Wharewaka, big man while he holds a pistol - really a wanker?

[scumdog]

Just saw the above toss-pot on TV - got 18 months for verbally and physically abusing his mrs while waving a pistol around.

On top of his present sentences it means he serves ONE more month in prison.:gob:

Why do we do the hard yards when the judges just say 'naughty boy' and give em a slap with a not so wet bus ticket?????

What would happen to me if I was found with the pistol?:angry:

Graaarghh!

Sorry, rant over, retreats to normal quiet self.

[yungatart]

Noit only that, he did it all in front of the kids, who were so obviously used to it that they never even batted their eyelids.. should have added "corrupting
the morals of minors" not to mention emotional abuse of said kids to his list of charges. Not that that would make a blind bit of difference tho..
Too sad, how some people live.

[Colapop]

It's because the poor dears have rights. We as a civilised society cannot stoop to their level and punish them in the way or with the severity that they have offended because that would be 'unjust'. Yet the crims can. WTF is wrong with this picture??!!?? They have no problem behaving that way because we (the "civilised") will not stoop to their level. Fuck them. Fuck them up good.

Back to my bourbon

[scumdog]

Noit only that, he did it all in front of the kids, who were so obviously used to it that they never even batted their eyelids.. should have added "corrupting
Too sad, how some people live.

No, the kids went into a certain mental state (help me out here people) that causes them to ignore thier surroundings - that way they are not part of it and hopefully it will have nothing to do with them.

Sort of the same way a mountain sheep will keep grazing while another of their herd is attacked by a cougar nearby.

It's NOT that they think it is normal - well not yet anyway.

[Maha]

And he was wearing a blue bandanna (black power sig) on his wrist...:tugger:
Judge should have told him to fuckin' remove that......

[Jantar]

I saw that on the news as well, and was absolutely shocked at the light punishment. Just as well he wasn't caught DUI.

Sometimes I wonder just how our judiciary prioritise the sentencing.

[yungatart]

No, the kids went into a certain mental state ....


Only because they have witnessed it on numerous occasions in the past, if it was the first time they had seen that they would have been cowering in the corner or trying to help that poor woman

[Karma]

SHOCKING NEWS!!!

Someone does something bad, gets given small sentance...







Anyone got a tui?

[Skyryder]

Someone needs to kid:zzzz: a judge. Then they might take their job a bit more seriously.

Skyryder

[98tls]

Every time i watch the news or read a paper i am more convinced that this country is going down the fucken gurgler....the murders rapes bent coppers and politicians the constant bitching by the so called native new zealanders and subsequent mary fucking poppins attitude the government has towards them.....the bullshit justice system that promises everything and delivers nothing.....:innocent: anyway rant over,thank god you can get on your bike and ride over the arthurs pass etc..do that and you tend to forget all the rest of the bullshit.

[Skyryder]

Sometimes I wonder just how our judiciary prioritise the sentencing.

Short sentance short sentance report..................more golf time. Anyone know if I am right.

Skyryder

[sAsLEX]

You mean to say sentances can be done all at the same time/consecutivaly?

Surely you commit three crimes worth a year in Jail your in there for 3 years not just one??

[scumdog]

And he was wearing a blue bandanna (black power sig) on his wrist...:tugger:
Judge should have told him to fuckin' remove that......

In Capitol City tonight, sign on Watchouse wall says: NO prisoners will be forwarded clothing that is red&black, blue&white, camouflaged, leather patched, no gang insignia, no patches etc

Sounds like good 'ol redneck attitude to wankers who cannot survive alone and without intimidation to suppert them. Pussiy pricks the lot of them.

Baclk to my duty free wiskey.

[scumdog]

You mean to say sentances can be done all at the same time/consecutivaly?

Surely you commit three crimes worth a year in Jail your in there for 3 years not just one??

WotchootalkinaboutWillis??
You trolling, naive or what??
Shit man, you can be covicted for 6 offences, get six one year terms - and serve ONE year in prison!!!

Go figure!!

Unless the Judge says the dreaded words "Consecutively" - then it IS 6 years.

[sAsLEX]

You naive ??


How could expecting appropriate punishment for crimes be naive?? oh thats right labour govt.......


But you anwered my q. Though it does seems a bit piss poor that the judges aint mentioning those words a bit more, seems you may as well go on a spree of crimes (unless your white as they will throw the book at you!) and have some fun, you aint going to serve more time for the more shit you cause!

[Winston001]

You mean to say sentances can be done all at the same time/consecutivaly?

Surely you commit three crimes worth a year in Jail your in there for 3 years not just one??

Oh no no no. Sentences are normally concurrent which means they all run alongside each other. Ten lots of 3 years is still only 3 years maximum. Probably out in 22 months.

In this scumbuckets case, he was sentenced to 18 months from today. But since he is already in prison for the pistol (and whatever else), it seems that he'll actually be released in a month. Not sure why and the judge might have been unaware of that.

Cumulative sentences which follow on ie. 3 years, then another 3 years, then another 18 months etc are rare. They do happen, but three burglaries could mean being in prison longer than for manslaughter.

[Swoop]

Unfortunately judges live on the moon and only beam down to do a hard 2 hours work, on infrequent days...:doobey:

[oldrider]

Judges and many of the lawyers are really playing a big part in shagging this country up. (Helen gives them permission of course)
Generalisation I know but very close to fact IMHO. :yes: John.

[APPLE]

That furrywakka''fella probaly enjoys it in prison,i heard the other day those new prisons hav underfloor heating???WTF:gob: :gob: :gob:

[Edbear]

Only because they have witnessed it on numerous occasions in the past, if it was the first time they had seen that they would have been cowering in the corner or trying to help that poor woman



Not necessarily. They'd be clobbered if they made so much as a peep. He's too big, too strong and too intimidating when you are so much weaker. Shame and fear stops you from telling anyone, too. He certainly didn't look too worried or remorseful. I hope Victim Support can get (and keep) his family safe, though his wife may choose to go back to him. Another thread begun by Kitty, addressed the complex psychological issues of family violence.

[Indiana_Jones]

Welcome to Helengrad.

-Indy

[Jamezo]

Judges and many of the lawyers are really playing a big part in shagging this country up. (Helen gives them permission of course)
Generalisation I know but very close to fact IMHO. :yes: John.
Your understanding of the NZ legal and executive system is worse than Helen Clark's teeth. I doubt you'd know a 'fact' if it bit you.

[Colapop]

That furrywakka''fella probaly enjoys it in prison,i heard the other day those new prisons hav underfloor heating???WTF:gob: :gob: :gob:
Hell yeah - you wanna see some of the shit we had to design into the northern Women's prison. After you've seen the design specs (required design specs as defined by govt.) then you understand why it costs so much to keep them in the lap of luxury - oops I mean prison.

[Lias]

Helen clark and her merry band of communists are destroying our country with limpwristed sentencing, and it wont change till a decent far right party gets into power. National is entirely too centre of right to do what needs to be done, but sadly they are what passes for a major right wing party these days.

I say we use some old DNA to clone Maggie Thatcher & Rob Muldoon, harvest the sperm and eggs, and grow us some politicians with balls.

[Winston001]

Judges and many of the lawyers are really playing a big part in shagging this country up. (Helen gives them permission of course)
Generalisation I know but very close to fact IMHO. :yes: John.

Your opinion is understandable and shared by many other people. The problem is that the news media only report a slice of the total information in any court case. That's fair enough, otherwise the papers would be full of case reports which no-one would read.

But reporters are under pressure today to spice up their writing. They are told to find an angle, to beat up a story. This leads to biased reporting with inconvienient facts being glossed over in favour of a dramatic tale.

As for judges and lawyers (and police and social workers) these people have a better view of the abysmal dregs of society than the rest of us. They see them everyday.

I seriously suggest that all of you find time to sit through a District Court list day to see what has to be dealt with. Best show in town - both sad and entertaining.

[Goblin]

Sometimes I wonder just how our judiciary prioritise the sentencing.
All depends if the judge got laid the night before.

[Edbear]

But reporters are under pressure today to spice up their writing. They are told to find an angle, to beat up a story. This leads to biased reporting with inconvienient facts being glossed over in favour of a dramatic tale.



:gob: And I thought they were only concerned with presenting the unbiased facts for the public edification! (Tui moment...):innocent:

[Wolf]

Helen clark and her merry band of communists are destroying our country with limpwristed sentencing, and it wont change till a decent far right party gets into power. National is entirely too centre of right to do what needs to be done, but sadly they are what passes for a major right wing party these days.

I say we use some old DNA to clone Maggie Thatcher & Rob Muldoon, harvest the sperm and eggs, and grow us some politicians with balls.
Utter fucking bollocks, old mate - we had limp-wristed sentencing while Muldoon was in power - and before that, too. Through all govts, National and Labour - judges have let killers off with fuck all over and over.

To blame the current govt for the fact that most the judges in this country are on the crims' side is ridiculous.

We have maximum sentences that are quite high in some cases (some could do with being made higher) there is the possibility of consecutive sentences and even preventative imprisonment. It is not the government's fault - either Helen's or Muldoon's (as much as I'd like to blame the moronic troglodyte for all the ills of the world) - that most the judges here lack the resolve to pass the maximum. We could get a National government in next week, we'd still have the same mentally weak retarded old fart judges on the benches passing the same milk-and-water sentences.

What do you want the govt to do about it? Increase the minimum sentence? Do that you'd find a lot more suspended sentences. "You killed him whilst you were drunk so I'm sentencing you to the minimum of 15 years - however, since you've never killed anyone the last six times you were drunk and caused an accident, I'll suspend the sentence..."

Sack all the judges except the one down south that made that drunk sell his house, put them in prison for theft (they have been accepting vast amounts of money to do a job that we can demonstrate they have not done so that's legally theft) and replace them with more judges who are prepared to give out proper sentences.

[oldrider]

Your understanding of the NZ legal and executive system is worse than Helen Clark's teeth. I doubt you'd know a 'fact' if it bit you.
Jeez Jamezo you must be a real nasty little fucker, you always seem to be spoiling for a fight. Thats a "fact".
Be nice for fucks sake, this is a friendly forum. You are right about Helen's teeth though. :nya: John.

[oldrider]

I seriously suggest that all of you find time to sit through a District Court list day to see what has to be dealt with. Best show in town - both sad and entertaining.
Unfortunately as a young fellow I had more than my share of opportunities to do this but I think it would have been very tame compared to today.
I have no intentions of ever going back for a refresher course as a participant. :innocent: John.

[Ixion]

Jeez Jamezo you must be a real nasty little fucker, you always seem to be spoiling for a fight. Thats a "fact".
Be nice for fucks sake, this is a friendly forum. You are right about Helen's teeth though. :nya: John.

He's a Communist. Yes, we always are.

[oldrider]

He's a Communist. Yes, we always are.
I surrender, outnumbered two to one, besides I am feeling really "cool" at the moment.
We went for a ride in the (natural) refrigerator today. (Wanaka and back, brrrrrhh).Enjoyed it though. :yes: John.

[Winston001]

Otematata to Wanaka and back? Lovely ride. But I don't envy you the cold. Good on you.

[Winston001]

Sack all the judges except the one down south that made that drunk sell his house, put them in prison for theft (they have been accepting vast amounts of money to do a job that we can demonstrate they have not done so that's legally theft) and replace them with more judges who are prepared to give out proper sentences.

I know, I know, that seems like the obvious answer. Stiffer sentences, build more prisons, lock the mad and the bad up.

The Americans do it already. We actually stack up well on the imprisonment ladder but they are still ahead of us. And you'll notice that the USA is a wonderful land as a result. Cos when they put people in prison, they really mean it. Sentences of 50 - 200 years sometimes. No more need for locked doors, peace and love at every intersection. No random violence, murder, drugs etc.

Yeah right!

I don't know what the answer is but it isn't simple.

[boomer]

.... blah blah .. rant .. rant...
Sorry, rant over, retreats to normal quiet self.

Bringing work home with you Sumdog...!!! Before i know it, i'll be getting another taxing on teh highways to pay for your O/T!!!!!

"Let them eat cake" i say

[Lou Girardin]

That family goes back at least three generations of producing scum.
It's a shame the gyno didn't slip in a shot of depo provera at the first birth.
But they probably didn't use a gyno, just foaled while an ad break was on then back to the booze.