Dangerous........Define Dangerous.....

[98tls]

Went for a ride today....all was good until cresting a hill on the back wheel ..theres a cop...:banana: thought about doing a runner but common sese took over...his lights were on before front wheel touched down...a long conversation began about danderous driving......fair go to him as thats his job but when i asked him to define dangerous all i got was that i will receive a summons....at one stage the way he was talking i was walking and was happy enough to be able to get back on bike....were does it say what i was doing was dangerous...am i up against his opinion of dangerous or is there a rule book that says its dangerous...he never gave me a speed reading..just the dangerous thing......?

[-df-]

as I understand it, its the cops opinion of dangerious driving...as well as the judges if it goes to court, although they will probably take the opinion of the cop.

I remember reading the defination of dangerious driving and that was my interpretation of it.

[Smokin]

From what I was told from the cop that let me away with it and just gave me a ticket for 120kph it is a dangerous driving offence, He could have made me walk also.

bad luck mate.

[98tls]

From what I was told from the cop that let me away with it and just gave me a ticket for 120kph it is a dangerous driving offence, He could have made me walk also.

bad luck mate. Bugger...............this guy must have been having a bad day...i was only doing about 120/130....

[marty]

done to death but;

(b)Drives or causes a motor vehicle to be driven on a road at a speed or in a manner which, having regard to all the circumstances, is or might be dangerous to the public or to a person; or

it's pretty obvious what the outcome will be. if the argument is not that there was NO wheelie, just that the agreed wheelie was dangerous, then you're probably outta luck

http://www.netlaw.co.nz/Crime.cfm

[slimjim]

say your not guilty, save up for next couple of months for thee fine ,get a lawyer, cause you may lose your licenee too, fuck you should have done a runner

[98tls]

done to death but;

(b)Drives or causes a motor vehicle to be driven on a road at a speed or in a manner which, having regard to all the circumstances, is or might be dangerous to the public or to a person; or

it's pretty obvious what the outcome will be. if the argument is not that there was NO wheelie, just that the agreed wheelie was dangerous, then you're probably outta luck

http://www.netlaw.co.nz/Crime.cfm Cheers Marty....says it all really eh....will just plead guilty and say i had the wind in my sails on such a beaut day and was a bit over exurberant...sorry your honour...................:cool: hope the license doesnt go eh........

[marty]

unfortunately a conviction for dangerous carries a minimum of 6 months disqual.

and i meant to say *agreed wheelie was or was not dangerous*.

i'd defend it. nothing to lose. defend it either on

1. there was no wheelie your honour
2. any raising of the front wheel was caused by the shite rear factory suspension on the TL (get a friendly suzuki mechanic) coupled with the crappy road surface/rise
3. that the wheelie was under full control, in fact it wasn't even a wheelie, more a roll-on of power from the mighty v-twin causing the front wheel to rise (as in motogp/superbikes - show a superbike video to drive home the point) and was not dangerous at any time to anyone.

personally, i'd go for #3. #2 shows that you didn't have control, you probably stuffed #1 by your long conversation with the 5-0

[Indiana_Jones]

best of luck to you mate :)

-Indy

[The Stranger]

done to death but;

(b)Drives or causes a motor vehicle to be driven on a road at a speed or in a manner which, having regard to all the circumstances, is or might be dangerous to the public or to a person; or



Damn... "is or might be dangerous".
Looks like riding a motorcycle constitutes dangerous driving.
You're screwed.

[adiddy]

sucks bro, if id ur bike yayah haha see ya
mmm so what you get a ticket ?! i dont think you said what actually happened as in outcome?!

[adiddy]

yeah uhh i think id go with number 3, you could say that you had to slip the bike down a gear as to carry on in the climb?! which caused a slight increase in front wheel lift!!!

[98tls]

Did think about it and have done it in the past but common sense...or is it getting older made me pull over....the result was a bit of paper telling me im off to court......will receive due date in the post...at worst it would be worth pleading not guilty just to put it off until the good weather goes away

[adiddy]

dude , your bike is fuck*&^ nice.. just saw it in your profile where i thought ud have 1.
wheres your number plate kept?!
yeah mmm dont know what its like down your ways i suppose it mite be harder to get away a

[scracha]

yeah uhh i think id go with number 3, you could say that you had to slip the bike down a gear as to carry on in the climb?! which caused a slight increase in front wheel lift!!!

I'd try and stress the point that you were cresting a hill within the speed limit as opposed to hoisting a huge minger at 130kph.

"The bike's rather light at the front m'lud and sometimes the front wheel lifts. It's a daily occurrence and is under full control. Would I get penalised for dangerous driving if I drove over one of our highway's numerous potholes and one of the wheels came of the ground? What's the difference? I appreciate it may have looked rather frightening to someone not used to motorcycles m'lud but the same could be said about leaning over to go round a corner. "

[The Stranger]

I know LB had his dangerous charge reduced to careless for pulling a stoppie.
The car behind him was a cop.
Surely a wheelie is no worse, sounds a bit harsh.

