For Inline + Mrs Inline

[Sniper]

Chatted to Speedygirl, and I was going to wait till Monday, but as they say, sooner the better.

I was thinking of organising a bit of a money pool that we can do to help Inline and Mrs Inline for the future. Im in for $50. From what Ive heard, there is going to be a long road to travel and from previous experience, I can say it can be a lonely one.

I have nothing witty or personal to say about Inlines injuries other than it shocked me to hear at happened. Regardless of never having met the guy in the flesh, I have chatted to him a variety of times and I felt absolutly gutted to hear it happened to such a nice guy.

Ways of donating are yet to be decided, but I was thinking of opening a separate bank account and making the number availible for those that wish to deposit something to help out. Anyone with any better ideas?

Update
Bank Details for those that wanted them.


ASB Bank
acccount number 12-31-35 0074676-50

[SuperDave]

Sounds like a good idea.

[James Deuce]

I'm in. I bought my CB400 off John and it wasn't immaculate just like he said, but geez it was fun. Bit like him really.

[Cibby]

Sniper, that is a really good idea, travel and stuff can be expensive..

perhaps one of teh CHCH moderators (If there is one) would step up to facilitate this?

Let us know the details when in place.

Cheers

Cibby

[ZorsT]

I'm all for helping those two. Let me know what to do.

[Macktheknife]

Hey sniper not a hijack, but for those in Auckland I am putting together a 'care package' for John to be sent down on Friday 10/11/06, some ideas are audio books, puzzles, small things etc, be careful not to overload John or the staff.
He cannot hold normal books or mags at present so think about what you want to send, PM me for details.
I would be up for contributing to the fund also, keep me informed.

[Sniper]

I'll set up an account and post up the details on Monday. You dont need to attach anything to the deposit so you can remain as anynomous as you like.

Mack thats a brilliant idea and I sure as heck dont mind offerings of help on this thread :D

If its feasible. Could a moderator make this a sticky for however long?

[onearmedbandit]

Who's name will the account be in and who will have access to it?

[Titanium]

How about a pass the hat around a KB TD4 ?

Might get a substantial up take there .... I'll be in for a donation.

I'll donate shipping (courier) to Chch from Hamilton for any Items that Hamilton KBer's might want to donate.

Cheers

[Sniper]

Who's name will the account be in and who will have access to it?

Im open to ideas. I would prefer just Donna and John to have total access, but that would mean they would have to open the account wouldnt they?

Could I open up an account and give them the only access or make it an internet access only and give them the details?


(I havent opened a bank account since I was 16 so Im not 100%)

[onearmedbandit]

See if Donna can open an account or provide us with hers or Johns account number.

[Sniper]

See if Donna can open an account or provide us with hers or Johns account number.

Thats a good idea too

[Coyote]

Sorry, I've been living in a cave lately. What has happened?

[sAsLEX]

Sorry, I've been living in a cave lately. What has happened?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=38334

[chanceyy]

Brilliant Idea ..

I am happy to donate

I will await further details ;)

[Grahameeboy]

Still think a Trust is the way to go.....

[James Deuce]

Me too. The tax issues will be nasty if we flood their bank account with money, along with the admin.

[Grahameeboy]

Me too. The tax issues will be nasty if we flood their bank account with money, along with the admin.


and it can be a long term thing cause it is the future that is important cause right now ACC will do good but once they need a mobility vehicle which he can drive etc tnhen ACC get twitchy and these vehicles cost $120,000 so a Trust may help bridge gaps like this.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Me too. The tax issues will be nasty if we flood their bank account with money, along with the admin.


A trust account must be the way as far as big donations go.

But why don't we set up a KB account for smaller amounts that could simply be passed on to Donna as helpful spending cash?
Fuck, I'll bet there are heaps of members here that'll direct credit an account like that a few bucks a week!!

I'm sure a trustworthy KB senior member in Donna's area would be only too happy to pass on this small token.

[Grahameeboy]

A trust account must be the way as far as big donations go.

But why don't we set up a KB account for smaller amounts that could simply be passed on to Donna as helpful spending cash?
Fuck, I'll bet there are heaps of members here that'll direct credit an account like that a few bucks a week!!

I'm sure a trustworthy KB senior member in Donna's area would be only too happy to pass on this small token.

Me not rich but happy to put some in every week..........

[Crasherfromwayback]

Me not rich but happy to put some in every week..........

