F*cking brilliant Hayden picture [Archive]

Crasherfromwayback

2nd November 2006, 12:12

For those of you that think he didn't deserve the title!

Tucked under the screen, knee down, and well sideways!
Pure determination.

And you've gotta admit....it's good for the sport to have someone else at the top for a change!

Rossi's had an amazing run of good luck over the years, had to run out sooner or later. That's racing.....

placidfemme

2nd November 2006, 12:15

They make those bikes look so small...

kiwifruit

2nd November 2006, 12:16

what a beast! :rockon:

vifferman

2nd November 2006, 12:27

For those of you that think he didn't deserve the title!

Tucked under the screen, knee down, and well sideways!
Pure determination.
... and a dirt track background (what he started off doing).

I dunno if I've still got it, but there's a clip on youtube or whatever of him riding a SuperRetard (with Biatchi and others). There's one bit where he pops a wheelie, drops it into a stoppie, then slides it, the wheelies again. And going around the corners, he's doing it hybrid style: knee down, but sliding the rear.

Here it is:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8462378466997568582&q=supermoto

Crasherfromwayback

2nd November 2006, 13:18

They make those bikes look so small...

Yeah the bikes are so small...none of the top guys are big....they're all built like jockeys!

Toast

2nd November 2006, 13:20

Here it is:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8462378466997568582&q=supermoto

Thanks for posting that mate...was looking for that a while back...it's a classic...true quality.

Goblin

2nd November 2006, 13:38

Yeah the bikes are so small...none of the top guys are big....they're all built like jockeys!
I read somewhere that Rossi is 5'11"....would hardly call that jocky-ish. Pedrosa is a midget though.

James Deuce

2nd November 2006, 13:43

Rossi is like only 8 or 9 kg heavier than Pedrosa.

Thanks for the picture, it's my new wallpaper.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd November 2006, 14:00

I read somewhere that Rossi is 5'11"....would hardly call that jocky-ish. Pedrosa is a midget though.

he may well be....but he's one of the only ones to be around that height!
Check him when he stands next to just about all of the others....and lets face it, even 5'11" is hardly huge....I'm 5'11" but only weight 70kgs. Still small.

Goblin

2nd November 2006, 14:03

Yeah when Elias was on the 1st spot on the podium and Rossi was 3rd and they were both the same height.:laugh:

Cool pic btw. ;)

placidfemme

2nd November 2006, 14:13

Yeah the bikes are so small...none of the top guys are big....they're all built like jockeys!

From the front view the bikes little small... but when they do a side shot or rear shot the bikes look a bit big lol...

boomer

2nd November 2006, 14:17

top pic mate!

There's one bit where he pops a wheelie, drops it into a stoppie, then slides it, the wheelies again. And going around the corners, he's doing it hybrid style: knee down, but sliding the rear.

nice clip mate, cheers.

You notice him drop it down 2 gears whilst doing the stoppie, setting the corner up!

gets teh blood pumpin!!

vifferman

2nd November 2006, 14:20

I read somewhere that Rossi is 5'11"....would hardly call that jocky-ish. Pedrosa is a midget though.
Yeah, Rossi is one of the taller MotoGP riders. Most of them are tiny.
According to MotoGP News, Pedrosa is only 6 atoms high.:laugh:

Deano

2nd November 2006, 14:33

Nice thread CFWB !!

I was getting sick of hearing all the grizzles about him not deserving the title.

That picture says a thousand words all right.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd November 2006, 14:44

Nice thread CFWB !!

I was getting sick of hearing all the grizzles about him not deserving the title.

That picture says a thousand words all right.

Cheers Bruva....

In that picture I see a man that was not to be denied.
I've seen all of the posts about just why Rossi may've crashed.

It's called pressure. And while only a fool would deny that of late Rossi has been untouchable.....only a fool would now say Hayden isn't worthy of the title. He wasn't the one picking his bike out of the gravel Sunday.

Qkchk

2nd November 2006, 14:59

Green bling awarded for my new wallpaper ;)

Masterchop

2nd November 2006, 15:40

Good to see Haydon win the title,he did well to come back from behind on points.

But kinda sad Rossi couldnt pull off the final 990cc championship.He is a real champion and has an incredible mental strength and is the best rider without a doubt.

