Why the cheaper prices for larger bikes?

[placidfemme]

As some of you know I'm looking at buying an R6 when I get my full license.

I've been keeping an eye on TurdMe so I can start preparing myself for the amount I'm going to have to save to buy one... As I don't wish to buy through a dealer because they run on average of $3000 more expensive than private sales (Yes I know by buying it through a dealer I least have someone to blame if something goes wrong.... but still).

On TurdMe I've noticed that R6's varying in years (model wise) are on average from $7000 to $16,000.

Just out of curiosity I checked out the R1's. And the average prices for those are $6500 - $17,000.

Now if I can buy an R1 for the same price as the R6... wouldn't that be a better deal?

[McJim]

That's why Dover has been talking me into getting a SV1000 rather than a SV650.

Many other people say it's too big a step from a 250 hence while people say that it keeps people buying 600s and pushes the price up via the age old mechanism of supply and demand.

If you can kill yourself on a 250 you can do it on a 600 or a Thou.

So long as you're sensible in your head I don't think it'll make a difference. Your brain controls your right hand which controls the throttle.

"smoother power delivery" is what Dover tole me.

[degrom]

I feel the same. Why go for a SV650 if you can get a SV1000 for a tiny amount more!!!

Insurance on bikes could be why the small to medium size bikes keep there value.

250’s is also an good example… Look at the prices for an old ZZR240,CBR250,GSX250… You can get a 500-750 for that price… But it’s all about demand. That’s the reason why I like the GN250’s Cheap to run and you can get a new one every few years.

[placidfemme]

That's why Dover has been talking me into getting a SV1000 rather than a SV650.

Many other people say it's too big a step from a 250 hence while people say that it keeps people buying 600s and pushes the price up via the age old mechanism of supply and demand.

If you can kill yourself on a 250 you can do it on a 600 or a Thou.

So long as you're sensible in your head I don't think it'll make a difference. Your brain controls your right hand which controls the throttle.

"smoother power delivery" is what Dover tole me.

My only concern about buying a bigger (bigger than 250 lol) bike is the pure weight of the bike...

I weigh a mighty 48kg's. And I struggle to lift my ZXR250 when its down (admitidly I've never done it on my own). The power doesn't bother me, as i don't intend to hoon (touch wood), its just the physical size of the bikes that bother me sometimes... Not that I plan on dropping the bike either, but its something I must consider as there is no garantee that if i bin it, there will be people around to help me...

Of-course my opinions may change once i've test ridden a few bikes, but the money side of my brain is telling me "get the 1000 for the same price as the 600".

Afterall I'm more than likely not to use either bike to thier full potential... so that doesn't bother me

[Finn]

That's why Dover has been talking me into getting a SV1000 rather than a SV650.

Many other people say it's too big a step from a 250 hence while people say that it keeps people buying 600s and pushes the price up via the age old mechanism of supply and demand.

If you can kill yourself on a 250 you can do it on a 600 or a Thou.

So long as you're sensible in your head I don't think it'll make a difference. Your brain controls your right hand which controls the throttle.

"smoother power delivery" is what Dover tole me.

Exactly. I had my learners license on a CBR1000. There's a good reason I didn't have an "L" plate.

One thing though McJim, your brain does control your right hand and that's the problem sometime's for learners. For example, you go into a corner too hot and instinctively slack off throttle. Wrong. Nail the bitch.

[Coyote]

Aprilia don't make an RSV600, so there's only one option for me

[scracha]

It's a bit like owning a big car innit. If you can afford the running costs, insurance etc of a litre bike then generally you can afford a newer bike. That's why big sports bikes generally depreciate so quickly. In my experience a 6 year old 600 run on a "budget" is normally in better nick than a 1 litre bike run on a "budget" for the simple reason that the budget stretches to more of the essentials on a 600. There's plenty of exceptions to that rule out there though. Loads of mint 6 year old R1's and suchlike with maybe 10K on them owned by a 50something who's bitten off more than they can chew.

