Who's coming to BOB?

[Buddha#81]

Other than the normal CHCH crew who is comming to Battle of Buckets. Any other North Islanders that those pre entered. I'll be there on the cb/xl 150 and giving F5 a Nudge on the Pitard on cheap chinese tyres:shit: . All spectators are welcome with free entry,:scooter: you may just end up on the infeild with a flag in you hand.

[steve k]

Im definatley coming. Havent put an entry in yet and will probably run out of time to do it before the day.

I take it enter on the day is still an option?

How much is sign on for the bears round in the arvo?

[k14]

I take it enter on the day is still an option?
You better confirm that, i thought it was pre entry only.

[steve k]

You better confirm that, i thought it was pre entry only.

Just checked entry form. Didnt relise it said late entries may be accepted. better get my skates on and send an entry.

Can I pay by internet banking. Do not own a cheque book? Pm me dangerous if this is possible please.

cheers

[Buddha#81]

Just checked entry form. Didnt relise it said late entries may be accepted. better get my skates on and send an entry.

Can I pay by internet banking. Do not own a cheque book? Pm me dangerous if this is possible please.

cheers

Too late cut off was last friday! Hope you can get your money back for the Ferry.

Nah just pulling ya leg pay up on sunday and save ya-self a stamp. I'll put it to the other organisers that Nth Islanders wont have to pay the extra $5 for the late entry its costing ya enough to get here as it is, see you next Sunday.:scooter:

[Buddha#81]

You better confirm that, i thought it was pre entry only.

You riding or has ya hair turned red and ya now have a pussy?:sick:

[k14]

Nope not me, won't be able to kick your arse again. Got a thing called work. Bucket is still broken anyway.

[steve k]

Too late cut off was last friday! Hope you can get your money back for the Ferry.

Nah just pulling ya leg pay up on sunday and save ya-self a stamp. I'll put it to the other organisers that Nth Islanders wont have to pay the extra $5 for the late entry its costing ya enough to get here as it is, see you next Sunday.:scooter:


Nice one spud could with an extra fiva for the aftermatch.

[madkeenandy]

i would be there but oh no one week from BOB i just had to go and break my wrist snowboarding, :crybaby: it hurts even writing this, stupid hard ground...

so looks like you got yourself an extra flaggie spud...

[dangerous]

I'll put it to the other organisers that Nth Islanders wont have to pay the extra $5 for the late entry its costing ya enough to get here as it is

Ohh I think we can do better than that, lets just see how the day goes aye.

Steve, $40 for the afternoons racing... we will look aftaer ya :mellow:


i would be there but oh no one week from BOB i just had to go and break my wrist snowboarding, :crybaby: it hurts even writing this, stupid hard ground...

so looks like you got yourself an extra flaggie spud...

You fucking great big ninkinpoop... well that will learn ya for messing about in the snow playing a gay girls game... try real boarding mate, behind a 200hp boat :yes:

guttered man, so you are a defnit out then???

[Buddha#81]

i would be there but oh no one week from BOB i just had to go and break my wrist snowboarding, :crybaby: it hurts even writing this, stupid hard ground...

so looks like you got yourself an extra flaggie spud...

You silly little buggar. Flaggie offer accepted only if you black flag your old man! See you at the meeting later this week.

[speedpro]

Boy has cub camp this weekend, work is full on and no days off are organised, no ferry stuff is booked, no ride organised for me or bike, but you never know, I wouldn't mind turning up. I think the bucket still goes. It's got newer tyres and a new rear shock(the old one snapped) but apart from that it's exactly the same as last time I was down there. I am a bit closer, living in Wellington now.

[madkeenandy]

If i'm gonna be a flaggie then ive got first dibs on the hairpin, although im not sure how im gonna go carrying a fire extenguisher with one hand!

I NEED TO WEAR WRISTGUARDS! WHAAAAHHH!!!!!

:crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby:

[madkeenandy]

guttered man, so you are a defnit out then???

YES unless i try to ride for 55 minutes with my right arm in plaster. If it was my left arm i would have done it as who needs a clutch, anyway?

[dangerous]

If i'm gonna be a flaggie then ive got first dibs on the hairpin, although im not sure how im gonna go carrying a fire extenguisher with one hand!

I NEED TO WEAR WRISTGUARDS! WHAAAAHHH!!!!!

:crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby:

I guess playing with ya winky is out too :shutup:

There are 16 pre entrys in and none are the local big shots, so its looking like a sweet w/e comming.
Estamating 30 entrys. :scooter:

[madkeenandy]

hah hah hah.....

[TygerTung]

I'll be definatly there, looks like I'll be on the day entry though as I spent my money on a new rear tire:P

[Rashika]

You riding or has ya hair turned red and ya now have a pussy?:sick:

OI!!! :nono:

and I WILL be there... be scared boys, VERY scared! heheheeeeeeeeee

[Buddha#81]

OI!!! :nono:

and I WILL be there... be scared boys, VERY scared! heheheeeeeeeeee

SCARED what of...........:spanking: ?

[Joni]

Spud if I was a betting woman I would be betting on your bro taking the main race... will his bike hold the distance??

[Rashika]

SCARED what of...........:spanking: ?

;) well you never know...

[Buddha#81]

Spud if I was a betting woman I would be betting on your bro taking the main race... will his bike hold the distance??

The good old turtle..............

[F5 Dave]

Boy has cub camp this weekend, work is full on and no days off are organised, no ferry stuff is booked, no ride organised for me or bike, but you never know, I wouldn't mind turning up. I think the bucket still goes. It's got newer tyres and a new rear shock(the old one snapped) but apart from that it's exactly the same as last time I was down there. I am a bit closer, living in Wellington now.

Ruapuna, your bike? I really am booked this weekend, but I'd love to steal it for the weekend & go give the SI guys the learn-up on it.

My 125 will be more a short cct bike (getting closer to running), but I will bring it down next decent race like BOB I promise. How about Blenhiem? & who's going to the Taupo end of year all classes (including bears & buckets) dig?

[Rashika]

The good old turtle..............
yup slow and steady wins the race huh? hmmmmm ...maybe I DO have a chance :2thumbsup :lol:

[Kickaha]

Ruapuna, your bike? I really am booked this weekend, but I'd love to steal it for the weekend & go give the SI guys the learn-up on it.




Excuses,excuses, admit it you're running scared :bleh:

[dangerous]

Spud if I was a betting woman I would be betting on your bro taking the main race...

I wouldn't be too sure of that... I have info that a real 'pro' may be rocking up

[madkeenandy]

I wouldn't be too sure of that... I have info that a real 'pro' may be rocking up

and who might that be, as i'm out ;)

[k14]

I wouldn't be too sure of that... I have info that a real 'pro' may be rocking up
oi, i told you to keep that quiet :mad:

[madkeenandy]

Name?! Bike?!!

[Buddha#81]

oi, i told you to keep that quiet :mad:

Ya dick why dont you let ya own cat out of the bag.

[Skunk]

Hope you guys have oraganised something for Saturday night so we can meet some of the Chch KBers...

[Tim 39]

i would be there but oh no one week from BOB i just had to go and break my wrist snowboarding, why were you snowboarding anyway, if you hada gon racing instead maybe this wouldn't have happened :p but there again.....

[madkeenandy]

why were you snowboarding anyway, if you hada gon racing instead maybe this wouldn't have happened :p but there again.....

Yer well if there had been a race meeting on that day, of course i would have been racing rather that snowboarding.....

stupid ice...

[dangerous]

oi, i told you to keep that quiet :mad:

:killingme :killingme :tugger: .........:beer:


Name?! Bike?!!
waiting for confermation... ohh hang on just got that :2thumbsup


Ya dick why dont you let ya own cat out of the bag.

dick...:lol: todays under statement :2thumbsup

[oyster]

Definitely not going.
A heap of youngsters invited by the organisers to ride in a special F5 class put on for BOB. Why? Cos after months of planning, we get 30 hours notice via e-mail of safety concerns requiring their exclusion.
Apparently there will be some fast and competitive 50's coming, and no one wants the tragic responsibility of running over a young kid. Fair enough, but have these riders never heard of rule 6.10?

So if you're young and not too fast or confident, don't go. You're not welcome.

If you're older and looked forward to see the young future of the sport on display, sorry, you won't see it on Sunday. Suggest you come out next Saturday to the Motorcycling Canterbury meeting at Ruapuna.

If you're one of those not interested in making an effort to support young people in your support, be prepared to watch it rot away and die

Peter Jones
Junior Road Race Coord
South Island

[Kickaha]

Definitely not going.
A heap of youngsters invited by the organisers to ride in a special F5 class put on for BOB. Why? Cos after months of planning, we get 30 hours notice via e-mail of safety concerns requiring their exclusion.

You were emailed some time ago and told that any of the young guys that are eligible to race buckets and have eligible bikes are welcome to attend any of our meetings


Apparently there will be some fast and competitive 50's coming, and no one wants the tragic responsibility of running over a young kid. Fair enough, but have these riders never heard of rule 6.10?

rule 6.10 When over taking, the onus is on the over taking competitor to over take without causing interference to the overtaken competitor.

