Muslims - I'm trying hard... [Archive]

ManDownUnder

27th October 2006, 08:34

The guy's a fucktard, I'm only taking his opinions to represent himself (and not Muslims in general) and is wrong in every dimension possible.

I look forward to the day his opinions and attitudes arrive in this millenium (or even the last...). I'm always weary of guys like this - sometimes those beliefs they so publicly espouse are a reflection of their internal life... I bet there's an amasing correlation between people that speak like this and guys that later get locked up for rape/incest/whatever, proclaiming their innocence to the end.

Graham Capel ring a bell?

Ignore him, he's an idiot doing Muslims no favours at all. I know very little about the Muslims, but I choose not to let that pillock help form my opinion

Postie

27th October 2006, 08:38

do you think he has ever been to a nudist beach?

Why do they constantly moan and bitch about every thing, their beliefs do not fit in with the rest of the world so why do they try to force it upon us. In a nut shell Muslims IF YOU DONT LIKE HOW WE LIVE, FUCK OF BACK TO YOUR OWN SHITHOLE OF A COUNTY.

Big Dave

27th October 2006, 08:41

Ignore him, he's an idiot doing Muslims no favours at all. I know very little about the Muslims, but I choose not to let that pillock help form my opinion

Yep - All the Muslims I know are just regular Joes. That's why it pains to see such drivel heaped upon them.

Dai

27th October 2006, 08:42

You have to understand his position.

He is of a culture that traveled in inhospitable areas with nothing but their camels for relief. After a few centuries of four legged companionship then it is only reasonable that the mere sight of a pleasing contanance would turn their head. It helps if it is a woman too but not a necessity.

They have to be able to put the blame somewhere so that their favourite camel wouldnt get jealous.

Also from my understanding their faith doesnt put any restriction upon women except that heads must be covered whilst worshiping their god.

Its only local customs that have been translated into religious beliefs that has evolved into the various coverings.

Check out all the different levels of covering throughout the muslim regions. They vary from the full head to toe to just the hair.

Swoop

27th October 2006, 08:50

That "person" should be deported out of Australia and back to Iran immediately. Disgusting.

The_Dover

27th October 2006, 08:51

Steam

27th October 2006, 08:53

...not to hate this ignorant prick and his stupid followers. I'm finding it very difficult tho. I wonder if that is what he wants.

That's not ignorance, that's evil, pure evil. You're allowed to hate that.
Women who do not cover up are similar to abandoned "meat" making them responsible for sexual attacks, a senior Islamic cleric has said.
"If she was in her room, in her home, in her hajib, no problem would have occurred."
Women inside and in Islamic dress, welcome to fucking Taliban Afghanistan.

Geez, there must be people all over Oz cleaning their weapons right now.

You think he may be doing it on purpose, a provocation?
Just as the 9/11 attacks weren't a military attack but a provocation to get the USA to go to war with Islam and thus push moderate muslims towards Wahabiism? (extremism)

Hmm... good thought. I think you are right. He's deliberately provocative, trying to stir up action against Australian Muslims, radicalise them through suffering, so Oz will become another battleground just like the UK and US are already.

We in the western world are being radicalised too, just look at me. A former far-left liberal becoming angry and abandoning my previous peaceful attitude.
I am a green voter with anarchist tendencies, but from time to time I come to my senses and thank god we've got the nukes and the vast military industrial complexes. (by we I mean the first world, semi-christian)

Are we heading for a clash of civilisations? Is there any solution beyond levelling the Middle East?
As soon as terrorists start nuking American cities you can bet that'll start happening.
Are we already in the first stages of World War Three? I think we are.

MSTRS

27th October 2006, 08:55

Ignore him, he's an idiot doing Muslims no favours at all. I know very little about the Muslims, but I choose not to let that pillock help form my opinion

Ignore this shit at your peril tho. Muslims ARE listening to this drivel. Look at Nazi Germany and Hitler's hate speeches....

Sniper

27th October 2006, 09:05

All I need is a green orb, problem will be solved then ;)

James Deuce

27th October 2006, 09:05

He's the Brian Tamaki of Islam in Australia. Stop taking him so seriously.

oldrider

27th October 2006, 09:07

I just can not understand women who back these buggers up.

