Thinking about a Hyosung 250R? [Archive]

BADMAS

11th July 2006, 18:04

A piece of friendly advice guys.. if you decide to buy one make damn sure you have a good insurance company.

After over 6 months of flawless riding, my brand new '06 250R it finally made love with the cold cement. I wish I had a heroic story to tell about how I was fighting lions and wolverines and they ate the wheel off and knocked me down.. but it happened in a rainy open roof parking lot because I was being an idiot.

Must have been going 10-15kmph on impact and if you had a zxr or cbr you're probably thinking "why didnt you just pick it up and ride home?" well.. the handlebar broke clean off. Inside the was some sort of hybrid cheese/ polysterene looking substance covered by a thin layer of metallic paint.

Took it into the bike shop.. whats the damage? $8660.00 why? the entire chassis needs to be replaced as the handlebar/chassis is one piece

Price of a new one? $6990.00 inc orc

Gutted.

Mr. Peanut

11th July 2006, 18:09

Woah easy there...
Doesn't sound right to me.

Do you mean to say the front of the chassis broke off?

Have you tried taking it in to an engineering shop/chassis expert? :gob:

The_Dover

11th July 2006, 18:11

How the fuck can the handle bar and chassis be in one piece?

The fucking steering wouldn't work??

BADMAS

11th July 2006, 18:15

I thought it was a fucking joke too..

Havnt taken it anywhere else yet but I'll get a few more opinions this week

Heres what it looks like:

justsomeguy

11th July 2006, 18:15

Welcome to KB.

Sorry to hear about this........

Keep us informed how the swindlers *cough* I mean insurance companies treat you.

Your story seems to reiterate a lot of others about Hyosungs.

I hope you think of getting a CBR250RR next or if you can find a mint one (very important that "mint"bit) a ZXR250 instead. If you have to have new then get a VTR250. Keystone19 can teach you how to keep up with 600's on it if that's how you like to ride.

Mr. Peanut

11th July 2006, 18:17

I always thought those frames looked flimsy.

I don't think he means just the bars, sounds like the front end snapped off.
How can a frame cost 6999?

justsomeguy

11th July 2006, 18:17

I thought it was a fucking joke too..

Havnt taken it anywhere else yet but I'll get a few more opinions this week

Heres what it looks like:

:gob: -- that from a 10-15kmph impact???

Swanny I hope you're selling yours now matey.

poorbastard

11th July 2006, 18:18

I dont see how the handle bars could cost that much. But by the looks of the photo Im sure you could get hanlde bars off something else and put them on.

Welcome to the site as well

krad_nz

11th July 2006, 18:20

:gob:.....................

justsomeguy

11th July 2006, 18:23

I dont see how the handle bars could cost that much. But by the looks of the photo Im sure you could get hanlde bars off something else and put them on.

Welcome to the site as well

I'm guessing that was for an insurance quote -

New handlebars - $$$$$
Either new fairings or a new full bike respray -$$$$$$
New footpegs - $$$$$
Etc, etc.......

It all adds up, especially if each piece is purchased at the full retail price.

However seeing it fall apart at such low speeds - would you really like to own one again especially when you will do ten times the speed - 100+Kmph on it??

The_Dover

11th July 2006, 18:23

If that's just the clip on that has broken then you can just replace it.

Unless the frame is damaged then that clip on is attached to fuck all else other than the fork tube.

Ask swampy, she'll tell you.

GR81

11th July 2006, 18:28

nothing a hot glue gun cant fix :)

skidMark

11th July 2006, 18:36

i think hyobag dealer is on the drugs...the handlebar snaps off so he says you need a new frame.....somebody needs to put the moron in a rubber room

with swanny :D

Buddy L

11th July 2006, 18:43

just buy a new handle bar mounting bracket thingy, put it on yourself shouldn't take you more then half an hour. and a new wing mirror.
unless it was a 10kph slide down a flights of steers and back up again. then it shouldn't cost more then $150 to fix

SwanTiger

11th July 2006, 18:57

Judging from the picture provided it only looks comestically damaged, the handle bar's are clip-ons and can easly be removed with the right tool, and replaced.

I did notice a couple of dents in the upper frame tube running under the tank. This would suggest that all 155kg of the bike (dry) landed on a solid object or there is more to the "collision" than has been said so far.

Can you elaborate on what happened and how you think the damage was caused?

The quoted damage and price of repair doesn't sound right to me, but you haven't told us all the variables, other than you didn't have insurance and acting like an idiot.

SwanTiger

11th July 2006, 18:59

:gob: -- that from a 10-15kmph impact???

Swanny I hope you're selling yours now matey.

I will be upgrading when the time is right.

I think there is more to the story than the fella is telling us, he did say he was being an idiot so it leaves a lot to be said.

You can do a lot of damage to ANY bike when doing stupid things with it.

The_Dover

11th July 2006, 19:02

However seeing it fall apart at such low speeds - would you really like to own one again especially when you will do ten times the speed - 100+Kmph on it??

hey, if these things can carry swampy's lard ass around the country then they ain't that weak

Maha

11th July 2006, 19:13

nothing a hot glue gun cant fix :)
The Koreans do use hot glue, they found it more economic and a tad stronger than the blue-tac they used on the earlier models........:yes:

GR81

11th July 2006, 19:17

The Koreans do use hot glue, they found it more economic and a tad stronger than the blue-tac they used on the earlier models........:yes:cable ties are a great alternative! :D

BarBender

11th July 2006, 20:01

Took it into the bike shop.. whats the damage? $8660.00 why? the entire chassis needs to be replaced as the handlebar/chassis is one piece

Price of a new one? $6990.00 inc orc

Gutted.

Welcome to the site.

Looks like you've got tank damage along with dents in the upper frame.
What really happened?

BADMAS

11th July 2006, 20:14

Yeah thanks for the welcomes guys, I'll should elaborate a little on how the milk went sour..

It was raining and I was leaving the parking lot (slippery top floor surface) and instead of cruising out of there with a gentle hand on the throttle I opened up (because it looked like fun at the time).

Only got to around 30kmph before the rear wheel lost traction and I slid out.. when the bike fell on its side I was down to around 10kmph and even then I managed to soften its fall by sticking my leg out before rolling out the way.

The damage: handlebar broke, front mirror came off, small dent in the tank and some scratches on the fairings.

I do have insurance so I cant cry too much ($1500 excess tho) but I'm just pissed at how much damage a small drop can cause to this bike. Handlebars just arent supposed to break off like that its ridiculous

Craig11

11th July 2006, 20:20

Handlebars just arent supposed to break off like that its ridiculous
Yes it is ridiculous, But don't worry for 5000 you will get a nice Zxr or Cbr, Faster, Stronger and cheaper to fix :).

SwanTiger

11th July 2006, 20:25

avgas

11th July 2006, 20:25

I'm just pissed at how much damage a small drop can cause to this bike.
Ive said it before, and ill say it again. Fairings cost money.

Sketchy_Racer

11th July 2006, 20:29

Meh...

Thats teh second "write off" Hyobag that i have heard of.

Just repalce your clipon with a custom made one from the engineers and live with the scratches and small dent in the tank

BADMAS

11th July 2006, 20:34

What happens to your arm if you fall off a roof and put it out straight to reduce the effect of your fall? - It's going to break under that pressure!

Consider the same with your clip on handle bar, they are designed in such a way to snap or fold (depending on variables).

I'm curious to know how the frame was damaged.

Were you seriously quoted over $8,000 for a replacement frame?

The handlebar wasn't alloy like practically any Jap/Euro bike, its some sort of faux cement material. I'm concerned about how you guys say they're clipon and easily fixable when the mechanic at the largest bike dealership in Auck says its not possible to fix without swapping out the entire chassis.

The $8k quote included $3.6k for a new chassis and the rest was comprised of misc parts and 16+ hours of labour

I would have gone with a zxr but finding one that hasn't suffered child abuse is pretty damn hard these days

hellnback

11th July 2006, 20:46

So you go out and buy a new bike, do a wheelie, drop it, write it off... That's fucking classic!!

Seriously though, how can a broken handlebar, a few dints, and a bruised ego possibly write off a bike, come on man, you've got to be kidding!!

SwanTiger

11th July 2006, 21:16

I have a 2006 model GT 250R, it has adjustable clip-on handle bars, you remove them using an allen key type tool.

Which is why I find it hard to understand how a handle bar breaking, along with the chassis (frame) becomming damaged is the result of a slow speed drop.

Which dealer did you take it to?

Sounds like tough luck dude, good to hear you have insurance.

madboy

11th July 2006, 21:49

I dropped my Kawasaki at maybe 30-40k, lowside after excessive throttle usage. It's Japanese, prob worth $15k+ new and made of the same sort of "high quality" materials as every other Jap sportsbike out there. I broke my factory standard clip on. And I'm glad I broke my clip on. Faced with a clip on breaking or the force being transferred onto the much more expensive forks or frame, I'll take $200 for a new clip on anyday.

I've also seen a Suzuki go down at 160k, then spin round and round and round and round... as it slowly slid to a stop quite a distance down the motorway. The rider got up, put his shoe back on, jumped on the bike and took off. Even managed to pull a wheelie in the process.

It's not about the speed, it's about how you do it.

From the picture it looks like there's a dent in the frame in line with the tank dent. Maybe it's the picture. If that is a dent, then I can understand why it's rooted.

Ixion

11th July 2006, 22:10

That's my read,too. I can see (I'm fairly sure I can) a dent in the frame box section member just by the tank dent.

I imagine those frames are hollow? Box section. It's come down hard on something angular, and pushed the box wall in a bit.

Whether that actually matters from a functional point if view is maybe debateable. The frame could still be straight and true even with the dent. But, regardless, no bike shop could afford to ignore it when doing an insurance assessment. Frame damaged, so, new frame.

The clip on is almost irrelevant. Like the indicator. I suspect the "concrete" will be some sort of vibration damping material. Make the bar heavier, less vibes. The clipon has snapped, as they do.But that's not what is costing the money.

Freak thing I reckon, just came down on exactly the wrong angle across something sharp (curb ,maybe?). If it weren't insured, maybe you could ignore it, but the insurance company can't.

diggydog

11th July 2006, 22:22

I thought it was a fucking joke too..

Havnt taken it anywhere else yet but I'll get a few more opinions this week

Heres what it looks like:
What a fucking joke alright, how can one justify that much money you could buy a good second hand bike with that kinder money.we know it's a new but even if it was about one third the price would be alot better,stupid,stupid,:gob: :gob:

SwanTiger

11th July 2006, 22:26

I think we've established that the reason for the exspensive frame replacement is clearly because of the way the bike was dropped.

It has nothing to do with the build quality or design of the Hyosung GT 250R.

EroSamnin

11th July 2006, 23:31

BADMAS

12th July 2006, 00:37

Hyofun rule imo. I have an awesome yellow one. I hope I don't have to do a material quality test on it any time soon.

I (like most ppl who have one) have read tonnes of forums and info on hyofuns (as you should before you buy something) and this is the first time I have read about a clip on breaking, or actually anything breaking off (except the usual mirrors, fairings, blinkers etc).

They should just write it off and give you a new yellow one.

Yeah looks that way - I may end up getting another new red one, cashing it in and buying a zxr. But it won't be yellow because everyone knows red bikes go faster

I'll have another chat with monkey wrench at the dealership tomorrow and let you guys know. If I had the money right now for rebuilds and maintenance I'd say fuck it and buy a 2 stroker.. sad state our 4 stroke 250's are in right now with only 10+ yr old cbr/zxr's floating around. Thats pretty much why I went for the shiney new hyosung anyway

Scouse

12th July 2006, 11:46

Who was the bike shop

limbimtimwim

12th July 2006, 12:46

hey, if these things can carry swampy's lard ass around the country then they ain't that weakNo. They are. He's probably just some sort of Tardis like being.

placidfemme

12th July 2006, 13:30

Firstly that doesn't say much for the quality of those bikes... drop it at low speed and the handlebar breaks off... I've been into wreckers and bike shops and some of those bikes in there look like they hit a brick wall at 200kph then got run over by about 10 trucks, and I've still never seen one with a snapped off handlebar...

Replacement part costing more than the actual bike... I think that bike shop that quoted you is full of shit....

N4CR

12th July 2006, 13:42

I would have gone with a zxr but finding one that hasn't suffered child abuse is pretty damn hard these days

All of the 250 4's have been thrashed, they are 2nd hand. What makes the difference is how they have been looked after not what they look like. My bike has been thrashed pretty bad in the weekends every now and then (by me) but has had all mechanical stuff done to it possible to keep it running properly etc. Tuning, valve clearances and camchain, almost noone does valve clearances on these things but I did it as a precaution. This thing has a quite a few times done some expensive $1.50 to $1.90 runs and it's still running strong, 50,000k later... Sucked alot of gas.

I have actually lost count of how many times it has been dropped/lowsided, still ain't broken the handlebars (which are scraped to hell), says something about either the quality of hyosungs or HOW it was dropped... weird.

So yeah, any 250 can look good or be used but well looked after. Check my profile pic.. that's what the bike looks like now (minus rear fairings) and check the link to bikepics for what it used to and will look like again in 1-2 months time. Talk to the seller of your future IL4 250 if you get one and see reciepts and proof of work done on them, I kept all of mine just to show a potential buyer if I ever sell it. Don't get put off by high kms.. seen these things go around the clock and still running same as a 16k bike..

Worked hard but looked after... nuff said. So don't go knocking all the old 250 4's so soon ;)

MidnightMike

12th July 2006, 13:44

Damn, i was considering getting a hyosung later this year, so much for that idea i prefer bikes with handlebars that stay on, firmly. :bye:

Sketchy_Racer

13th July 2006, 15:04

mike,

dont fall off and the handle bars wont either :yes:

Coyote

13th July 2006, 15:18

I do have insurance so I cant cry too much ($1500 excess tho) but I'm just pissed at how much damage a small drop can cause to this bike. Handlebars just arent supposed to break off like that its ridiculous
Get a motard. They're a bit more solid and don't have costly fairings

I should take my own advice and get one myself

motoGP

14th July 2006, 18:44

Tough luck about the crash. They're heavy bikes, the clip-on must have "broken it's fall". Still think that the repair costs are really high. I had an off recently and was charged $580 all up, and that was with a service! :gob: What bike shop are you dealing with?

Hope all works out for you, keep us posted on events.

rookie

15th July 2006, 00:32

Damn, i was considering getting a hyosung later this year, so much for that idea i prefer bikes with handlebars that stay on, firmly. :bye:

yea ive been trying for ages to get a mate to jump into the bike scene...the hyosung was the only thing he was considering...now what....i know...a zxr :rockon:

sAsLEX

15th July 2006, 07:53

..now what....i know...a zxr :rockon:
pffftttt

<img src=http://saslex.orcon.net.nz/CBR250RR.jpg>

Grahameeboy

15th July 2006, 08:03

Sorry I think I missed the point you were making Sir Alex:nya:

rookie

15th July 2006, 17:29

pffftttt

:laugh: nice effort

having such a large pic kinda killed it though - but point noted.

problem with the cbr's is that they dont feel as big...my mate aint the smallest...anyways wat money you after?

limbimtimwim

15th July 2006, 17:33

Sorry I think I missed the point you were making Sir Alex:nya:I think he was saying "Move to the Naki, the weather is fine and the mountain is cone shaped".

Could be wrong though.

rookie

15th July 2006, 17:34

Sorry I think I missed the point you were making Sir Alex:nya:

yea i blinked and glanced away....wat am i saying?!?!?!...with a pic that big you could be looking in the opposite direction and you'd still manage to see it

geez :blink:

BADMAS

17th July 2006, 14:51

I had a chat with the mechanics and they told me the high quote was for insurance reasons. They have to replace every damaged part instead of fixing it, otherwise if something goes wrong again with that part the insurance company won't pay out again.

Still not worth fixing though so I'm going to wait for the insurance assessors to give me the go ahead for a new bike.. they'll give me a new bike with the same market value ($7000)

I'd love to just go out and buy an RS250 or NSR right now but realistically I may end up ordering another hyosung 250R until I get my full license

BADMAS

17th July 2006, 14:53

Nice CBR there Alex.. too bad they're a little small for me. I went and sat on one at the dealers and felt like a gorilla on a circus bike.. and I'm only 6" 80kg

Renegade

7th August 2006, 20:20

It was just a freak ocurance the way the bike landed, dont be put off Hyosungs because of it, i got high sided by a cager at about 30kph, i went flying and the bike hit the ground hard, slid for a bit, spun for a bit, i picked it up minus a brake lever, foot peg, indicator, rode that baby home, albeit coughing and spluttering a bit i thought she came off ok considering.
The bike shop said a new fairing for it was only going to be $250 and that they were real suprised, they had no trouble accessing parts for these bikes either which is good news for a learner rider.

SwanTiger

8th August 2006, 00:03

Here is a perfect example of how good these bikes are when it comes down to the build quality. I will not deny that mistakes have been made in various areas, but they are easily identified mistakes and will be refined in time to reach the mythical level of perfection.

And what's this I hear of GSX-R frames snapping in half without cause?

Source: http://korider.com/forum/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1486

Last night I was nearly killed!
I was heading into work at the hospital when this MORON ran a traffic light
and hit me full-bore on the right side.

I was thrown into a parked construction crane and my bike landed on top of me.

Witnesses saw the whole of the event, but were not able to get a tag number.

My cycle needs to be completely rebuilt! (surprisingly the 250 frame is STRONG AS HELL!!!!!!! )

I also need to be rebuilt...

Fractured right femural head
Cracked right femur
Broken right rotator cuff
Broken left radius
Multiple cuts and abrasions
Strained and Sprained muscles (cervicle and lumbar spine, as well as hip flexor)

Luckily I always wear a full kangaroo suit and complete battle gear.
(still... I'm typing this from a recovery bed in my own hospital.)

Kind of ironic: Me being an E.R. Tech, who usually fixes broken bikers, looking at my own nurses from a back-brace.

Oh well

Pain meds are starting to kick in so; I'll close by saying:
DUDE THIS MEDICINE ROCKS!

R6_kid

8th August 2006, 09:50

BADMAS.... lesson learned man. If you do low speed damage then dont report it because you will get shafted by insurance.

By bike has been in the bush's twice and hit the ground at 50kmh once. Just pay for it out of your own pocket. My bet would be that if you had just gone and bought the parts you probably wouldnt have gone over your excess and wouldnt be getting stuffed around by the insurance company or the bike shop (red baron?)

Jsn

13th August 2006, 20:02

My opinion is still firmly that the build quality on these is shocking.. had to cabletie the chainguard on today because *ANOTHER* bolt came off.. thats three so far. Never had that problem with the jap bikes I've owned.
Good value for money tho if you were just commuting.. still not enough power for open road riding really.. I've had mine de-baffled and de-restricted and I almost got sassed by a 150 today :gob: