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k14

16th October 2006, 16:07

k14

16th October 2006, 16:16

And oh yeah, what about the rest of the race. Took 5 laps to recover from the first incident and then when u think rossi has it all under control elias and then roberts start making him push for it. What a race. That one will go down in the history books.

Toast

16th October 2006, 17:12

I've always disliked pedrosa but this just makes it 10 time more. What on earth was he thinking??? Trying to make a point maybe, can't figure out what he was trying to achieve.

He was still in with a chance to win the championship, right? Maybe that explains his being competitive.

gav

16th October 2006, 17:23

Hayden was obviously holding him up. Pedrosa had a chance to beat Rossi on the track, something that Hayden is clearly unable to do.
OK, so it was only the second lap....:whistle:
Hayden was even quoted as hoping that Pedrosa could do him a favour by beating Rossi. Shit happens, get over it....
Imagine being around that team next year!
Incase youre wondering what happened, Pedrosa tried to pass Hayden and crashed, taking out Hayden as a result. Rossi ended up coming second after Toni Elias, snatched victory on the last lap. Rossi now has a 8 point lead going into the final race......

k14

16th October 2006, 17:39

He was still in with a chance to win the championship, right? Maybe that explains his being competitive.
Yeah a very very small chance, needed rossi and hayden both to no score and also needed to beat melandri and capirossi.

Are you excusing what he did gav? Can't see any way in which you could argue that he wasn't in the wrong. Regardless of the championship situation, it was a completely stupid attempt at a passing manouvre.

James Deuce

16th October 2006, 20:22

One rule in most motorsport teams. You do not fuck your team mate over if he is further up the points table at the end of the season.

Too bad if Hayden is "unable to beat" Rossi on the track. He's brought the first credible championship challenge to Rossi since 2000. While riding the only 2006 version of the RCV211 and being forced to run development parts at pivotal points throughout the year.

Hopefully that incident will give Hayden the balls to tell HRC to stick their development parts up their fundament, just like Doohan used to.

sAsLEX

17th October 2006, 01:50

Are you excusing what he did gav? Can't see any way in which you could argue that he wasn't in the wrong. Regardless of the championship situation, it was a completely stupid attempt at a passing manouvre.

It was on the same corner that Hayden shoved up the inside of the midget the lap before and nearly took him out, midget prob thought he could do better...........and well he did a fuck load worse instead!

And what about Elias's braking! The first repeated shot of his pass on Edwards comes from no where and flies by him, and again at turn 1 on both Rossi and KR!

Bloody good race and what a finish!

Fishy

17th October 2006, 06:52

Did anyone record the race? I forgot :shit:

Crasherfromwayback

17th October 2006, 07:06

And what about Elias's braking! The first repeated shot of his pass on Edwards comes from no where and flies by him, and again at turn 1 on both Rossi and KR!

Bloody good race and what a finish!

Fuck yeah! That was the sickest display of late braking I've seen since Revvin Kevin! Respect!!

James Deuce

17th October 2006, 07:12

Hah! I thought of Kevin Schwantz too.

CFWB - you OLD!!

Cajun

17th October 2006, 07:33

Nicky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6-TMnllGjc
Dani (Read the vid description)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2y8gIA8P_Y
Colin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM4WTHQTS0Q

Matt Bleck

17th October 2006, 08:03

Yip I'm with gav, Hayden shoved it up the inside of Pedrosa same corner the lap before (lap 3), and he had it let go for a second, he was lucky not to have exited the race right then!

I tell ya what tho, watch him nut off as he left the track was very entertaining!!!

nudemetalz

17th October 2006, 09:43

Wicked picture Canjun !!!

Race of the season for sure...I was on the edge of my seat the whole time !!!

Did Elias get better drive the Rossi's Yamaha or was it just plain faster to take the chequered flag?

As they were sying last night, unless Rossi has a blow-up or crash it's going to be difficult not for him to be world champ again.

I tell ya what tho, watch him nut off as he left the track was very entertaining!!!

Ain't that for sure !!!!

Crasherfromwayback

17th October 2006, 10:08

Hah! I thought of Kevin Schwantz too.

CFWB - you OLD!!

That's enough of that mate! lol....hell, I can vividly remember watching in awe Eddie Lawason riding his bucking Z1000R like it was an XR750.
That's what got me interested in road racing in the first place....

