The Twins Thread

[Lou Girardin]

It's disturbing that one of the main protagonists in this thread used his mod 'power' to close it.
It should have been someone else.

[The_Dover]

It's disturbing that one of the main protagonists in this thread used his mod 'power' to close it.


I wonder if he was wearing his underpants over the top of his leathers when he used his special powers?

[spudchucka]

It's disturbing that one of the main protagonists in this thread used his mod 'power' to close it.
It should have been someone else.

True but it was a rubbish thread and it served no purpose other than to inflate Mr Popularity's own ego.

[The_Dover]

I dunno Spud, I quite enjoyed some of the hypocrites getting pissy and resorting to personal insults that they so abhorr.

[Squeak the Rat]

Yeah, the lets-get-the-last-word-in before I close it approach was a bit off I thought, regardless of viewpoint.

[ManDownUnder]

I dunno Spud, I quite enjoyed some of the hypocrites getting pissy and resorting to personal insults that they so abhorr.

Does this mean I can call you a bastard yet... or does that whole married parents things still stand?

[The_Dover]

I don't know.

Can I be a post-marital bastard as they are now divorced? Is there a word for that?

[SPman]

All about this?
So much angst....
"Walk with me on this one folks, yesterday the Herald on Sunday proclaimed “Twin baby girls deaths prompt homicide investigation’ – now I thought about that, and it seemed curious to me that the Police would automatically launch a homicide without getting a post-mortem first. Unless there was clear evidence of suspicious cause, surely the Police would wait, especially with the sensitivities you would give any grieving parent.

As if the death of a child couldn’t be ‘worse’, the pain must be expediential because it is twins.

Now add to all of this pain the ‘suggestion’ that ‘another Maori twin is murdered’. Add to the grief the hint in the media that the family is another Kahui beneficiary cluster/tumor. Is this the new low we accept from the media? That we would all jump to a negative conclusion, is that the ‘light’ our news media provides on important social issues, so that when innocent until proven guilty is really needed, we all fail the test?

The Police were very quick today to say that they were waiting for the coroner as the post-mortem said the death wasn’t suspicious. They also complained that it was the media who reported this as a Homicide Inquiry when that wasn’t their intent.

The horrible conclusion seems to be that dead maaaaris sell papers, because it secretly matches what the media have told us to believe.

What an ugly time we live in. "
Bomber

[Quasievil]

You are right in questioning it, however the fact is that Finn asked me to close it, so I did

[onearmedbandit]

Fair enough then, but I must say the 'getting the last word in' was a bit off.

[Quasievil]

Yeah, the lets-get-the-last-word-in before I close it approach was a bit off I thought, regardless of viewpoint.


Youre Kidding right ,Finn the great antagonist,Finn the guy that accussed inocent parents of killing their children, Finn that calls Maoris Animals and even KB members were abused by his racsit tounge, Finn the guy that was wiggling like a lowlife abusing everyone on the thread right to the very end instead of apologising.

Yup I enjoyed re posting his abuse at the end of the thread so all will see what a racist idiot he is, that is the kind of CRAP that drags KB and its members down, he can go elsewhere and stay there

[Joni]

I reckon mods should realise that they are not in a place of power, rather in a place of service... its not about egos and how important people think they are, its about staying objective and doing what is right for KB, staying within in parameters that Spank has set us.

The only person who has the right to throw his weight around is Spank... its wierd... he knows it, you know it, I know it... but he does not, he just does what is needed for the site to run properly.

The thread did attract a few complaints and I did get a phone call about it as well... I agree it should have been locked - but maybe not in the way it was.

[onearmedbandit]

Well said Joni.

[Joni]

Oh and another thing guys... if you have an issue with what a Mod is doing please contact a Senior Mod and let them try and sort things out. If Hitch, myself or SP cant do it... it can be elevated to Spank.

[Sniper]

Im under the belief that what gets done gets done for a reason. I have had posts deleted or moved (120 in one day once ;)) and seen people complain for this that or the next thing.

IMHO, mods cop enough shit, if they do something its in the intrests of KB, no point in questioning it unless you feel genuine enough its cause they went out of their way to "get" at you

S

[Fatjim]

I'd like to complain about the mods.

They don't warn me, abuse me, move my threads (often) or close my threads. What do I have to do?

[Joni]

I'd like to complain about the mods.

They don't warn me, abuse me, move my threads (often) or close my threads. What do I have to do?Post more crap like would be a good start :msn-wink:

[Squeak the Rat]

Youre Kidding right ,Finn the great antagonist,Finn the guy that accussed inocent parents of killing their children, Finn that calls Maoris Animals and even KB members were abused by his racsit tounge, Finn the guy that was wiggling like a lowlife abusing everyone on the thread right to the very end instead of apologising.

Yup I enjoyed re posting his abuse at the end of the thread so all will see what a racist idiot he is, that is the kind of CRAP that drags KB and its members down, he can go elsewhere and stay there

Your opinion of Finn was pretty clear by half way through the thread. No need to reiterate it here.

And please, no need to keep telling us how bad KB has become that it's full of idiots and tossers. It's a bit insulting.

[The_Dover]

Quasi, either get involved in the debate/slanging match/handbag war as a participant, on an equal footing to all others, or intervene as a moderate, with no personal opinion, and enforce the rules.

Don't blur the boundaries and abuse your power whilst still slinging the same kind of childish abuse that you are trying to extinguish.

It makes you look like a power tripping prefect that pokes their tongue out behind the headmasters back.

Joni has recently been taking a good approach towards moderating, I know we have had run ins in the past, but I believe that her approach is much better these days.

http://sportsbike.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=616&postcount=19

I still fuckin hate cencorship though so you're still a pack of cunts.

Sorry.

[Joni]

Dover - my style has not changed, I always try and stay as fair as possible... however you and I have had run ins because of the crap you have posted in the past... I would deal with it in the same way today as I did 6 months ago.

Re censorship - Spank is the first to say NO sensorship... that is why we try and delete as little as possible.

[The_Dover]

I disagree Joni, I'm not the only one that has noticed a change. Maybe subconscious and I know personal relationships have been involved in the past.

Are you trying to insinuate my crap-o-meter is in need of a tune up?

[Joni]

Are you trying to insinuate my crap-o-meter is in need of a tune up?Piss off :bleh:

[Quartida]

Youre Kidding right ,Finn the great antagonist,Finn the guy that accussed inocent parents of killing their children, Finn that calls Maoris Animals and even KB members were abused by his racsit tounge, Finn the guy that was wiggling like a lowlife abusing everyone on the thread right to the very end instead of apologising.

Yup I enjoyed re posting his abuse at the end of the thread so all will see what a racist idiot he is, that is the kind of CRAP that drags KB and its members down, he can go elsewhere and stay there

Sorry Quasi. I totally agreed with you in the original thread, but such is the nature of the web. We allow all opinions onto KB - no censorship - and because of that we need to respect it when people have different opinions to us, even if their opinions are absolutely diametrically opposed to ours.

While I didn't agree with Finn, his comments represent a viewpoint that is shared by a number of people. OK, so his way of explaining them was a little rude and insulting to some of us but hey - there are rude and insulting people all the time in life: sometimes you've just got to get on with it. And some equally rude and insulting things were said back by people who I agreed with in principle, which made me realise that EVERY opinion is going to rub someone up the wrong way. Just because it's going to be controversial doesn't mean we should stop it in its tracks. Sometimes controversial things have to be discussed - in order to instigate change.

I know I'm still a newbie here and unable to really comment on these sorts of issues, but I think the great thing about a site like this is that we allow differences of opinion without getting personal about it. And I think this one got a bit personal.

[James Deuce]

I'd like to complain about the mods.

They don't warn me, abuse me, move my threads (often) or close my threads. What do I have to do?

Just keep listing the wrong bike in your profile. It'll piss me off enough to start a letter writing campaign to the mods to get you banned.

[Quasievil]

Hey I will be the first to stand up and say I got stuck into the guy, but I did that as a member not as a mod, choices I had throughtout the whole thread were numerous had I chosen to excersise them, ie when he abused members I could have red flagged him, I could have done a few things, but I didnt.
Finn sent me a PM and requested me to stop the thread Mr Dover, thats why I did close the thread, yes I left a parting shot big deal, get over it

Im not standing here apologizing for that meat head after his performance any more than he is going to apologize to the KB members for the abuse and shit stirring he caused.

[The_Dover]

and that is why you are no better than you perceive him to be Quasi.

With power comes responsibility.

[Fatjim]

Just keep listing the wrong bike in your profile. It'll piss me off enough to start a letter writing campaign to the mods to get you banned.

Hey it's coming. I've updated my profile pick though.

I've still got the VTR mind.

[The Stranger]

I wonder if he was wearing his underpants over the top of his leathers when he used his special powers?

Why do I have spread rep around first?

[Quasievil]

and that is why you are no better than you perceive him to be Quasi.

With power comes responsibility.


No Not really Dover, this is now about a Mod arguing with another member, do you think becuase Im a mod I cant sling it out with the shit stirrers on this site if I do so choose?
Im subjected to the same rules as you and everyone else.

Everyone knows Finn is a stirrer as are you, you admitted that to me yesterday noting thats why you wont come to my new site because you prefer to stir for reactions I quote your "social experiment".

If someone posts something I want to challenge, then like anyone else I will challenge it, if as a response to that challenge they start hacking with abuse, Im ready and quite able to bash it out with Mr Finn or any of the other shit stirrers who frequent this or any other site, dont expect me to apologize for it either.

I will go and reopen the thread in question so you can continue it with your mate Finn.

Cheers

[Joni]

Quasi - it was agreed it needed to be closed, I think people were questioning the way it was done... opening it again does not achieve anything.

[The_Dover]

May I suggest you wear looser fitting underwear Mr Quasiego?

I was never involved in the thread in question until it got to the point of missing the point, bar one jibe totally unrelated to the subject in question.

I wont come to your new site for a variety of reasons and if you can't accept with good grace that I do not wish to disrespect your stated rules then I'm totally bemused.

I, for one, do not wish to talk solely about bikes, sportsbikes or topics which are only deemed worthy by those with the power to edit, censor or pass judgement on my intellect and morality via the mystical medium of the internet.

Perhaps now you have your own little power trip on the side you should hang up your moderators gloves on KB?

By all means mix it up, but don't expect to garner any respect when trying to chastise people for partaking in the same "stirring" and personal attacks as yourself.

[Quasievil]

May I suggest you wear looser fitting underwear Mr Quasiego?

Thanks will consider that



I was never involved in the thread in question until it got to the point of missing the point, bar one jibe totally unrelated to the subject in question.


Yeah I know



I wont come to your new site for a variety of reasons and if you can't accept with good grace that I do not wish to disrespect your stated rules then I'm totally bemused.


I accpet that in good grace and am thankful, but you are welcome



I, for one, do not wish to talk solely about bikes, sportsbikes or topics which are only deemed worthy by those with the power to edit, censor or pass judgement on my intellect and morality via the mystical medium of the internet.


well worded




Perhaps now you have your own little power trip on the side you should hang up your moderators gloves on KB?


Nah planning on getting other Mods to do it on the new site, I still love KB



By all means mix it up, but don't expect to garner any respect when trying to chastise people for partaking in the same "stirring" and personal attacks as yourself


I tag on to the shit stirring underway by major shit stirrers so eventually they go away, and it seems to work at least for a short while, and this is good

[Quasievil]

Quasi - it was agreed it needed to be closed, I think people were questioning the way it was done... opening it again does not achieve anything.

Close open close open, okay will close

[Quasievil]

There you go, closed. And the last word now wasnt mine, so everything is fixed? great!

[terbang]

I read through the origional thread and thought it was nothing but a lot of (very uninformed) racist diatribe. My view is that racism has no place on this board. However it looks like the real outcome of this tragedy will no doubt leave some egg on some of those very vocal faces. We, as a minority group in this country are often maligned with an undeserved image. I find it rediculous that a relatively large proportion of our posters, those that often squeal about getting their own fair representation, can easily jump on the band wagon and racially malign others based on scant information.

[The_Dover]

can you open it again so I can have the last word?

bugger.

[Quasievil]

can you open it again so I can have the last word?

bugger.

Yup open now

[James Deuce]

Hey it's coming. I've updated my profile pick though.

I've still got the VTR mind.

