Why the cheaper prices for larger bikes?

[placidfemme]

As some of you know I'm looking at buying an R6 when I get my full license.

I've been keeping an eye on TurdMe so I can start preparing myself for the amount I'm going to have to save to buy one... As I don't wish to buy through a dealer because they run on average of $3000 more expensive than private sales (Yes I know by buying it through a dealer I least have someone to blame if something goes wrong.... but still).

On TurdMe I've noticed that R6's varying in years (model wise) are on average from $7000 to $16,000.

Just out of curiosity I checked out the R1's. And the average prices for those are $6500 - $17,000.

Now if I can buy an R1 for the same price as the R6... wouldn't that be a better deal?

[McJim]

That's why Dover has been talking me into getting a SV1000 rather than a SV650.

Many other people say it's too big a step from a 250 hence while people say that it keeps people buying 600s and pushes the price up via the age old mechanism of supply and demand.

If you can kill yourself on a 250 you can do it on a 600 or a Thou.

So long as you're sensible in your head I don't think it'll make a difference. Your brain controls your right hand which controls the throttle.

"smoother power delivery" is what Dover tole me.

[degrom]

I feel the same. Why go for a SV650 if you can get a SV1000 for a tiny amount more!!!

Insurance on bikes could be why the small to medium size bikes keep there value.

250’s is also an good example… Look at the prices for an old ZZR240,CBR250,GSX250… You can get a 500-750 for that price… But it’s all about demand. That’s the reason why I like the GN250’s Cheap to run and you can get a new one every few years.

[placidfemme]

That's why Dover has been talking me into getting a SV1000 rather than a SV650.

Many other people say it's too big a step from a 250 hence while people say that it keeps people buying 600s and pushes the price up via the age old mechanism of supply and demand.

If you can kill yourself on a 250 you can do it on a 600 or a Thou.

So long as you're sensible in your head I don't think it'll make a difference. Your brain controls your right hand which controls the throttle.

"smoother power delivery" is what Dover tole me.

My only concern about buying a bigger (bigger than 250 lol) bike is the pure weight of the bike...

I weigh a mighty 48kg's. And I struggle to lift my ZXR250 when its down (admitidly I've never done it on my own). The power doesn't bother me, as i don't intend to hoon (touch wood), its just the physical size of the bikes that bother me sometimes... Not that I plan on dropping the bike either, but its something I must consider as there is no garantee that if i bin it, there will be people around to help me...

Of-course my opinions may change once i've test ridden a few bikes, but the money side of my brain is telling me "get the 1000 for the same price as the 600".

Afterall I'm more than likely not to use either bike to thier full potential... so that doesn't bother me

[Finn]

That's why Dover has been talking me into getting a SV1000 rather than a SV650.

Many other people say it's too big a step from a 250 hence while people say that it keeps people buying 600s and pushes the price up via the age old mechanism of supply and demand.

If you can kill yourself on a 250 you can do it on a 600 or a Thou.

So long as you're sensible in your head I don't think it'll make a difference. Your brain controls your right hand which controls the throttle.

"smoother power delivery" is what Dover tole me.

Exactly. I had my learners license on a CBR1000. There's a good reason I didn't have an "L" plate.

One thing though McJim, your brain does control your right hand and that's the problem sometime's for learners. For example, you go into a corner too hot and instinctively slack off throttle. Wrong. Nail the bitch.

[Coyote]

Aprilia don't make an RSV600, so there's only one option for me

[scracha]

It's a bit like owning a big car innit. If you can afford the running costs, insurance etc of a litre bike then generally you can afford a newer bike. That's why big sports bikes generally depreciate so quickly. In my experience a 6 year old 600 run on a "budget" is normally in better nick than a 1 litre bike run on a "budget" for the simple reason that the budget stretches to more of the essentials on a 600. There's plenty of exceptions to that rule out there though. Loads of mint 6 year old R1's and suchlike with maybe 10K on them owned by a 50something who's bitten off more than they can chew.

Ask dozens of questions and take a mate when viewing. Make sure mate doesn't get shiny bike syndrome too though

[placidfemme]

Well I did a quick search on Comparison for R1's & R6's.

Its not really a great comparison, due to not being able to select all the years/models...

But judging by this... theres really only a 10-15kg difference in dry weight... so that helps me a little better...

http://www.yamaha-motor.co.uk/produc...tcm%3A46-86964

Can anyone give me an average insurance price for an R6 compared to an R1?

[placidfemme]

It's a bit like owning a big car innit. If you can afford the running costs, insurance etc of a litre bike then generally you can afford a newer bike. That's why big sports bikes generally depreciate so quickly. In my experience a 6 year old 600 run on a "budget" is normally in better nick than a 1 litre bike run on a "budget" for the simple reason that the budget stretches to more of the essentials on a 600. There's plenty of exceptions to that rule out there though. Loads of mint 6 year old R1's and suchlike with maybe 10K on them owned by a 50something who's bitten off more than they can chew.

Ask dozens of questions and take a mate when viewing. Make sure mate doesn't get shiny bike syndrome too though

I'll more than likely be bike shopping on my own... or with Sam... once I find a bike in my price range that I feel good riding, I'll it checked out by my mechanic and yeah...

[skelstar]

Go to www.kiwibike.co.nz and just fill in two webforms and you should get two insurance quotes from them.

[placidfemme]

Go to www.kiwibike.co.nz and just fill in two webforms and you should get two insurance quotes from them.

Cheers thanks

[The_Dover]

If you're a dwarf you want a K5/6 gixxer thou, if there are any out there that haven't been crashed.

They're ickle bikes, even SixPackBack can reach the ground on mine without his Gary Glitter boots.

[Maha]

But judging by this... theres really only a 10-15kg difference in dry weight... so that helps me a little better...

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And as long as you can touch the ground when stopped?...
But i agree with the others, go for the R1 if at all poss', i had my 600 for about 8-9 months, and riding 2up wasnt the best, so got the 995, has all the power i need (and that aint alot ) but 2up at 130-140kph is comfortable, or crusing at 100-120, the power is there if you need it...

[placidfemme]

If you're a dwarf you want a K5/6 gixxer thou, if there are any out there that haven't been crashed.

They're ickle bikes, even SixPackBack can reach the ground on mine without his Gary Glitter boots.

Well the ride height of the ZXR250 is 735mm

And the R1's (on average) 835mm
And the R6's (on average) 840mm

That only another 10cm higher. On the ZXR I could go up about another 5cm and still be fine, and I'm sure I'll be able to play around with the suspension of whichever bike I get to accomodate that extra 5cm difference... (or put on some weight lol)

I'm not sure of my exact height, but I'm sure its close to 5'5 or 5'6. That should be fine right?

I did consider the Gixxer600, but I don't know... theres just someting about them I'm not too keen on...

[kickingzebra]

Bigger the bike, bigger the appetitie for tyres...
And they don't come cheap!
600 is a good compromise, specially if you are small and light, and they are way cheaper to insure. My old insurance company wouldn't insure period for over 600cc cause I am under the magic 25. There is that to consider, Kiwibike are quite good at sorting that out though.
Craig sheriffs holds the new lap record at manfeild long track on a 600, and seems quite content beating the crap out of the thousands.
600s don't have quite the wheely capability if you screw something up and hamfist it.