They treat women worse than shit and their women still support them?

They (Muslims) do not deserve to be allowed into this country to practice their crap, in my opinion.

My opinion is not anti freedom, it's because Islam and Muslim's impinge on other people's rights and freedoms. John.

Big Dave

27th October 2006, 09:15

He's the Brian Tamaki of Islam in Australia. Stop taking him so seriously.

Ah - I understand - thanks. I can now just laugh at him.

Pwalo

27th October 2006, 09:37

Just wait till he gets home. His mum is really going to give him some shit.

The_Dover

27th October 2006, 09:50

The sheik went on to say women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men and when it comes to adultery the responsibility falls on the woman 90 per cent of the time.

He's got a point about the weapons of satan thing though......

Big Dave

27th October 2006, 09:52

He's got a point about the weapons of satan thing though......

She'll be apples, mate.

The_Dover

27th October 2006, 10:58

Ok, I've just finished reading the article.

""If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the the garden or in the park or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

- Sheik Taj Aldin Alhilali, Australian mufti (does this mean he doesn't dress like a muslim??)."

Is he trying to tell me I should keep the missus in the fridge, covered with glad wrap and away from cooked meat?

In this world gone mad, we won't eat the pussy, the pussy will eat us.......

ManDownUnder

27th October 2006, 11:42

In this world gone mad, we won't eat the pussy, the pussy will eat us.......

If you're hell bent on misquoting it and taking it out of context... surely it's saying to keep your meat off the street for fear of a pussy coming along and helping itself.

But it's not the pussy's fault - it's the women that owns the pussy... isn't it?

I wonder who's fault it is if it's a man pussy - like Maurice's? Is a woman still to blame?

The_Dover

27th October 2006, 11:46

Is a woman still to blame?

I'd say yes. They are the cause of most of men's problems so we can't be homophobic and exclude Maurice from the suffering.

ManDownUnder

27th October 2006, 11:53

I'd say yes. They are the cause of most of men's problems so we can't be homophobic and exclude Maurice from the suffering.

No worries - so the gender of the owner of the pussy is irrelevant. The pussy is known to attack man meat when left lying around in the sun on the street and it's a woman's fault for not being covered up.

It stands to reason that I can blame Uncle Helen for attacking the average man on the street, and proof she should be covering her face.

Lias

27th October 2006, 12:00

He's the Brian Tamaki of Islam in Australia. Stop taking him so seriously.

No, hes not.. hes the Mufti of all the muslims in aussie and NZ, a position which puts him somewhere up around the archbishop/pope level. This guy is not a flake/cult leader like tamaki, hes the most senior muslim leader in all of Australasia.

The_Dover

27th October 2006, 12:03

hes the most senior muslim leader in all of Australasia.

does he have a man-pussy?

mstriumph

27th October 2006, 12:09

BACK ON TOPIC :done:

ok - i'm female - i'm in australia and have watched the news broadcasts and read translations of what he said and the reaction to it ....

and i am extremely pleased to see the level of debate, censure and condemnation for extremist views WITHIN THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY here that has only happened because this twerp has spouted his drivel publically

two sides of the coin - this mullah fella taking the separatist line he grew up with when he lived in another, harsher place .......... and the exasperation of the younger, more modern muslims who are growing up HERE and want acceptance by the broader community

despite the fact that other mullahs [as they'd have to, really, if their creed is to retain any credibility in their community] are now quasi-supporting him by saying his comments were taken out of context, the mullah-fella in question has been stood down from mullahing duties and has apologised .......

......i reckon it's been a learning experience all round :yes:

and, by the way, i don't much care for the way HE dresses [and i DO mean 'dresses' :dodge: ] either -
...... but i'd be much too polite to say that in public ........... :innocent:

Ixion

27th October 2006, 12:13

Well , he *claims* to be the *Honorary* Mufti of Australia. And New Zealand. But that claim is exactly as valid as Brian Tamki's claim to be a Bishop.

The title of Mufti is only "official" in a country which gives legal recognition to a fatwah. Or, if the title is recgnised by the Caliph of Islam (there is presently no recognised Caliph).

So, just as Mr Tamki's followers may call him "Bishop" (as a title of respect) even though there is no legal basis for the title , so may Imam Hilaly's followers call him Mufti even though there is no legal basis for the title.

Many Australians Muslims do not accord him the title, and there is nothing is Sharia law that requires them to do so. I doubt there would be many (if any) NZ Muslims who would recognise him.

ManDownUnder

27th October 2006, 12:46

I doubt there would be many (if any) NZ Muslims who would recognise him.

Should be easy enough - he's the one with a bloody great bullseye on his back...

mstriumph

27th October 2006, 14:26

:shutup: :shutup:

James Deuce

27th October 2006, 14:45

No, hes not.. hes the Mufti of all the muslims in aussie and NZ, a position which puts him somewhere up around the archbishop/pope level. This guy is not a flake/cult leader like tamaki, hes the most senior muslim leader in all of Australasia.

Yes he is a flake - he's self appointed. He isn't appointed by any higher authority.

*oops - just saw Ixion's post*

Harry33

27th October 2006, 15:57

I had food poisoning on monday...stay away from bad meat(especially pies!!!). I was on the toilet from 4am until noon and lost two kilos. Still it's the smallest my stomach has looks in ages.

Back on topic...
Muslims don't seem to want to be liked from what I can tell. First cartoons and now their own woman, whats next?

Clivoris

27th October 2006, 16:40

:Offtopic: Brian Tamaki would kick his arse:kick: , cut out his man-pussy and wear it as decoration. Our fundamentalists are way tougher than theirs.:2guns:
But not as tough as Yoda.:stoogie:

terbang

27th October 2006, 17:07

i dunno, some of those muslim hosebeasts need to be covered at all times.

they've got more body hair than an adult male silverback and looks that could make milk curdle.

i say bring back the burqha for any chick over 75kgs or with female fur.

For every roughie that you've met I reckon I've met 2 stunners in the muslim world. In fact probably the most beautiful woman I have ever met, I met in Jordan. A Muslim woman.

Skyryder

27th October 2006, 17:19

Any one read Nine Parts of Desire. http://www.islamfortoday.com/9parts.htm

One of the more enlightened reads on this subject. Traditionally Muslim woman were streets ahead in their rights as against Christian woman. I stress traditionally. This has now changed. This clerics views represent the most bigited of the Muslim male point of view. Unfortunately becasue of his 'mana' this point of view becomes the accepted view of mulslim men here in the Souther Hemisphere.

I have read in some detail Islamic history and their religouse veiws. I long ago came to the opinion that this kind of degenertive assertion that woman are the cause of their own sexual attacks should legislated against. It is after all a crime to incite violence. I believe that these remarks are in that catagory.

Skyryder

Mr. Peanut

27th October 2006, 17:48

Big Dave

27th October 2006, 18:32

Live in your own world.

You tell 'Mr Ego' this? mwahahahahahah

Mr. Peanut

27th October 2006, 18:55

Do you believe that my being stronger or faster has anything to do with my muscles in this place? Do you think that's air you're breathing now?

Coyote

27th October 2006, 20:05

I jizzle can not understand bitchez who biznack these bugga up.

Tizzle treat bitchez worse thiznan shizzay n they bitchez still support T-H-to-tha-izzem?

They (Muslims) do not deserve ta be allowed into this country ta practice they C-R-to-tha-izzap, in mah opinion puttin tha smack down.

My opinion is not anti freedom, it's coz Islam n Muslim's impinge on otha people's rights n freedoms fo gettin yo pimp on. Jizzay . Slap your mutha fuckin self.
I thought I'd lighten the mood reading this thread through the Gizoogle translater, this post was particulary funny

crack

28th October 2006, 00:49

I sent the Attached below to Dave White at Radio Live last night:

Forgive me if this diverges in any way, but? read it, decide for your self.

Wait until you have a Mosque in your neighbourhood, with a Dozen Loud speakers, and you have the Imam's WAILING to ALLAH five times a day? you think I am joking or bullshitting:

How often do you hear of, or see a CLERIC or IMAM coming out publicly and saying the shit that went on in Aussie , (or as I have QUOTED from PERSONAL EXPERIANCE ) is down right wrong.

What the world needs now is::love: :love: :love: :love: :rockon: :done:

James Deuce

28th October 2006, 06:47

Lived in the middle of a muslim neighbourhood in the UK and you get used to it very quickly.

They are polite, deferrential, and the intensely muslim Afghanis who ran the local curry house were both very nice people and made 19 thumbs up curries.

The_Dover

28th October 2006, 06:51

yup. I can vouch for jim2's take on living amongst them in the UK, it's not called Bradistan for nothing.

fucking good curries, but I think the climate over there is changing and there is certainly increasing hostility from some of the younger muslims.

insane1

28th October 2006, 07:29

he"s just a bloody radical twat who should be lined up against a wall and shot no more problem.

Big Dave

28th October 2006, 07:36

Interesting follow up on www.smh.com.au
Muslim groups calling for him to be sacked.

Jamezo

28th October 2006, 09:32

Aww, wasn't that a nice result. Turns out that normal people of whatever creed can recognise bigoted extremism for what it is.

Ixion

28th October 2006, 11:01

Interesting follow up on www.smh.co.au (http://www.smh.co.au)
Muslim groups calling for him to be sacked.
It's http://www.smh.com.au (http://www.smh.com.au/)

Lou Girardin

28th October 2006, 16:47

He's different to the many fundamentalist Christian extremists - how?

Mr. Peanut

28th October 2006, 16:51

All that we're asking in return is your cooperation in bringing a known terrorist to justice.

Yeah, well, that sounds like a really good deal. But, I think I have a better one. How about I give you the finger, and you give me my phone call.

Mr. Peanut

4th November 2006, 23:15

:confused:

Clockwork

5th November 2006, 06:27

He's different to the many fundamentalist Christian extremists - how?

Because there are a lot more fanatical extremists ready to kill and maim at the request of people like him?

James Deuce

5th November 2006, 10:56

George Bush is one of those extremist types and currently posesses a firepower advantage.

iwilde

5th November 2006, 14:03

George Bush is one of those extremist types and currently posesses a firepower advantage.

He's even said that he's doing Gods will, good excuse to ignore the UN I guess

BLACK B

5th November 2006, 15:11

Originally Posted by Jim2
George Bush is one of those extremist types and currently posesses a firepower advantage.

He's even said that he's doing Gods will, good excuse to ignore the UN I guess

The Germans and English/Allies were all Traditionally Christians and shared each others religious beliefs. They prayed to him for their lives and courage in the first and second world wars while they killed each other in the millions.
Ultimately the Muslims and Christians all believe God will be the judge.
Sure as there's a Hell, He will be, I wouldn't want to be the one who got it wrong or pretended to be his messenger in a quest for power.

James Deuce

5th November 2006, 16:05

Black B there is a difference between faith and fundamentalism. I will never criticise a person for expressing their faith. Fundamentalists want to impose their faith and tough poo to anyone they mow down while doing it.

GWB's "democratic" crusade is nothing more than imposing what the US currently perceives to embody freedom. No one is free. We exchange our freedom for the limits society enforces in exchange for a relatively comfortable life.

BLACK B

5th November 2006, 19:13

Jim2. You're not wrong. I think however that ultimately the particular Muslim being discussed and those like him (whatever religion or belief) are more focused on using their beliefs to manipulate and oppress their own. GWB is about preserving the safety and economic prosperty of the USA and their global partners.
The benefits of democracy (hand in hand with capitalisim) for the nations who have it speaks for itself.

kro

6th November 2006, 05:43

...not to hate this ignorant prick and his stupid followers.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10407830
I'm finding it very difficult tho. I wonder if that is what he wants.

The reality of it is, though, that somewhere between his fundamentalist dogma, and the way a lot of women dress today, is a suitable compromise of modesty. Ever stopped to watch TV adverts depicting such mundane items as toothpaste, and kitchen cleaners?, the all have cleavage in them, not just boobs under a tight top, but visible tit. WTF?, we are bombarded with womens sexuality daily, and we just don't even see it anymore.

The state of attire on girls from 10-20 years old is appalling. My daughter already wants to dress like a tramp, and she's 8, and I don't want her to appear like some slutty little tramp, probably for reasons not entirely different from this guys reasons.

But yes Dave, my rant aside, other religions customs are never going to fit in our societal box, so yeah.