When I was in court on Tuesday for my dangerous some guy was facing dangerous for sustained loss of traction. Quite humerous really cause the judge goes, that is an expensive car I doubt it was intentional. I wanted to yell out "yeah right". Anyway, is that a reality, like can you be charged with dangerous for a sustained loss of traction? If so I suppose they could argue that a wheelie produced a sustained loss of traction.

[Forest]

unfortunately a conviction for dangerous carries a minimum of 6 months disqual.


So a wheelie is now considered a license losing offence?

That's just fscked up.

[scracha]

Bugger...............this guy must have been having a bad day...i was only doing about 120/130....
Oops..never read that bit first time around. I'd say you're @#$cked.

[marty]

only since the Transport Act of 1962

scratcha has the right idea

[adiddy]

did he get your speed?!

mmm yeah
JUDGE "your cars worth what $150,000 has 500hp i dont think it was intentional you wouldnt wanna write that off...." yeah right
man things they get away with , youl be all gud lol say you wouldnt wanna fall off as you have seen what happens to others and that all was under control

[adiddy]

I'd try and stress the point that you were cresting a hill within the speed limit as opposed to hoisting a huge minger at 130kph.

"The bike's rather light at the front m'lud and sometimes the front wheel lifts. It's a daily occurrence and is under full control. Would I get penalised for dangerous driving if I drove over one of our highway's numerous potholes and one of the wheels came of the ground? What's the difference? I appreciate it may have looked rather frightening to someone not used to motorcycles m'lud but the same could be said about leaning over to go round a corner. "

yeah mate , right idea A+

[98tls]

Oops..never read that bit first time around. I'd say you're @#$cked. yea but i never got a speeding ticket...in fact i dont even think he clocked me...cant have....just got all excited when he saw the underside of the sump comin down the road and the front wheel ahhhh.....skyward.....

[Kyle]

Ive heard that wheelies can be classed as 'sustained loss of traction' which would get ya instant impound and loss of license for 30 days.

Dangerous is not a good charge to get, 6 months loss of license is standard spanking for that one. You could say not guilty and it`ll get stood down for a rehearing. if your lucky like i was, the rehearing was a few months, and then you can say not guility again and get another stand down. In the end to avoid paying any lawyer costs i just said, guility and got the standard fine, 6 months loss. but at least i kept my license for over a year since the offence.

And then you can not pay the fine and it will go to court for unpaid fines, and you can plead that you cant afford it, say you sold the bike or they might try to sell it for you, do a few days PD work and fines gone. I managed to turn four grand fines into 5 days PD work. Thats 6weeks periodic detention for you young man (sounds bad huh) well turned out it was one day a week, lunch supplied, (opps missed the first one thats breach of PD) first time? ok we`ll let you off this time, 5 days work, 4grand dusted. The things we learn as young stupid people.

These days i drive to protect my licence, my full motorcycle licence is like 'the one ring' to me, My precious!!

[Clivoris]

Oh man! That sucks the kumara:angry: It's probably worth trying to get it downgraded to careless driving but I wouldn't have a clue how to do that cheaply. :brick:

[chanceyy]

hmm guess you can not get away with spring fever then ? (whats that song " i feel good...")

defend it .. really you have nothing more to lose .. & at the start of the hopefully sunny weather .. bugger

other thing is 6 months can go pretty fast .. & you can apply for license to get to work etc .

guess your :buggerd: but take ya :spanking: Live & learn huh

[98tls]

:( i do have a mate that works in a bike shop............maybe he could diagnosis a sticky throttle cable...............:whistle:

[maneac]

i got caught doing about 90 in a 50 seen the lights come on carried on then finally got caught got done for dangrous driving loss my licence for 6 months $1500 fine and 60 hours c/service:spanking:

[chanceyy]

i got caught doing about 90 in a 50 seen the lights come on carried on then finally got caught got done for dangrous driving loss my licence for 6 months $1500 fine and 60 hours c/service:spanking:

is that cause you was doing 40ks over the speed limit or not stopping or both .. cause doing a runner ( carrying on) does not bode well :spanking: :spanking: :spanking:

[maneac]

is that cause you was doing 40ks over the speed limit or not stopping or both .. cause doing a runner ( carrying on) does not bode well :spanking: :spanking: :spanking:

i think the fine and loss of licence was for speeding and c/service was for falling to stop for red and blue lights

[spudchucka]

Ive heard that wheelies can be classed as 'sustained loss of traction' which would get ya instant impound and loss of license for 30 days.

Nope. Sustained loss of traction relates to the driven wheels, ie: A Burnout.

Wheelies will attract dangerous driving or careless driving charges depending on the circumstances.

[98tls]

Nope. Sustained loss of traction relates to the driven wheels, ie: A Burnout.

Wheelies will attract dangerous driving or careless driving charges depending on the circumstances. yep.....................

[jonbuoy]

Sorry off topic - but in the NZ herald a couple of days ago there was a story of a woman running a red light, ploughing into a car which hit a bike and killed the rider -

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/search/story.cfm?storyid=0009B0E8-0F78-152A-A76883027AF1010E

So how does she get away with careless driving and you get a dangerous driving? Thats not right

[Sketchy_Racer]

The driver of the northbound car pleaded guilty to a charge of careless driving causing death after a police investigation concluded she was up to 100m from the intersection by the time the lights turned amber, and apparently did not notice them changing to red

Well thats a load of fucken shit. I don't know what its like up your ways, but the lights in kapiti, have at least 5 seconds of a 'saftey net' so to speak. So assuming thats what the lights there had, means that the light would have been red for 5 seconds or so before she went through.


Hey 98tls,

You should use this argument in your court case.

How is it poissible that when some one runs a red and kills someone, they get a little slap on the hands?
Yet when a motorcyclist does a under control wheelie, where the only person he is going to indanger is himself, gets done for more than a person that killed a guy because they are blind or retarded fuckers that cant see or understand that red means STOP.

gah...... The justest system...... my fucken arse its just...

[ManDownUnder]

Damn... "is or might be dangerous".
Looks like riding a motorcycle constitutes dangerous driving.
You're screwed.


LOL.... fuck.... we're all screwed mate. Ever heard a non motorcyclist describe bikes as one of the safer forms of transport?

It might be dangerous to a person alright. Fall off and see how safe you are

[Dazza]

Bugger Dude, sorta makes me feel guilty for what I'm about to post. Got pulled in town last Saturday when I accidentaly hoisted it when I left the bike shop and then hooked second, not looking @ the speedo I notice a Police car to my left waiting @ the intersection. Immediately touch down & wave sheepishly to the 2 Police Officers in the patrol car. Long story short I was already off the bike and helmet off before they had their car park. Officer 1 gets out of said patrol car shaking his head, think shit:buggerd: I'm in it now but hey I did just pull a Mono in front of the Police, I'm in the wrong. I obvioulsy passed the attitude test (he did say nice wheelie) as he let me stew for a while & sent me on my way with a "don't do it again".Note to self, don't pull Mono's in front of manned Patrol cars !!!
So feel for ya 98tls, hope the outcome is not too severe.

[sAsLEX]

Bugger Dude, sorta makes me feel guilty for what I'm about to post. Got pulled in town last Saturday when I accidentaly hoisted it when I left the bike shop and then hooked second, not looking @ the speedo I notice a Police car to my left waiting @ the intersection. Immediately touch down & wave sheepishly to the 2 Police Officers in the patrol car. Long story short I was already off the bike and helmet off before they had their car park. Officer 1 gets out of said patrol car shaking his head, think shit:buggerd: I'm in it now but hey I did just pull a Mono in front of the Police, I'm in the wrong. I obvioulsy passed the attitude test (he did say nice wheelie) as he let me stew for a while & sent me on my way with a "don't do it again".Note to self, don't pull Mono's in front of manned Patrol cars !!!
So feel for ya 98tls, hope the outcome is not too severe.

I am guessing attitude coupled with a clean report back when they run your plate and a tidy bike ie wof and reg do count in some cops eyes

[Forest]

Sorry off topic - but in the NZ herald a couple of days ago there was a story of a woman running a red light, ploughing into a car which hit a bike and killed the rider -

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/search/story.cfm?storyid=0009B0E8-0F78-152A-A76883027AF1010E

So how does she get away with careless driving and you get a dangerous driving? Thats not right

Damn that's a sad story. I know that intersection well and he must have been crossing from K-Rd to the Grafton bridge, so he could see his wife at the Auckland Hospital. That means he was only 500m from his destination when the moron in the cage went through the red light and took him out.

[Dazza]

I am guessing attitude coupled with a clean report back when they run your plate and a tidy bike ie wof and reg do count in some cops eyesWell actually Ted, I'd forgotten that my Rego Had expired 5 days previous and he did want to know about my 2 speeding tickets 14 mths ago, first week of owning said motorcyle a week apart, first one was returning from Auckland the first day of ownership & the next a week later almost to the hr returning Fm Auckalnd after my first service. :spanking:

[kiwifruit]

Gutting 98tls :(

id defend it, no laywer....
go for reducing it to careless use of a motor vehicle

good luck!

[SPman]

Ive heard that wheelies can be classed as 'sustained loss of traction'
I guess if you had sustained loss of traction while pulling a wheelie, it could be construed as dangerous, on a public road........

Ask Death............:whistle: