Tighter rules for overseas drivers.

[Swoop]

From this mornings harold.

8.00am Thursday June 1, 2006


Rules tightening overseas driver licences come into effect today in a move to stop identity fraud and people avoiding demerit points by using two licences.

Overseas drivers with non-English licences must carry an English translation or an international driving permit, and overseas licences will be invalidated when New Zealand ones are issued.

Drivers will have to show their passport and original licence when a New Zealand one is issued in a move to stop identity fraud.





A possible improvement???

[Beemer]

It will only work for those who actually have a licence though!

[Ixion]

Nor will it stop Wei Lui Jing from presenting his Chinese licence (with translation), getting pinged 100 points, and then simply writing off back to china for a new licence in the name of Jing Wei Lui (and can any of you tell me with certainty what this person's "surname" would be ?). Complete with translation.

Rinse , lather , repeat.

I really really really hate to have to say it , but this problem won't go away until there is some reliable biometric identifer on the licence.

[sAsLEX]

there is some reliable biometric identifer on the licence.

Cause they all look the same in their pictures, is that what your trying to say Ixion?

[Ixion]

No, cos there is no way for a cop to know that Jing Wei Lui , whose licence he is inspecting, is in fact also Wei Lui Jing, who is forbidden to drive/disqualifed/etc. The licence issuing process in China appears, on reasonably reliable evidence, to be far from robust.

The pictures will be fine, Jing Wei Lui's picture will match him perfectly. As will Wei Lui Jing's. But there is no way to search the licence database for a photo match, and it would hardly be reliable even if it were.

reliance on photgraphs as a certain form of identification is vastly overrated.

[Motu]

Is Jing Wei Lui male or female? If male he might also be known as Vincent,or Tommy....if female she also might be Rose or Vivian.....Mind you,we've been dealing with multi interchangable named Samoan's for over 30 years.

Mohamad Mohamed is a puzzle though....

[sAsLEX]

Mohamad Mohamed is a puzzle though....

Is he allowed a picture on his license though?

[Ixion]

Only if he is wearing a bhurka.

[Motu]

Oh no! Sorry sorry sorry!!!!! I got his name wrong! Shit,talk about embaressing....

Should be Mohamed Mohamad.

[Marmoot]

I am tempted to say something about fingerprints in License as what we had in Asian countries, but then some Civil Libertarians in here might burn me on a stake for blasphemy........

[ManDownUnder]

I am tempted to say something about fingerprints in License as what we had in Asian countries, but then some Civil Libertarians in here might burn me on a stake for blasphemy........

LOL - dude they can have my fingerprints - nothing to hide so what do I care?
MDU

[Marmoot]

LOL - dude they can have my fingerprints - nothing to hide so what do I care?
MDU

hey, me too.

Unlike some people :shifty:

[ManDownUnder]

hey, me too.

Unlike some people :shifty:


But but but... you can't say that - you're not paranoid, you don't want to hide anything...

You're not from around here are you?????

LOL

:niceone:

[Drunken Monkey]

LOL - dude they can have my fingerprints - nothing to hide so what do I care?
MDU

Dude, because it's not what you will or won't do, but what someone else will do wiht your information. One hand its true that if you haven't anything to hide and won't do anything wrong, you have little to fear by having your personal details saved in a computer system somewhere, but you don't know what sort of mischeif people can get up to with your information if they get hold of it.

[Marmoot]

But but but... you can't say that - you're not paranoid, you don't want to hide anything...

You're not from around here are you?????

LOL

:niceone:

HAHAHAHAHA
I'm a overseas driver
:blah:

[ManDownUnder]

Dude, because it's not what you will or won't do, but what someone else will do wiht your information. One hand its true that if you haven't anything to hide and won't do anything wrong, you have little to fear by having your personal details saved in a computer system somewhere, but you don't know what sort of mischeif people can get up to with your information if they get hold of it.

So I should hide my number plate beacuse they can read it from space too? I'll stand up for what's mine - don;t worry about that. But the fact is they already have blood on file from every person born in NZ since 1950 or something (if not further back) and the most likely use of that information is to exclude me from wrong doing... so...

I know what you're saying but there's only so much paranoia to go round, so I gave mine away (that's a polite way of saying I don't give a shit)

[ManDownUnder]

HAHAHAHAHA
I'm a overseas driver
:blah:

Bastard - next you'll tell me you're paying tax AND contributing to society ???

Damn - how will I ever develop a decent prejudice ???

LMAO! :niceone: :niceone: :niceone:

[Fryin Finn]

Y'now they make profesional people with overseas qualifications sit the exams again here because our government donsen't trust their own country's qualification system. But all you need to do for a drivers license here is do a swap and go forth and kill. I guess figuring the road taxation system will pick them up in due course and add to the coffers before any damage done.:angry:

[Marmoot]

Bastard - next you'll tell me you're paying tax AND contributing to society ???