Mate.....I'm a motorcycle salesman....there's no money in that! Who's got a violin I can borrow?

But seriously, I know only too well that people have financial commitments, as I deal with other's money every day. But if you think about it....even $1.00 from every caring KB member per week sure would help these guys.

[soundbeltfarm]

Donna
Any thing you may need a hand with Im sure us Taranaki Kbers will help.

Dont hesitate to ask.

Karl.

[SpeedyGirl]

Morning all

I spoke to Donna this morning and she will look into a trust account when she gets home, I will ask her to post it in here for you all :)

SpeedyGirl (Liz)

[terbang]

A good Idea in the spirit of the motorcycle world. Count me in.

[Scouse]

Sniper I will be passing the Helmet around on the Coro ride on the 19th for donations for John and Donna so could you pm me the details of the trust account

[Hitcher]

There must be KBers with expertise in tax law who can provide advice as to the best way to allow funds to be transfered without tax implications for the recipients. Speak up, Bean Counters!

[Sniper]

Good as gold guys. Looks like Donna will set up the trust account and send the number to us through SpeedyGirl. I will then alter the first post of this thread to show.

The support here is brilliant, thanks guys. For all the shit that we can spin, its a great feeling to see that we can pull together to help a fellow brother when he needs it.

[Blondini]

You guys are an amazing lot.It really fills my heart ,that you guys care so much and are prepared to help one another in times of real need.Count me in,travelling will be the biggest expense immediately.:rockon:

[sAsLEX]

The support here is brilliant, thanks guys. For all the shit that we can spin, its a great feeling to see that we can pull together to help a fellow brother when he needs it.

Kind of like the little kid in Whanganui.

I know alot of people have their eyes on some of the bikes he has collected so maybe a high reserve auction on them once/if he decides to part with them would be another way of supporting him

[Ghost Lemur]

Kind of like the little kid in Whanganui.

I know alot of people have their eyes on some of the bikes he has collected so maybe a high reserve auction on them once/if he decides to part with them would be another way of supporting him

Was thinking the same thing.

[Crasherfromwayback]

There must be KBers with expertise in tax law who can provide advice as to the best way to allow funds to be transfered without tax implications for the recipients. Speak up, Bean Counters!

Yeah Dude....if you want, I'll put you in touch with Phil who I worked with at WMCC for 8 years. He's a good mate and has since moved on to law.
He works for the IRD.....yeah yeah....I know! He's all good though!
PM me if you're interested.

Pete

[Meekey_Mouse]

Best wishes to Inline and familly, I will see what I can do about scroungin some money up.

My dad came really close to Inline's injuries... scary stuff.

Jas

[Blairos]

Once the account is up & running, count me in for a hundy...:niceone:

[Lissa]

All the best to Mr and Mrs Inline.... hope everything goes ok.:yes: I'll diff be happy to help out.

[Sniper]

In regards to donations guys, heres what Donna posted up in the other thread


I will go and see Public Trust on Tuesday and then let you all know about how to make donations. I will get it set up for John with his boy Brett (aged 6) as next-of-kin on it as I can still work and support us.
God bless you all Donna

S

[Macktheknife]

and it can be a long term thing cause it is the future that is important cause right now ACC will do good but once they need a mobility vehicle which he can drive etc tnhen ACC get twitchy and these vehicles cost $120,000 so a Trust may help bridge gaps like this.

Actually thats not entirely correct, almost any vehicle can be modified to accomodate a person with a disability. I have been involved with the process from time to time. Hell I even know a guy who races his modified car!
As far as ACC goes they are required under the legislation to provide certain things for the injured person, knowing what and how makes a big difference to getting things done smoothly.
Donna, let me know when you want help with ACC, I can get you all the info you need to get it done right.
Mack

[Ixion]

AS most are aware, an injured person is entitled to a weekly compensation payment of 80% of pre injury earnings.

What is often overlooked , and ACC will not point it out, is that those earnings can (and should) include any overtime, allowances, payments in lieu etc.

So, Mrs Inline , when putting in the info for ACC, make sure that the relevant earnings include everything.

ACC in my experience (quite a bit) are usually a pack of cunts. Leavened by the occasional ACC bod who is helpful and proactive. The trick is to get a good case manager. The good ones are wonderful, the bad ones are horrible. And demand (politely) what you are entitled to.

Incidentally you can probably claim for travel expenses to visit him, now and in the future. And lots of other stuff. Including household help, payments for lawn mowing, and a lot of help with modifications to house, vehicles etc.

But you do have to ask. And ask again. Until you get what you are entitled to.

[Macktheknife]

AS most are aware, an injured person is entitled to a weekly compensation payment of 80% of pre injury earnings.

What is often overlooked , and ACC will not point it out, is that those earnings can (and should) include any overtime, allowances, payments in lieu etc.
.

Ummmm sorry Ixion, but you are incorrect.
The legislation specifically prevents this from being considered, the calculations can only include the standard working hours of the contract. If your employment contract specifies that you work for 50 hours then that is the calculation figure, if you happen to work overtime to 60 hrs then that is not taken into account, ACC does not have a choice in this, it is fixed in the legislation.

[crashe]

So many things to now consider.

[Sniper]

The other thing that they will also need to look at is ...............

So many things to now consider.

Apologese if I seem rude crashe. But Im sure John and Donna wouldnt like stuff like that being talked about on a public forum.

[Ixion]

Ummmm sorry Ixion, but you are incorrect.
The legislation specifically prevents this from being considered, the calculations can only include the standard working hours of the contract. If your employment contract specifies that you work for 50 hours then that is the calculation figure, if you happen to work overtime to 60 hrs then that is not taken into account, ACC does not have a choice in this, it is fixed in the legislation.

Can you specifiy where? I don't see it in the Act

Note that i'm dealing here with employees. It's more complicated for contractors and self employed but I presume that IL4, as a nurse , is on salary.


From the Act

INJURY PREVENTION, REHABILITATION, AND COMPENSATION ACT 2001
PART 1 - PRELIMINARY PROVISIONS
9. Earnings as an employee: what it means—



9.Earnings as an employee: what it means—
(1)``Earnings as an employee'', in relation to any person and any [tax year], means all source deduction payments of the person for the [tax year].
(2)This section is subject to sections 10 to 13.
Cf 1998 No 114 s 17


Subject to (none of them relevant in this case I think)


11.Earnings as an employee: what it does not include—
(1)``Earnings as an employee'', in relation to any person and any [tax year], does not include—
(a)any income-tested benefit, veteran's pension, New Zealand superannuation, living alone payment, or withholding payment; or
[(aa)any parental leave payments paid under Part 7A of the Parental Leave and Employment Protection Act 1987; or]
(b)any student allowance established in accordance with regulations made under section 303 of the Education Act 1989; or
(c)any amount allocated to a person or persons, other than the person who is the employee in question, under section GD 3 of the [Income Tax Act 2004]; or
(d)any amount deemed to be a dividend paid by any person, to the person who is the employee in question, under section GD 5 of the [Income Tax Act 2004]; or
(e)any redundancy payment; or
(f)any retiring allowance; or
(g)any pension from a superannuation scheme or pension fund not registered under the Superannuation Schemes Act 1989[; or]
[(h)any pension that is paid in the circumstances set out in any of the following provisions:
(i)section DF 4 of the Income Tax Act 1994 or section DC 2 of the Income Tax Act 2004:
(ii)section DF 8A or section DF 8B of the Income Tax Act 1994 or section DC 3 of the Income Tax Act 2004:
(iii)section FF 17 of the Income Tax Act 1994.]

(2)In this section, ``income-tested benefit'', ``veteran's pension'', ``New Zealand superannuation'', ``living alone payment'', and ``withholding payment'' have the same meanings as in section OB 1 of the Income Tax Act 1994.

Cf 1998 No 114 s 19


In short, if you paid PAYE income tax on it, it's entitled to be considered as "earnings" for compensation calculation. This includes overtime payments , most bonuses, commission payments etc. It gets more complicated for self employed and partnerships, but they don't apply (I think) in this case.

Sect 36 defines the calculation as being the "earnings" for a year, or the period of employment,, divided by the number of weeks .

Fair enough really. Part of each dollar you earn is taken for ACC premiums. it would be a bit rich if they took the premium but didn't include it in the compensation. Note that not all allowances will be included - reimbursing allowance payments are not taxed, therefore are not compensatable.