You should be the last person to spout of about that rule after running into me in a overtaking move and causing me to crash at Levels at a meeting a couple of years back and it was also you that caused Neil Batchelor to crash after running into him also while trying to pass at a meeting at Levels

And perhaps you are not aware of rules concerning the "young Junior road race riders"

Rule 15-17-3-4 Circuits- All racing for this class will be conducted on circuits with a maximum average speed of 40kmph and a maximum speed of 60kph. Circuits will be generally those utilised by go-karts, closed industrial type car parks. Racing for the class is specifically prohibited from Pukekohe Raceway, Centenial Park, Manfield, Ruapuna, Levels and Teretonga in their normal configuration. If the above circuits can safely modified or altered to accommodate the 40kph average and the 60kph maximum speed to the stewards satisfaction then these circuits may be used.

Rule 15-18-1 Riders over 10 years and under 13 years can only race against riders within this age.



so if you're young and not too fast or confident, don't go. You're not welcome.

Perhaps you are hard of hearing, so for your benefit I will repeat what has already been told to you on more than one occasion

any of the young guys (13 and above) that are eligible to race buckets and have eligible bikes are welcome to attend any of our meetings

Warwick Demmocks

[dangerous]

A heap of youngsters invited by the organisers to ride in a special F5 class put on for BOB. Why? Cos after months of planning, we get 30 hours notice via e-mail of safety concerns requiring their exclusion. Peter Jones
Junior Road Race Coord
South Island

Thats VERY incorect Pete.
Under 13yr olds were NEVER invited to the BOB the reason is MNZ rules NOT the Bucket Clubs rules DONT allow it.

Please by all means allow the over 13yr olds to come and race

Now you well know this, if not I think you should flag your MNZ steward thing cos ya not going to be very good at it ;)

[Joni]

Pete the thing is, I reckon that the fact that you are in charge of these young guys means you know all the rules… however you seem to be only choosing to quote the ones that suit your argument rather than being factual. As I have said once before today, I respect what you are doing for these young guys, I think its great… but the way you are going about it makes you loose a lot of credibility.

[TonyB]

Peter, I believe in what youre doing and I believe that it will have huge benifits for road racing in New Zealand. Some of the young guys and girls coming through the SportzFotoz Junior series already have an amazing amount of talent. However, there are risks involved in allowing young children to compete with adults, and because of this there are rules as mentioned above, which prevent young kids from being placed in a situation for which most of them aren't ready to cope with.

This was part of my submission to the Bucket Club on this issue:
Some people are aware that at an earlier round of the Bears Winter Series, there was a young fella circulating with a bib on during the bucket races. At the left hander that links the B track with the main track (where we turn off to go back to the pits), I was just about to go around the outside of this kid, who was hugging the inside of the corner, when he VERY abruptly decided to head into the pits at the very last possible moment. I came very very close to hitting him, and the rider behind me nearly hit us both. I had been keeping an eye on him as I approched and he gave no indication that he wanted to exit the track. He was positioned on the inside of the track, NOT the outside where he should have been if he wanted to exit. I mentioned this to Andy Mac, who went to talk to the kid concerned. All the kid said was "i was running out of fuel". He didn't seem to understand how dangerous his actions were.

I can't stress enough just how close I came to hitting him.

This is "The Battle of the Buckets", with top riders from around the country arriving to take part in what will be full on racing. This is not the right meeting to have inexperienced kids learning their race craft. People who have gone to the time and expense of preparing their bikes and getting to Chch for this meeting will NOT be happy if there are under thirteens circulating at under 60ks.

[Rashika]

Definitely not going.
A heap of youngsters invited by the organisers to ride in a special F5 class put on for BOB. Why? Cos after months of planning, we get 30 hours notice via e-mail of safety concerns requiring their exclusion.
snip...
If you're one of those not interested in making an effort to support young people in your support, be prepared to watch it rot away and die

quite frankly Pete I am astounded at your attitude. The bucket guys have looked into having the younger riders there, against the rules I might add and all you can do is insult them in emails to outside people.
Yes I have read your emails to various people, including the one today. Its a shame that others haven't, as I am astounded that some one who puts themself forward as a mentor can act in such a childish fashion.
It has been said by the others as to why the young riders cant race so i wont repeat it. Blaming the bucket guys for something that they cannot do anything about is pathetic. YOU cocked up by not confirming that it was okay for them to race at the BOB, LIVE WITH THAT! Dont blame someone else for it.