Gremlin

2nd November 2006, 15:49

They make those bikes look so small...
They ARE small.... and when Pedrosa makes the honda look like a huge bike... its shows how small he is :shit:

Double bubbles are almost a requirement on those bikes now :(

not a bad pic... wish it was high res. Still wish Rossi had finished top... I hate how Hayden acts up for the camera etc.

merv

2nd November 2006, 15:53

Anyone who's a dirt tracker too is OK in my book, and he was riding for Honda. I do like Rossi because he is obviously the best we have seen since Agostini in my view.

merv

2nd November 2006, 15:57

Still wish Rossi had finished top... I hate how Hayden acts up for the camera etc.

Like Rossi didn't; always poking his nose at the camera and doing tricks with stethoscopes and stuff like that? In comparison Hayden is rather mild. However, I don't mind that and as above I said I like Rossi, he is the true champion. Of late we have had a great bunch in MotoGP since Max left and took his attitude with him. Capirossi has been fantastic too.

Mr Skid

2nd November 2006, 16:01

They make those bikes look so small...

They ARE small....
Gremlin could make any bike look small. :Pokey:

merv

2nd November 2006, 16:04

Love this stuff on Hayden http://www.speedtv.com/articles/moto/motogp/33691/ he's been around a while. Motu this would bring tears to your eyes.

This is similar to the shot CFWB put up above with him on the RC211V except he's got his foot down and head up a bit http://www.speedtv.com/_assets/library/img/large/127049_nickdtracking.jpg

He likes hanging it out http://www.speedtv.com/_assets/library/img/large/127034_nhama.jpg

Maha

2nd November 2006, 16:15

I read somewhere that Rossi is 5'11"....would hardly call that jocky-ish. Pedrosa is a midget though.

180cm.........so yeah 5'11'...but weighs 59kgs. He must have a tough fitness regime, i remember Mick Doohan always jogged around every circut that next on the list, doesnt seem like much but after the gym work wouldnt ya just wanna sit down with a cold beer?...

Crasherfromwayback

2nd November 2006, 16:15

I do like Rossi because he is obviously the best we have seen since Agostini in my view.

I think you're forgetting Mick Doohan.....not only the best, but the hardest of them all.

lukelin250

2nd November 2006, 16:19

brilliant pic gona put it on my phone as a wallpaper, after watching that vid its no wonder the guys at the top. :gob:

merv

2nd November 2006, 16:20

I think you're forgetting Mick Doohan.....not only the best, but the hardest of them all.

He never won the Daytona 200 or at Isle of Man like Ago did nor 15 world championships riding 2 bikes on the same day. I'm not sure if comparisons are ever apples with apples. Doohan was certainly tough coming back from his disappointment of '92 and I did like him too; oh yeah he was on a Honda.

A lot of people say Ago had it easy, but not when Hailwood was around. The 1967 GP at the Isle of Man was a classic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_British_motorcycle_Grand_Prix.

Then for Ago to silence his critics by switching to Yamaha in '74 and still win the 350 championship and win at Daytona on the TZ750 first time out in USA was special http://www.motorcyclemuseum.org/halloffame/hofbiopage.asp?id=112 and then go on to win the 500 championship also on Yamaha the man could ride.

Not to take anything away from Hayden, Rossi or Doohan of course - all champions.

Maha

2nd November 2006, 16:33

deeknow

2nd November 2006, 16:45

there's a clip on youtube or whatever of him riding a SuperRetard (with Biatchi and others).

I just love the contrast between Hayden and Biaggi, the latter looking TOTALLY out of his league on the Motard. And that sequence you described Hayden doing is just mind-bending. Brilliant!!!

Crasherfromwayback

2nd November 2006, 16:52

He never won the Daytona 200 or at Isle of Man like Ago did nor 15 world championships riding 2 bikes on the same day. I'm not sure if comparisons are ever apples with apples. Doohan was certainly tough coming back from his disappointment of '92 and I did like him too; oh yeah he was on a Honda.

A lot of people say Ago had it easy, but not when Hailwood was around. The 1967 GP at the Isle of Man was a classic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_British_motorcycle_Grand_Prix.