Ask dozens of questions and take a mate when viewing. Make sure mate doesn't get shiny bike syndrome too though :cool:

[placidfemme]

Well I did a quick search on Comparison for R1's & R6's.

Its not really a great comparison, due to not being able to select all the years/models...

But judging by this... theres really only a 10-15kg difference in dry weight... so that helps me a little better...

http://www.yamaha-motor.co.uk/products/motorcycles/motorcycle_comparison_details.jsp?model=tcm%3A46-14369&model=tcm%3A46-78280&model=tcm%3A46-14361&model=tcm%3A46-86964

Can anyone give me an average insurance price for an R6 compared to an R1?

[placidfemme]

It's a bit like owning a big car innit. If you can afford the running costs, insurance etc of a litre bike then generally you can afford a newer bike. That's why big sports bikes generally depreciate so quickly. In my experience a 6 year old 600 run on a "budget" is normally in better nick than a 1 litre bike run on a "budget" for the simple reason that the budget stretches to more of the essentials on a 600. There's plenty of exceptions to that rule out there though. Loads of mint 6 year old R1's and suchlike with maybe 10K on them owned by a 50something who's bitten off more than they can chew.

Ask dozens of questions and take a mate when viewing. Make sure mate doesn't get shiny bike syndrome too though :cool:

I'll more than likely be bike shopping on my own... or with Sam... once I find a bike in my price range that I feel good riding, I'll it checked out by my mechanic and yeah... :)

[skelstar]

Go to www.kiwibike.co.nz and just fill in two webforms and you should get two insurance quotes from them.

[placidfemme]

Go to www.kiwibike.co.nz and just fill in two webforms and you should get two insurance quotes from them.

Cheers thanks :)

[The_Dover]

If you're a dwarf you want a K5/6 gixxer thou, if there are any out there that haven't been crashed.

They're ickle bikes, even SixPackBack can reach the ground on mine without his Gary Glitter boots.

[Maha]

But judging by this... theres really only a 10-15kg difference in dry weight... so that helps me a little better...

?

And as long as you can touch the ground when stopped?...
But i agree with the others, go for the R1 if at all poss', i had my 600 for about 8-9 months, and riding 2up wasnt the best, so got the 995, has all the power i need (and that aint alot :whistle: ) but 2up at 130-140kph is comfortable, or crusing at 100-120, the power is there if you need it...:cool:

[placidfemme]

If you're a dwarf you want a K5/6 gixxer thou, if there are any out there that haven't been crashed.

They're ickle bikes, even SixPackBack can reach the ground on mine without his Gary Glitter boots.

Well the ride height of the ZXR250 is 735mm

And the R1's (on average) 835mm
And the R6's (on average) 840mm

That only another 10cm higher. On the ZXR I could go up about another 5cm and still be fine, and I'm sure I'll be able to play around with the suspension of whichever bike I get to accomodate that extra 5cm difference... (or put on some weight lol)

I'm not sure of my exact height, but I'm sure its close to 5'5 or 5'6. That should be fine right?

I did consider the Gixxer600, but I don't know... theres just someting about them I'm not too keen on...

[kickingzebra]

Bigger the bike, bigger the appetitie for tyres...
And they don't come cheap!
600 is a good compromise, specially if you are small and light, and they are way cheaper to insure. My old insurance company wouldn't insure period for over 600cc cause I am under the magic 25. There is that to consider, Kiwibike are quite good at sorting that out though.
Craig sheriffs holds the new lap record at manfeild long track on a 600, and seems quite content beating the crap out of the thousands.
600s don't have quite the wheely capability if you screw something up and hamfist it.

[placidfemme]

Bigger the bike, bigger the appetitie for tyres...
And they don't come cheap!
600 is a good compromise, specially if you are small and light, and they are way cheaper to insure. My old insurance company wouldn't insure period for over 600cc cause I am under the magic 25. There is that to consider, Kiwibike are quite good at sorting that out though.
Craig sheriffs holds the new lap record at manfeild long track on a 600, and seems quite content beating the crap out of the thousands.
600s don't have quite the wheely capability if you screw something up and hamfist it.

Well I would like to learn basic stunts (wheelies and stoppies) when I upgrade... I know that on the american stunt forums they all recommend the Honda F4i 600, but I'm not keen on the Honda's right now... Unless I can get a 2006/2007 model... which I can't afford lol

[skelstar]

Ride height may not be as literal as the measurement they give you. Depends on seat width etc. Of course as soon as you sit on one things become clear.

[kickingzebra]

gsr?? apparently that has a nice seat height, and it'll stunt with the best of them.
With your weight, stunting should be easy as! Won't need heaps of power.
Can't go past a gixxer though....
Older honda go cheap as

[SuperDave]

Do you really need the power of a 1000?
As others have said, higher the running costs which you will feel in the tyre department.

A 600 already has 100 horse at the rear, with you're weight being less that 50kgs do you really think you'll need any more power than that?

[The_Dover]

600's are for fags.

[placidfemme]

Do you really need the power of a 1000?
As others have said, higher the running costs which you will feel in the tyre department.

A 600 already has 100 horse at the rear, with you're weight being less that 50kgs do you really think you'll need any more power than that?

No I don't "need" the power at all. Don't even "need" the power of a 600. I'm just thinking ahead, if I buy a 600/1000 which would be more worth the money...

[placidfemme]

600's are for fags.

thats great for me :banana:

[MSTRS]

600's are for fags.
No problem then....she don't have what it takes to be a 'fag'....

[placidfemme]

No problem then....she don't have what it takes to be a 'fag'....

lol well thats true :buggerd:

[The_Dover]

No problem then....she don't have what it takes to be a 'fag'....

Hey MSTRS,

"DUCK"

too late, it already went over your head!!:Pokey:

[MSTRS]

Hey Dover?

That was no duck...

:buggerd:

you mistook the 'goose'....

:whistle:

[McJim]

No problem then....she don't have what it takes to be a 'fag'....

S'alright, we could fit a filter tip to her head.

Hey Dover! If Hondas are Ghey and 600s are for fags...if I get a 600cc Honda as my next bike will they cancel each other out so you stop trying to shag me?

[The_Dover]

fuck, I thought it was a turkey.

I call fowl play.

[The_Dover]

Hey Dover! If Hondas are Ghey and 600s are for fags...if I get a 600cc Honda as my next bike will they cancel each other out so you stop trying to shag me?

No.

It will just make you as gay as boomer.

and you'll probably catch AIDS.

[Paulus]

Well I would like to learn basic stunts (wheelies and stoppies) when I upgrade... I know that on the american stunt forums they all recommend the Honda F4i 600, but I'm not keen on the Honda's right now... Unless I can get a 2006/2007 model... which I can't afford lol

Learn those things on a dirt bike not a road bike. The first time you loop it you'll realize why.

[The_Dover]

Learn those things on a dirt bike not a road bike. The first time you loop it you'll realize why.

No wonder you ride a girls bike.

Harden up.:spanking:

[DMNTD]

I weigh a mighty 48kg's....
Holy crap PF!! I'm over twice the woman you are!
Come on up and we'll feed ya!




That's why Dover has been talking me into getting a SV1000 rather than a SV650.

If you can kill yourself on a 250 you can do it on a 600 or a Thou.
So long as you're sensible in your head I don't think it'll make a difference. Your brain controls your right hand which controls the throttle.

'tis true McJim just shocking that Dover gave ya such good advice :gob:
I believe it's easier to cruise on a bigger bike due to not having to chop it down...roll with the torque of a mchine.
Ok with PF's weight,or lack thereof, a bigger bike may not be ideal at this stage anyway.

[Darkman]

Exactly. I had my learners license on a CBR1000. There's a good reason I didn't have an "L" plate.


Same here. I did mine on a blackbird. Nothing to it. On a R1 now and it is not that big of a deal riding it. I suppose it will get me in trouble if I am going to try and nail it...but I'm not going to do that..at least not till the weekend.

[Hillbilly]

Aprilia don't make an RSV600, so there's only one option for me

There's always the Ducati 800SS or the Triumph Daytona 675.

[pritch]

Aprilia don't make an RSV600, so there's only one option for me

The RS 125?:whistle:

[FilthyLuka]

]
I weigh a mighty 48kg's.

:O God damn! 48kgs... i weigh 55 and im a runty dude... yeesh man. I wouldnt worry about the weight of bikes, im not that much heavier than you and i can easily lift a honda fireblade...

[quickbuck]

Craig sheriffs holds the new lap record at manfeild long track on a 600, and seems quite content beating the crap out of the thousands.



He also has the lap record of Wanganui.

As said before the through life costs of a thou are far more than a 600.

[NinjaNanna]

No I don't "need" the power at all. Don't even "need" the power of a 600. I'm just thinking ahead, if I buy a 600/1000 which would be more worth the money...


Haven't you answered your own question, second hand 600s are the same price as 1000s due to demand for that middle step and they will always be in demand.

1000cc bikes weren't cheaper NEW so that means previous 1000 owners have lost more money, not to mention the extra money they've forked out in fuel, tyres, brake pads, chain and sprockets.

I say go with the 600. It will save you shit loads of money in the long run.

by the way www.SWANNINSURANCE.co.nz have an online quote page so you can compare insurance costs to your hearts content.

[placidfemme]

Haven't you answered your own question, second hand 600s are the same price as 1000s due to demand for that middle step and they will always be in demand.

1000cc bikes weren't cheaper NEW so that means previous 1000 owners have lost more money, not to mention the extra money they've forked out in fuel, tyres, brake pads, chain and sprockets.

I say go with the 600. It will save you shit loads of money in the long run.

by the way www.SWANNINSURANCE.co.nz have an online quote page so you can compare insurance costs to your hearts content.

Yeah, I've decided now to go with the R6 (or a 600 at least). Its good to see everyones opinions on the matter. I just didn't want to go blowing so much money on a bike when I could buy a potentially better/bigger one...

*has my heart set on the R6 for the time being*

[scracha]

I believe it's easier to cruise on a bigger bike due to not having to chop it down...roll with the torque of a mchine.


Easier to highside it or find yourself approaching a junction at MUCH faster speeds than you thought you were going too.


Anyways.....1 litre bikes are like v8's:- willywaving for men with small parts who can't ride properly so have to overcompensate.

[Coyote]

The RS 125?:whistle:
Hardly an upgrade from my RG. Might stick to the road better but I would still get nowhere slowly

[SuperDave]

I believe it's easier to cruise on a bigger bike due to not having to chop it down...roll with the torque of a mchine.


But that's one of the best parts of it all! We'll in my opinion. I love having to work my gears in order to achieve the pace that I'm after. I guess I see it in the same light as manual versus auto debate.

[SuperDave]

Hardly an upgrade from my RG. Might stick to the road better but I would still get nowhere slowly

But it will certainly LOOK as though it's getting somewhere fast won't it? :lol:

[JimO]

local suzuki dealer has 2 GS1200s both fairly new with low ks for $7500 so how can a 90 250cc be worth $5000 and i dont care about supply and demand and ist bike owners blabla:banana:

[Coyote]

But it will certainly LOOK as though it's getting somewhere fast won't it? :lol:
What?! Are you implying the RG doesn't?!

With RG100's help, I'll be raking up the rear end. It'll have a slight MotoGP look :eek:

[AllanB]

Have a look at the new GSR600 or the naked Yamaha 600 both have low seat heights.

How do you ride or intend to ride? Legal or manic - if it is legal I'd consider the 600. The big bores are just idling along at 100 and honestly officer the bike has to cruise faster .......................:whistle:

As for pricing in reality they should all pretty much cost the same for new models as the same technology and R&D go into the 600 as the 1000.

TEST-RIDE TEST-RIDE TEST-RIDE

[SuperDave]

What?! Are you implying the RG doesn't?!


Yes.........

[Jantar]

local suzuki dealer has 2 GS1200s both fairly new with low ks for $7500 ...
One of them is fitted with a Scottoiler, and has featured on this site previously. :whistle:

[R1madness]

Hell you cant seriously be thinking of going from a 250 strait on to a R1. That is pure madness. Yes an R6 is almost as fast, grunty etc but only almost. Its the extra grunt that can get you into trouble.
I might end up getting a flameing but i dont care how good you think you are and how controlled you think your throttle hand is, you are going to get hurt guickly and badly. Its not just R1s that goes for ALL the big bore sports bikes (even suzukis).

[placidfemme]

Hell you cant seriously be thinking of going from a 250 strait on to a R1. That is pure madness. Yes an R6 is almost as fast, grunty etc but only almost. Its the extra grunt that can get you into trouble.
I might end up getting a flameing but i dont care how good you think you are and how controlled you think your throttle hand is, you are going to get hurt guickly and badly. Its not just R1s that goes for ALL the big bore sports bikes (even suzukis).

No... As I've said previously... I'm going for the R6. I was just asking cause of the close price range, as to which would be more worth the money...

[Bytor]

Hell you cant seriously be thinking of going from a 250 strait on to a R1. That is pure madness. Yes an R6 is almost as fast, grunty etc but only almost. Its the extra grunt that can get you into trouble.
I might end up getting a flameing but i dont care how good you think you are and how controlled you think your throttle hand is, you are going to get hurt guickly and badly. Its not just R1s that goes for ALL the big bore sports bikes (even suzukis).

Great advice for anyone going up from a 250 or just passed their full test. :2thumbsup

[scracha]

Hell you cant seriously be thinking of going from a 250 strait on to a R1. That is pure madness. Yes an R6 is almost as fast, grunty etc but only almost. Its the extra grunt that can get you into trouble.
I might end up getting a flameing but i dont care how good you think you are and how controlled you think your throttle hand is, you are going to get hurt guickly and badly. Its not just R1s that goes for ALL the big bore sports bikes (even suzukis).

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=765472&postcount=11

Hell, at least this guy's going from a sportsbike to another. I got a hell of a flaming for merely suggesting someone should think twice about getting a litre bike after a THIRTY year break.

[R1madness]

Sorry its just i see a few people making this mistake. My nephew wanted to buy my R1 but i would not sell it to him because he would kill himself (putting my money where my mouth is). He brought a 400. And crashed it badly. If he had been on the R1 it would have killed him no doubt.
There is lots of great midrange stuff out there. All the 600s are fantastic. try a few different ones. The R6 is my pick but i love yamahas.

[placidfemme]

Sorry its just i see a few people making this mistake. My nephew wanted to buy my R1 but i would not sell it to him because he would kill himself (putting my money where my mouth is). He brought a 400. And crashed it badly. If he had been on the R1 it would have killed him no doubt.
There is lots of great midrange stuff out there. All the 600s are fantastic. try a few different ones. The R6 is my pick but i love yamahas.

Fair enough, I know what your saying...

*is also a fan of the Yamahas*

[SimJen]

I'd go for the R1 over an R6 anyday. Generally better components on the 1000cc bikes over their smaller counterparts. USD Forks, Awesome brakes, better rear shocks etc.
Remember though, R1's have possibly led a harder life with wheelies on demand head bearings/fork seals/gearbox wear etc.
I've just got a GSX-R1000 K5 and the seat feels really low compared to other bikes I've owned, the 600 and 750's are also the same.
Insurance for the R1 will cost you a few hundred more than the 600 i'd imagine.
If you are over 30 you'll save big bucks with Classic Cover insurance.