I have not raced much yet but i am loving it! I have never felt worried about the fast guys passing me, in fact I have no qualms about them at all cos they DO know what they are doing. Its the not so confident ones i will give a wide berth to...i can understand their nervousness, but i guess at least i have years of experience of morons on the road passing me stupidly that i dont flinch when i get passed. The younger ones dont have that and that can lead to mistakes happening... I totally agree with the MNZ rules about under 13s. they need to build up experience before being subject to lots of racers around them.
As had been said before Buckets are a class of racers who do take their racing seriously...they may not ride R1s and GSXRs but thats does not make them 2nd rate riders either. In fact watching someone like TonyB control that mongrel of his is damn encouraging to me ;)

[dangerous]

The bucket guys have looked into having the younger riders there, against the rules I might add and all you can do is insult them in emails to outside people.

This was todays email that was cc to me and meant for Thunderbike Nelson.

[Apparently some FAST and SERIOUS people will be there
and they're worried they'll take out the younger ones. It's all ego /
selfish bullshit. I give up with BEARS / Buckets.
A plan for you:
1) Stick to M/C Canty meetings where I get some support
2) Vent your frustration to the Buckets President who made
the promise]
Yes we are fast.. more than twice the speed that under 13's are restricted too
Fucking right we are worried... what were you expecting?
Ego and selfish bullshit huh? sorry you see it like that, take a look at your self
I am more than happy to have Ian at thunderbike vent his frustration at me... I will simply set him correct on a few things, and I never made any promises... in fact I have NEVER even spoken to you on this subject of the BOB

Pete, you bringing this up on KB will get some good reactions, reactions that you may not be happy to hear... you started it.

[Buddha#81]

I think its been said (and very well too). Pete you do an amazing job with the young racers of tomorrow and I commend you for giving your time freely to advance the sport we all love.

As one of the organisers of BOB I feel let down that you have put the blaim on us that the 11-12 yr olds can not race, when all we are doing is protecting "THE SPORT" and adhearing to what MNZ has ruled. The race permit will not let this age group ride at this meeting.

Pete please stop twisting the truth to make us look like the bad guys. You were sent an email several weeks ago outlining our concerns and you have obviously choosen to ignore this.

I hope this will not cast a shadow over the event which several guys have put alot of effort into getting it off the ground.

Brent Cotton

[ajturbo]

hey guys... luke and i are almost there, we are at "Stev k's " place and we are all packed and ready to kick your bitching butts:Pokey: :jerry:

so lock up ya mouths... it's too late
luke will give ya the "learn"
and i will be the one to teach ya all how to .... fall off with style.

[madkeenandy]

The battle of the bucket committee is not disallowing younger than 13 year olds to compete because of "ego problems" - it is because the MNZ rules and the permit that has been granted do NOT permit this to happen. It is beyond the control of the bucket people, we do not make the rules, we follow them.

[ajturbo]

[Apparently some FAST and SERIOUS people will be there
and they're worried
you had better be worried... when i start to crash..:banana:

[madkeenandy]

you had better be worried... when i start to crash..:banana:

you can't stop saying that can you....

which corner? i want to get a good spot!

[ajturbo]

you can't stop saying that can you....

which corner? i want to get a good spot!

take your pick..... but i am a bit concerned... no-one told me there were CORNERS...:Pokey: :mad:

[madkeenandy]

awwwww god... try not to do it in the hairpin on the first lap....





unless you take out dangerous.... :shifty:

[dangerous]

take your pick..... but i am a bit concerned... no-one told me there were CORNERS...:Pokey: :mad:

LMFAO... you do realise there are one or two corners between Wellington and Ruapuna aye... otherwise you may well be crashing before you even get to us.

[Skunk]

LMFAO... you do realise there are one or two corners between Wellington and Ruapuna aye... otherwise you may well be crashing before you even get to us.
This is getting harder all the time...

[stanko]

This is getting harder all the time...

Thats just because you are getting excited

[Kickaha]

awwwww god... try not to do it in the hairpin on the first lap....

unless you take out dangerous.... :shifty:

I did it on lap 2 but I missed the bastard:Pokey:

[Skunk]

Thats just because you are getting excited
You been checking?

[madkeenandy]

I did it on lap 2 but I missed the bastard:Pokey:

ahhh so thats why you crashed...

[Buddha#81]

ahhh so thats why you crashed...

Its past your bed time "GO TO BED".

[oyster]

I don't like shitfights, but lets get a few facts straight before giving me both barrels.

1) Last year we had 2 x 12 year olds in the buckets under the strict adherence to MNZ rules, and with prior consent of the Steward and riders.
After the first meeting, it all went well, so we did it a few more times till the end of the season. This year, because of an explosion of interest in this category, I attended the Bucket AGM to outline an obvious problem if 10 of them turned up. I was clear that unless some satisafactory idea comes up to solve the congestion on the "b" track with these young riders during races, I would cancel any further activity like this. At this point some members got all upset and left the room, preferring not to continue any discussion. Darryl Dawson stayed on for further discussion, and the idea was hatched for a dedicated class to cater for these riders via F5 (50cc) It was agreed then and confirmed later this would be the case, and until today I had no message to the contrary. In the meantime I actively "unpromoted" the idea of 12 year olds riding, actually ringing them all up to tell them not to go.
2) I have never received anything from the Bucket Club till today. I went back to the time it was alleged a message was sent, no, nothing in my inbox.
3) The MNZ rules to allow 11 and 12 year olds to road race took over 2 years to get refined and put in place, and I was one of the pivotal persons involved in developing it. All rules are open to varying interpetation, sure, but the way I have interpreteted them would see full compliance in the situation proposed. The obviously common misunderstanding regarding mixed aged groups was cleared up long ago in writing to the (then) Road Race Commissioner. In the early days when we only had a few youngsters on 150's we needed this to allow them to be on the track at the same time as classes such as Clubmans and F3. All routine stuff and the same here.

I think things would have been a lot a better with a few phone calls to discuss concerns as they arose. Most posters here pay respect to my work with young racers before roasting me. I would have thought that that respect would qualify me for a bit of consultation.

Some question my credibility after my posting. I hope it is restored in some way now that the missing facts are clear.

I had a good chat with Darryl Dawson where joint concerns are confirmed. He is clear that not only does the club feel the 11/12 year olds are ineligible,
but any young person of low skill or experience. He described Bucket Racing as competitive racing, particularly so the BOB. He said riders should have a basic minimum of competence before competing. This is contrary to some postings where people say "Any eligible rider is welcome".

Yours in the development of the sport
Peter Jones

[Rashika]

I don't like shitfights, but lets get a few facts straight before giving me both barrels.

Then dont start one


1) Last year we had 2 x 12 year olds in the buckets under the strict adherence to MNZ rules, and with prior consent of the Steward and riders.
2 vs 10...quite a difference in a race situation and that was a trial situation. And as trials go, sometimes they work and sometimes they do not. As others have said there were some issues with the younger riders and most Bucket club members were not overjoyed with them being there.



After the first meeting, it all went well, so we did it a few more times till the end of the season. This year, because of an explosion of interest in this category, I attended the Bucket AGM to outline an obvious problem if 10 of them turned up. I was clear that unless some satisafactory idea comes up to solve the congestion on the "b" track with these young riders during races, I would cancel any further activity like this. At this point some members got all upset and left the room, preferring not to continue any discussion. Darryl Dawson stayed on for further discussion, and the idea was hatched for a dedicated class to cater for these riders via F5 (50cc) It was agreed then and confirmed later this would be the case, and until today I had no message to the contrary.
I attended this meeting and there was no "agreement". It was broached as a "possibility" at some stage with the members, most of whom were against the idea, so was left as something to think about and have furthur talks on...certainly was not planned for any race like the BOB. Which for the record was only discussed as a possible event at the AGM and wasn't actually planned/decided on until after the AGM. The F5 class was decided on for those riders, uncluding the younger ones, (but NOT 11-12 years olds as they are not permited to race) with F5 eligible bikes.

In the meantime I actively "unpromoted" the idea of 12 year olds riding, actually ringing them all up to tell them not to go.
2) I have never received anything from the Bucket Club till today. I went back to the time it was alleged a message was sent, no, nothing in my inbox.

Suggest you check again...the email was certainly sent to you and has been resent to you again. And after hearing references by you about it, I think you are mistaken about receiving it.



3) The MNZ rules to allow 11 and 12 year olds to road race took over 2 years to get refined and put in place, and I was one of the pivotal persons involved in developing it. All rules are open to varying interpetation, sure, but the way I have interpreteted them would see full compliance in the situation proposed.

see kickaha's post as to current rules regarding young riders....and Darryl HAS actually spoken to MNZ this week to see if it was a possiblity and was told "NO" . You CANNOT get much clearer than that!

The obviously common misunderstanding regarding mixed aged groups was cleared up long ago in writing to the (then) Road Race Commissioner. In the early days when we only had a few youngsters on 150's we needed this to allow them to be on the track at the same time as classes such as Clubmans and F3. All routine stuff and the same here.
Then why do you not do the obvious and organise your own meetings for the younger riders? Instead of always trying to piggyback off other clubs? Canty Motorcycling do their best for you, BEARS are not able to due to time and race numbers constraints, and Buckets cannot due to similar constraints. You have been informed of this in various emails by the groups. Would you like me to post copies of the emails?



Most posters here pay respect to my work with young racers before roasting me. I would have thought that that respect would qualify me for a bit of consultation.
respect is earned not given by right


Some question my credibility after my posting. I hope it is restored in some way now that the missing facts are clear.
unfortunately the "facts" you state are not clear, simply changed to suit.


I had a good chat with Darryl Dawson where joint concerns are confirmed. He is clear that not only does the club feel the 11/12 year olds are ineligible,
but any young person of low skill or experience. He described Bucket Racing as competitive racing, particularly so the BOB. He said riders should have a basic minimum of competence before competing. This is contrary to some postings where people say "Any eligible rider is welcome".

Yours in the development of the sport
Peter Jones
That is NOT what was said in the phonecall last night, and it is obvious you were not listening to it...I was.
ANYONE over the age limit is welcome but should be prepared for people to pass them FAST...that requires experience in at least riding and being aware of other riders/road users. Bucket racing is very competitive, the average rider would be in their late 30's and generally have been racing/riding for years. It is still a damn fun class to race in, IF you are prepared for it.

Enough of this shit, lets get out there and RACE!! ;)
Rashika aka Gwenda Williams

[Buddha#81]

Pete,

I think you are missing the point. MNZ WILL NOT[B] let the 11/12's run at the meeting. If they were, the fast f5 guys could be pushed up th f4 and slower f4 dropped down.

I hope any of your 13yr olds with a race licence and guardians concent will still come, they will be MORE than welcome.

As for not liking shitfights you were the one starting this on this forum.......as for restoring your credibility in my eyes you have lost all.

Pete because you dont seem to listen I will say it again so its clear, [B]MNZ ruled that the 11/12 yr old can not race at BOB. The bucket club or BOB commitee are only adhearing to the rules of the meetings permit.

[Kickaha]

The obviously common misunderstanding regarding mixed aged groups was cleared up long ago in writing to the (then) Road Race Commissioner. In the early days when we only had a few youngsters on 150's we needed this to allow them to be on the track at the same time as classes such as Clubmans and F3. All routine stuff and the same here.


I find it very hard to misunderstand this rule

Rule 15-18-1 Riders over 10 years and under 13 years can only race against riders within this age.

Perhaps you can show show us something that sets out how MNZ are prepared to ignore there own regulations and allow 11-12 year olds to race in a competitive enviroment against riders 3-4 times there age

[dangerous]

I did it on lap 2 but I missed the bastard:Pokey:Well that will learn ya... till next time :2thumbsup


I don't like shitfights, but lets get a few facts straight before giving me both barrels.

I had a good chat with DD where joint concerns are confirmed. He is clear that not only does the club feel the 11/12 year olds are ineligible,
but any young person of low skill or experience. He described Bucket Racing as competitive racing, particularly so the BOB. He said riders should have a basic minimum of competence before competing. This is contrary to some postings where people say "Any eligible rider is welcome".


Just a sec Oyster... reloading both barrels ;)

"Bucket Racing as competitive racing, particularly so the BOB."
I think that we should remember that 'Bucket racing is actually classed as F4 and F5, no different than F1, F2 & F3... I see no learners in those feilds.
"Any eligible rider is welcome"
is welcome, however if their riding is of some concern then it WILL be addressed regardless of age.

Pete, you seem to have this notion as quoted by you in a email
Given that Miniature Road Race is considered a "nursery" for new and particularly young riders that F4/F5 is a beginners class of racing... it is not necessarilly, like I said it is no different than F1, next you will be wanting to put the 11yr old hairy arsed pimple faced lad up the road in a corolla and put him up against Schumacher... think about it, not going to work aye?

On a nicer note thankyou for this mornings email, it was better thought out than past ones.

Hope BoB goes well

BRMC president.

[TonyB]

I attended this meeting and there was no "agreement". It was broached as a "possibility" at some stage with the members, most of whom were against the idea, so was left as something to think about and have furthur talks on...certainly was not planned for any race like the BOB. Which for the record was only discussed as a possible event at the AGM and wasn't actually planned/decided on until after the AGM.
Agreed. I was there, listening intently until long after most of the other members left. Nothing was decided on. The BEARS officials said that they would help out if they could.

I would just like to point something out. ALL racers are painfully aware that the same handful of men have been at the top of the heap here for many, many years. Peter, I think the vast majority of road racers realise that a series like the junior cup is the best way of developing new talent. There are now juniors and trainees present at most major meetings in the South Island. Think for a moment about top level F1 riders- they spend vast amounts of money and huge amounts of time to develop their bikes. With the number of classes currently in place, track time is already limited, but they are happy to wait while the juniors do their training- I dare say at some tracks the juniors are getting more track time than the F1 riders. Please don't make enemys of the people who are the most likely to believe in, and support, what you are doing.

[Joni]

Please don't make enemys of the people who are the most likely to believe in, and support, what you are doing. The nail was just struck on the head... well said Tony.

Pete, I would have thought it would be in the younsters best interest for you to work with the clubs rather than against. At the end of the days these young guys and girls will hopefully be the people racing at Club and National level in the future... surely that is what all this effort you are putting is in for.

[TygerTung]

Will the club slut be avaliable? My FUCKING bucket shat out, been working on it all day and all night, just fucking missfires and won't go over a certain RPM, I really need a bucket to race, who can I see about the club slut?

[Buddha#81]

come out and bring your bike wee will sort something!!!!!

[Shaun]

Hi, obviously I cannot speak for Pete or anyone else involved in this little misunderstanding, and am sure all parties have there own believe, wrong or write, and do not want to get involved in his/your dealings.

My input is to the people that may not Know Pete Jones, and in no way am I trying to judge/ belittle anyone that has defended them self on here.

This case has reminded me of some off the things that I have could have done better.

My passion for our sport is Silly really, I love it that much that my whole life revolves around it, and on accasions when I have either over streched myself or things are not going to plan, I have been known to spit the dummy!

I have recieved a reputation from some people that do not really know the true me, as an arrogant tosser! and I can see how some would/could come to that perception of me.

Every thing I have ever said or done, I have accepted full responsibility for! I move on, and try not to make the same mistake again, ( TRY no guarantee)
Short with red hair makes this a bit tricky some times :lol:

I guess what I am trying to say is directed at the people that have read through this thread that do not know the true Pete Jones, and have formed an opinion on Pete based on what you have read here only

The point is, this man has put 100"s and 100's of hours into our sport, training, advice, machine preperation, transportation of bikes for (KIDS)
Even spent lots of his own hard earned cash on the game, please know and remember this before you linch him.

[Tim 39]

I second that Shaun, I know Pete and he is a great guy, if it weren't for him I wouldn't be racing, he has done a great job with traing "youngsters" who are now the "new wave" into the sport, and without this once the present racer's retired who would be left?

However in saying this I can see how people could easily misjudge/misunderstand Pete as he is a very determined man and pushes what he thinks is right. (usually what is best in the long run for the "youngsters" and therefore the sport)

p.s I'm not trying to put anyone down here, (in case you think I'm in this argument I'm not!!!)

[stanko]

I think this thread should be left to die . BOB has been and gone. People have made their opinions known, there are no winners.

[gav]

So who won BOB? Any results or race reports?

[Transalper]

You can see photos in the new BOB Thread...http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=36117

[oyster]

I'd like to apologise for my postings on the issue of exclusion of the under 13 year olds at the BoB.
I knew better at the time, much better now that a posting like this would touch sensitive nerves. The correct way to have my feelings and opinions heard is in private, directly with those affected. It wasted a lot of peoples time and energy, which would have been much better spent progressing our mutual interests - the good health and welfare of our sport.
I'm sorry, sorry, sorry.
I also want to thank the Bucket Club for actively working hard to try and accommodate the group I was interested in, (studying the rules, phone calls to MNZ etc.)
Thanks, thanks, thanks.
Now, an ask for the respondents, please.
I am upset to be branded a liar.
EVERY critical post is supported by the assumption I knew the riders were unable to ride, and the reasons why, before midday Friday. The reasons given at that time were exactly as quoted. Thats all I knew. Other reasons (regarding the rules) I was unaware of until about midnight Friday, when I had the e-mail sent to me that people claim I got months ago.
I do accept that the whole picture would have been very different if I had received this critical e-mail earlier. Prior to this I had BEARS offer (I didn't ask) to discuss incorporation of Junior activities in their meetings. The reply came back "No" and I responded with acceptance of the decision and said "thank you" for their effort to consider it. I say all this to describe how I normally work, not the difficult:buggerd: arsehole as depicted in some postings.

I REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO ACCEPT THAT THIS IS TRUE, THAT I AM NOT A LIAR.

If you could do this, then great, we're left with Peter merely making an inappropriate gripe. Simple as that, and again, I apologise.

In the responses, there are a lot of comments I'd like to answer, but my lesson was learned very quickly, let it go, this is the wrong place.
However, in PRIVATE I welcome anyone to contact me at home at my house,
Ph 0274303662,
via PM, e-mail petejones@xtra.co.nz.
I'm happy to discuss any item raised. I am particularly interested in the rule problems described, as, after working on them for 2 years, using them for 1 and being guided by several of the most experienced and highest ranking stewards in the country, I'm keen to get the last "bugs" ironed out. I'd like to think I'm a team player, and this is an area of the sport I'm happy to work on.

To the people who are passionate about my work with developing young road racers, and fear my stupid actions compromise it, I have this message.
GIVE ME A HAND. I'm like anyone else, combine passion, overcommitments and feeling alone and you risk the dumb actions as I've just done. Before you think that's an excuse, no. I'm still reponsible.

Sorry again for the drama, guys and girls
This is my last post on this.
Yours in looking to a bright future of our sport
Peter Jones

[Rashika]

ahhhh I wasn't going to comment again but....

I'd like to apologise for my postings on the issue of exclusion of the under 13 year olds at the BoB.

Fair enough, its a shame that your personal feelings got in the way of your possible eligible riders coming out tho. That is the bit I find frustrating from you. :(


EVERY critical post is supported by the assumption I knew the riders were unable to ride ....

I am particularly interested in the rule problems described, as, after working on them for 2 years, using them for 1 and being guided by several of the most experienced and highest ranking stewards in the country, I'm keen to get the last "bugs" ironed out.

You say here that you have been working on including the under 13 riders for 2 years to get them included...so why would you claim NOT to know that they are ineligible??
The bucket club first knew of your intention to bring out under 13s the week before the meet, and not directly from you but though other sources. Why did you not meet directly with them to confirm it was okay if you knew the rules could possibly be an issue (and you cannot say you didn't know the rules as you have been working to change them for 2 years!)? It would have been a whole lot worse of they had come out only to be disappointed on the day.

I have chosen not to respond to other parts of your post as I dont think it accomplishes anything to have arguments across this forum..all those who have been privy to the events, know the truth, so it should be just left there I feel.
I hope you are able to get it clarified about the under 13s...I'm still not sure that Buckets at Ruapuna is the right place to have them training amongst tho.
Anyway the day was awesome, racing was intense and hard work, and I hope we have many more! Maybe it CAN be sorted for next year, they say Rome wasn't built in a day eh? :hug:
And that is my last words on the matter. ;)

[dangerous]

I guess what I am trying to say is directed at the people that have read through this thread that do not know the true Pete Jones, and have formed an opinion on Pete based on what you have read here only
Mr H, If they do not know the "true" PJ... then so what? they can have what ever opinion they want, goes for their opinion on me too.
ALL those that replyed to PJ are involved in the club and do know him well.



A) I'd like to apologise for my postings on the issue of exclusion of the under 13 year olds at the BoB.
B) I'm sorry, sorry, sorry.
C) I also want to thank the Bucket Club for actively working hard to try and accommodate the group I was interested in,If you could do this, then great, we're left with Peter merely making an inappropriate gripe. Simple as that, and again, I apologise.
D) In the responses, there are a lot of comments I'd like to answer, but my lesson was learned very quickly, let it go, this is the wrong place.

a) No worries, cheers Pete
b) don't be
c) Thanks PJ
d) Na its not necessarily the wrong place, but remember... if you voice an opinion on line, expect the flack, KB is renowned for that.

[Shaun]

I sent you a PM explaining my post on this and the importance of the responsibility we have to have the young ones on this site that end up reading all the rubbish we the so called adults spew out of our finger tips.

[dangerous]

I sent you a PM explaining my post on this and the importance of the responsibility we have to have the young ones on this site that end up reading all the rubbish we the so called adults spew out of our finger tips.

God help them if they find the scottish thread or head into rant n rave... letalone the jokes forum... the wee shits need to toughen up.
Need I remind some that the internet in the form of KB should very realy be taken seriously, as people push beyound the boundrys when they other wise may not.

[Shaun]

God help them if they find the scottish thread or head into rant n rave... letalone the jokes forum... the wee shits need to toughen up.
Need I remind some that the internet in the form of KB should very realy be taken seriously, as people push beyound the boundrys when they other wise may not.


True that and thanks for your PM