Then for Ago to silence his critics by switching to Yamaha in '74 and still win the 350 championship and win at Daytona on the TZ750 first time out in USA was special http://www.motorcyclemuseum.org/halloffame/hofbiopage.asp?id=112 and then go on to win the 500 championship also on Yamaha the man could ride.

Not to take anything away from Hayden, Rossi or Doohan of course - all champions.

All of those achievements were incredible..but I always hold Doohan in such high regards with his five straight titles AFTER such crippling injuries.
Hey my right leg's so fucked I can't use the rear brake! Never mind....put a thumb brake on the bars for me boys....I'll sort it! Gotta love it!

Darkman

2nd November 2006, 17:04

Rossi is like only 8 or 9 kg heavier than Pedrosa.

he must be very skinny, cause he is quite tall..

cheers for the nice pic btw..

MattRSK

2nd November 2006, 17:17

Love this stuff on Hayden http://www.speedtv.com/articles/moto/motogp/33691/ he's been around a while. Motu this would bring tears to your eyes.

Yeah read that. Then try and tell me he doesn't deserve it.

SuperDave

2nd November 2006, 17:20

180cm.........so yeah 5'11'...but weighs 59kgs. He must have a tough fitness regime, i remember Mick Doohan always jogged around every circut that next on the list, doesnt seem like much but after the gym work wouldnt ya just wanna sit down with a cold beer?...

I got no fitness routine and I'm 180cm and only 60kgs :bleh:

Hayden had nothing to lose whereas Rossi had so much. That sorta pressure fucks with your head. But I guess, it came down to whoever rode better on the day. It is a shame that Rossi couldn't have put his name down in history as having complete dominance over the 990cc era.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd November 2006, 17:21

Yeah read that. Then try and tell me he doesn't deserve it.

Yeah and then check this! Boy, they're all lucky I wasn't there! cough cough..
Ok so I'm not sideways, and I don't have a screen to hide behind.....but it is an 883 Harley!!:scooter:

MattRSK

2nd November 2006, 17:23

Yeah and then check this! Boy, they're all lucky I wasn't there! cough cough..
Ok so I'm not sideways, and I don't have a screen to hide behind.....but it is an 883 Harley!!:scooter:

Awesome. I am still waiting for my photos to come through from my trackday experience. Hoping to look something like that :yes: :rockon:

Lou Girardin

2nd November 2006, 17:23

No-one will remember Hayden in 10 years time, Rossi will never be forgotten.
5 wins to 2 - they're in a different league

Crasherfromwayback

2nd November 2006, 17:25

No-one will remember Hayden in 10 years time, Rossi will never be forgotten.
5 wins to 2 - they're in a different league

Dunno 'bout that mate....Hayden may well be remembered as the ONLY person that beat Rossi in the four stroke era!:Punk:

Tim 39

2nd November 2006, 17:32

that is one cooooool photo.... hmm maybe thats where I'm going wrong, I can't tuck down, have it sideways and still be able to go round corners all at the same time!!!!!!!!

Lou Girardin

2nd November 2006, 17:36

Dunno 'bout that mate....Hayden may well be remembered as the ONLY person that beat Rossi in the four stroke era!:Punk:

BEAT him?
What, twice?
Big deal. Rossi lost the crown through bad luck. You'll never see Hayden work his way from 12th to 2nd. One's a genius, the other's lucky.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd November 2006, 17:42

BEAT him?
What, twice?
Big deal. Rossi lost the crown through bad luck. You'll never see Hayden work his way from 12th to 2nd. One's a genius, the other's lucky.

Mate...you'll not see me argue the fact that Rossi IS a genius...he's shown that time and time again. But you need to also realise that Rossi has had the luck of the Gods for YEARS! Ever seen him break a bone before this year? Despite some huge crashes? NO. Yeah he had some troubles this year...but that's racing mate...and when it came down to the last race.....all in....it was he who threw it down the road and Hayden that won it! Credit where credit's due mate.
Was Hayden LUCKY when his team mate took him out with one round to go?
Rossi had an 8 point lead, and the only time he's been in that situation....he failed to convert it into a championship!!!

You're showing your ignorance about racing because you're so in love with Rossi.

gav

2nd November 2006, 17:58

And they're gonna make the new bikes look even smaller!

MyGSXF

2nd November 2006, 18:07

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8462378466997568582&q=supermoto

now THAT is ferking brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :Punk:

merv

2nd November 2006, 18:09

Any one find out how many cylinders the 212 is running - is it a V5 again or is it back to a V4?

James Deuce

2nd November 2006, 18:20

V4 - Basically the V5 with a cylinder lopped off.

enigma51

2nd November 2006, 18:41

I think I want a motard!

enigma51

2nd November 2006, 18:43

Yeah read that. Then try and tell me he doesn't deserve it.

Any person that wins the motogp title deserve it he was the one that kept he's nose clean and ended with the title!

Grumpy

2nd November 2006, 19:03

Rossi had an 8 point lead, and the only time he's been in that situation....he failed to convert it into a championship!!!

You're showing your ignorance about racing because you're so in love with Rossi.

Do you seriously think it would have been that close if Rossi was on the Honda and Haydon was on the Yamaha? The man from Kentuky is obviously no slug but the Honda was definately an advantage.

jonbuoy

2nd November 2006, 19:04

Anyone whos willing or even able to jump on a GP bike and rag the arse of it deserves whatever they win.

James Deuce

2nd November 2006, 19:06

Do you seriously think it would have been that close if Rossi was on the Honda and Haydon was on the Yamaha? The man from Kentuky is obviously no slug but the Honda was definately an advantage.

The Honda Hayden was riding was a disadvantage. Hayden had to overcome Honda before he could compete with the other riders. New parts every week and having to take backwards steps every time something didn't work, while the guys he was riding against generally got better every week. Except the Yamaha which went backwards more than once and Edwards' performance was probably more representative of the real performance of the Yamaha than Rossi's. ROssi is worth at least 2 seconds a lap.

Hopefully Hayden will now be able to tell HRC to take their test and development parts and shove them up their arse, much like like Doohan used to tell HRC.

roogazza

2nd November 2006, 19:35

Yeah and then check this! Boy, they're all lucky I wasn't there! cough cough..
Ok so I'm not sideways, and I don't have a screen to hide behind.....but it is an 883 Harley!!:scooter:

Ah ha ! Dave Aldana ! Wonder how many of the hot shoes on here remember him ???? G. (bet Merv does ? )

The_Dover

2nd November 2006, 19:36

Doohan used to stick HRC parts up his arse?

why?

Lou Girardin

2nd November 2006, 19:37

You're showing your ignorance about racing because you're so in love with Rossi.

No. Pedrosa's cuter, don't you just want to hug him to bits?

James Deuce

2nd November 2006, 19:39

Doohan used to stick HRC parts up his arse?

why?

Wanted to keep that funny bandy legged walk he developed.

The_Dover

2nd November 2006, 19:41

No. Pedrosa's cuter, don't you just want to hug him to bits?

a big man hug.

gav

2nd November 2006, 19:44

No. Pedrosa's cuter, don't you just want to hug him to bits?
Yeah, Nicky and Dani are just such happy go lucky dudes! Check them out, feel the lurve....

James Deuce

2nd November 2006, 19:46

Can't you just see the RCV lying on its side in the next frame with Nicky trapped under it and Dani sprinting off yelling, "Feets don't fail me now!"?

Crasherfromwayback

2nd November 2006, 19:54

Ah ha ! Dave Aldana ! Wonder how many of the hot shoes on here remember him ???? G. (bet Merv does ? )

When I saw the first pictures of Dave A racing in his skeleton suit....I then and there decided that I needed one just like it.

Fucking handy actually....you can lie on the side of the track and simply point to which bone(s) you've just broken!

Crasherfromwayback

2nd November 2006, 19:55

No. Pedrosa's cuter, don't you just want to hug him to bits?

lol....I doubt I'd make him smile!

TonyB

2nd November 2006, 19:58

Awesome pic!

Here it is:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8462378466997568582&q=supermoto
And VID!:gob:

Damn I wish I could do that... so much bike control

I noticed a comment about Doohan- I read an article where they compared Rossi and Doohan. The basic idea was that Rossi loves racing, he enjoys it and he has a great time doing it and he has never seriously injured himself, while Doohan rode like he was being chased by his own demons, didn't seem to have a great time doing it, and did a fair bit of damage to himself in the process. Very different personalities.

merv

2nd November 2006, 20:05

Ah ha ! Dave Aldana ! Wonder how many of the hot shoes on here remember him ???? G. (bet Merv does ? )

Christ yes I was around before Mert Lawill was doing his thing in On Any Sunday, but then Gaz you and Gat were around long before me cheering them on when they were riding Triumph twins and stuff like that in USA. Even though I'm a 60's-70's child I am from the plastic era of Japanese bikes.

Here's an Aldana link showing the signature leathers http://www.motorcyclemuseum.org/halloffame/hofbiopage.asp?id=18

pritch

2nd November 2006, 20:14

But you need to also realise that Rossi has had the luck of the Gods for YEARS! .

Which sort of reminds me about a Gary Player golf story. Player had just won another major as a result of sinking a seemingly impossible putt. The comentator said to him words to the effect, "Sinking that putt was really lucky."
Player replied, "Yeah, the more I practice the luckier I get."

Perhaps we mortals don't always fully understand what we're looking at. I'm still amazed at Milandri's flourish at the finish of the Aust GP...

Fact is most of those guys can ride like that... Some (eg Biaggi) are very smooth, some (eg Hayden) can slide it, others (eg Rossi) can do it all.

Motu

2nd November 2006, 20:53

We don't want to see Aldana in his skeleton leathers on a Jap bike Merv! They were more famous on the dirt track.He usualy rode BSA's and Norton's.

merv

2nd November 2006, 20:56

Geez formation flying.

As for Jap bikes the man was a legend starting on an 80cc Suzuki at 14 and moving up to a Honda 90 at 16 for some real power.

Motu

2nd November 2006, 21:04

Yeah,the only Jap bikes you could use on the dirt tracks was the XS650,and they were seriously outclassed....it needed a rider like Kenny Roberts to put them where they shouldn't possibly be.

merv

2nd November 2006, 21:42

I thought your favourite was the RS750 though?

http://www.motorcyclemuseum.org/classics/bike.asp?id=25

Crasherfromwayback

3rd November 2006, 07:03

And how 'bout Kenny on the TZ700?? Whoa!!

merv

3rd November 2006, 07:09

You mean this one http://www.superbikeplanet.com/dontpaymeenuff.htm brilliant?

Love the link "dont pay me enuff".

What I am finding is that it is hard to find Hayden dirt track photos on the net. Anyone found any good ones? Seeing this is the Hayden thread 'n all!

Motu

3rd November 2006, 07:32

Here's one of Nicky on the RS750,that's all we need eh Merv? The other is a painting of King Kenny on the bike they couldn't pay him enough to ride.I sometimes use it as a wall paper.He only used it once,just to clinch the title which hung on one race.It had enough speed on the straights to blitz anyone,and destroyed the rear tyre....but it must of been a handfull.

I've used that photo of Nicky before to show how with no front brake he has fully compressed the forks and loaded the front tyre,pushing the rear wheel out at the same time.He'll push the rear out some more,then hold it with the throttle as he powers out of the turn.This is why the American riders were able to cope with such evil handling bikes - but at the moment it was Rossi and not Edwards who could ride around the Yamaha problem this year.....and Caparossi on the Ducati would put any dirt tracker to shame!

roogazza

3rd November 2006, 07:55

Thanks Merv, You blokes just reminded me why the body aches so much !

We'd do it all again in the blink of an eye though, wouldn't we ?

Back to Hayden, I will never forget seeing him at Mugello 05, Crossed up , smoking the rear and waving to the crowd and going soooo bloody fast at the time ! They're all amazing to me. Gaz.

Crasherfromwayback

3rd November 2006, 11:31

Smoking...!

Ivan

3rd November 2006, 12:25

yes theseguys are all good riders have you noticed the group that have dirt track knowlege are the best sliders I wonder why that is?:innocent:

Cleve

3rd November 2006, 12:33

yes theseguys are all good riders have you noticed the group that have dirt track knowlege are the best sliders I wonder why that is?:innocent:

apart from at least Rossi who believes too much dirt riding in your early formative years is not good for road racing

Ivan

3rd November 2006, 12:40

apart from at least Rossi who believes too much dirt riding in your early formative years is not good for road racing

I did my best laps after doing speedway it helps so much because you dont have the brakes and have to corner the bike at speed is lots of fun yes I was not fast at it but when I did my first track day back i did my best ever lap time Rossi doesnt count because he is not human they put a machine on that bike a machine with gigantic balls because he has so much more speed than anyone else likje getting back up to 13h you have to say he did deserve that title and i'm a Hayden fan

Sketchy_Racer

3rd November 2006, 12:46

Nice attitude Ivan.

