Don't take a knife to a gunfight !

[spudchucka]

It was an attempt at humour dumbass. Any post I've made about pigs is focused more on our failing police system at the hands of this government, not the pigs themselves. By being a pissy pants and taking all this personally, you obviously think that the system is working, you're not under-resourced and everything is fine and dandy. If this is correct then you are a bigger dumbass than I thought.
It was a piss poor attempt and you make constant personal attacks so I dismiss your second sentence as just your usual standard of BS.

You have no idea what I think about "the system".

My discussion in this thread has been basically limited to correcting Mr Swoops incorrect assumptions regarding police use of firearms.

Reminder just in case you've forgotten: I don't care in the slightest what you think.

[spudchucka]

It might have been FMJ.
Didn't see an exit wound when he was rolling around??

[Finn]

Reminder just in case you've forgotten: I don't care in the slightest what you think.

So you keep saying and yet your retorts say otherwise. In fact, the only posts you make are in defense of what people generally think of the police in NZ. You very rarely get yourself involved in any other topic or discussion. I would go as far as to say that you find it therapeutic to vent on here about a job that, deep down, troubles you.

By nature of a regimented regime, your environment is not conducive to self awareness and individuality. You are the sum total of what they want you to be and believe. The ineffectiveness of the Police caused by a misguided Government is sugar coated and you are made to believe that the agency is effective and that you make a difference.

But it's okay Spud. I understand that it must be a very difficult environment to work in and I am happy that your venting finds you some relief.

As a tax payer (minimal at that) I would suggest that you probably should care what I and many others think. There seems to be a deep seeded arrogance with the NZ public service where they forget what it is we pay them to do.

Now go polish those booties, pull your chin up and make us proud.

[Patrick]

Ixion will back me up here, but yellow lines mean nothing these days, they are like the blanket 80k limits being rolled out as a weak attempt at saving lives. Find me a section of SH2 without yellow lines these days, then they close the passing lanes as well!

Could have summit to do with all the white crosses on the side of the highway on SH2???? You ever counted em? Take a calculator...

[Ixion]

No. it doesn't. The insane yellow lines on SH2 have NO relevance to ANY hazard. They have just painted yellow lines everywhere.

Just why SH2 has such a bad rep I do not know . I have never been able to see anything hazardous on the road, and I have never had any bad experiences on it (and I ride it a lot). I can only assign it to arrant stupidity. But certainly insane yellow line painting on every reachable surface will not improve matters one bit. It is the meaningless thoughtless response of the incompetant to a problem beyond the reach of their minds. "Duh, gee look at all these accidents. Wonder what the problem is ? Duh. Dunno, but lets paint yellow lines EVERYWHERE". In fact the insane yellow lines make the road MORE dangerous.

[spudchucka]

So you keep saying and yet your retorts say otherwise. In fact, the only posts you make are in defense of what people generally think of the police in NZ. The only reason I post alot about police stuff is because there is so much incorrect information spouted as fact by members and I am in a position to offer them the truth. If they don't want to accept it as the truth thats their business but at least someone has tried to educate them.


You very rarely get yourself involved in any other topic or discussion. I would go as far as to say that you find it therapeutic to vent on here about a job that, deep down, troubles you.Good one Freud.

Actually I do post in other threads, perhaps you just don't read them because you are always reading the police threads and deep down in side you'd love to be one of us.


By nature of a regimented regime, your environment is not conducive to self awareness and individuality. You are the sum total of what they want you to be and believe. The ineffectiveness of the Police caused by a misguided Government is sugar coated and you are made to believe that the agency is effective and that you make a difference.Actuall Mr Assumption coming from a person of your attitude sitting on the outside, trying hard to look in, your opinions are hardly objective. There is no way you can know anything of note about, my work environment, the sum of what the employer wants the employee to believe or what I personally believe in terms of the effectiveness of the police or whether I personally have or can make any difference to any person I have contact with.

In short, you speak bullshit.


But it's okay Spud. I understand that it must be a very difficult environment to work in and I am happy that your venting finds you some relief.If you're happy why are you whining like a bitch?


As a tax payer (minimal at that) I would suggest that you probably should care what I and many others think. There seems to be a deep seeded arrogance with the NZ public service where they forget what it is we pay them to do.I only care what worthwile human beings think, you don't qualify.


Now go polish those booties, pull your chin up and make us proud.If thats all it takes to make you proud of me I'll do it, just for you.

[Swoop]

Could have summit to do with all the white crosses on the side of the highway on SH2???? You ever counted em? Take a calculator...
I would hope most drivers pay more attention to the road than counting crosses or doing equasions with a calculator whilst driving...:blip:

[Swoop]

Good one Freud.

... and deep down in side you'd love to be one of us.
And take a substantial pay cut plus have to work shifts???
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Finn]

It's your birthday Spud so I will refrain from a retort.:innocent:

But it's gloves off tomorrow porkie.

[spudchucka]

It's your birthday Spud so I will refrain from a retort.:innocent:

But it's gloves off tomorrow porkie.
No worries baldy.:yes:

[Bend-it]

Spud and Finn are probably the same person, just doesn't have anything else to do...

Hang on... Spud, Finn and Annette King are the same person! Working out their split identites on this forum! Has anyone ever seen them at the same time in public?

[Lou Girardin]

Didn't see an exit wound when he was rolling around??

I've heard that they tend not to exit. Heavy bullet - low velocity.
I was surprised that the moron was mobile after that hit him.

[Lou Girardin]

Could have summit to do with all the white crosses on the side of the highway on SH2???? You ever counted em? Take a calculator...

Have you driven it? A 2 km straight with good vis does not warrant double yellows.

[sAsLEX]

Could have summit to do with all the white crosses on the side of the highway on SH2???? You ever counted em? Take a calculator...

Yip stupid people continue to die with the yellow lines there, there is no stopping some people killing themselves.



I have never been able to see anything hazardous on the road

I see a few errant Mabels and tired aucklanders in their cages

[mini_me]

17 shot magazine, hopefully 1 will hit the target while the arse pucker factor is doing 17million rpm... officially all the missed shots were "warning shots...":blip:

hah, with a 9mm hitting the fucker could be considered a warning shot...

[Swoop]

You have no idea what I think about "the system".

My discussion in this thread has been basically limited to correcting Mr Swoops incorrect assumptions regarding police use of firearms.
Hmm. Assumptions about the police use?
I do believe that I have some knowledge about your methods and techniques.
Trained in a predictable pattern to do predictable things.
I am just broadening your horizon!

How are the suppressors working on the bushmasters? A wonderful method of realistic training... muzzle heavy during training and a different feel when you get to shoot outside the South Auckland police range.

Why did the police have to build that indoor range???
Oh, that's right - they kept getting kicked out of all the other ranges around Auckland - including military ones, due to the damage being caused...

[spudchucka]

I've heard that they tend not to exit. Heavy bullet - low velocity.
I was surprised that the moron was mobile after that hit him.
I would have thought there would be a pretty good chance that it would exit being that it was fired from pretty close range. FMJ rounds don't deform too much, not like hydra shock..... nasty stuff.

[spudchucka]

Hmm. Assumptions about the police use?
I do believe that I have some knowledge about your methods and techniques.
Trained in a predictable pattern to do predictable things.
I am just broadening your horizon!

How are the suppressors working on the bushmasters? A wonderful method of realistic training... muzzle heavy during training and a different feel when you get to shoot outside the South Auckland police range.

Why did the police have to build that indoor range???
Oh, that's right - they kept getting kicked out of all the other ranges around Auckland - including military ones, due to the damage being caused...
I don't work in Dorkland and I don't care what they do on their ranges.

Suppressors on the Bushmaster? Nothing but the standard flash suppressor on mine.

Your aren't broadening anyones horizon, you are speaking crap.