DMNTD

17th October 2006, 10:13

Anyone aware of where I can download the race?
Cheers

Crasherfromwayback

17th October 2006, 10:59

I see Casey Stoner has taken Setes ride at Ducati after also taking him out of the race!

emaN

17th October 2006, 11:17

Pedrosa's move & result didn't surprise me.

A couple weeks back Vale mentioned on THE italian sports-site that he was concerned with Pedrosa's riding style, especially into corners, and the danger it posed to other riders.

Loved Elias' braking...tho't his rear was gonna rip up & give up, but it held.

Racey Rider

17th October 2006, 11:30

Watching in slow mode, it seemed Pedrosa hit a bump that caused a loss of traction. He tried it on, it didn't work out. Foolish move? Given the circumstances Yes!

Well done to the top three finishers. Certainly made for a great last few laps.
Rossi is such a fighter! He had a lot to lose, but put it all on the line in that last lap. The other two had nothing to lose, and let it all hang out, for an excellent result.

Bad luck Nicky, sad to see it finish like that for you. If I were you I would be Demanding that Pedrosa be sacked from the last race of the season. Why even let him on the same track as you when so much is at stake!

Now,,, shall I bother watching the last race???

Kyle

17th October 2006, 11:40

Id let Pedrosa out if i was Hayden, you never know, he might take out rossi in the next race

sAsLEX

17th October 2006, 11:41

Now,,, shall I bother watching the last race???

I would say so, Hayden has a lot to prove what with people saying he cant beat rossi in a fair race so he should be going all out to beat Rossi at Valencia!

Racey Rider

17th October 2006, 12:16

I can just see Hayden now, slipping Padrosa a $100 behind the trailor park.

"Thanks Mate for giving me that excuse for not winning the champs!" :yes:

fatboy1

17th October 2006, 13:52

OMG!!!! What can I say, I'm still stunned at what happened. Even though I'm an avid rossi supporter I was sooo gutted to see what happened. Hayden was just about ready to beat that little midget into a pulp, and if he had of I wouldn't have blamed him.

I've always disliked pedrosa but this just makes it 10 time more. What on earth was he thinking??? Trying to make a point maybe, can't figure out what he was trying to achieve.

Oh well, looks like that unless something equally unfortunate happens to rossi he will be champ. Could be the only opportunity like this hayden gets in his lifetime. Motorsport is harsh.

Hey K14, its a bit of "the pot calling the kettle black" isn't it?

I saw you make a very similar absolutley dick head head move on a guy at Levels when you tried to pass him entering the start finish straight and you smacked into the side of him punting him off the track and clear into the wall leaving him with a broken ankle a very bent bike and I think your comment was something like, well that's racing.

Yes racing is risky and yes the name of the game is to get to the front. Moto GP is one world where the $$ and the pressure dictate that they take the risks but a club day at levels thats another.

Walk the talk.

James Deuce

17th October 2006, 14:16

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Walk the talk.

The guy wasn't his team mate in World Championship.

By the time you get to a World Championship, especially someone who's already won 3, you'd expect that the newbie mistakes would be no more.

Cajun

17th October 2006, 14:28

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=419318574025504961&q=hayden+pedrosa&hl=en
link to accident

Brian d marge

17th October 2006, 14:30

Fuck yeah! That was the sickest display of late braking I've seen since Revvin Kevin! Respect!!

Agreed there the man was shmoking... Gary mcoy on the ilmor in the points ( and has just come in ,,,bum) ..great stuff

you do feel sorry for Hayden ... but great show of feelings ..

As that dutch fella said in Austi Powers ,,,ohh its a keeper !!!

Stephen

Racey Rider

17th October 2006, 15:01

Have just reviewed the race again.
The corner that Padrosa came off on is the same one Hayden passed him on the very lap before. Hayden Also hit that bump, which put his front end a little out of shape, causing him to push Padrosa wide (commentators thought they touched). But he got away with it.
Padrosa tried the same pass,, hit the same bump, and washed out taking Hayden with him.

The crash could have happened one lap earlier and Hayden would have been the :shutup: :dodge: .

k14

17th October 2006, 15:03

Hey K14, its a bit of "the pot calling the kettle black" isn't it?

I saw you make a very similar absolutley dick head head move on a guy at Levels when you tried to pass him entering the start finish straight and you smacked into the side of him punting him off the track and clear into the wall leaving him with a broken ankle a very bent bike and I think your comment was something like, well that's racing.

