Random act of violence

[metric]

yep, was a victim of a random act of violence last night standing on queen st

had been out until about 4.30am, when I walked out of a club to catch a taxi home... and saw a group of polynesian guys standing around watching one guy giving another fella a hard time on queen st

it looked like he was going to smack him, so, as you do, I watched and waited... probably not the best option in retrospect

the aggressive guy didn't hit the other fellow (who ended up running away) so he walked back to his mates, and me who was standing nearby

as he walked past I asked him if he was ok (or words to that effect) and the guy spins, says "What did you say" and cleanly smacks me in the head

completely dazed me... I stumbled backwards and walked away with my face pouring blood - walked up to burger king to try and clean it up, the guy had opened about a 2 inch cut right above my eye (which had swollen up to the size of a mandarin)

ambulance, ED, x-rays, CT scan & lots of waiting... bloody hell. wrong place at the wrong time. I have fractured my eye socket and have five stitches in my eye lid. awesome. I look like I've been hit by a frying pan...

will post photos if I can work out how to upload them.

no work for a couple of days now, no riding (as I can't see out of that eye or get a helmet on my head), no nothing... mental note for next time, don't ask angry people who look like they are fried on p wanting a fight if they are "alright"

[thehollowmen]

Ouch!
You take care of yourself.

There ain't many people who can safely walk the streets again in this day and age.

[Skyryder]

Sorry to hear this Metric. There's just too much of this sort of shit going down these days. Hope you lay charges and the fucker does some time. But as usual..............there's no sentenacing deterent these day. Hang in and I hope you heal with no side effects or scars.

Skyryder

[MattRSK]

Good on ya for being nice. Gutted about getting smacked in the head though.

[Brian d marge]

There are some savages out there,,,, Funny though the ones you here about do seem to up hold the stereotypo ( sp intended)

Overall though I was watching for just that when I was in CHCH , all I saw were a lot of young men being just that ,,,young ..a bit rowdy ,,spotty faced yoofs ..in a clapped out car ,,,just being ...yoofs

hope all heals up,,,

Stephen

[u4ea]

bummer dood.......hope you feel better soon

[DingDong]

bummer dood.......hope you feel better soon

Nice guys finish last... next time dont ask, just give'em a hook

[Edbear]

Hope you lay charges




Doesn't sound like you have, Metric. What was the outcome? A copper got stabbed in the stomach with a knife a while ago for pretty much the same scenario. Glad it wasn't worse!:doctor:

[NSR-Dan]

to many drugs these days

[Sketchy_Racer]

fucking losers...

They should all be locked in a room till they kill each other

[crashe]

yep, was a victim of a random act of violence last night standing on queen st

had been out until about 4.30am, when I walked out of a club to catch a taxi home... and saw a group of polynesian guys standing around watching one guy giving another fella a hard time on queen st

it looked like he was going to smack him, so, as you do, I watched and waited... probably not the best option in retrospect

the aggressive guy didn't hit the other fellow (who ended up running away) so he walked back to his mates, and me who was standing nearby

as he walked past I asked him if he was ok (or words to that effect) and the guy spins, says "What did you say" and cleanly smacks me in the head

completely dazed me... I stumbled backwards and walked away with my face pouring blood - walked up to burger king to try and clean it up, the guy had opened about a 2 inch cut right above my eye (which had swollen up to the size of a mandarin)

ambulance, ED, x-rays, CT scan & lots of waiting... bloody hell. wrong place at the wrong time. I have fractured my eye socket and have five stitches in my eye lid. awesome. I look like I've been hit by a frying pan...

will post photos if I can work out how to upload them.

no work for a couple of days now, no riding (as I can't see out of that eye or get a helmet on my head), no nothing... mental note for next time, don't ask angry people who look like they are fried on p wanting a fight if they are "alright"


Shite - the same thing happened to a good friend of mine last Sunday morning at 2am, but on K'Rd near Starbucks...
They are trying to get it on video footage as there are camera's around that area. He was knocked out and in hospital overnight.
Ended up with emergancy dentist work being done.
He gets the stitches out this week.
He too did nothing and the dude jumps out of the car and hits him and pushes him over. My friend whacked his head on the footpath when he fell.
He has no memory of what happened as it happened so fast nor much of his time in hospital. He was lucky that he was with two people who rung the ambo and the police.
Yep he reported it to the police.
These dudes were also PI descent as well.


So check to see if there is any camera's operating in that area as soon as possible. These dudes have to be caught.

[Zed]

I've lived in Auckland all my life and over the years growing up I've both witnessed & heard of multiple accounts of violence on Queen Street, and most were just random acts like what happened to you Metric. Usually it's some Mike Tyson wannabe in a group (tougher around his mates you see) who 'steps out' the victim for a leather jacket or basketball boots, sometimes they'll just ask for money or a smoke and if refused throw a punch.

Sounds like he hurt you bad, get well soon.

[jimbo600]

Well hopefully the offenders in these cases got tickets for speeding when fleeing from each incident.

[gamgee]

have you laid a police complaint, get the f*cker on an assault charge, so many camera's around, one of them is bound to have got a look at him, and someone with such an obvious personality disorder is bound to be known to the cops

[oldrider]

Shit a brick Metric that is bad news. Hope you heal up well soon.
It's probably useless information but I can remember when that sort of thing was almost non existent and that goes for almost all of what is now known as "Oceania".
I used to sail all round the South Pacific Islands mainly based from Auckland and the racial problems of today were practically unknown.
Sure we had the odd scrap but even then you usually ended up friends as a result.
I played rugby and boxed with heaps of Islanders (Tuna Scanlan period) and had nothing but respect for them both here and in their own countries.
Maori pakeha relations were so good then you hardly even thought about there being much difference, we were all just New Zealanders having a good life.
I don't know how things got like they are, wish I knew so I could help change it back. Cheers John.
PS: Maybe I helped cause it, I hope not. :innocent:

[Indiana_Jones]

We need a KB mob justice system

-Indy

[Squeak the Rat]

True that. I got smacked when I was about 19 (eons ago now), just standing there and suddenly guy turns around and ko's me.

He told the judge "he was getting smart". He got given a suspended sentence which pretty much means a smack on the wrist.

I got concussion, stitches, bruising, headaches and a healthy disrespect for our justice system....

Sorry to hear metric, i can empathise.

[Paul in NZ]

Sounds like it was a bad experience and I'm on your side here but....

If you see stuff like that on the street - the best place to be is someplace else because someone is going to get a whack and their are no winners... Too much random violence out there..

I'd just go back inside and ring the cops... Standing there watching was probably not a good choice.

Easy for me to say of course - I was safely in bed...

[Fatjim]

Sorry to hear Bro. Good idea to post as it reminds us not to talk to Polys. I mean keep out heads down when someones in trouble. Shit.... what should we do? Ring the Police?

Get well soon. And only to talk to drunk white women.

[Beemer]

Unfortunately Paul is right - even being in the same place puts you at risk when shit like this goes down. I remember getting smacked in the head by a woman once. My crime? I was standing there doing nothing and she turned around and said "what are you staring at?" and I foolishly replied "nothing". She said "so I'm NOTHING, am I?" No right answer to that question so I kept my mouth shut but still got whacked!

I think that too many people use their fists as a first resort rather than a last and I doubt it's going to get better. When you see ambulance officers get assaulted for doing their job, you know things have changed for the worse.

[Lias]

Dont complain about it mate, he was black so hes allowed to have a chip on his shoulder the size of mt everest because us honkeys have been oppressing him his whole life, and society owes him a better lifestyle than he currently has as a dopehead on the dole.

Bring back dawn raids and 0800 DOB A FOB imo.

[metric]

hey thanks guys for the nice words

yeah I know, I probably shouldn't have been standing there watching, instead should have just kept walking straight to the nearest taxi...

i am considering doing something about it, not sure about laying charges because i don't know who did it, but I will file a report once I'm back at work in a couple of days

I'm also going to drop the management of the club an email, I was turned away by the bouncer after I'd just been smacked in the head... I'm thinking the least thing he could have done was call an ambulance

I'm just lucky that I kept my feet and didn't hit the curb - the ED doc told me that it's a regular occurance that people get hit in the head, head hits the concrete, brain goes dead in the head...

good on ya speedie - much respect for ambo's & doc's @ ED

might not be heading into town for a while now

[sAsLEX]

True that. I got smacked when I was about 19 (eons ago now), just standing there and suddenly guy turns around and ko's me.

He told the judge "he was getting smart bro". He got given a suspended sentence which pretty much means a smack on the wrist.

I got concussion, stitches, bruising, headaches and a healthy disrespect for our justice system....

Sorry to hear metric, i can empathise.

hmmm what was I saying in the other thread about people passing get worse punishment than people who have no more intelligence than the pack mentailty certain races love to get into.......

got to love our justice system .

[Macktheknife]

Hi Metri, sorry to hear about your injuries mate, I think you should definitely lay a complaint with the police asap. That way they can check the camera footage

[Zed]

Dont complain about it mate, he was black so hes allowed to have a chip on his shoulder the size of mt everest because us honkeys have been oppressing him his whole life, and society owes him a better lifestyle than he currently has as a dopehead on the dole.Are you a white supremist Lias?? I was looking for your nazi swastika tattoo in your profile pic but couldn't see it.

[sAsLEX]

Are you a white supremist Lias?? I was looking for your nazi swastika tattoo in your profile pic but couldn't see it.

No i think he is like a vast majority of NZers who are getting a little agvevated at the one law for us one for them that seems to be being portrayed though the media and other avenues

[Zed]

No i think he is like a vast majority of NZers who are getting a little agvevated at the one law for us one for them that seems to be being portrayed though the media and other avenuesWhy do you feel the need to speak on his behalf Alex, is it because you support his racist remarks??

In Metrics case it could have easily been a 'honkey' who threw the punch, you guys need to live a little longer and see for yourselves that the white man is just as guilty of random unwarranted violence!

And btw, Metric hasn't at this stage involved the authorities or the justice system, so you guys are jumping to conclusions about any possible outcome. I personally know plenty of Maori and Pacific Islanders, and the way you guys generalise about them is nothing short of blatant racism as far as i'm concerned so shut your cake holes!

[metric]

the way I see it (out of my one good eye) is that I got smacked by a polynesian fella, it could have been a white guy, could have been an asian...

I was in the wrong place at the wrong time

end of story

[crashe]

Hey lets all setle down and not turn this into a war on the site.




There are good and bad in all nationalities.

Metric just mentioned that the dude that hit him was of PI descent.

I also mentioned that my friend was bashed without no justifcation by a person of PI Descent.

As Metric says it could be anyone who goes out to bash up people.
Neither I nor metric were generalising just stating a fact that the offender was of PI descent.

[Lias]

Sokay.. Let Zed hold onto his brainwashed guilt and apologise for being white.

Are their immigrants who are decent people? Sure.. But far far too many of them are good for nothing pieces of shit who shouldnt have been let into the country in the first place. Many PI immigrants in particular seem to be following maori into the whole "gangster" attitude and blaming everything wrong in their lives on everyone but themselves. Personally I'm utterly sick of being told that as a white person I'm responsible for everything from poverty to cancer to the kahui twins being beaten to death by their waste-of-oxygen family.

As for me being racist? I am to some degree, I think most people are. I'm far more nationalist than racist thou, I dont care what colour you are as long as when you come to my country you obey our laws, our way of life, our cultural norms etc. See my signature :nono:

I'm hardly the raving nazi that Zed would like me to be thou, it would make life mighty interesting given I work in a mostly maori organisation.:innocent:

[The_Dover]

I'm hardly the raving nazi that Zed would like me to be thou, it would make life mighty interesting given I work in a mostly maori organisation.:innocent:

Are you a drug dealer?

Or on the dole?

[Lias]

Are you a drug dealer?

Or on the dole?
Smart arse :-)

Wolf and I both work at Te Wananga O Aotearoa (http://www.twoa.ac.nz/).

[Lias]

I had to giggle.. I just got blinged with the comment "Good stuff, PC faggots like Zed give me the shits!"

[The_Dover]

Wolf and I both work at Te Wananga O Aotearoa (http://www.twoa.ac.nz/).


Good place to be a drug dealer I'd imagine, all that luverly government grant money floating around, needing to be spent.

[Finn]

I never go anywhere near Queen St at night. Too many niggers.

Heal up Metric and make the best of a few days off.

[vtec]

Why do you feel the need to speak on his behalf Alex, is it because you support his racist remarks??

In Metrics case it could have easily been a 'honkey' who threw the punch, you guys need to live a little longer and see for yourselves that the white man is just as guilty of random unwarranted violence!

And btw, Metric hasn't at this stage involved the authorities or the justice system, so you guys are jumping to conclusions about any possible outcome. I personally know plenty of Maori and Pacific Islanders, and the way you guys generalise about them is nothing short of blatant racism as far as i'm concerned so shut your cake holes!

Would it help if I mentioned that my Evo 4 was stolen by a bunch of PI's, was spotted with a full load of them in Manukau, and it was never seen again.

Would it help if I mentioned one of my friend bought a WRX and had it for 4 days before it was stolen by PI's (security camera footage). Also never seen again.

Would it help if I mentioned that that same friend was walking home from the pub along the Pakuranga highway late one night with some of my other friends when a car load of PI's jumped out and beat the shit out of two of them. One broke his thumb on the curb when he was knocked down, the other one (the one who had his WRX stolen) had his prescription glasses smashed into his face by a fist. The other 2 of my friends managed to sprint off.

Would it help if I mentioned that another friend (female) who was walking home from the pub with her friend (also female) had a PI or maori dude jump out and snatch her fucking bag off her arm.

The list goes on.

What does it take before people start to recognise a fucking pattern. If they did this it might help to work out how to target prevention programmes.

[Finn]

Vtec, not all coons are bad. There are some nasty whites in NZ too. That Arthur Alan Thomas joker was a bad bugger.

[vtec]

I know it's not all of them haha. In fact I'm sure there are tonnes that are great. But a larger percentage of their youth seem to be a shitload more violent and criminal than us whities, percentagewise. They don't even consider how they are hurting other people physically or financially. I have relations who are part maori, and one of them is a cop. Probably the only cop in the force that I would show respect to. he's a top bloke. But there are just a way higher percentage of Maori and PI's who are into stupid shit like graffiti drugs theft and violent crime. Just something I've observed, and yes it does irk me. But that doesn't mean that i prejudge. But you can usually tell by the way someone holds themselves, or by the way they dress. Whether or not they are looking for trouble. And there are white guys who are into that shit. But way less, maybe it's because they are generally not as large or strong, so they aren't quite as invincible.

[andrea]

you guys can farken talk i used to go out with a part white/maori guy but he was more to his white side and farken racist. everytime we drove past some asains and indians etc he would poke fingers at them. not to forget he used to be a skinhead back in new plymouth. plus i was the first PI gf hes been out with, everytime we walked past a group of PI's he would drop balls and hold my hand pffft. its sad to hear that those guys done that to you but not all of us are like that, its just people like that that gives the rest of us a bad name. did you report the incident so that the cops could get onto it? anyways rest up and get well soon

[Colapop]

That's right Andrea, I wholeheartedly agree - not all PI's are like that. There are plenty of white, brown, olive or whatever other races you want to mention that are bad buggers. I've been with my Samoan wife for 16 years and married for almost 10, the only time I've ever had any run-ins with any PI's is when I've been out on the town. But as soon as I've had any trouble, my family has been there - whether I've been out with them or not. I'm not a Samoan and don't try to be, her family aren't benefit bludgers, her family are fantastic people and I'd trust them more than most other people out there. They have learnt to know me - to the point that at a family get together with a karaoke I got up (after some ribbing) and sang "I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts"...

And I'm here, still alive.

[Fatjim]

Colapop, I've been to your place once and as far as that goes I can vouch that you are very fortunate to have such a lovely family.

I also play rugby and most of the team is Moari or PI (mainly Moari) and they are all great guys, well most of them. And we a fuckin good laugh together.

However I can't get away from the fact that we keep hearing about Poly violence,not just in the media, this being another case.

Unfortunately people get labled, but there doesn't tend to be smoke without a fire. Bad apples always ruin it for the majority.

Eg
Zed (Christians)
Sarge (Yanks)
Fatjim (good looking fellas)
Cowpoos (animal lovers)

[andrea]

LOL hmmm i wonder what her second name is hmm could be related you know:nya: but yeah metric i hope you well soon and i hope that idiot gets caught and gets what he deserves

[Brett]

I am not a racist bloke, in fact one of my key clients at the moment is a Maori trust, and they are all such friendly people. It also seems that the Maori/PI's out of Auckland ...i.e. rural, have a different make up than those fromt he city...just seem to be a bit more friendly.

However, it cannot be ignored that there is a huge deliquency element amongst Maori and PI youth nowadays. One look at the local papers or the herald make that pretty obvious.

I know that it is not only maori and P.I.'s that cause shit, there are quite a few whities doing the same, but the odds sure favour Maori/P.I.'s when it comes to violence. What are the solutions? Suggestions?

[vtec]

One solution is for cops to start working on the small crimes like graffiti. And the much larger impacting crimes like car theft and burglary, and then you will see most of the trouble makers get taken off the street. I don't care who they catch racewise, as long as they start making an impact on the crime. The people who go out and do the graffiti and the car break ins are the same ones who start thinking they are invincible, and they can go around smashing people in to show off to their mates.

All it would take to sort this crap out is a bit of determination from management and some ingenuity. Bring in say 40 bait cars into auckland and actually have the cops monitor them. Put them in the right places, and you can guarantee they will be nicked or broken into within a week, maybe sometimes within hours. Have cops monitoring certain pub carparks on nights like St Pats, and New Years eve. For this to be effective the justice system also needs to crack down on offenders. Make sure that the punishment fits the crime. Like I lost $20,000 on that Evo 4, it was actually an investment that I had bought over from japan a few years ago when they were selling for $25,000-$30,000 cause I had quit my job and was going back to uni. Instead I lost it all, and it was only because my cousin was in comms, that she came round and did a fingerprint check on the car that they had shifted out of the way to get my evo. The cops need to take an interest in the smaller crimes (car theft isn't particularly small in my opinion, it effectively made me a slave for a few years) to prevent the bigger ones. Fix the force, fix the justice system, and you'll probably fix the trade deficit at the same time, as we all know that crime in this country is costing us $billions.

[sAsLEX]

However, it cannot be ignored that there is a huge deliquency element amongst Maori and PI youth nowadays. One look at the local papers or the herald make that pretty obvious.


What is that cop show that has cases you can ring up about crimes?

I laugh every time they start to describe the crim as my partner hits me saying " your so racist" but every week I continue to laugh as they continue hold my opinion to be true and correct

[APPLE]

in the 80s,me and a few mates use to bus into town from mangere,on a Friday nite,out for a good time,you know city lights,Baskers,freaky people,glue sniffers,you name it.we use to drink whisky in the uni gardens,but we were never shit steering,causing trouble.because the cops were a lot tougher back then, i believe anyway.but there woz a bit of racial tension back then between p.i's and maori.but pakeha people i think had it worse with Maori and p.i's.they saw them as easy targets,people who were easy to beat on,or to get money out of. i mean no disrespect here, dont get me wrong now?this is wot i saw back in the 80s.i think today even,Racisiam is still around.i hope you heal up quickly mate,and go after these fellas.............

[Lias]

Just as a sidenote, a good chunk of the maoris I work with hate PI's. Its like I said, everyones a bit racist too some degree.. The maoris hate all the PI's, the samoans hate the tongans who hate the cook islanders who hate the fijians etc etc..Anyone else remember the samoan vs tongan machete wars insouth auckland years ago? Or the Samoan somali fights of more modern days? Arabs hate israelis, indians hate pakistanis, chinese hate japanese and so on and so on.. All stereotypes and there are always exceptions, but its the way the world goes around.

Yes some islanders are fine people, yes some non islanders are violent wankers, but on the whole there seems to be a disturbing trend for young male islanders living in NZ to be violent wankers, in far greater numbers than their demographic should represent, and thats why the stereotype is that all PI's are trouble causing violent wanks. I'd say send all the PI's home, but that would deprive me of the comic genius that is the naked samoans (esp Oscar and David).. Woe is me!

And on that note "I'm going to the pub.. I may be some time!"(done in best brotown accent)

[SARGE]

... and saw a group of polynesian guys standing around watching one guy giving another fella a hard time on queen st



easy Metric..

according to several KB Hippies .. thats coming real close to RASISM.. not all young polynesian guys are ratbags..are they?


P/T by the way you rabid pinko bastards :nya:

[metric]

easy Metric..

according to several KB Hippies .. thats coming real close to RASISM.. not all young polynesian guys are ratbags..are they?


P/T by the way you rabid pinko bastards :nya:

good call sarge

I've probably inadvertantly started a whole racial debate with that description

see attached... finally worked out a way of getting a few photos off my phone on to the net (apologies for quality)

[SARGE]

good call sarge

I've probably inadvertantly started a whole racial debate with that description

see attached... finally worked out a way of getting a few photos off my phone on to the net (apologies for quality)


far out man.. bastards..

you shoulda chewed an ear off bro.. you would have got your ass kicked even harder, but old boy woulda never fucked with "whitey" again..

[scumdog]

All it would take to sort this crap out is a bit of determination from management and some ingenuity. Bring in say 40 bait cars into auckland and actually have the cops monitor them. Put them in the right places, and you can guarantee they will be nicked or broken into within a week, maybe sometimes within hours. Have cops monitoring certain pub carparks on nights like St Pats, and New Years eve.

Have you ANY idea how many cops that an operation involving 40 'bait' cars would require??????


Even Auckland couldn't do an op. of that size!!

[metric]

far out man.. bastards..

you shoulda chewed an ear off bro.. you would have got your ass kicked even harder, but old boy woulda never fucked with "whitey" again..

its funny eh

the thought of retaliation never even crossed my mind... was just too dazed on my feet, well, that and the fact that my face was literally pissing blood

I guess I'm lucky I didn't try and retaliate though, he had about six or so mates with him from what I remember

could have been the shit kicking from hell

[SARGE]

its funny eh

the thought of retaliation never even crossed my mind... was just too dazed on my feet, well, that and the fact that my face was literally pissing blood

I guess I'm lucky I didn't try and retaliate though, he had about six or so mates with him from what I remember

could have been the shit kicking from hell


yea .. i was just takin the piss man .. heal quick

[The_Dover]

Good news is you weren't pretty to start with.

You can go for the old beat up look now. Sarge can be your idol.

[metric]

Good news is you weren't pretty to start with.

You can go for the old beat up look now. Sarge can be your idol.

go for? been there done that mate

got run over by an HQ a few years back... well & truly banged up from that

EDIT: 'twas a '71 HQ Holden

[metric]

yea .. i was just takin the piss man .. heal quick

cheers man trying my best

[Colapop]

LOL hmmm i wonder what her second name is hmm could be related you know:nya: ...
It's the same as mine - she married me! :blip:
Most PI's are related to each other.(No banjoes but definitely ukelele's in the background) My wife says it's the only reason she married me - coz she she knew we weren't related!

[Lias]

Ahh I see the problem..

Your white with short hair so your obviously a raving nazi skinhead who's opressing the brothers just by walking down the street..

Heal well mate.

[vtec]

Have you ANY idea how many cops that an operation involving 40 'bait' cars would require??????


Even Auckland couldn't do an op. of that size!!

That was an idea that I chucked together in 30 seconds. What I was looking for was for some others to come up with ideas. The scale and details of which aren't always immediately perfect. You're showing as much initiative and determination as current police management.

My point was, that although I know the force in auckland currently isn't capable of it, but rather the benefits of such a programme would be huge.

Please, show some inititative and drive, and come up with your own plans too and pitch them to your bosses. Cause currently (at least the last few years) police management seems interested in only high profile crime that will get them "big ups" from the media, and issuing speeding tickets.

[Zed]

Ahh I see the problem..

Your white with short hair so your obviously a raving nazi skinhead who's opressing the brothers just by walking down the street...I don't think you do see the problem...

There is little difference between the raving nazi skinhead, the violent brother, and the one inciting racism from behind his computer. All of you have a deeply rooted hatred towards your fellow man, which is a major reason for many of this nations social problems.


Btw, I had to smile, I got green blinged by two different members for my earlier comments directed at you. :D

[Paul in NZ]

What you do have to bear in mind though is that it is not always racist to speak the truth.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3735071a11,00.html

Sometimes being PC and culturally 'sensitive' has exactly the wrong effect. If a problem exists it exists and no amount of fudging the words can make it go away.

We have to keep an open mind and let the facts speak.

Paul N

[The_Dover]

What you do have to bear in mind though is that it is not always racist to speak the truth.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3735071a11,00.html

Sometimes being PC and culturally 'sensitive' has exactly the wrong effect. If a problem exists it exists and no amount of fudging the words can make it go away.

We have to keep an open mind and let the facts speak.

Paul N


Ain't that the fuckin truth.

[Finn]

What you do have to bear in mind though is that it is not always racist to speak the truth.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3735071a11,00.html

Sometimes being PC and culturally 'sensitive' has exactly the wrong effect. If a problem exists it exists and no amount of fudging the words can make it go away.

We have to keep an open mind and let the facts speak.

Paul N

40% of "reported" child abuse is caused by a group of people that represent less than 15% of NZ's population. And that 40% is just the ones that we know of.

Shit, no wonder they're miserable fuckers. Clearly there's only one thing that will stop this. They need special treatment and above all, they need more money.

[Maha]

Thank God.....sorry, i mean thank someone, thats all over between Zed v Str8 amen :innocent:

Just pays to not to speak to drunk islanders or anyone for that matter when the anger is on aye metric?

Early 80's in Hamilton (think the club was Lady H ?) saw a bloke smacking a female down an ally as we walked past, i yelled to my mate, cos he was bigger than me, and told him, he came back, but as i turned around i met this size 9 fist, right on the beak, spoke funny for a while but the fight that started between my mate and that prick was entertaining....:kick:

[Paul in NZ]

Thank God.....sorry, i mean thank someone, thats all over between Zed v Str8 amen :innocent: :

yeah - I just can't figure out how street violence errupts either...

[Colapop]

Street violence is all relative - and usually caused them too (relatives). The only time I've ever had serious concerns for my safety is when my cousin (who's my size - for those of you that know me) and a part islander decided he wanted to play bait the tranny's on Vivian street (back in the '80's too). Fark me (no thanks) they appeared from nowhere and there were about 10 of them and all big f*ckers. Only time I've had to run for it!

You can't trust anyone these days whether you can see thenm coming or not. They know they're not going to get anything more than a smack on the wrist with a wet bit of toast so they just run wild.

[metric]

I don't think you do see the problem...

There is little difference between the raving nazi skinhead, the violent brother, and the one inciting racism from behind his computer. All of you have a deeply rooted hatred towards your fellow man, which is a major reason for many of this nations social problems.


Btw, I had to smile, I got green blinged by two different members for my earlier comments directed at you. :D

hi Zed

pray tell, what is the problem then

why the deep rooted hatred?

[Zed]

hi Zed

pray tell, what is the problem then

why the deep rooted hatred?It's a heart issue in the individual, coupled by the fact that all human beings have a nature within them to do wrong. Some people endeavour to better themselves throughout this life while others do not, and it's these ones who usually get into the most trouble, hatred in their heart being a driving force behind their crimes against humanity.

I believe there is only one sure way of becoming a better person in this life and having victory over our nature to sin, and that is by receiving a *new* nature through Jesus Christ. I'd better finish there...:innocent:

[Colapop]

It's a heart issue in the individual, coupled by the fact that all human beings have a nature within them to do wrong. Some people endeavour to better themselves throughout this life while others do not, and it's these ones who usually get into the most trouble, hatred in their heart being a driving force behind their crimes against humanity.

I believe there is only one sure way of becoming a better person in this life and having victory over our nature to sin, and that is by receiving a *new* nature through Jesus Christ. I'd better finish there...:innocent:
Crimes against humanity??!!?? This is not f*cking Edi Amen here - it's street crime. Yeak it's bad and yeah it shouldn't happen but come on, "all human beings born to be bad"(abridged)??
What you're saying is if everyone were christian then none of this would have happened? Most of those kids doing that sort of shit will be sitting in church on a Sunday morning atoning for all the bad shit they've done in the previous 6 days!

[Zed]

Crimes against humanity??!!?? This is not f*cking Edi Amen here - it's street crime.Within the context of my comment I was generalising about all men. However, even in this instance the crime was against another human being wasn't it?


What you're saying is if everyone were christian then none of this would have happened?Nope, I didn't say that. If I had commented further I would have said that a Christian actually has two natures, the old and the new, and has the ability to walk in either...

[Colapop]

Zed's talking about the issues in general - and saying what "he" believes in. He has his own way of life and doesn't go around asking or forcing others to adapt to it.
Sure generalising but it's a stretch to sew the two issues together. Metric was assaulted unjustly and yet Zed's on about crimes against humanity - I know Metric is human but it's a crime against a person not the rest of us.

[andrea]

Just as a sidenote, a good chunk of the maoris I work with hate PI's. Its like I said, everyones a bit racist too some degree.. The maoris hate all the PI's, the samoans hate the tongans who hate the cook islanders who hate the fijians etc etc..Anyone else remember the samoan vs tongan machete wars insouth auckland years ago? Or the Samoan somali fights of more modern days? Arabs hate israelis, indians hate pakistanis, chinese hate japanese and so on and so on.. All stereotypes and there are always exceptions, but its the way the world goes around.

Yes some islanders are fine people, yes some non islanders are violent wankers, but on the whole there seems to be a disturbing trend for young male islanders living in NZ to be violent wankers, in far greater numbers than their demographic should represent, and thats why the stereotype is that all PI's are trouble causing violent wanks. I'd say send all the PI's home, but that would deprive me of the comic genius that is the naked samoans (esp Oscar and David).. Woe is me!

And on that note "I'm going to the pub.. I may be some time!"(done in best brotown accent)

yeah i remember that incident with the machete it happened in otara mall, some samoan guy chopped off the tongan guys head, my friend says that that guy is now a priest back in the islands, there's always been alot of tension between them. funny that you say that maori's hate the pi's cause my brother is married to a very nice maori lady and they have 3 beautiful kids.
and yes i agree everyone is a lil racist to some degree but probably because they have had some sort of bad experience during their life, hmm i have especially with my own kind too.

[scumdog]

That was an idea that I chucked together in 30 seconds. What I was looking for was for some others to come up with ideas. The scale and details of which aren't always immediately perfect. You're showing as much initiative and determination as current police management.

My point was, that although I know the force in auckland currently isn't capable of it, but rather the benefits of such a programme would be huge.

Please, show some inititative and drive, and come up with your own plans too and pitch them to your bosses. Cause currently (at least the last few years) police management seems interested in only high profile crime that will get them "big ups" from the media, and issuing speeding tickets.

Easy big boy, just stating the facts!! (or flaws)

PC and Bill of Rights kills a shitload of cunning initiatives, always welcome ideas and hints of course!!

(I've shown 'initiave' that to me seemd logical - but bosses went "Hmmm, we could get into a lot of bother if you did that" - W.T.F.!!

[metric]

I guess it's being able to look beyond those random negative experiences and try and understand things from a "bigger picture" perspective

all racism does is reinforce negative stereotypes

[metric]

(I've shown 'initiave' that to me seemd logical - but bosses went "Hmmm, we could get into a lot of bother if you did that" - W.T.F.!!

are they coming from the "that could be seen as 'entrapment'" angle?

[scumdog]

are they coming from the "that could be seen as 'entrapment'" angle?

That and 'unethical' or 'infringing on their rights'

[Colapop]

Just commit a crime any crime - the justice system will look after ya! But that's another 10 threads!

[Lias]

I don't think you do see the problem...

There is little difference between the raving nazi skinhead, the violent brother, and the one inciting racism from behind his computer. All of you have a deeply rooted hatred towards your fellow man, which is a major reason for many of this nations social problems.

I'll somewhat agree to this (dont faint now). I think it ties into what I said about most people are a bit racist to some other group. As a broad stereotype, humans are an inherently selfish xenophobic group. There are those who revel in this, those who go out of there way to counter it, and the vast majority in the middle somewhere.

I'd disagree that I'm promoting racism from behing a computer thou. Culturalism maybe, but you can hardly call "Pacific Islander" a race, given that you can pretty much include polynesia, micronesia, and good chunks of melanesia in the areas that we would consider PI's coming from.



Btw, I had to smile, I got green blinged by two different members for my earlier comments directed at you. :D
I wont get into a bling pissing contest with you, but I just thought the comment on that particular bling was amusing.

[Zed]

I'd disagree that I'm promoting racism from behing a computer thou. Culturalism maybe, but you can hardly call "Pacific Islander" a race...Lias, I labelled you as such because in your first post here you said "he was black". Since then much has transpired and in your defense you have explained your position well, so calling you a racist may have been an exaggeration on my part, for that I apologise.


I wont get into a bling pissing contest with you...You started it! :nya:

[spudchucka]

That and 'unethical' or 'infringing on their rights'
Sort of like when you catch someone pissing in the doorway of a shop in the middle of town at 0500 on a Saturday morning and instead of locking them up you make them take off their T-Shirt and mop up their own piss. Seemed like a good idea at the time, unfortuneately the boss thought I should try a different approach the next time.

[Lou Girardin]

Sort of like when you catch someone pissing in the doorway of a shop in the middle of town at 0500 on a Saturday morning and instead of locking them up you make them take off their T-Shirt and mop up their own piss. Seemed like a good idea at the time, unfortuneately the boss thought I should try a different approach the next time.

Use their pants?

[scumdog]

Sort of like when you catch someone pissing in the doorway of a shop in the middle of town at 0500 on a Saturday morning and instead of locking them up you make them take off their T-Shirt and mop up their own piss. Seemed like a good idea at the time, unfortuneately the boss thought I should try a different approach the next time.

Worked o.k. with the guy that spewed in the e.b.a. room, his shirt did stink a bit then though so we then got him a mop and bucket....

[spudchucka]

Use their pants?
Nope, just rub their nose in it and smack them on the arse with a rolled up newspaper.

[Expert]

Racism or racist is an over used, knee jerk reaction term used by people who are unable to think through something properly over any issue involving different races and it just creates grief. I prefer to think of myself as prejudist which is not nesseccarilly a bad thing. I hate peedofiles, i don't care what colour they are. I hate lazy useless spongers who think the rest of nz owe them a living. i hate people who beat their kids to death. I hate people who make you feel intimidated when you are out for a night with the missus. Just because all these people seem to fit in one ethnic background is unfortunate. Some one who tells me i can't hate them because their colour gives them"immunity" because it would be un-pc to do so make me piss! Pc is an insidious evil which is killing freedom of speach and crippling this country!!

[Expert]

Pc just creates a load of people who pretend to like each other which is worse than knowing where you stand with someone. I would prefer to know how someone really feels inside not because they are told it is wrong to feel the way they do. Pc is contrdictory to honesty, it makes people tell lies.

[MidnightMike]

I am prejudice, to the people who act like that. However if i see a pacific islander or whatever who have made something of their lives it puts a smile on my face and i feel somehow humbled. :yes:

[Zed]

You sure about that Matt? Go and have a look at your bible, I'm quite certain you cant have both.Sure am Glen. Explanation is here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=689778&postcount=5604).

[Lias]

Lias, I labelled you as such because in your first post here you said "he was black". Since then much has transpired and in your defense you have explained your position well, so calling you a racist may have been an exaggeration on my part, for that I apologise.

My tounge may have possibly been in my cheek.. just a little bit :P

[NC]

Oh I thought this was goingt o be about the guy I smacked over in Greymouth

[Str8 Jacket]

Oh I thought this was goingt o be about the guy I smacked over in Greymouth

Glad to hear you're having a good time down there chick! ;p

[NC]

Glad to hear you're having a good time down there chick! ;p
:D too much.

[Colapop]

Send us up some coal - it's bloody cold...

[Pixie]

yep, was a victim of a random act of violence last night standing on queen st


He probably though you were offering him a job

[Pixie]

One solution is for cops to start working on the small crimes like graffiti.
How is that going to increase reve sorry, decrease the road toll?