How much do you think it's worth?

[Monorail]

Hi Guys,
I've just about finished creating the new MotoTT website, and was wondering if you guys could put in some input as to how much you think I should charge as it is the first website i've ever made from a commercial viewpoint. Check it out at www.matt.nick-b.net and give your honest opinion. I have spent approx 20 hoursish on it, but have been on msn at the same time
Cheers,
Matt
P.S. If you would like a website built, just pm me.

[DMNTD]

Not an expert or even a beginer re this sort of thing but 20 easy hours has to be worth more than $4p/h surely?
NEVER under value yourself...ever,cause motorcycling is an expensive habit man!!

Are you able to create more "animated/funky" sites?
I'll be seeking someone to design and create one for me in the near future.

[Mr. Peanut]

Its a really good start. Functional too.

www.quasimoto.co.nz <---- Just copy this, and change a few colours ^_^

[Monorail]

indeed. I'm thinking about getting into this quite heavily. Register for gst so i can make the frequent claim for business stuff i.e. new laptop, new bike etc etc. Just need to find people who want sites first

[k14]

Very good attempt. imo the asthetics aren't the best but as far as features and function go its awesome. Very suitable for the needs of the company that its for indeed.

You say you spent 20 hours on it then how much would it have cost to get done by a webdesign company? Atleast $500+ i'd say. Put a value on each hour, say $15, which equates to $300. Thats a ballpark figure, work with it how you like.

[dhunt]

Hi Guys,
I've just about finished creating the new MotoTT website, and was wondering if you guys could put in some input as to how much you think I should charge as it is the first website i've ever made from a commercial viewpoint. Check it out at www.matt.nick-b.net and give your honest opinion. I have spent approx 20 hoursish on it, but have been on msn at the same time
Cheers,
Matt
P.S. If you would like a website built, just pm me.
Yeah I would agree with what the rest of the guys have said. You don't want to under valule your self (ie don't charge yourself out at <minum wage or it's not really worth your time). I think K14's estimate of around $200-300 is probably about right.

[James Deuce]

If you'd rocked up to a design company for that you'd be charged a minimum of $120/hr. Maybe $80/hr if they got a Mac Operator to do it with Fusion.

GO and have a look at some of the Web Design company websites and have a look at what they charge. Remember, one day you might be working for them, and having a history of under cutting them drastically isn't going to make you their favourite person.

[McJim]

The main thing is the functionality of the links and ease of navigation - seems fine - as far as the graphics go it's the easiest thing in the world to remove the piccies and embed new ones (I've seen instances in the UK where someone has been paid a shedload of cash to redisgn a website - they've just gone in to the html, rearanged the pages a bit and embedded new graphics - 20 minutes work - looks totally different and a lot of people get fooled by it!)

If this is a set up from scratch I'd be charging $80-$100 per hour for your time bro. But then I worked in London and that's the kind of dosh you'd expect to pay for website development on a tight budget - unfortunately in NZ people do not want to pay for what they receive - hence the state of the economy!

I always agree the price in advance on frelance work - I do sql database analysis and business modelling for people - generally $100+ per hour.

If you're doing it for a coupla mates that changes everything (I try to avoid doing work for mates - it'll bankrupt ya!) you don't want to lose yer mates.

my 2c

[Monorail]

If you'd rocked up to a design company for that you'd be charged a minimum of $120/hr. Maybe $80/hr if they got a Mac Operator to do it with Fusion.

GO and have a look at some of the Web Design company websites and have a look at what they charge. Remember, one day you might be working for them, and having a history of under cutting them drastically isn't going to make you their favourite person.


yeah it wont make me their favourite person, but it'll make my customers happy as hell

[Monorail]

If this is a set up from scratch I'd be charging $80-$100 per hour for your time bro.


It pretty much was from scratch. What i used to design the page wasn't co-operating with me copying any of the text or anything. I had to start it all from scratch.

[kiwifruit]

2c

hmmm, yeah, sounds good :)

[Monorail]

hmmm, yeah, sounds good :)

you wish buddy

[Maha]

Are you able to create more "animated/funky" sites?
I'll be seeking someone to design and create one for me in the near future.[/B]


With Naked Nudey Norflanders?..........:killingme :puke:

[DMNTD]

With Naked Nudey Norflanders?..........:killingme :puke:

You can be such a bitch at times :crybaby:

[Monorail]

didn't take long for this to get into personal insults. 11 posts

[SwanTiger]

The website you have designed serves its purpose of coveying information to the user and is relatively simple and easy for the user to navigate.

Honestly, at the very most that is 5 hours worth of work and I think a fair rate would be $15 which would equate to $75.

Have a look at http://www.datumconnect.co.nz/afawcs0114671/tn-our-latest-work.html, most of their web sites range from $15,000 - $30,000 depending on back end complexity.

I use to do web design shit a while back and would do 2 - 3 sites a week charging $800 - $1,500 each. Good industry if you enjoy dealing with and have an affinity for people.

But the best industry is 'corporate management' - it's all about ego! One client I have where two "people with purchasing power" were arguing over two different products to do one job and essentially it came down to proving who had made the "right decesion" and this is where I was hired to confirm that. $150 + GST x 5 Hours of "analysis" later = One boosted ego and one bruised ego and me looking forward to my new bike.

[Monorail]

and thats all i need this for... a new bike.... and a new computer... maybe a ps3 ... the list continues

[SwanTiger]

and thats all i need this for... a new bike.... and a new computer... maybe a ps3 ... the list continues

How old are you?

If you are still at school but have half a brain, quit now and go do one of those AMES courses or something similar which gives you a bullshit certificate in Computer Support and Network + A+ and all that other + crap bullshit they have these days. You can also do all your Microsoft certs as well. Chuck it all on Aunty Helens tab, all up it'll be between $5,000 and $10,000.

Then offer cheap work to a few companies, do a couple of websites and offer to fix their computer problems. Get written references - relatives with different surnames who own businesses are great!

Then hunt for a job at a place like Orcon who pay their technical help desk something crazy between $30,000 - $40,000 p/a or take a job at that shithole EDS same wages and opportunity to progress, I had some HR tart e-mail me the other day with a position paying $18 an hour so it isn't bad really.

I think you said somewhere you're 15? why waste those 2 years at school, 'cos you're still living at home save half your wages or at least $10,000 per year, then after two years you'll have a nice deposit to put on a home.

School is a waste of time, I got my first full time job at 14 earning around 600 - 700 a week after tax. To a 14 year old still living at home that's a lot of money to waste on computer games and lollies! take aways every night $1.70 chips $3.50 chicken burger $1.50 spring roll and $1.80 hoki fish mmm :2thumbsup :banana:

Play station is a waste of time too, you should be out riding.

[Monorail]

How old are you?

If you are still at school but have half a brain, quit now and go do one of those AMES courses or something similar which gives you a bullshit certificate in Computer Support and Network + A+ and all that other + crap bullshit they have these days. You can also do all your Microsoft certs as well. Chuck it all on Aunty Helens tab, all up it'll be between $5,000 and $10,000.

Then offer cheap work to a few companies, do a couple of websites and offer to fix their computer problems. Get written references - relatives with different surnames who own businesses are great!

Then hunt for a job at a place like Orcon who pay their technical help desk something crazy between $30,000 - $40,000 p/a or take a job at that shithole EDS same wages and opportunity to progress, I had some HR tart e-mail me the other day with a position paying $18 an hour so it isn't bad really.

I think you said somewhere you're 15? why waste those 2 years at school, 'cos you're still living at home save half your wages or at least $10,000 per year, then after two years you'll have a nice deposit to put on a home.

School is a waste of time, I got my first full time job at 14 earning around 600 - 700 a week after tax. To a 14 year old still living at home that's a lot of money to waste on computer games and lollies! take aways every night $1.70 chips $3.50 chicken burger $1.50 spring roll and $1.80 hoki fish mmm :2thumbsup :banana:

Play station is a waste of time too, you should be out riding.

computing is not a future career for me. I can't sit still for long periods. Probably gonna join the police force. 43k a year at 18 isn't bad. plus in two years and being bloody good, u can go AO or DPS.

[SwanTiger]

computing is not a future career for me. I can't sit still for long periods. Probably gonna join the police force. 43k a year at 18 isn't bad. plus in two years and being bloody good, u can go AO or DPS.
Good choice.

Can't sit still for long periods? I bet you can sit in front of your play station for long periods.

[Monorail]

Good choice.

Can't sit still for long periods? I bet you can sit in front of your play station for long periods.

yes, but im mainly play racing games and if im not using a sterring wheel, i will tunr my body when taking a corner.

[James Deuce]

yeah it wont make me their favourite person, but it'll make my customers happy as hell

What should make your customers happy is the end product. If you are focusing on price you'll end up over worked and underpaid.

[Monorail]

What should make your cutomers happy is the end product. If you are focusing on price you'll end up over worked and underpaid.

you really are fool of wisdom.

[James Deuce]

No, I am mystical dragon of wisdom, and you are grasshopper blown about by winds of fate.

[ajturbo]

WTF??

$15/hr???... plus gst???
less tax
less acc
cost of lap top
holiday pay
cell ph
internet conection
advertising
insurances (public)
paper to print up invoices
printer
accountant
and unless you used a push bike, all the running costs of a vehical


this would equal around a clear profit of -$2.00/hr... still want to charge out out $15/hr???

i was paying my workers $18/hr 15 YEARS ago.( i was charging out at $30/hr and only making a $5.00/profit...)

i am a painter, i charge out at $40/hr...(and depending on the car in the drive plus gst)

if the people didn't want me, they would get some other looser and then ph me back later to fix it up...:banana:

[DingDong]

It's pretty easy to build a web site like that... as long as you have a fair understanding of HTML you can you can copy anything from other sites,You can make a good site using Word too (or most other programes) so personally I wouldnt be interested, but I can see someone buying it for $500+ if they have time restictions or no experience with web design.

Good luck,... remember sites need to stand out, something different that catches the eye

[Monorail]

Good luck,... remember sites need to stand out, something different that catches the eye

maybe a picture of dover doing what he does best:buggerd:

[Colapop]

Me bad at compooter web thing. Web site must have easy to get at stuff. Easy to read. asy to find what I want. And look good too. Don't wanna know about all the flash stuff you do behind the scenes - that's your job. A web site like that I'd pay you $500 for creating. Add maintenance and improved features and it's a goldmine.

[Monorail]

A web site like that I'd pay you $500 for creating.

so do u need a website created?

[Colapop]

Do I have $500??? Hmmmm ... same answer for both...:crybaby:

[Monorail]

Do I have $500??? Hmmmm ... same answer for both...:crybaby:

im guessing by the little crying face thats a yes. he's crying for joy eh?

[Colapop]

Uh yeah, that would be a No. If I did have the spare $$ what would I do with a web site? ...?

www.brokenarse.com - Your online one stop shop for all your begging needs! A new cardboard box? Your overcoat looking a little too new? Tin cans complete with sign ("Need money for food")

[Monorail]

Uh yeah, that would be a No. If I did have the spare $$ what would I do with a web site? ...?

www.brokenarse.com - Your online one stop shop for all your begging needs! A new cardboard box? Your overcoat looking a little too new? Tin cans complete with sign ("Need money for food")

lol, that would be quite entertaining, but I expect your annual turnover would be quite low as your target audience wouldn't be able to afford any of it:lol:

[degrom]

At least go for the minimum wage times the hours... Looks good for the first one. Give it a few more and you will be on a role...

Stay in school!!! If you can study after it, even better... You have a lot of time to earn money later, enjoy your time now and play PS while you can... LOL

Mmmm... My first site look like this http://www.chatbert.com/version1/
Second try looks a million times better!!! http://www.chatbert.com

Good luck... You are welcome to Pm me.

[R6_kid]

www.vrnzaf.orcon.net.nz

I did that site in about 5hrs including doing all the graphics setup etc. Some of the links might not be exactly right but its pretty much all there.

I did that for free as it was an interest website, im not trying to be mean and hope i dont offend you. But, the price of your website depends largely on your presentation and professionalism. If i had come across that website in search of trackdays without knowing what a motoTT trackday was like i probably wouldnt be interested enough to go - what im saying is you can tell that you sat there on msn while you did it...

To be honest, if i was in your situation i wouldnt be putting a monetary price on it. If they really like it, and you have an interest in their product (which im assuming you do) then it would be smart to trade them say 2 or 3 trackdays ($300 worth) in return for it - 20hrs work for 3 days at a track is a pretty mint deal if you ask me! But yeh, if i was the motoTT i'd be wanting something fairly professional to show off my product, which i cant honestly say your website is at the moment, but keep at it because once you get the hang of it websites can be a doddle.

[R6_kid]

also just something you need to note for the future is your images. I see you have used photos that i assume were given to you by MotoTT, or that you got from their current site, however the images you have from the Taupo International Motorsport Park website is a breach of copywrite.

Basically, they paid someone to design those images for them, more to the point to use that persons images - as much as i doubt that those guys will kick up a fuss about it, some people do and it can get you into A LOT of trouble...

It happened to me with one of my first vRNZAF websites I did, and thats why there is a disclaimer at the bottom of each page.

It pays to either design your own images, or to ask for permission to use other peoples work first to save the hassle.

[kiwifruit]

also just something you need to note for the future is your images. I see you have used photos that i assume were given to you by MotoTT, or that you got from their current site, however the images you have from the Taupo International Motorsport Park website is a breach of copywrite.

Basically, they paid someone to design those images for them, more to the point to use that persons images - as much as i doubt that those guys will kick up a fuss about it, some people do and it can get you into A LOT of trouble...

It happened to me with one of my first vRNZAF websites I did, and thats why there is a disclaimer at the bottom of each page.

It pays to either design your own images, or to ask for permission to use other peoples work first to save the hassle.


i was abit worried about that when i did this:
http://www.motott.co.nz/track.html

decided not to remove thier logos :whistle:
we have a good relationship with MIT, thankfully :D

[Monorail]

thanks for you input guys. you all seem to be thinking around what i was thinking i.e 112.50 inc gst

[metric]

howdy mate

A few things I'd change are 1. font - Times New Roman is old school... 2. work on the grammar in a few of the pages i.e. remembering full stops etc

other than that, well done for a first crack!

[Monorail]

howdy mate

A few things I'd change are 1. font - Times New Roman is old school... 2. work on the grammar in a few of the pages i.e. remembering full stops etc

other than that, well done for a first crack!

the grammar was already typed up... not at my end

[Brett]

Some good points here mafu, listen to them! R6 kid sounds to have a bit of experience, and he is right on the copyright thing, so take heed. But most importantly, keep trying! You will get there, and you will get better, it just takes practice. Stay in school, and try and do websites after school.

[Monorail]

Stay in school, and try and do websites after school.

thats the plan. I've spoken to motott and they assured me that copyright is all good at their end