You can put BOTH bikes in. BOTH.

[Mooch]

FFS, This is only an online forum, If all people do is bitch about mods then life is pretty good. As to bitching about mods , these people donate time to keep the site reasonably on track, plenty of forums online with no mods that have turned to sh!t .The twins posting a perfect example. A few more of those and many of us wouldn’t bother. If you've got a problem with it, become a mod.

As to Finns bulls!it postings, I'm glad it got shut down regardless of who did it / who asked for it. What the guy has gained in terms of financial gain he's lost in emotional intelligence. Used to have some respect for the guy. That’s dropped to nothing. But then again, who cares.....haven’t met him , wouldn’t want to meet him. No doubt due to part of my ethnic background he wouldn’t want to meet me. Finns loss. :whocares:

Anyway, back to motorcycling :drinkup: Where's that Motogp thread !

[SPman]

Whats MotoGP ?







Ummmmm Hayden by a nose.

[chanceyy]

all of the personal attacks and bulls**t that went on in the other thread we lost site of the real tragedy.

Two babies passed away due to unexplained reasons (yes over reacting before the full fact where in and jumping to conclusions did not do anyone any favors)

but this is on the heels of the previous real tragedy of the kahui twins .. where still no one has been charged with those murders ... that killer is still among society, smirking in the face of NZders with getting away with it ..

how different the two pictures are .. firstly we have a family who obviously loved, cared for & wanted the girls, who did not want for anything..... then we have the twin boys who suffered unimaginable pain, blatant cruelty, who were obviously not loved .. & needed everything ..

so instead of personal bashings & one upmanship ... why do we not take a moment to think of all the children in the last yr who have died at the hand of someone else.... look at your own children .. have you given them a hug today and told them you loved them ..... if not then get off here for a few minutes and just do it ...

[Motu]

What I got from the thread was the common denomonator of ALL New Zealander's to lay the blame - someone,or something is responsable....no reason,just they want to blame.This is a National trait,it goes beyond racial boundries,sportbikes or cruisers,Lux or Palmolive - do we want to be known as the Nation that takes no responsability,but makes someone else responsable???

[Colapop]

I have had trouble finding out about the shadowy world of mods. I couldn't find a FAQ about it apart from two lines saying mods do stuff (abridged). If people had a little more info would they bitch less? Probably not - we don't live in an ideal world...

[oldrider]

I think one of the strengths of KB is it's wide diversity of expressed opinions. Some of these comments etc are outside the acceptable limits of our own individual boundaries but it makes you think and readdress your own thoughts and feelings on the various subjects.
KB is one of the few mediums that offer these opportunities because of the lack of censorship and stifling PC rules.
The only censorship I adhere to is that which I place upon myself and this forum affords me ample opportunities to question my own standards and values.
Please do not turn this forum into just another run of the mill PC milksop rule infested wishy washy excuse for questioning our individual values with kid gloves on.
Our current crop of politicians (all parties) are doing it to the rest of the country, without us doing it to ourselves too.
People like FINN are a breath of fresh air, you can listen and debate but it's not compulsory to agree with him. (personal responsibility and accountability)
C'mon lets keep challenging each other, it keeps us awake. :yes: John.

[Swoop]

What I got from the thread was the common denomonator of ALL New Zealander's to lay the blame - someone,or something is responsable....no reason,just they want to blame.
I have to disagree there.
I personally wanted the truth and the facts placed on the table before coming to any conclusion.
I still await these facts from the coroner, and also view the media with distrust.

[The_Dover]

and also view the media with distrust.


the only media I trust has glossy pages and very few words......

[Quasievil]

With things like this in them ????

[Swoop]

the only media I trust has glossy pages and very few words......

I remember using toilet paper like that once. R.A.F. issue. I was sure it could be rinsed clean and re-used... (probably teflon coated).

[Edbear]

and also view the media with distrust.



You can't trust the Media.....??!!!:gob:

It's not all about ratings and money... honest it's not...!:yes:

[RT527]

Hmmm yet a 6 month old baby died of cot death in Kerepehi on the weekend and there was nothing about it in the news, and they were a maori family too.

[Motu]

I have to disagree there.
I personally


I also wouldn't personaly comment on the issue until all the facts are known - but that is not what was happening on thread was it? They all knew the facts....even if they were inventing them out of their own minds.

[James Deuce]

Hmmm yet a 6 month old baby died of cot death in Kerepehi on the weekend and there was nothing about it in the news, and they were a maori family too.

You've got more than a point there.

I think we should all punch the next journalist that we see in the mouth, as justifiable retribution for supporting the continued descent of NZ journalism into the sewer.

[WINJA]

I reckon mods should realise that they are not in a place of power, rather in a place of service... its not about egos and how important people think they are, its about staying objective and doing what is right for KB, staying within in parameters that Spank has set us.

The only person who has the right to throw his weight around is Spank... its wierd... he knows it, you know it, I know it... but he does not, he just does what is needed for the site to run properly.

The thread did attract a few complaints and I did get a phone call about it as well... I agree it should have been locked - but maybe not in the way it was.

YOUR THE MOD THAT TOLD ME NOT TO TYPE IN COULOURS AND BIG LETTERS , THATS ABUSING YOUR POWER AND THROWING YOUR WEIGHT AROUND ISNT IT

[Joni]

YOUR THE MOD THAT TOLD ME NOT TO TYPE IN COULOURS AND BIG LETTERS , THATS ABUSING YOUR POWER AND THROWING YOUR WEIGHT AROUND ISNT ITNo abuse of power would have been if I delete all the abuse you have thrown at me...

As always WINJA you turn things around to make them suit you and not the entire picture... please go pick on someone else, my days of worrying about you and what you think of me all long over....

[Swoop]

What I got from the thread was the common denomonator of ALL New Zealander's to lay the blame - someone,or something is responsable...


I have to disagree there.
I personally wanted the truth and the facts placed on the table before coming to any conclusion.
I still await these facts from the coroner, and also view the media with distrust.


I also wouldn't personaly comment on the issue until all the facts are known - but that is not what was happening on thread was it? They all knew the facts....even if they were inventing them out of their own minds.

Your initial statement was that ALL of us had been classified as jumping to a conclusion without the facts. Some members of this site did exactly that in this thread, but some of us did not, as I stated. You are putting all of us (both you and I as well) in the category of those vehemently posting in that thread.

[Hitcher]

Well that was an informative read.

[Beemer]

I think we should all punch the next journalist that we see in the mouth, as justifiable retribution for supporting the continued descent of NZ journalism into the sewer.

Thanks for tarring us all with the same brush, Jim. Try punching me in the mouth and you'd find out how much four years of competitive karate training hurts when I hit you back.

Blaming ALL journalists for the crap you read in SOME papers/see on SOME television shows is like assuming ALL Maori harm their children. Try living in a country where freedom of the press is non-existent and see how you like it.

[Hitcher]

Ahh, the joys of attempting written communication sans smilies. I think Jim2 and I should both have added a "dripping with sacasm" smilie to our respective efforts...

[James Deuce]

Thanks for tarring us all with the same brush, Jim. Try punching me in the mouth and you'd find out how much four years of competitive karate training hurts when I hit you back.

Blaming ALL journalists for the crap you read in SOME papers/see on SOME television shows is like assuming ALL Maori harm their children. Try living in a country where freedom of the press is non-existent and see how you like it.

Oh build a bridge and get over it.

I'm not putting "p/t" at the end of every post, and I'm not even going to begin to explain the meaning of the work irony.

[Sniper]

Hmmm, this thread is turning nasty

[SpankMe]

the only media I trust has glossy pages and very few words......


With things like this in them ????

nope, I learnt in chat that this (http://www.pinktranssexuals.com/images/models/ming/Horny-ladyboy-huge-cock.jpg) was more to WINJA's taste. :D

[Quasievil]

Thanks for tarring us all with the same brush, Jim. Try punching me in the mouth and you'd find out how much four years of competitive karate training hurts when I hit you back.


BWWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Sorry Jim that was funny

[Quasievil]

nope, I learnt in chat that this (http://www.pinktranssexuals.com/images/models/ming/Horny-ladyboy-huge-cock.jpg) was more to WINJA's taste. :D


Oh my FUCKEN GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:gob:

[Sniper]

Sweet Jesus Spank, my eyes

[mstriumph]

Oh my FUCKEN GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:gob:

... or fucken godDESS as the case may be :sick:

[Hitcher]

Thanks for the NWS warning...

[Squeak the Rat]

Always hover the mouse over any link and check in the bottom left of the browser (if using internet explorer). Eg www.trademe.co.nz (www.gayzoo.com) is not what you think..... (NWS and not even sure it exists.....)

[Beemer]

Oh build a bridge and get over it.

I'm not putting "p/t" at the end of every post, and I'm not even going to begin to explain the meaning of the work irony.

Is that like when you work a full week but get paid sweet FA for your efforts?

[Joni]

Hmmm the twins we were talking about originally are certainly not the "twins" I saw in that pic.... *shudder*

[Fatjim]

Thanks for tarring us all with the same brush, Jim. Try punching me in the mouth and you'd find out how much four years of competitive karate training hurts when I hit you back.



I heard women don't hit back.

[Beemer]

I heard women don't hit back.

Whoever told you that was a liar! I certainly do! And hard!

[placidfemme]

nope, I learnt in chat that this (http://www.pinktranssexuals.com/images/models/ming/Horny-ladyboy-huge-cock.jpg) was more to WINJA's taste. :D

lol you always seem to find the nastiest pictures.... ewww

[Swoop]

Aaaahhh!!!

MEIN EYES!!!:shit:

[oldrider]

Whoever told you that was a liar! I certainly do! And hard!

"some" people "like" to be hit, hard by a lady! :spanking: Could be a business opportunity here. :innocent: (Name withheld for personal safety reasons) Joke! :shit:

[WINJA]

nope, I learnt in chat that this (http://www.pinktranssexuals.com/images/models/ming/Horny-ladyboy-huge-cock.jpg) was more to WINJA's taste. :D

SPANK YA CUNT

[Skyryder]

As to Finns bulls!it postings, I'm glad it got shut down regardless of who did it / who asked for it. What the guy has gained in terms of financial gain he's lost in emotional intelligence. Used to have some respect for the guy. That’s dropped to nothing. But then again, who cares.....haven’t met him , wouldn’t want to meet him. No doubt due to part of my ethnic background he wouldn’t want to meet me. Finns loss. :whocares:

'Bout sums up my attitude too.

Skyryder

[Finn]

'Bout sums up my attitude too.

Skyryder

Fuck, and here's me thinking that we had so much in common that we'd be friends for life.

Oh well, I've always got Dover I guess.

[Finn]

As to Finns bulls!it postings, I'm glad it got shut down regardless of who did it / who asked for it. What the guy has gained in terms of financial gain he's lost in emotional intelligence. Used to have some respect for the guy. That’s dropped to nothing. But then again, who cares.....haven’t met him , wouldn’t want to meet him. No doubt due to part of my ethnic background he wouldn’t want to meet me. Finns loss. :whocares:

:crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :violin: :violin: :violin:

[Paul in NZ]

You've got more than a point there.

I think we should all punch the next journalist that we see in the mouth, as justifiable retribution for supporting the continued descent of NZ journalism into the sewer.

Was talking to my daughter the other day on the long commute home...

She is taking a media paper and they had John Campbell as guest speaker and she found it really interesting. Particularly his view on the duality of selling papers / TV time vrs your personal views and integrity...

His highest rating show.... Interview with Nicki Watson.....

Lowest Rating .... The Prime Minister.

I guess his point is, has journalisim dumbed down the audience or is the audience getting what it wants?

Em reckoned it was utterly fascinating and she really learnt a heck of a lot about the business - shame most of the people doing the paper didn't agree - not compulsary so less than half turned up...

[Beemer]

Must confess the media wouldn't bother writing stories about so-called celebrities if no one wanted to read them and the same goes for television I suppose. Not that I expect them to be, but most people aren't that impressed when they hear what I do for a living. Pisses me off sometimes because I don't spend my life muckraking and writing crap about people, but sometimes I just tell them I'm a proofreader - it's part of what I do and doesn't normally cause offence!

News used to be about things that happen but now a lot of it is created news by people who want to remain in the public eye. Bit like tv - if you don't like it, do something else - don't read it/watch it!