[scumdog]

Suppressors on the Bushmaster? Nothing but the standard flash suppressor on mine.

Your aren't broadening anyones horizon, you are speaking crap.

I second that, never seen one with a suppressor around here either.

(Thinks: supressor would be GOOD, same noise as 22mag and a few deer around to deal with that nobody needs to 'hear' about :blip: ).

[Edbear]

You aren't broadening anyones horizon, you are speaking crap.


We should coin this phrase! Someone will chose it as their sig! I bet we see it on a T-shirt soon!:blip:

[Swoop]

I second that, never seen one with a suppressor around here either.
All the bushmasters used on the south Auckland police range have them. It gets a bit noisy inside the building...!

[Swoop]

Your aren't broadening anyones horizon, you are speaking crap.
You shouldn't put yourself down like that. We all know you spout a lot of crap. Go and write some tickets to cheer yourself up you old fart:nya:
Birthday hangover gone by now???:sick:

:nya:

[Finn]

I would have thought there would be a pretty good chance that it would exit being that it was fired from pretty close range.

Wasn't the guy samoan through? The chicken bones probably absorbed most of the impact.

[ManDownUnder]

Wasn't the guy samoan through? The chicken bones probably absorbed most of the impact.

Will the shooter be done for cruelty to animals as well then?

[spudchucka]

You shouldn't put yourself down like that. We all know you spout a lot of crap. Go and write some tickets to cheer yourself up you old fart:nya:
Birthday hangover gone by now???:sick:

:nya:
Now you're just being childish.

[Patrick]

I would hope most drivers pay more attention to the road than counting crosses or doing equasions with a calculator whilst driving...:blip:

Me too... good game for the kids to play while passing the time of day tho.. My almost three year old can only count to 20, so the calculator helps...

[Patrick]

Have you driven it? A 2 km straight with good vis does not warrant double yellows.

Driven big chunks of it... awesome views, awesome roads too, even on the Waioeka gorge... lost two mates to that one tho.

[Swoop]

Me too... good game for the kids to play while passing the time of day tho.. My almost three year old can only count to 20, so the calculator helps...
Excellent idea!
Helps the kiddies with maths and they have a bit of fun along the way:first:

[Lou Girardin]

Driven big chunks of it... awesome views, awesome roads too, even on the Waioeka gorge... lost two mates to that one tho.

I was thinking of the "killer highway" through Maungatawhere.
Where Jafa's go to die.

[acewheelie]

There would be little deformation of a .45ACP round at close range on soft tissue.
9mm round is higher velocity, makes a smaller hole and does less damage than the .45
Firing against steel targets sometimes a 9mm round sometimes won't even knock them over.
US military units are reverting back to the .45 from 9mm because it is more effective and putting people down, fast.
Personally, I'd have shot the B**tard with a .357 or .44 magnum, he wouldn't have been going to hospital though. (save the tax payer some money. Shoot to kill I say.

[Lou Girardin]

12 gauge with 3" 00 buck rounds. He wouldn't have got to his feet after that.

[Sniper]

There would be little deformation of a .45ACP round at close range on soft tissue.
9mm round is higher velocity, makes a smaller hole and does less damage than the .45
Firing against steel targets sometimes a 9mm round sometimes won't even knock them over.
US military units are reverting back to the .45 from 9mm because it is more effective and putting people down, fast.
Personally, I'd have shot the B**tard with a .357 or .44 magnum, he wouldn't have been going to hospital though. (save the tax payer some money. Shoot to kill I say.

I put down $50 on the fact that you would do the exact same thing that guy did if you were in his situation. You shoot at the large moving mass unless you know how to react otherwise.

[jrandom]

little deformation... military units are reverting... I'd have shot the B**tard with a .357 or .44 magnum... Shoot to kill I say.

Either you're trolling, or you're a moron.

Who in their right mind, in the position of Shop Dude, would want to deal with the additional and inevitable heat from causing a death? You'd have to be psychopathic to want to play God, pass judgement and kill people.