Yes racing is risky and yes the name of the game is to get to the front. Moto GP is one world where the $$ and the pressure dictate that they take the risks but a club day at levels thats another.

Walk the talk.
Well you're a complete fucking muppet. I can't believe you are comparing a club racing incident to a international motogp event. Yes very fair comparison indeed.

You're totally out of line on that ya fucking dickhead. Yes I know i stuffed up and I still think about that incident regularly aswell as having ALOT of people bring it up. I know all of them are perfect and have never made a fuckup in their whole life but I'm a bit different. Sorry i'm not as perfect as you. I apologised to said rider effected and have taken alot more (imo) than my fair share of childish behaviour pointed at me by certain other people associated in racing (you included).

Also I'd like to know who I am talking to, obviously you were there when it happend and heard every comment made by myself on the incident e.g. "and I think your comment was something like, well that's racing." Cause I'd very much like to know when I said that. I've never ever said anything like that about what happend. You have been severly misinformed.

:finger:

Crasherfromwayback

17th October 2006, 15:36

Also I'd like to know who I am talking to, obviously you were there when it happend and heard every comment made by myself on the incident e.g. "and I think your comment was something like, well that's racing." Cause I'd very much like to know when I said that. I've never ever said anything like that about what happend. You have been severly misinformed.

:finger:

Don't let it worry you mate...it was (obviously) a mistake, and we all make them. I nearly lost my foot I mashed my ankle so badly last year at Wanganui, and the biff wasn't my fault. I had to put it down to avoid 'T' boning someone that performed a 'block pass' in a rather silly place. That's life. Shouldn't be racing if you can't handle the possible consequences. The guy came to apologise, but I was already on the operating table! But hey, I'd have a beer with him anytime, he certainly didn't know what the outcome would be, and that's cool. I've done my share of agressive passing maneuvers over the years, and yeah I've made mistakes.

k14

17th October 2006, 16:13

Don't let it worry you mate...it was (obviously) a mistake, and we all make them. I nearly lost my foot I mashed my ankle so badly last year at Wanganui, and the biff wasn't my fault. I had to put it down to avoid 'T' boning someone that performed a 'block pass' in a rather silly place. That's life. Shouldn't be racing if you can't handle the possible consequences. The guy came to apologise, but I was already on the operating table! But hey, I'd have a beer with him anytime, he certainly didn't know what the outcome would be, and that's cool. I've done my share of agressive passing maneuvers over the years, and yeah I've made mistakes.
Yeah I know, thats what I've been trying to do but when you keep getting reminded about it every 2 weeks it starts to get a bit annoying after a while. I've been on the other end of the stick on one occasion and that fabricated quote from mr fuckwit above is actually pretty true "thats racing" cause it actually is. Don't go out there if you aren't prepared to be taken out by another rider.

This is the same for club racing as it is for motogp. Yeah Nicky was in the big league and the possibility of being taken out was always there. As in the press conference after the race, he knew that there was always the chance of it happening but the last person he was expecting it from was his team mate (and 3 times world champion). That is the point i was trying to make.

Sketchy_Racer

17th October 2006, 17:02

Tim 39

17th October 2006, 17:44

Well you're a complete fucking muppet. I can't believe you are comparing a club racing incident to a international motogp event. Yes very fair comparison indeed.

You're totally out of line on that ya fucking dickhead. Yes I know i stuffed up and I still think about that incident regularly aswell as having ALOT of people bring it up. I know all of them are perfect and have never made a fuckup in their whole life but I'm a bit different. Sorry i'm not as perfect as you. I apologised to said rider effected and have taken alot more (imo) than my fair share of childish behaviour pointed at me by certain other people associated in racing (you included).

Also I'd like to know who I am talking to, obviously you were there when it happend and heard every comment made by myself on the incident e.g. "and I think your comment was something like, well that's racing." Cause I'd very much like to know when I said that. I've never ever said anything like that about what happend. You have been severly misinformed.

:finger:

Helo there mr Kirk
Personally I think that what you have said, isn't a very nice way to talk to people no matter what their opinion.
RE: the incident at Levels, I have experienced this more first hand than anyone as I was the one against the wall!!!!!!
there are some incorrect facts in your statement as well, but I wont list these as I have no great urge to start a raving session.
To be honest at the time I forgave you for what happened, I gave you the benefit of the doubt that it was a silly mistake, as people make, even though you hit me the week before at Ruapuna. At the time I chose to take no more action (like getting your licence revoked) however the thing that still worries me now is that your attitude doesn't seem to have changed much (as far as I can see) So i am still ver paranoid about racing in proximity to you.
I believe that this is probably the reason that people keep bringing it up.
I don't realy like dredging up the past, but your choice of words in explaining yourself earlier to fellow racers made me decide i should put the record straight. I am yet to recieve an apology for what happened then but I am still open to one!!
I personally don't think of it as "just racing" I know shit happens on the track but as long as you learn from mistakes it should never happen again, and I sincerely hope this is the case for you

Sketchy_Racer

17th October 2006, 18:13

Tim 39.

As much as i feel for you, and the damage to yourself and your bike, I believe that this would be a much better situation if you spoke/Pmed Kirk personally.

You said it yourself that you didn't want Dredge up the past,

I am sure that Kirk is very sorry for what happened, I just don't think here is the place to be disscussing this raw subject.

cheers,

Glen

Crasherfromwayback

17th October 2006, 18:58

RE: the incident at Levels, I have experienced this more first hand than anyone as I was the one against the wall!!!!!!
there are some incorrect facts in your statement as well, but I wont list these as I have no great urge to start a raving session.

I personally don't think of it as "just racing" I know shit happens on the track but as long as you learn from mistakes it should never happen again, and I sincerely hope this is the case for you

Mate, I'm sorry to hear about your accident and subsequent injury, let alone the damage to you bike, it's never nice. But as someone above said....roasting the guy here is not really on. We all race knowing full well we could be involved in such an incident, it's an unfortunate part of the sport we love. I've seen people die doing it, and I've been seriously hurt myself by others actions. But mate....we all make mistakes (yes, even three times world champions as we've just seen). NO one sets out to crash, let alone hurt someone else. It's part of it. The red mist gets us all from time to time.

Have a beer together and move on. If you can't do that, perhaps it's time you gave the racing away.

I hope your ankle is all good now.

Pete

Deano

17th October 2006, 19:14

Crasherfromwayback

17th October 2006, 19:23

Didn't Rossi take out Milandri as a result of an apparently 'newbie' mistake :dodge:

One guy in F3 has overcooked the brakes into corners while behind me 3 times in as many meetings, narrowly missing me. I hope he learns soon. Racing is one thing, but if your going to commit, at least have a fair idea that your going to pull it off. No need for stupidity.

Well as you've said Deano, even Rossi does it, as does Hopkins and Pedrosa.
We all do it. Hopefully most of us don't do it that often, and when we do no one gets hurt. Hopefully we learn, and lets face it, we're always learning, no matter how good we think we are. Some take a little longer to learn the basics, but they still have the right to be there as long as what they're doing isn't downright fucking dangerous purposely. Just do your best to avoid such people. They'll normally crash out or run off track and then you're sweet as. Failing that, pull the pin and fuck off into the distance!

Deano

17th October 2006, 19:25

Failing that, pull the pin and fuck off into the distance!

I like that attitude.

enigma51

17th October 2006, 19:33

I like how something in motogp brings up shit in KB You gota love it!

Crasherfromwayback

17th October 2006, 19:35

I like that attitude.

lol... me too, it's just sometimes harder to do in reality!
Years ago I used to race 250 Proddies with among others, Tony Sampson.
He skittled myself, Dave Cole and Bruce Ainstey all in one mindless swoop at Levels. I was the last to get back on and going, my bike being under Bruces.
It's the ONLY time I've EVER tried to take someone out on purpose....I chased him down with every intention of returning the favour but ran out of laps with him about 15m in front. I'm glad that happened, as it's the wrong attitude and him and I ended up getting on pretty well. From then on, I tried the fuck off routine, but he was like he had a fucking bungy on my back gaurd. Tenacious cunt he was!

Crasherfromwayback

17th October 2006, 19:38

I like how something in motogp brings up shit in KB You gota love it!

All bullshit stories have gotta start somewhere!

enigma51

17th October 2006, 19:42

All bullshit stories have gotta start somewhere!

Amen Borther!

All i know dani and hayden no friends no more unless dani pulls his stick out of ass go over with a beer and sort it out like real man

I personaly think colin did a fucken outstanding job he pissed dani and hayden enough off to wreck there weekends. Now theres a team mate people should look up too!

Crasherfromwayback

17th October 2006, 19:47

Amen Borther!

All i know dani and hayden no friends no more unless dani pulls his stick out of ass go over with a beer and sort it out like real man

I personaly think colin did a fucken outstanding job he pissed dani and hayden enough off to wreck there weekends. Now theres a team mate people should look up too!

Spot on Bruva...he did what a team mate SHOULD do in those circumstances!
If I was Rossi, I'd buy the cunt more than a beer....a brewery perhaps?

enigma51

17th October 2006, 19:54

Spot on Bruva...he did what a team mate SHOULD do in those circumstances!
If I was Rossi, I'd buy the cunt more than a beer....a brewery perhaps?

If you have a close look at the race rossi (and he even said so) did not have his usual rythm and was strugling under the brakes if it was not for the fact that colin stuck it between rossi and dani/hayden i think rossi would not have done as well as he did. So when colin was behind hayden and dani and pushed as hard as he did it basically gave rossi the time to settle and open small gap which got dani and hayden pretty eager to push it harder and well after the past colin did on dani going into the "reverse" cork screw he was fired up and ended up taking out his team mate. Yes Yes rossi almost won but he had much easier race after hayden was out than what he would have if they where still there alowing him to preserve some tires.

You have to say Rossi knows how to play the mind games and even how to ignore those played by others!

dangerous

17th October 2006, 20:42

Hey K14, its a bit of "the pot calling the kettle black" isn't it?
I saw you make a very similar absolutley dick head head move on a guy at Levels

the thing that still worries me now is that your attitude doesn't seem to have changed much (as far as I can see) So i am still ver paranoid about racing in proximity to you.
I believe that this is probably the reason that people keep bringing it up.
Guys, I was in the pits next to k14, and he was very upset with what had happened... also I will tell you both now... k14 has changed and learnt from that acco, whilest he often ends up on his arse, he is a very good rider.

I have seen the shit and reminders that k14 has got from people mainley from the 150ss crowd, 'some' people just cant let shit die, I can see how fatties comment up set k14 as I see the effort that goes into his riding these days.
Also I know how it feels to put another rider on there arse... its fucking horrible... give it and k14 a break FFS and pull ya heads in all of yas

You're totally out of line on that ya fucking dickhead.
While such comments get your opinion noted, it dosent really do much for your case, go wash ya mouth out young man ;)
And Ill race up againest ya any day... ya just need to keep up

erik

18th October 2006, 01:19

Nicky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6-TMnllGjc
Dani (Read the vid description)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2y8gIA8P_Y
Colin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM4WTHQTS0Q

Cheers for posting that.

7:42 of Nicky Hayden avoiding saying bad stuff about Pedrosa... Good on him.

Korea

18th October 2006, 04:00

Cheers for posting that.

7:42 of Nicky Hayden avoiding saying bad stuff about Pedrosa... Good on him.

Totally! Heartbreaking to hear it really~

but what a race~! The season has just been getting better and better.
Beats last year's championship for excitement by miles~
Still, it could possibly have been even better if the Repsol boys didn't bollocks it all up...

Could have, should have, whatever...
Roll on Valencia~!!!

Lou Girardin

18th October 2006, 05:54

slowpoke

18th October 2006, 06:33

Ya gotta feel for Hayden, he seems destined to live in the shadow of a motorcycling freak who may go into the history books as the best ever.

All Pedrosa had to do was stay line astern with Hayden and even if they only finished 4-5 Mr Honda would be smilin' right now. The risk/reward ratio for passing Hayden was always in the negative and has done nothing to improve Pedrosa's own saleability. He is a commodity after all.

Hayden seems like one of the genuine nice guys of the paddock. This last round may just see a Nicky Hayden we've never seen before.

slowpoke

18th October 2006, 06:49

On the subject of race crashes and some heated discussion earlier in the thread I've got to say it's interesting the difference in attitude between what I've seen in NZ and what I saw in OZ with regard to crashing.

I'm not sure if the bucket racing thing (slow, cheap to repair after crashing) moulds the attitude or what but the casualness with which people crash in NZ is quite striking. Even on the road here people seem to rack up double digit's crashing and hardly bat and eye where as I never knew of anybody in Oz who had had more than single figures etched into their tank.

The roads are different with corners/hills few and far between in WA but the track I would have thought would be similar....but nup.

I guess the racing is more plentiful in NZ (compared to WA, prolly not the East Coast) but a crash over there seems to be treated as a more serious thing. Without bucket racing (it IS part of the Historic Scene) the people are starting off on faster more expensive machinery so I'm kinda guessing they have learnt form very early on that you generally ride within your limits or it is going to be very painful both to your health and your wallet.

Just an observation.

Crasherfromwayback

18th October 2006, 07:32

If this gets rid of Pedrosa I'll shed no tears. He's just the type of rider the sport doesn't need. He's not even that great a rider. If Rossi carried 15 kg's less than everyone else, no-one would see where he went. Dump the dwarf.

Mate...not sure how you can see it that way??? he did something Valantino couldn't do....win the 250cc world championship in his FRIST attempt.
He WAS coming 2nd overall until a while ago in his FIRST attempt.
His size makes nowhere near as much diff in the 'big' class as it did in the smaller classes, as these bikes only spend about 5% of the lap on full throttle.
Yeah the guy made a bonehead attempt at a pass at a REALLY bad time....but he's pretty fucking good all the same!

Deano

18th October 2006, 07:35

Mate...not sure how you can see it that way??? he did something Valantino couldn't do....win the 250cc world championship in his FRIST attempt.
He WAS coming 2nd overall until a while ago in his FIRST attempt.
His size makes nowhere near as much diff in the 'big' class as it did in the smaller classes, as these bikes only spend about 5% of the lap on full throttle.
Yeah the guy made a bonehead attempt at a pass at a REALLY bad time....but he's pretty fucking good all the same!

My thoughts too.

roogazza

18th October 2006, 08:19

If you see them in the flesh, all the Motogp boys are the best ! Its just that Rossi is better !
Almost as good as the Kiwibiker racers you hear from on here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pfftt ! Can Craig Sheriffs type ? I'd like to hear from him on the racers forum ! G.

Goblin

18th October 2006, 08:44

I see Casey Stoner has taken Setes ride at Ducati after also taking him out of the race!:2thumbsup

Yip I'm with gav, Hayden shoved it up the inside of Pedrosa same corner the lap before (lap 3), and he had it let go for a second, he was lucky not to have exited the race right then!

I tell ya what tho, watch him nut off as he left the track was very entertaining!!!:laugh: wish I could lip-read!

.
Yeah the guy made a bonehead attempt at a pass at a REALLY bad time....but he's pretty fucking good all the same!Yeah he did try to pull the same move Hayden did on the previous lap but hit the ripple strip and lost it. The midget has HUGE talent and I hope he does well next season.

Cleve

18th October 2006, 09:39

Crasherfromwayback

18th October 2006, 09:47

Regarding these overtaking moves under brakes. If you make it you're a hero (a la Tony Elias against Rossi at end of main straight)
If you don't you're a dick head (a la Pedrosa)...

Man we are pretty hard on these guys aren't we??

We're really fucking fast in our couches mate don't worry!
But....Elias's braking moves were all done going straight into corners whilst they were ALL braking hard out in straight lines. Pedrosa stuffed it up the inside while Hayden had already turned in, and going in as way too hot as he was, it was always gonna end in a collision. QUITE a big difference.

Sketchy_Racer

18th October 2006, 09:48

Yes your a hero if you can pull it off,

But in the situation of haydens world championship points, and the fact that it was his own team mate. You DO not ever try a move like that, that could ruin your team mates chances at winning

Rossi and Edwards = Awesome team work and great guys

Hayden and Pedrosas = Crappy team work and personally, I don't really like either of them.

sAsLEX

18th October 2006, 10:05

Regarding these overtaking moves under brakes. If you make it you're a hero (a la Tony Elias against Rossi at end of main straight)
If you don't you're a dick head (a la Pedrosa)...

Man we are pretty hard on these guys aren't we??

Elias if he fucked up wouldn't of taken out Rossi or Edwards but flown in to the sand as he was well past both of them before turning in so both could of stayed on the brakes a fraction longer and gone up the inside as he played in the sand

The Pastor

18th October 2006, 10:21

lol thats pretty funny, stink for nicky but funny.

Toast

18th October 2006, 10:39

If this gets rid of Pedrosa I'll shed no tears. He's just the type of rider the sport doesn't need. He's not even that great a rider. If Rossi carried 15 kg's less than everyone else, no-one would see where he went. Dump the dwarf.
As for Hayden, he was only leading through consistency while Vale had bad luck. Vale's won twice as many races. It's clear who the genius is.
Finally, anything thing that beats Honda's 'production line' approach to racing has to be good.

Agree with the other responses: Pedrosa has got a whole lotta talent. Can't recall which race it was this year, but he managed to walk away from the rest of the field. He may well be on the best bike, but he’s still shown enough skills.

I still think he’s a dick though.

Agree with you that Hayden is not Rossi’s equal, and he’s only leading due to The D R’s bad luck, with bike problems and being nudged off earlier in the season (by Elias?). If he bitches about bad luck later on, he needs a slap, but I haven’t heard of him whining about it yet.

Everyone is this era will live in Rossi’s shadow, he’s a legend…period.

Crasherfromwayback

18th October 2006, 10:57

Everyone is this era will live in Rossi’s shadow, he’s a legend…period.

For sure he is. I just wish Doohan was still around....now THAT would've been a match up!! Both of them have the opposition mentally beaten before the lights go out....but man....was Doohan a hard C*nt or what? Anyone that uses nothing more than 'Panadol' for the injuries he received has my vote!

Cleve

18th October 2006, 17:49

Elias if he fucked up wouldn't of taken out Rossi or Edwards but flown in to the sand as he was well past both of them before turning in so both could of stayed on the brakes a fraction longer and gone up the inside as he played in the sand

Oh for sure Pedrosa's move was the dumbest of them all but you will find also that Elias's moves caused a reaction to the riders he was overtaking. At least once Rossi had to react and I think Roberts as well. He COULD HAVE also taken out the other riders if he had lost it. Anyway regardless Elias's moves we e way cool and Pedrosa's bad, but still there is a fine line between the 2 of them...

Crasherfromwayback

18th October 2006, 18:41

but still there is a fine line between the 2 of them...

Not even close to the same type of move mate.
Like I said a bit earlier....Elias did it all in a straight line with sheer late braking. Pedroser when in so hot he was always gonna collide with his team mate. Hayden had already turned in, and without eyes in the back of his head had no idea it was coming, he simply got skittled. All of the other guys got passed by Elias whilst bolt upright, and if they thought Elias was gonna go down could've taken avoiding action. Night and day difference mate.

k14

18th October 2006, 19:31

Not even close to the same type of move mate.
Like I said a bit earlier....Elias did it all in a straight line with sheer late braking. Pedroser when in so hot he was always gonna collide with his team mate. Hayden had already turned in, and without eyes in the back of his head had no idea it was coming, he simply got skittled. All of the other guys got passed by Elias whilst bolt upright, and if they thought Elias was gonna go down could've taken avoiding action. Night and day difference mate.
Yep totally agree. Also the shape of the corner where pedrosa made the pass naturally means that you are going to be passing the guy as you are both tipped over. Short braking area. Whereas at the end of the main straight there is a much longer braking area and the corner is alot shorter so all passing is done before anyone is leant over.

gav

18th October 2006, 20:03

Hmmm, I always thought the first rule of racing at that level was to beat your team mate?? :yes:
Don't think Hayden did himself any favours by pulling that pass on Pedrosa the lap before. Pretty dumb if youre wanting your team mates help later in the race. Hayden apparently had a harder tyre fitted, Pedrosa had been the fastest in the morning warm up session, why not sit in behind him and let Pedrosa reel in Rossi and duke it out.
How many think Pedrosa is going to help Hayden in the last round?
Its in Spain, at Valencia, Pedrosa's home track, a crowd full of Rossi and Pedrosa fans, how many do you think really want to see an American win the world title? You think Honda or Repsol would dump Pedrosa if he won the race ahead of Hayden and Rossi ended up as World Champ? Nah, never happen...
I'm picking Pedrosa to win ahead of Rossi, and Hayden struggling to hold off a fired up Elias, Stoner, Capirossi, Edwards, Roberts, Melandri, Nakano etc

Interesting article about HRC etc here http://www.speedtv.com/articles/moto/motogp/33412/?page=1

enigma51

18th October 2006, 20:18

The bottom line is they guy fucked up and without being on the bike in the same position as he was we cant realy comment. We all are the best racers .....while sitting on the coach. I mean I am a rossi in my own right as long as its while i am holding the remote!

Should pedrosa have made such a bold move and took out his team no?
Is he an arrogant asshole? for me he is dont realy like the guy much I dont think he would have been as nice to elias as rossi was or even KR junior was

But in saying all of these he is still human even if we regard them as gods