Giveway Rule @ Roundabouts

[Filterer]

I had a rather heated discussion the other day about how to get around the panmure roundabout....

Ive included two sketches, excuse the bad drawing

the first one shows the roundabout, three lanes coming in from EP Highway and two going down lagoon drive

There are two ways that you can look at what lane goes where....

In the first the car in the middle lane takes the left hand lane exit and the car in the right hand lane takes the right hand lane exit at lagoon drive.

In the second the car in the far left hand lane could go all the way around the roundabout (or have got on at say jellicoe rd) and take the left hand lane exit at lagoon and the car in the middle takes the right hand exit lane. The car closet to the middle then has to keep going around...... unless there is no one in the middle lane so they can nip into that lane

I have seen both but am yet to see an accident, which interpretation is right??

[Maverick]

I had a rather heated discussion the other day about how to get around the panmure roundabout....

Ive included two sketches, excuse the bad drawing

the first one shows the roundabout, three lanes coming in from EP Highway and two going down lagoon drive

There are two ways that you can look at what lane goes where....

In the first the car in the middle lane takes the left hand lane exit and the car in the right hand lane takes the right hand lane exit at lagoon drive.

In the second the car in the far left hand lane could go all the way around the roundabout (or have got on at say jellicoe rd) and take the left hand lane exit at lagoon and the car in the middle takes the right hand exit lane. The car closet to the middle then has to keep going around...... unless there is no one in the middle lane so they can nip into that lane

I have seen both but am yet to see an accident, which interpretation is right??


Its a bloody awful intersection,

Personally I just close my eyes and twist the throttle! ARRRHHHHHHHHH:crazy:

[Maha]

Im with Maverick...either that or go another way....

[Filterer]

When I go through i generally take the 1st option in the far right hand lane, massive over the shoulder head checks to ensure no one is coming down the other lane and then as you say blast off to the exit before carnage arrives

[outlawtorn]

my suggestion is to move to the North Shore, where there isn't any bloody silly intersections like that....... :bleh:

[Filterer]

my suggestion is to move to the North Shore, where there isn't any bloody silly intersections like that....... :bleh:

Um but then id have to live on the north shore........:shit:

[Ixion]

There is no other way. If you live in Panmure you have to go through the roundabout.

And there is no "right" way to deal with that roundabout. It is too complex for the rules

I wrote to the dude in Christchurch who was responsible for drawing up the new roundabout indicator rules, and sent him a photo of the Panmure roundabout. He shat his pants and said "We don't have ANYTHING like that down here. People will just have to do the best they can. Wibble. Wibble". (I sent him the Royal Oak one , too)

I've navigated that roundabout an average of 3 or 4 times a day for years. I've never seen an accident on it, though I've had some close misses. In a few cases I've ridden right round it to have another go.

Worst problem is people coming from Ellerslie Highway, in lane 2 wanting to go left up Jellicoe Rd, and cutting across in front of people in lane 1 wanting to go straight ahead down Queens Rd.

Both your scenarios are "correct" . Or "wrong"

[sexy beast]

thats the most craziest round about man, i've been there and i usually take the far left lane coz i get off Jellicoe rd that way, but yea if you miss your gaze you're a gonna! some stupid cagers even cross lanes within the roundabout, now thats dangerous.

[Ixion]

Panmure roundabout is the classic example of a road so obviously dangerous that it's safe. Cos it looks so frightening people actually wake up and pay attention.

Make ALL roads apparently difficult and dangerous, I say.

[Warr]

Try this one then.
The car in the lefthand lane shouldnt go past more than 1 exit.
Problem solved

[Filterer]

some stupid cagers even cross lanes within the roundabout, now thats dangerous.

dude you have to if your in the lane closest to the middle otherwise ud never get off:bye:

[Filterer]

Try this one then.
The car in the lefthand lane shouldnt go past more than 1 exit.
Problem solved

Kinda works here buts theres a tiny little road before jellicoe rd called mountain road and really the left hand lane goes to both of them....so in this case the left hand lane can only go to the first two exits



Worst problem is people coming from Ellerslie Highway, in lane 2 wanting to go left up Jellicoe Rd, and cutting across in front of people in lane 1 wanting to go straight ahead down Queens Rd.
See above, I dont think they should be

[Drunken Monkey]

Try this one then.
The car in the lefthand lane shouldnt go past more than 1 exit.
Problem solved

No, that's a minor rd [mountain rd] that heads up to only a few places. Hardly anyone coming from Ellerslie uses that road, they get to that industrial area further east (usually from Forge)

At least the roundabout is large, you have plenty of room to maneuvre and/or plant it to get on to the intersection. The Royal Oak one is so damn small, everything seems to happen a lot faster.