Damn - how will I ever develop a decent prejudice ???

LMAO! :niceone: :niceone: :niceone:

C'mon.....surely out of the few tens of thousands of me's there will be a few hundred bad apples. Should be enough to develop prejudice :blah:
Afterall.....we all look alike :nya:

[ManDownUnder]

C'mon.....surely out of the few tens of thousands of me's there will be a few hundred bad apples. Should be enough to develop prejudice :blah:
Afterall.....we all look alike :nya:

Thanks God for that - I didn't want to stand out from the masses

[Marmoot]

Thanks God for that - I didn't want to stand out from the masses

You are Unique.....just like everybody else.....

[Street Gerbil]

Are you saying they are gonna seize or destroy my US driving license once I get a local one??? Screw them, I NEED MY US LICENSE. What if I'd have to drive in the US, huh? Besides this sort of seizure of a valid driving license has to be unlawful.

[Matt]

Y'now they make profesional people with overseas qualifications sit the exams again here because our government donsen't trust their own country's qualification system. But all you need to do for a drivers license here is do a swap and go forth and kill. I guess figuring the road taxation system will pick them up in due course and add to the coffers before any damage done.:angry:

Don't forget the scratch & sniff test paper you have to sit before you get your NZ licence though! oh and the $150 odd "conversion charge"...

Matt

[Insanity_rules]

Are you saying they are gonna seize or destroy my US driving license once I get a local one??? Screw them, I NEED MY US LICENSE. What if I'd have to drive in the US, huh? Besides this sort of seizure of a valid driving license has to be unlawful.

Good point, what are they going to do with the other licence? I think that kinda sux. I got a Cook Island Licence and I love pulling out to use as ID. People always do a double take.

[gixermike]

so what I really need to do is

1) Contact licence registration in uk and say I lost my licence...pay for duplicate keep both
2) Sit multiple guess NZ road code test
3) Give up one licence copy
4) Use 2nd copy when back in uk/europe, or when stopped for speeding...

sounds good to me. ;-)

[IronicCapers]

to drive or ride on the road its not a right and the cunts that do the damage and im not picking on asians but from a general point of view frm a English sorta person who are the prodominant society in New Zealand we have trouble remembering, pronouncing and knowing what is a last name of asians wheter they be japanese, chinese, cambodians or even indians, russians and africans. Biometric details offer greater reliability to identify people for who they are. So what if your an underage tat cant get into a club because you cant fake an ID to get in. Id rather be feel safer because i know that people who are dangerous drivers/riders are no on the road

[Marmoot]

Russians are Asians.
Africans are not Asians. They are.....uh.....africans..........

[IronicCapers]

I wasnt goruping them as asians i was just using nationalities that have differant languages and consequently names

[popelli]

Id rather be feel safer because i know that people who are dangerous drivers/riders are no on the road


True the driving standards of some ethnic minorities (who prior to the photo licences used to employ family licences that resided in the glove box for any member of the family to use) are well below what is expected but it is too easy to blame overseas people for what is essentially a NZ problem

The problem is generally the standard of driving overall in NZ is very very poor

Why blame other people when your own house is not in order.

As for not wanting to accepting overseas licences, it does work both ways, I have been able to use my NZ licence and travel around the US and Europe on it, hell if I had had to resit a test in those countries I would not have been amused.

[IronicCapers]

That is true im not essentially blaming overseas people but highlighting the culture barrier that can be exploited.

The solution can be taken a step forward with biometrics with a world wide database available.

We have some fairly good legislation but to be honest its the attitude on the road that will make the changes

[Street Gerbil]

The solution can be taken a step forward with biometrics with a world wide database available.
You mean kinda big brother watches for you everywhere sort of thing?

:nono:

[IronicCapers]

You mean kinda big brother watches for you everywhere sort of thing?

:nono:

Thats overrated in exaggerated point of arguement. Its a way for officers to know who there dealing with. It doesnt have to be made loggable entries but it could eventuate to that if the need arises. Its another tool against terrorists and criminals

[Lou Girardin]

Thats overrated in exaggerated point of arguement. Its a way for officers to know who there dealing with. It doesnt have to be made loggable entries but it could eventuate to that if the need arises. Its another tool against terrorists and criminals

Extremely valuable for NZ then?

[Macktheknife]

Extremely valuable for NZ then?
Dont you know we are the largest depository of terrorists/fundamentalists/other assorted nutters in the known world? Iran, Syria, all those other places are just our regional representatives. NZ rules as the terrorist breeding centre of the universe!

OK so there is no actual evidence of that but it doesnt mean it isnt true.

Me, I still say that until digital data storage becomes about 1000 times more secure than it is, it is too risky to have this kind of information in a database for ANY reason.

[IronicCapers]

Dont you know we are the largest depository of terrorists/fundamentalists/other assorted nutters in the known world? Iran, Syria, all those other places are just our regional representatives. NZ rules as the terrorist breeding centre of the universe!