:yes:

The_Dover

3rd November 2006, 12:50

Smoking...!

that's not Hayden, that's Finn nipping out for a latte and a bran muffin on his blade.

you can clearly see 3 lamps in the background.

Ivan

3rd November 2006, 13:21

Nice attitude Ivan.

:yes:

cheers, must be worth some blingsta aye:Punk:

Pex Adams

3rd November 2006, 14:11

This just shows what a freakin awesome MotoGP season we had.

Personally, I think that Padrosa will be the star in the future, that is if he can learn to ride in the wet, mind you!

Bring on next year!

Stroker Girl

3rd November 2006, 14:32

what a beast! :rockon:

Yeah, the bike's not bad either! Nicky Hayden...........Phwoarhhh:love:

Motu

3rd November 2006, 14:39

apart from at least Rossi who believes too much dirt riding in your early formative years is not good for road racing

Flattrack is different than the dirt riding Rossi would do in Europe - on a Mile they do 140mph on the straights and throw it sideways in the corners at over 100mph,that is why the American's are so good at high speed slides....not because they fang around an MX track.And as Ivan points out,even the ''slower'' speeds on a 1/4 mile speedway are damn fast riding hard out,totaly different to off road riding.....but all skills are usefull to add to your package.

Crasherfromwayback

3rd November 2006, 15:00

Yeah, the bike's not bad either! Nicky Hayden...........Phwoarhhh:love:

lol...calm down there Love....he's probably still a virgin being such a God Fearing Boy!

gav

3rd November 2006, 19:40

Right, so how much flat tracking has Marco Melandri and Toni Elias done in the past?

merv

3rd November 2006, 19:45

Whatever, Pedrosa didn't do a bad job for a newbie.

Crasherfromwayback

3rd November 2006, 19:46

Right, so how much flat tracking has Marco Melandri and Toni Elias done in the past?

lol.....looking at Elias at Portugal you'd swear he's a ten times world speedway champ!

merv

3rd November 2006, 20:07

So the RS750 did have a back brake then:

http://www.americansupercamp.com/photos/colton01/rs750a.jpg

denill

3rd November 2006, 20:10

He likes hanging it out http://www.speedtv.com/_assets/library/img/large/127034_nhama.jpg

Hey that is SOME shot............:rockon: :rockon:

Motu

4th November 2006, 09:07

Ivan

4th November 2006, 10:22

yep perfect this guy has hada good career I wish him well for the future as well he has 2 more years with factory Honda so who knows how much of a confidence boost this will bring him for his future racing

gav

4th November 2006, 18:02

Crasherfromwayback

5th November 2006, 05:18

They started using rear brakes in the '70's Merv,not used in the traditional sense on the track.

Here's another good shot of Nicky,it really shows he's riding the bike in a different style than the others.Brings to mind the Kenny Roberts maxim - ''You'll never lose the front if you're on the gas'' Look how often Stoner and Pedrosa lose the front wheel....how often does Hayden go down from a front wheel tuck?

Great picture Motu! To me, that picture shows just how much they ride those 990's like 250's now. Huge lean angles with lots of corner speed....it's no wonder the young guns coming up from the 250's are going so well.
They're not really simply getting into the corner as deep as poss then picking them up and squirting them out like they used to with the 500's.
Can you dig up some pics from the early to mid nineties as a comparison?

I bet the 90's era guys are 'sitting on top' of the bikes more....shoulders open.

Also....how many more laps do you think the Ducati's rear tyre would do?

sAsLEX

5th November 2006, 08:27

Also....how many more laps do you think the Ducati's rear tyre would do?

Did 30 at the front weekend just been, and thats all it needs to do really!

Crasherfromwayback

5th November 2006, 09:03

Did 30 at the front weekend just been, and thats all it needs to do really!

100% correct there, and hats off to Bayliss and Capirossi!

But......I doubt the tyre in that picture would've won a 30 lap race.