BTW, the way I approach it is:
LEFT LANE = Jellicoe Rd or Mountain Rd
MIDDLE LANE = 'Straight ahead' through to Queens Rd
RIGHT LANE = For Lagoon Drive or Ireland Rd

[rvf'er]

Personally I use your method #1 but each time I go round that bloody roundabout in the cage with the missus she gives me a big lecture about how im doing it wrong. If ya check ya blindspots a quadzillion times and just keep going around the roundabout in your lane if theres an issue then you'll be sweet

[Filterer]

Personally I use your method #1 but each time I go round that bloody roundabout in the cage with the missus she gives me a big lecture about how im doing it wrong. If ya check ya blindspots a quadzillion times and just keep going around the roundabout in your lane if theres an issue then you'll be sweet

yea lol thats who my debate was with as well

[Ixion]

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See above, I dont think they should be

I think they ought not either, but there's no explicit road markings. And people wanting to go down Queens Rd don't want to be in lane 2 , because then they risk getting hit by traffic coming out of Jellicoe Rd when they cross Lane 1 to get to Queens Rd. And there isn't room between Jellicoe Rd and Queens Rd to move over, and people coming out of the Burger King/Ten Pin Bowling area further back Ellerslie Highway don't have time in heavy traffic to get right across to the left .

Plus the left into Jellicoe Rd is TWO lanes. So if the left lane of those two is for traffic from Lane 1 on Ellerslie Highway, where does the traffic in lane 2 of Jellicoe Rd come from. So if you are coming down Ellerslie Highway , and want to turn into Jellicoe Rd, then into the supermarket car park (as a lot do), it's quite sensible to take lane 2 on Ellerslie Highway, which leads you into the right of the two lanes turning down Jellicoe Rd. But you have to cross in front of traffic in lane 1 of the roundabout going straight ahead to Queens Rd

Reality is the roundaboputs an impossible design. There're too many lanes (I think there are 26 lanes entering this roundabout !), and no space at all between the roads, they all come to an actual point at the roundabout. So you can't even signal, cos as soon as you are past the previous turn you are actually turning down your exit.

[SPman]

I'd just see a gap and go for it!
Reckon the Royal Oak one is worse!

[Filterer]

Sorry Ixon i don't think i made myself clear...
I dont think the left hand lane should be going past jellicoe rd and the middle lane definitly is able to get off on the right hand lane of jellicoe.

[Filterer]

I'd just see a gap and go for it!
Reckon the Royal Oak one is worse!

Im not worried about either of them and certainly wouldn't change the way I go, I live near the Panmure one now and grew up near the royal oak one...the royal oak on is only two lanes though so less confusion about which lane you should be in but as the entries/exits are so much closer together you have to get in there a lot quicker

[Motu]

I miss the tree - it was the best Xmas tree in Auckland.Maru,the local cop told us we should be able to take it at 50mph...what happened to the days when the cops set the standard eh? 53 years next week I've been going through that roundabout,although it's a rare event if I go near it these days - and never seen an accident.If you do it everyday it works.....if you come across it for the first time it must be a nightmare.

[Ixion]

Sorry Ixon i don't think i made myself clear...
I dont think the left hand lane should be going past jellicoe rd and the middle lane definitly is able to get off on the right hand lane of jellicoe.

But then traffic in the middle lane intending to go down Queens Rd gets collected by cars coming out of Jellice Rd , who assume that the oncoming vehicle in the middle lane is going down Lagoon Drive. And there's almost no time to signal after clearing Jellicoe Rd, before Queens Rd.

[Searchin']

Panmure roundabout is the classic example of a road so obviously dangerous that it's safe. Cos it looks so frightening people actually wake up and pay attention.

Make ALL roads apparently difficult and dangerous, I say.
This is actually a hidden gem.

It's like motorcycling in general; it's more dangerous so we pay more attention.

On that note I think all corners should have a negative cambre.