And, Mr Wheelie, I don't think you're a psychopath. I think you're a pasty-faced fantasising twat who, faced with that situation, would probably just poop your trousers and then, even if you *did* have the balls to pull a trigger, put several random rounds into doorframes, shelves and the other side of the driveway.

Anonymous internet bravado is really quite unbecoming.

[Bend-it]

Ssshhhhh!!! Don't wake him from dreamworld!

[Lou Girardin]

I think if I was ever forced to shoot someone, I'd prefer they weren't around for their lawyer to spin a web of lies at the court hearing.
This goes double for doorframes, shelves etc.

[Patrick]

I was thinking of the "killer highway" through Maungatawhere.
Where Jafa's go to die.


Yep... especially there... Is the Red Fox still going???

[ManDownUnder]

12 gauge with 3" 00 buck rounds. He wouldn't have got to his feet after that.

FLAME THROWER!

HOWITZER!

HAND GRENADES!


Or the poor bastard may not have had so much time to choose... "hold on mate - I'll just select a gun to shoot you with... hmm... ballistics of the 357 vs the 44 Mag... dunno. Weight of the gun, accuracy, overall stopping ability bringing into mind the range, and size of target...

Yep - that's the one for me.

Ok... now carry on - were you going to threaten me?"

I think not.

[McJim]

Either you're trolling, or you're a moron.
Hey dude - what's trolling? And how long did you manage to hold a wheelie on a FXR150?

Cheers

P.S. I know what moron means so I didn't ask.

P.P.S. (back on topic) why are the general public allowed guns anyway?

[ManDownUnder]

Hey dude - what's trolling? And how long did you manage to hold a wheelie on a FXR150?

Cheers

P.S. I know what moron means so I didn't ask.

P.P.S. (back on topic) why are the general public allowed guns anyway?

Trolling... Writing something inflammatory = "putting out bait to start an argument"

Moron.. oh - ok

The general public are allowed hand guns because they have a number of uses in areas like pest control, and recreation.

[McJim]

Thanks ManDownUnder....guess I'm a troll too then coz sometimes I just can't resist.....

[Swoop]

The general public are allowed hand guns because they have a number of uses in areas like pest control, and recreation.
And.... to defend gunshops with!

Oh crap... we're back where we started...:yawn:

[ManDownUnder]

Thanks ManDownUnder....guess I'm a troll too then coz sometimes I just can't resist.....

You bastard! I'd never do that myself... :whistle:

[scumdog]

FLAME THROWER!

HOWITZER!

HAND GRENADES!


Or the poor bastard may not have had so much time to choose... "hold on mate - I'll just select a gun to shoot you with... hmm... ballistics of the 357 vs the 44 Mag... dunno. Weight of the gun, accuracy, overall stopping ability bringing into mind the range, and size of target...

Yep - that's the one for me.

Ok... now carry on - were you going to threaten me?"

I think not.

12 guage shotgun slug = 32.6 gm

.44 revolver bullet = 13gm

9mm Glock bullet = 7.2 gm

Guess which I'd use?

PS In the days of the British Empire there were special 'Howdah Pistols', 12 guage, 4 barrels, I bet they hurt at both ends eh?

[Shadows]

Actually the best weapon in NZ for stopping all the low life’s committing crime is to cut off their benefits. Even if we cut social welfare by 50%, we would have $30+ billion to play with. Even if a portion of this went back into policing, the cops would have more resources to work on preventive crime rather than working as glorified meter maids for the Government. We'd have to give the judges a kick up the arse too but you get my drift.

For once I would have to disagree with you Finn.
If the benefits were slashed tomorrow there'd be even more shitbags out there robbing/mugging/home invading the working masses, and selling more P to school kids. In fact there'd probably be a sudden flood of carjackings and other shit hardly heard of now.
We'd probably need every cent of the "savings" just to keep up with the increase in crime and all the new prisons we'd have to build to house the fuckers committing it.

[Ixion]

Yep... especially there... Is the Red Fox still going???

The pub where the publican was brutally murdered and noone was ever convicted? Yes. Why do you ask?

[Shadows]

noise as 22mag and a few deer around to deal with that nobody needs to 'hear' about :blip: ).

Geez I thought you guys would be out of the poaching business after that furore up north a couple of years ago :o
Wasn't you, was it? :blip:

[Ixion]

For once I would have to disagree with you Finn.
If the benefits were slashed tomorrow there'd be even more shitbags out there robbing/mugging/home invading the working masses, and selling more P to school kids. In fact there'd probably be a sudden flood of carjackings and other shit hardly heard of now.
We'd probably need every cent of the "savings" just to keep up with the increase in crime and all the new prisons we'd have to build to house the fuckers committing it.

I doubt there would be much of an increase in crime.The real crims look on welfare as an added bonus. It is a small a part of their total income. If removed they would not actively seek to replace it .What you *would* see is an increase in the suicide rate as the genuinely sick and disabled were reduced to the point that they had no hope any more. Not all beneficiaries are bludgers. I hope none of you ever become sick or disabled. New Zealand is not a kind country, there is a colassol cruelty in this country. You only have to read some of the posts on this site. And oddly, some of the toughest posters are the most merciful. And the bleeding hearts the cruelest.

[Shadows]

I doubt there would be much of an increase in crime.The real crims look on welfare as an added bonus. It is a small a part of their total income. If removed they would not actively seek to replace it .What you *would* see is an increase in the suicide rate as the genuinely sick and disabled were reduced to the point that they had no hope any more. Not all beneficiaries are bludgers. I hope none of you ever become sick or disabled. New Zealand is not a kind country, there is a colassol cruelty in this country. You only have to read some of the posts on this site. And oddly, some of the toughest posters are the most merciful. And the bleeding hearts the cruelest.

The real crims you speak of would not need to change. I wasn't referring to organised crime, but to the opportunist, make a quick dollar in desperation type stuff committed by people without a lot of intelligence. Those types of crimes are the most violent and have the most effect on Joe Public. There are a lot out there on the bread line, often as a lifestyle choice, who wouldn't need much encouragement to seek out "other" forms of income if they suddenly had to.

Re your other point, there are distinct lines of demarcation between genuine sickness beneficiaries / ACC recipients, and dole bludgers. I don't think the intent of the original post was to lump every type of welfare payment together, and propose to cut the lot. Yes, there are people out there who genuinely deserve a helping hand, I would never dispute that.

[scumdog]

Geez I thought you guys would be out of the poaching business after that furore up north a couple of years ago :o
Wasn't you, was it? :blip:

Nope, too cunning for that now.:msn-wink:
(made all the usual dumb mistakes many years ago when I was young though):shutup: :doh:

[Patrick]

The pub where the publican was brutally murdered and noone was ever convicted? Yes. Why do you ask?

We were there that night! Always popped in for a feed on the way to Hot Water Beach for the weekends.

BTW they have suspects, just not enough evidence.

[Patrick]

The general public are allowed hand guns because they have a number of uses in areas like pest control,....

Just like in the gun shop??? Sorted out that "pest" temporarily though....:blip:

[Finn]

For once I would have to disagree with you Finn.
If the benefits were slashed tomorrow there'd be even more shitbags out there robbing/mugging/home invading the working masses, and selling more P to school kids. In fact there'd probably be a sudden flood of carjackings and other shit hardly heard of now.
We'd probably need every cent of the "savings" just to keep up with the increase in crime and all the new prisons we'd have to build to house the fuckers committing it.

So the benefit is a crime fighting tool huh? So if it was that easy then why don't we pay shit bags more money then? How much will it take? $500 per week? $1000 per week? Most people that are on the benefit are just lazy no bodies.

Look at what the did in NY. It works if you fix all the bleading heart and grow some balls.