OK so there is no actual evidence of that but it doesnt mean it isnt true.

Me, I still say that until digital data storage becomes about 1000 times more secure than it is, it is too risky to have this kind of information in a database for ANY reason.

LOL where there are computers there are hackers. Its possible to create a new internet system that is separate from the public systems.

Unfortunatly computer security has never changed. If you want secure databases you have to have longer codes. But what person wants to continuesly put in 128bit codes in(very long and no pattern).
e.g. wer1r2!*&^*&%%#jhgJGYYg18127@@&*1 (plz note only part of the code)

Imagine putting that in. It can never be totally secure. But there are ways to make it harder. Although there are computer geniuses that can do anything they put their minds to.

[mstriumph]

.............................
reliance on photgraphs as a certain form of identification is vastly overrated.

microchip 'em mebbe?

barcode tatooed on forehead?

eartag?

wat?

[scracha]

LOL where there are computers there are hackers. Its possible to create a new internet system that is separate from the public systems.

Ala Google?



Unfortunatly computer security has never changed. If you want secure databases you have to have longer codes. But what person wants to continuesly put in 128bit codes in(very long and no pattern).
e.g. wer1r2!*&^*&%%#jhgJGYYg18127@@&*1 (plz note only part of the code)
Course it's changed? That's not how encryption works anyway. You can put in a 10 letter password and it normally gets encrypted via a one way hashing function into a "long" code before being stored. For example, a MySQL password hash is 41 bytes long but you don't type in a 41 letter password.

Most security flaws are through user stupidity, phishing or having physical access to a machine than the "hackers" who cause buffer overflows or sit cracking passwords over the Internet myth.

[scracha]

so what I really need to do is

1) Contact licence registration in uk and say I lost my licence...pay for duplicate keep both
2) Sit multiple guess NZ road code test
3) Give up one licence copy
4) Use 2nd copy when back in uk/europe, or when stopped for speeding...
sounds good to me. ;-)
Lol, I've already got 2 UK licences.

Also the NZQA point is spot on. 4 year UK hons degree + 1 year postgrad + 9 years commercial experience = 3 year ordinary kiwi degree ? I don't think so. Fuckers. Government paying lip service to skills shortage and wondering why peeps are p!ssing off to Australia?

Still to sit the scratch and sniff tests (don't forget you get to sit one for the car and bike).

I think the flaw with this is that the fascists contact the DVLA back in the UK so policeman plod will throw the book at you when you whip out your old license. Also, if you look closely there is an issue number on your license.

Better plan is to get kiwi citizenship, re-enter the UK on your kiwi passport. When plod stops you for doing 110mph on the A1 then apologise and say that you're a kiwi and got a bit confused between the MPH and KMPH thing. Policeman plod will wave you off due to it being too much hassle to deal with johnny bloody foreigner.

[IronicCapers]

Yes your quite right but i was merely stating the fact that it can become very complicated to ensure privacy. Imagine that there is a separate system that has its own devices but the fail safe to ensure that the devices that have the special ability to logon onto the system are stolen then the device must be activated with a biometric eye/print scan along with a code of equal power to ensure a solid protection. Then the actual construction of the device that it can be made to order and the clearances the devices are given can be brought and sold by corrupted peoples and or software.

Basically what im saying is that security is only as good as the people that moniter, regulate, create and use the system.

How do you make an impartial moderator that is able to stick to the lines without being corrupted or bribed?
Anything is able to be broken you just have to find the weakest link to exploit the system.

[scracha]

Basically what im saying is that security is only as good as the people that moniter, regulate, create and use the system.
Spot on, basically we're saying the same thing. I really don't understand the peeps with their heads in the clouds going "I've got nothing to hide" who are quite happy to hand over fingerprints, DNA, retina scans, credit card numbers, etc. Identity theft is ridiculously easy and all these "centralised" databases will only make it easier.

http://www.theregister.com/2006/06/01/ey_hotels_laptop/
The above is just typical.

[Lou Girardin]

Dont you know we are the largest depository of terrorists/fundamentalists/other assorted nutters in the known world? Iran, Syria, all those other places are just our regional representatives. NZ rules as the terrorist breeding centre of the universe!

OK so there is no actual evidence of that but it doesnt mean it isnt true.


Like George Dubya's WMD?:laugh:
All we breed are beneficiaries. But admittedly they do terrorise my pay packet.

[mstriumph]

Lol, I've already got 2 UK licences...................................... Policeman plod will wave you off due to it being too much hassle to deal with johnny bloody foreigner.

having two passports is also sooooo useful
:innocent: let's see now, which nationality am i TODAY??

[Sniper]

having two passports is also sooooo useful
:innocent: let's see now, which nationality am i TODAY??

Even better when you have 5 :innocent: