Cindy Kiro at it again

[James Deuce]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3743838a10,00.html

How do we get through to these people that it is none of their business? Neither the Office of the Commissioner for Children, nor the Government should be even entertaining collecting this information.

Once they have created a database of Children, that generation's privacy is gone, and they will be monitored from the cradle to the grave.

They didn't get to chip dogs so Children are next?

The catch cry of the conservative moderate, "If you have nothing to fear, then what is the problem", has resulted in the deaths of 10's of millions of people in the 20th Century, so don't expect that line to hold any water with me.

[madboy]

Get back to work Jim, Cindy needs your taxes.

[marty]

kid's blood (heel prick) is already taken at birth for a national database, and that has already been used to provide dna matches for coronial matters, it's only a matter of time before that is actually used to provide a dna database

[marty]

is that 'kid's' right? or should it be kids or kids'? kid's i think

[Karma]

kid's blood (heel prick) is already taken at birth for a national database, and that has already been used to provide dna matches for coronial matters, it's only a matter of time before that is actually used to provide a dna database

Urm....

If they have all these samples that they can reference in a logical ordered manner then it's already a DNA database.

[Lou Girardin]

The State knows what's good for us. Do not worry. Pay your taxes. All will be well.

[James Deuce]

kid's blood (heel prick) is already taken at birth for a national database, and that has already been used to provide dna matches for coronial matters, it's only a matter of time before that is actually used to provide a dna database

It's non-correlated with the origin. It is purely for blood typing stats, and isn't linked to the child's name, except on the individual hospital discharge form which needs a court order to be disclosed to anyone other than parents, or in later life, the child.

This plan is altogether more sinister because it will profile kids at an early age and most likely lock them into an education and socialisation process, with the goal of creating a certain type of society.

"We're out of Garbagemen."

"Divert the no-hopers of the class of 2021 into that career stream."

"Done."

[Motu]

Children's Rights - they have no spokespeople....they haven't got a hope.

[Karma]

Children's Rights - they have no spokespeople....they haven't got a hope.

What about this guy;

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[Sniper]

Out of the blue general question. Can you refuse to have your kids heel pricked?

[MrMelon]

Anyone seen or read "A scanner darkly"? This sounds like they're heading down those lines. Go big brother!

[sugilite]

Out of the blue general question. Can you refuse to have your kids heel pricked?

Yes, but they will still try and do it in the sly anyways...

[Sniper]

Yes, but they will still try and do it in the sly anyways...

Bastards will be fucken stupid to try when I say no.

[kickingzebra]

Hmm, at 13 they check sexual health...

Now little Jimmy, have you had Homosexual intercourse yet? Because you need to, it is a valid part of establishing your identity, Based on the stats and blood groups, you should go and see Timmy, down the hall.

Then, when you have finished, you should try it with a girl.

So they are checking that 13 year olds have already been taught everything they need to know, and then wondering why Kids are growing up so young?

What feckin bollocks.

Is nothing Sacred? Kids are the governments, our school system is designed to emphasise the states control in a childs upbringing, and remove the parent from that position of authority. And we wonder why kids don't respect their elders, or themselves.

[Skyryder]

If it can alleviate future hospiatal waiting lists by giving government agencies crucial data for forward planning then I don't have a problem. This country does not have a good record with our children's health. Now I'm no expert on this but it seems to me that we are suffering from the American disease; conspiricies and big brother syndrom.

Skyryder

[The Pastor]

its all a scoical experiment titled "lets see how we can screw up our country the most, and how fast we can do it."

[Hitcher]

is that 'kid's' right? or should it be kids or kids'? kid's i think
Kids' is right. The blood of more than one kid, therefore the apostrophe goes after the s.

[James Deuce]

If it can alleviate future hospiatal waiting lists by giving government agencies crucial data for forward planning then I don't have a problem. This country does not have a good record with our children's health. Now I'm no expert on this but it seems to me that we are suffering from the American disease; conspiricies and big brother syndrom.

Skyryder

This woman is on record as saying that she doesn't think it is appropriate that fathers live with their children, because of a male dominated statistic for child sexual abuse.

Our health system is no excuse to begin 24x7 monitoring of citizens. It isn't a conspiracy theory, and if you think it will improve our health system, you're wrong. If you want decent timely health care you have to have health insurance. If you need cancer treatment you should move to Australia. The public health system in NZ is focussed on reducing Government spend, not improving health care.

[Skyryder]

This woman is on record as saying that she doesn't think it is appropriate that fathers live with their children, because of a male dominated statistic for child sexual abuse.

Our health system is no excuse to begin 24x7 monitoring of citizens. It isn't a conspiracy theory, and if you think it will improve our health system, you're wrong. If you want decent timely health care you have to have health insurance. If you need cancer treatment you should move to Australia. The public health system in NZ is focussed on reducing Government spend, not improving health care.

Had a look at the link you posted. On what it said I still don't have a problem. There will awlays be people who see things that are not there. Considering the social problems that this country has at present any attempt that adresses these problems has got to be better than doing nothing.

I quote " The plan was not aimed at most Kiwi children, but to stop needless deaths, such as Masterton sisters Saliel Aplin and Olympia Jetson, who were killed by their stepfather." If it stops this sort of thing what's the problem. Trouble in this country is that too many kids are being abused and it only comes out after the fact.

I also see in article the proposal is a copy of both Scotish and English models. Not countrys' known for the Big Brother syndrome.

Skyryder

[kickingzebra]

I also see in article the proposal is a copy of both Scotish and English models. Not countrys' known for the Big Brother syndrome.

Skyryder

Have you had your head in a hole for 20 years?? Pommigitland is the Nanny state to end all nanny states!!
They decide exactly what you can do, and where and when you can do it.
Privacy is non existant, and the welfare state is growing stronger.

[Skyryder]

Have you had your head in a hole for 20 years?? Pommigitland is the Nanny state to end all nanny states!!
They decide exactly what you can do, and where and when you can do it.
Privacy is non existant, and the welfare state is growing stronger.

Not me with a hole in my head. I know the difference between a nanny state and a police state. Big Brother is the police state.

Skyryder

[kickingzebra]

Peels from the same banana.
All about control, just like the matrix.

[Karma]

Yeh, tampons, condoms, smacking, penguins.... it's all about control

[marty]

whew, thanks hitcher.

and jim, i know that the heel prick is a bloodtyping thing, not a dna database thing, but as i said, i have used it a few times to confirm identity of someone (only for deaths - not for criminal matters), but i can see a time in the NTDF that dna profiling at/pre birth will become the norm.

[Skyryder]

I still can't see why everyones up in arms over this. So the Government's got your blood typ, so what, so the governments got your DNA, so what.

So how is this going to impede on your personal freedom?

Now if they (government) were going to micro chip babies now that's another story...........and please don't tell me that that's the next step, because if you do I'm going to want to know where that info comes from.

Now there's nothing wrong with cynacism.............but it's not too far away from paranoria.

Skyryder

[Karma]

What happens when they start cloning me? I won't even know who I am anymore!