Now I'm not normally a HD fan, but....

[nudemetalz]

Check this out,...the new XR1200.
Looks great ay !!!

(info from Raptorsandrockets.com)
"We have just attended the first press conference at the 2006 Intermot in Cologne. Harley-Davidson showed a new XR 1200 based on the air-cooled Sportster 1200 engine. New is down draft fuel injection, chassis, sporty pipes and loads of ground clearance. performance are between 85-90bhp and around 75ftlb according to Harley-Davidson. The bike also gets an electronically controlled active air intake system. All in ode to the XR 750 flat tracker. More info later."

[skelstar]

Same, I quite like it too.

[scumdog]

Love it!
Sooo retro and cool!!

[McJim]

Would be really cool if you whipped off the handlebars and fitted it with clip ons though - would look like a proper bike.

Now this is what I'm talkin' bout.

The Wakan - has been mentioned a couple of times on other threads but if I ever go to a 45 degree V-Twin this will be my baby.

[MSTRS]

They got the Japs involved now?? Looks suspiciously old Kawasaki

[Monsterbishi]

90bhp out of a 1200cc motor, on that basis alone they need to be smacked.

[Motu]

It needs 2 front heads,but about bloody time! Over 50 years of flattracker history,and this is the first bike they make that remotely resembles the XR750 - sign me up!!

I'm not sure if they still run a Sportster Flattrack series,but I have video of some of the races in the early '90's - Jay Springsteen,Ricky Graham,Chris Carr,Scott Parker....doing things with a Sportster you didn't think was possible....bloody fast and waaaaay sideways.

[Motu]

Fuck,look at the HD bashing already...even in the thread title.Why do wankers like you even bother to ride bikes?

[Big Dave]

Not bad - I'd rather a Road King.

[nudemetalz]

Fuck,look at the HD bashing already...even in the thread title.Why do wankers like you even bother to ride bikes?


Well the thread title was not meant to be HD bashing, all I meant is that HD's are not the first choice of motorcycles for me but I respect people that do love them as motorcycling is just motorcycling irrespective of make and style.
I rode my mate's M2 Cyclone (HD-powered obviously) and really liked it, and then this pic of the XR1200 I do like too.

So apologies if it came across like that ( and I'd love to see that video of the flat-tracking !!).

[Crisis management]

Now I have never, ever, been keen on the bulk of Harleys except the sportster and until now (with the exception of the xr750) have felt the sporty lacked enough finesse and style to actually want to ride one.

Well congratulations HD haven't you done well. Lou when are you giving free rides??

The tartan terrorist is right about the Wakan but thats an S&S motor so it doesn't really count and at 100,000 euros probably a bit steep for me.

[scumdog]

They got the Japs involved now?? Looks suspiciously old Kawasaki

Re Boulevard et al: They got the Yanks involved now? Looks suspiciously old Harley...........

They're all just bikes, enjoy them.

[nudemetalz]

I'm surprised that they didn't wait until their (allegedly) water-cooled variant of the Sportster engine was ready and utilise that. Perhaps the air-cooled model goes with the retro looks better.

(What the originals used to do...)

[Motu]

Well the thread title was not meant to be HD bashing, all I meant is that HD's are not the first choice of motorcycles for me
So apologies

A GN250 is not my first choice either,but I don't make a song and dance about them.What I don't like is irrelevent,what I do like is positive and forward thinking.

As far as I'm concerned if you can't say anything good about a person you shut up....same goes for bikes.

[MSTRS]

Well the thread title was not meant to be HD bashing, ...
I rode my mate's M2 Cyclone (HD-powered obviously) and really liked it, and then this pic of the XR1200 I do like too.

So apologies if it came across like that ( and I'd love to see that video of the flat-tracking !!).

Crawler....:Pokey:

Re Boulevard et al: They got the Yanks involved now? Looks suspiciously old Harley...........

They're all just bikes, enjoy them.

Hey! No fair. Only HD bashing allowed:spanking:
.

[McJim]

The tartan terrorist is right about the Wakan but thats an S&S motor so it doesn't really count and at 100,000 euros probably a bit steep for me.

Joel Domergue (the manufacturer) reckons he will price them at 28,000 Euro or less. Or at least he did in the August 2006 Motorcycle Trader & News.

[Dooly]

Neat looking bike.

[Motig]

Like it. Please send one for long term testing.:cool:

[kiwifruit]

hell yeah, looks hot :cool:

[nudemetalz]

Crawler....:Pokey:


.
maybe......:whistle:

[Ixion]

I understand what NM means. I'm not normally a "harley" person, but that machine, to me, is somewhat different to what I think of as "Harley". Nothing wrong with the traditional Harley's , just not my cup of tea. In the same way that out and out pure (big) sprotsbikes aren't my cup of tea either. Whereas that new one could be. So Harley maybe will extend into a new sales demographic.

It's got the controls in the normal place. And a nice sensible handlebar position.

And I like the aircooled OHV motor. Nice and simple. Less to go wrong

Not quite sure where it fits in though. Not a crusier, but not a sprotsbike. And for a tourer you'd want a screen and that tank looks awfully small for touring.

But I presume that you could get luggage for it, that's always been one really good thing about Harleys, they do good luggage.

One day I must actually ride a Harley. But my only experience of trying to ride a crusier puts me off. Just too strange. I guess it's what one is used to.

[nudemetalz]

Thanks Ixion, that's exactly what I was trying to say,...but I think Motu figured I was bashing Harleys (which I wasn't).

I reckon the XR1200 will fit in as a playbike....like go for a Sunday blast to the top of the Rima's (or the Akaroa GP if you're in ChCh).
Similar fashion to some of the Buell models.

If I had the (disposable) money I would seriously consider purchasing one of these, I really do like the style of it.

[Crisis management]

Joel Domergue (the manufacturer) reckons he will price them at 28,000 Euro or less. Or at least he did in the August 2006 Motorcycle Trader & News.
Don't you hate it when some bastard proves you wrong......

Alright, I cocked up, satisfied???

Thats it for the month tho, no more apologies.

[Ixion]

,,
Similar fashion to some of the Buell models.

,,

That's a good point. I wonder if HD management are taking aim at Buell. It's been a good relationship for both, but sooner or later HD must figure "why have another company do what we could do ourselves"

[Motu]

Street trackers are a better street weapon motards I reckon,they carry weight further forward than a dirt bike which helps pushing hard in corners.My XLV750 carried a hell of a lot of weight forward,and was the best handling ''dirt'' bike I've ever ridden.Streettrackers are still a sub culture.so it's good to see a manufacturer pick them up....but Harley make the real thing! Almost like the guys in the design dept never walk into the competition shop.

I hope to make a streettracker one day,just looking for the donor bike....gotta be a big twin,min of 650.

[nudemetalz]

I hope to make a streettracker one day,just looking for the donor bike....gotta be a big twin,min of 650.

I reckon an Yammie XTZ750 would be good basis.
Apparently the 10V twin engine is a gem too.

[onearmedbandit]

Nice clean lines, that's a good looking bike.

[Crasherfromwayback]

90bhp out of a 1200cc motor, on that basis alone they need to be smacked.

Well, it's hard to describe, but 90bhp outta one feels really good, and they're such a lazy power delivery that they can be ridden surprisingly quickly.

Bring back 'Twinsport' racing, and I'll be there!

[McJim]

Have HD mentioned a price yet (even in US$ - we can convert!)?

[Hillbilly]

What about Buel?

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's a good point. I wonder if HD management are taking aim at Buell. It's been a good relationship for both, but sooner or later HD must figure "why have another company do what we could do ourselves"

HD own Buell now Ixion. Hence the build quality of Buells has risen to much better levels.

[nudemetalz]

Well, it's hard to describe, but 90bhp outta one feels really good, and they're such a lazy power delivery that they can be ridden surprisingly quickly.



Doesn't the Yamaha MT01 have only 90hp out of 1670cc motor?
I reckon HD have done well there.
As CWB says, it will probably have torque everywhere and with those twin pipes a decent sound.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Doesn't the Yamaha MT01 have only 90hp out of 1670cc motor?
I reckon HD have done well there.
As CWB says, it will probably have torque everywhere and with those twin pipes a decent sound.

Something like that. Most of us can ride quicker with more torque....easier to harness than outright HP. When I used to race 883's, we spent a lot of time with the bike on our dyno chasing torque, not HP. Better drive out of corners equals greater speed down the straights!

[scumdog]

Doesn't the Yamaha MT01 have only 90hp out of 1670cc motor?
I reckon HD have done well there.
As CWB says, it will probably have torque everywhere and with those twin pipes a decent sound.

Some people have a focus on horsepower and speed, it's like they want to terminate the journey asap instead of enjoying the cruise getting there.

[nudemetalz]

Some people have a focus on horsepower and speed, it's like they want to terminate the journey asap instead of enjoying the cruise getting there.

Totally true. Reckon the XR1200 will be jack-of all-trades machine.
Wonder how long it will be before they're released.
Nothing on the HD website about them.

[onearmedbandit]

That's why I have the thou. I can't harness all the power on the street (not without losing my license) but the torque it makes, pure bliss riding the crest of it out of turns (when I'm not overstepping my ability and highsiding it, that is).

[nudemetalz]

That's why I have the thou. I can't harness all the power on the street (not without losing my license) but the torque it makes, pure bliss riding the crest of it out of turns (when I'm not overstepping my ability and highsiding it, that is).

Oh yes, that was a great video, well for us to watch. Reminds me of when I highsided my RS-125 onto the straight at Ruapuna also...not much fun.

I liked riding my ZX-10 for that reason also, lots of torque, no need to rev, instant overtaking ability without downchanging.

[Motu]

I reckon an Yammie XTZ750 would be good basis.
Apparently the 10V twin engine is a gem too.

The XLV750 would be even better - it was used to homogulate the RS750 flattracker engine.For years I've been tempted to get a frame a mate has lying around - an oil in frame Triumph modified to take an XS650 engine.The Triumph frame is almost identical to a Trackmaster frame,they were used as the model for the production frame.A lot of parts to find,modify,adapt and build....I'd love to do it,but need to put myself into a better position time wise.

[Motu]

but the torque it makes, pure bliss riding the crest of it out of turns (when I'm not overstepping my ability and highsiding it, that is).

You need a V twin with a falling torque curve,then you could ride that out.You should be able to play with the wheelspin,not have it lash out and spit you off. (talking about ability I only have on the internet)

[nudemetalz]

What about something like this, Motu
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-accessories/Engine-drive-train/auction-72779342.htm

XS650 project.

[Big Dave]

That's why I have the thou. I can't harness all the power on the street (not without losing my license) but the torque it makes, pure bliss riding the crest of it out of turns (when I'm not overstepping my ability and highsiding it, that is).

Yebbut - the torque of a multi is........ahhh whatever.

[Ixion]

So the HD has the same torque as the litre 4 cylinder. Just not as much top end power. Which everyone says they can't use on the road anyway. So why bag HD for 90hp? If what's really wanted is torque not power?

Serious question. Can anyone say they use more than 70hp on the road? More than 100hp? . I'm not talking about wanting a bike with > 100hp for the sake of low end torque (as OAB was). I'm asking if anyone actually uses > 100hp on the road., ie a > 100hp engine and wringing its nuts off, keeping the revs right up at the red line all the time, like someone on a 250 does? Remembering that a 150hp bike doesn't produce that figure unl;ess it's pretty near the red line.

Cos if people don't actually use the top end power of the 100hp+ jobs, then the HD actually seems a lot more sensible. Same torque, which IS used, less top end horsepower, which isn't.

[nudemetalz]

The other thing to take into consideration is that HD have to make it a reasonable weight too, to take advantage of the torque and make it handle decently, like Buell has.

[onearmedbandit]

While I can't use all the power all the time, I love it when I can. Hence why the thou holds more appeal to me than a 90hp bike with the same torque.

[Motu]

What about something like this, Motu
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-accessories/Engine-drive-train/auction-72779342.htm

XS650 project.

Nearly perfect,but a bit of a mismatch with the wheels.I'm a dab hand at picking up other people projects and finishing them off.But it's not even worth half the starting price,let alone whatever the reserve is.

How much hp do we need? I suspect if we had on board data for ''the fight club'' for example doing their thing....they might be very surprised with what they see.Probably pulling hp figures for a 250.

I've found I like certain hp figures for different sized bikes...60hp is good for a bigger bike,and 40hp for a smaller one.Exactly what the XLV750 and DT230 are,and both have the same power to weight ratio - it's power I can use nearly all of,but still enough to get me into trouble.Actualy the DT230 is agressive at lower speeds and I have to treat it with more respect than I did the XLV750 on the same roads.So 40hp is too much for me...

[Ixion]

Interesting. You conclusions about usable power are almost identical to mine, though I'd distinguish on road type rather than bike size.

For back roads 30 to 40 hp is about right, so long asits grunty power. For main roads and long distance touring, 70ish hp is what works for me.

Above that, I think the extra is seldom used. Maybe up to 100 for two up touring .

Though it would prolly make a difference if you rode the same bit of road over and over, so you knoew it really well. I seldom know the roads I'm travelling on that well, and too much hp can be tiresome.

[98tls]

that harley looks the nuts......only thing i would change would be put on some old style high pipes.........

[Crasherfromwayback]

I've found I like certain hp figures for different sized bikes...60hp is good for a bigger bike,and 40hp for a smaller one.Exactly what the XLV750 and DT230 are,and both have the same power to weight ratio - it's power I can use nearly all of,but still enough to get me into trouble.Actualy the DT230 is agressive at lower speeds and I have to treat it with more respect than I did the XLV750 on the same roads.So 40hp is too much for me...

I had several KX500's, and from around '89' onwards, they all produced no more than 60 odd HP. Because it was useless to have anymore. Too much wheelspin etc. From then on, KHI tried to make them more user friendly with a wider spread of power and a flatter torque curve. Honda never used power valves in the CR 500, and while it was/is quicker than a KX500, it's a whole heap harder to ride quickly for us mere mortals. Modern 4 strokes like my RMZ are even easier and faster to ride in the dirt with only around 56 HP. They're also as fast on a road race track. So you're right, too much is not faster!

[nudemetalz]

Just noticed after staring at it for a while.... it has a removable backpiece for a pillion and pegs just in front of the shocks.

[nudemetalz]

I had several KX500's, and from around '89' onwards, they all produced no more than 60 odd HP. Because it was useless to have anymore. Too much wheelspin etc. From then on, KHI tried to make them more user friendly with a wider spread of power and a flatter torque curve. Honda never used power valves in the CR 500, and while it was/is quicker than a KX500, it's a whole heap harder to ride quickly for us mere mortals. Modern 4 strokes like my RMZ are even easier and faster to ride in the dirt with only around 56 HP. They're also as fast on a road race track. So you're right, too much is not faster!

And those big 2-strokes don't really do much more than 7000rpm do they.

[Crasherfromwayback]

And those big 2-strokes don't really do much more than 7000rpm do they.

KX500 max is around 7500, and up there they vibrate like fuck and flatten right off anyway. RMZ goes to around 9500 and pulls hard all the way.

[nudemetalz]

Many many many (did I say many?) moons ago when I was a boy of 16 I had a 1978 Yamaha DT400...I remember that thing would bite if you didn't keep it under a strong leash while travelling off-road but there was not many hills it would not grunt up.....

Anyway, getting back on track, while talking about big torquey twins, Ducati have released a Biposto version of their Sport 1000.
Now this is equally gorgeous in a retro way....

[Motu]

Those things are twice the capacity of the DT230 and maybe weigh less,way too much power for me!

When I was watching Bathurst I think they said full throttle was used for 50% of a lap....they change up at max revs.So how much of the lap was it making full HP? A handfull of seconds.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Those things are twice the capacity of the DT230 and maybe weigh less,way too much power for me!

When I was watching Bathurst I think they said full throttle was used for 50% of a lap....they change up at max revs.So how much of the lap was it making full HP? A handfull of seconds.

Quite right. And a moto GP bike only spends around 5% of it's time per lap on 'full song'.....kinda fun to have it when you get get the open space to 'try' and use it though!!
I used to do a lot of beach racing, and you can ring a 500's neck all day in the sand.....

[scumdog]

So the HD has the same torque as the litre 4 cylinder. Just not as much top end power. Which everyone says they can't use on the road anyway. So why bag HD for 90hp? If what's really wanted is torque not power?

Serious question. Can anyone say they use more than 70hp on the road? More than 100hp? . I'm not talking about wanting a bike with > 100hp for the sake of low end torque (as OAB was). I'm asking if anyone actually uses > 100hp on the road., ie a > 100hp engine and wringing its nuts off, keeping the revs right up at the red line all the time, like someone on a 250 does? Remembering that a 150hp bike doesn't produce that figure unl;ess it's pretty near the red line.

Cos if people don't actually use the top end power of the 100hp+ jobs, then the HD actually seems a lot more sensible. Same torque, which IS used, less top end horsepower, which isn't.

My 'new' 1450cc Hogly has a sticker on the frame, says "25kw version" (near the db. reading), dunno what the ferk 25kw means (except the lights would be rather dim) but it cruises effortlessly with CB and I and a bit of luggage aboard when touring, has enough torque to tow-start a D8 bulldozer by the feel of it.

I still wouldn't mind a tad more grunt but even if it never got up to 100hp I could care less.

[Dazza]

Anyway, getting back on track, while talking about big torquey twins, Ducati have released a Biposto version of their Sport 1000.
Now this is equally gorgeous in a retro way....
My goodness, if I had far too much money, that honey would have to be in my dream shed.:cool:

[doc]

My 'new' 1450cc Hogly has a sticker on the frame, says "25kw version" (near the db. reading), dunno what the ferk 25kw means (except the lights would be rather dim) but it cruises effortlessly with CB and I and a bit of luggage aboard when touring, has enough torque to tow-start a D8 bulldozer by the feel of it.

I still wouldn't mind a tad more grunt but even if it never got up to 100hp I could care less.

How do you compare the T Sport to the sporty is the sporty still more fun in the twisties ? I've been 6 Sth Island trips on my sporty from Jaffaland no problem always uncomfortable but any bike is uncomfortable 4000k over week to 10 days,interested in going to a bigger Hardley but just don't think I can handle the flack of riding a bigblock to be on the incrowd. The sporty has to be the most under rated bike of all time, after all its basically the longest produced model (loosely similiar to 1957) bike in production still. Soon as people start raving about Hardley's I switch off they are usually talking about jewelery. If you can get around the bullshit about horsepower etc etc HD is a pretty good product... interested in hearing your comments

[doc]

sorry guys meant to pm Scumdog

[scumdog]

How do you compare the T Sport to the sporty is the sporty still more fun in the twisties ? I've been 6 Sth Island trips on my sporty from Jaffaland no problem always uncomfortable but any bike is uncomfortable 4000k over week to 10 days,interested in going to a bigger Hardley but just don't think I can handle the flack of riding a bigblock to be on the incrowd. The sporty has to be the most under rated bike of all time, after all its basically the longest produced model (loosely similiar to 1957) bike in production still. Soon as people start raving about Hardley's I switch off they are usually talking about jewelery. If you can get around the bullshit about horsepower etc etc HD is a pretty good product... interested in hearing your comments

The T-Sport is more suited to touring two-up with gear, it has more suspension travel and CB's back doesn't get jarred with th suspension bottoming-out like it did with the Sporty, the quick detachable side-bags on the T-Sport are another asset.
Having said that the Sporty was more nimble on the twisty bits (mainly cos the T-Sport makes nasty scraping noises when you try to corner in the same manner!!) and is quicker off the mark despite being 250cc smaller.

Both the bikes share the same adjustable front forks, twin discs and instruments, the T-Sport has adjustable rear shocks but different style to the Sporty ones.

The T-Sport gains it's 'comfort' level compared to the Sporty by having a longer wheel-base and more suspension travel.

One-up a Sportster 'S' would be A1 for touring, two up it's a bit marginal but we coped.


Wanna buy a good 1200 Sportster 'S'?? huh? huh?

[nudemetalz]

My mate who has the Buell M2 Cyclone had a XL1200R Sportster before that.
He's not that tall a guy so he wanted the bars a little higher.
You know what he did?
He got some longer bolts and used 4 chrome sockets (drilled right out) as spacers. Looked great, you couldn't tell what they used to be !!
Worked perfectly too.

[slimjim]

:baby: gee's most parts on this little fucker are made and reassembled in the states by japs, now the yank's have gone and made it so you can't fuck around with the air intake, what the fuck's up with this, fucking electronically active air intake system, fuck another thing that a k/n filter won't fit in:crybaby:

[HenryDorsetCase]

sign me up. Id own that like a shot.

[Edbear]

The 1200 Sporty has always been my favourite HD, (well maybe since that XLCH 1000 back in the '70's!). I like it, but still think staggered duals are the best looking pipes.

Unfortunately, I have too much else on, financially, at the mo' to be able to make an offer, SD!

One of my customers has a 1200 for sale as he's hardly ridden it! It's a '03 I think, for about $13k? But it's not the twin disc model. Only got 13k on the clock, too! Looks brand new.

Comments about useable power are interesting. My 600 is rated at 80hp and it can get up and boogie! However it's also happy pootling along at the legal limit. Plenty of torque for 6th gear overtaking in most situations, too, but knocking it down to 4th is a real rush!

BusaPete was quite complimentary after I hooked up with them for a trip around the Waipu loop, and I didn't feel too outclassed, even though the bikes I was with would eat the 'F' in outright speed!

Can understand how the power of the thou's and over could be addictive, though!

Very few bikes I don't like, I just love bikes!

[Kyle]

Obviously its not a race bike, so 90bhp out of 1200cc is perfectly fine. Personally id use a 94cbr600 putting out around 100hp for the race track, and ride the big stonking, loud and thumping HD on the road. That is, if i could afford one. Good on HD for trying different things i say.

One thing you have to keep in mind with those HD motors is what 'can' be done to them. Jackdaniels racing have a HD drag bike, putting out something like 700hp. That methanol breathing demon would scare most people i think.

[Lou Girardin]

At least the Sporty's don't have the new active exhaust control. It's a Euro spec device to cut noise, but it makes it sound like it's running on 1 cyl at times.
It's bloody hard to cheat too. No doubt some techo genius is already working on a way to get the 'potato potato' back.

[nudemetalz]

At least the Sporty's don't have the new active exhaust control. It's a Euro spec device to cut noise, but it makes it sound like it's running on 1 cyl at times.
It's bloody hard to cheat too. No doubt some techo genius is already working on a way to get the 'potato potato' back.

I wonder how Senior, Pauly and Mikey get on with exhaust noise control.....:spanking:

[kr250]

For christ sake,if it's a bike ride it and enjoy it,this bullshit about status pose etc is crap:weep:

[scumdog]

For christ sake,if it's a bike ride it and enjoy it,this bullshit about status pose etc is crap:weep:

Shit no, it's ALL about pose, status etc.:Pokey: Bling, tassles, staccato exhaust noise - ya gotta have it all!!:lol:

[Edbear]

Well, maybe not the tassles....:whistle:

[98tls]

Well, maybe not the tassles....:whistle: Down south tassles are like Red Bands.............mandatory............:banana:

[Shadows]

So the HD has the same torque as the litre 4 cylinder. Just not as much top end power. Which everyone says they can't use on the road anyway. So why bag HD for 90hp? If what's really wanted is torque not power?

Serious question. Can anyone say they use more than 70hp on the road? More than 100hp? . I'm not talking about wanting a bike with > 100hp for the sake of low end torque (as OAB was). I'm asking if anyone actually uses > 100hp on the road., ie a > 100hp engine and wringing its nuts off, keeping the revs right up at the red line all the time, like someone on a 250 does? Remembering that a 150hp bike doesn't produce that figure unl;ess it's pretty near the red line.

Cos if people don't actually use the top end power of the 100hp+ jobs, then the HD actually seems a lot more sensible. Same torque, which IS used, less top end horsepower, which isn't.

Totally, utterly and unarguably spot on, I couldn't have said it better myself. Crasher had it pinned as well.

As for the bike though, I like where they were trying to go with design, but they've fucked it all up. Its a mongrel, it looks like the arse half was taken from a Guzzikwakasuki and welded on to the front of a Sportster that was dropped on its head as a baby. Whats with the angular modern looking tailpiece matched with an almost traditional tank? They should have gone with more of a coffin shaped tank like the original XR.
What about the plasticy shit around the bottom of the tank, is that a new air intake set up? It looks cheap and nasty, could have been done much better.
Did they take the wheels off an old MVX or something and paint them black?
The more I look at it the more I think its just wrong.
Aarrrrgh I just had another look.... fuck its ugly!

[Edbear]

Just what are you trying to say, Shadmeister...?<_<

[HenryDorsetCase]

I like where they were trying to go with design, but they've fucked it all up. Its a mongrel, it looks like the arse half was taken from a Guzzikwakasuki and welded on to the front of a Sportster that was dropped on its head as a baby. Whats with the angular modern looking tailpiece matched with an almost traditional tank? They should have gone with more of a coffin shaped tank like the original XR.
What about the plasticy shit around the bottom of the tank, is that a new air intake set up?

um. look at at track only XR to see where the design cues for the tailpiece come from.

[Crasherfromwayback]

um. look at at track only XR to see where the design cues for the tailpiece come from.

Yeah, you used to be able to buy that tailpiece from the acc catalogue.
Simon Turner had one on his 883 race bike he rode for Road & Sport.
They looked horn!

I NEED one of these new 'XR' Reps......

[HenryDorsetCase]

the only thing I will do to mine when it arrives is put spoked wheels on it. black rims, black hubs, cut slicks, debaffle the zorst. sorted.

[Motu]

And high left hand pipes...but you can't make a good job of that with standard heads.

A mate of mine has an XR1000 with low staggered right hand pipes - what a total waste of XR heads! Someone went to a lot of trouble to make them look like a standard Sportster.

[nudemetalz]

I betcha the aftermarket companies in Yankland are already designing bits for it.
ie...Corbin, V&H, Dynojet etc etc....

[Crasherfromwayback]

A mate of mine has an XR1000 with low staggered right hand pipes - what a total waste of XR heads! Someone went to a lot of trouble to make them look like a standard Sportster.

sacrilege!
Nothing but high pipes on XR's should be allowed!

[nudemetalz]

sacrilege!
Nothing but high pipes on XR's should be allowed!

As I've "heard" that you "know" someone from Welly Motorcycles you might be able to get the "inside info" on if/when these will be released.
Love to see one in the flesh (metal).

[nudemetalz]

the only thing I will do to mine when it arrives is put spoked wheels on it. black rims, black hubs, cut slicks, debaffle the zorst. sorted.

You mean like the Storz XR1200.....nice !!!!

(Betcha Motu and CFWB drool over this...)

[Motu]

NOW I'm sold!

[Crasherfromwayback]

As I've "heard" that you "know" someone from Welly Motorcycles you might be able to get the "inside info" on if/when these will be released.
Love to see one in the flesh (metal).

lol....like me you mean??
As soon as I know more, I'll let you know!

[Crasherfromwayback]

NOW I'm sold!

Wonder if we'll get a discount if we order two!!!

[nudemetalz]

Wonder if we'll get a discount if we order two!!!

Make that three !!!

The website says you can buy them as turnkey (about US$25K) or as a kit for a 1200 Sporty. They recommend the 1200R.
The only performance mods seem to be the aircleaner and pipes, but I guess if you would spend that sort of money you'd maybe put in some Screaming Eagle parts as well.
(http://www.storzperf.com/XR1200_FAQ.html)

[avgas]

mmmmmmmmm flat trackers........looks like the big brother to the buel blast 500

[HenryDorsetCase]

Street trackers are a better street weapon motards I reckon,they carry weight further forward than a dirt bike which helps pushing hard in corners.My XLV750 carried a hell of a lot of weight forward,and was the best handling ''dirt'' bike I've ever ridden.Streettrackers are still a sub culture.so it's good to see a manufacturer pick them up....but Harley make the real thing! Almost like the guys in the design dept never walk into the competition shop.

I hope to make a streettracker one day,just looking for the donor bike....gotta be a big twin,min of 650.

there was a TRX 850 motor on tardme last week.


just saying.

:)

[imdying]

You mean like the Storz XR1200.....nice !!!!The factory one looks better to me.

[nudemetalz]

The factory one looks better to me.


I like both.
My opinion is that the Storz version is a traditional/modern way of a "XR750 Replica" and the 2007 XR1200 is a modern/modern approach to an "XR750 replica".

The Harley one will have all of the latest improvements to the V2 which would be an advantage.

Still it's horses for courses.

[Clivoris]

the only thing I will do to mine when it arrives is put spoked wheels on it. black rims, black hubs, cut slicks, debaffle the zorst. sorted.

Good move bro. Those mags look a bit lego. Love the look otherwise.

[imdying]

I like both.
My opinion is that the Storz version is a traditional/modern way of a "XR750 Replica" and the 2007 XR1200 is a modern/modern approach to an "XR750 replica".

The Harley one will have all of the latest improvements to the V2 which would be an advantage.

Still it's horses for courses.
I suspect thinks would even up a lot once the hideous Storz sticker on the tank was peeled off :yes:

[nudemetalz]

A few more pics of the XR1200...the fast cornering one is good.

[Bren_chch]

mmm cool looking bike, but whats up with that headlight, needs to be bigger or a twin setup, anyhow i'd rather this!

turbo 1350cc... yum yum

[scumdog]

mmm cool looking bike, but whats up with that headlight, needs to be bigger or a twin setup, anyhow i'd rather this!

turbo 1350cc... yum yum

VERY very nice!

Has a very 'clean' look about the whole bike and the turbo instalation look very sanitary!:niceone:

[nudemetalz]

Betcha she's a little quick too......:2thumbsup

[AllanB]

XS650 tracker - paint is over the top but the concept sound - shame Triumph don't do one...