If you're on salary , the simple way is take the total taxable income YTD form your pay sheet and divide by the numbers of weeks YTD. Then take 80% of that (That's simplistic, you lose the frst week for example, but for a long term instance like this it's fairly close)

[Ixion]

BTW, IL4 should also be entitled to a lump sum payment, which may be up to $100000 (for 80% permanent disability and greater) .

[Crasherfromwayback]

BTW, IL4 should also be entitled to a lump sum payment, which may be up to $100000 (for 80% permanent disability and greater) .

I'm with you Ixion.....when I had my accident, they were good enough to calculate my weekly compensation from the complete year before. As I'm on commission, my weekely pay packet fluctuates massively. My yearly earn included ALL bonuses etc. The average time in Job for ACC case managers is six months, so it's bloody hard to get a good one!

Thank God lump sum payouts came back in (2003 I think?)....not that we wouldn't rather be 100% healthy, but they help you to get by.

[hXc]

Well, me being a student, can't afford a lot, but I'll save my pennies and donate some, even if it's only $20. I was shocked to hear this news, I've never reall had much to do with him, but he seems like a bloody great bloke. In my thoughts and prayers mate.

P.S: This is a deep and shocking reminder of the danger of motorcycles. As fun as they are, when your number's up, it's up. Some things just can't be stopped. Just ride safe out there guys.

[Macktheknife]

Ixion, PM sent, dont want to hijack thread.

[onearmedbandit]

Guys this is NOT the thread for any abuse to be thrown around in. Leave it out.

[Mom]

Hey Sniper, have just logged on, hows the plans for putting together a fund to help out the IL family........I currently have a monthly AP set up to support KB site, happy to re-direct it for a bit......ket me know eh?

[Sniper]

Hey Sniper, have just logged on, hows the plans for putting together a fund to help out the IL family........I currently have a monthly AP set up to support KB site, happy to re-direct it for a bit......ket me know eh?

Donna (IL4's Fiance') is setting it up. Will let you know details once they are availible.

[crashe]

Hey Sniper, have just logged on, hows the plans for putting together a fund to help out the IL family........I currently have a monthly AP set up to support KB site, happy to re-direct it for a bit......ket me know eh?

Hi Mom.........

Donna is gonna look at setting a trust or something up and will get back to us all.... She is now back in the naki for work, so once she susses out her login password... she will come back with all the details...... hope that helps you out.


Gee Sniper you were quick off the mark :whistle:

[Mom]

Cheers for that

[WarlockNZ]

Count me in for a donation :)

[chanceyy]

i am happy to set up a regular amount per fortnite

i will organise it once details are posted

[98tls]

Just in case anyone has missed it...soundbeltfarm is having an auction for a rossi autobiography..proceeds to go to helping out inline....

[crashe]

I have just spoken to John on the phone. He is rapt to hear that there is a huge thread going for him to read and that there is so much support on KB for him.

He is having his operation tomorrow (Wednesday) morning at around 8amish...
He said it would be a approx 4 hours operation.

This operation is to make it possible for John to be able to sit up properly in his wheelchair etc.... they are putting in pins or plates into his spine.
This is a big operation and a huge hurdle for John to get throu.

Can someone in Christchurch please pop into Christchuch Hospital tomorrow night to see how it all went and then let us know on here. Cheers.


(((((((HUGS)))))))))) 'son' from 'Maaaaaaaaaaaaa'

[Sniper]

Can someone in Christchurch please pop into Christchuch Hospital tomorrow night to see how it all went and then let us know on here. Cheers.


(((((((HUGS)))))))))) 'son' from 'Maaaaaaaaaaaaa'

Im happy to crashe, Im got the next few days off so I'll say hi

[Grahameeboy]

Actually thats not entirely correct, almost any vehicle can be modified to accomodate a person with a disability. I have been involved with the process from time to time. Hell I even know a guy who races his modified car!
As far as ACC goes they are required under the legislation to provide certain things for the injured person, knowing what and how makes a big difference to getting things done smoothly.
Donna, let me know when you want help with ACC, I can get you all the info you need to get it done right.
Mack

True but I was talking about vehicles that John can get on and off himself and drive himself. There are just 2 vehicles than can be converted to do this.

ACC have had a few cases where they have argued...and lost and it does not do any harm to be cautious

[Macktheknife]

True but I was talking about vehicles that John can get on and off himself and drive himself. There are just 2 vehicles than can be converted to do this.

ACC have had a few cases where they have argued...and lost and it does not do any harm to be cautious


I don't know where you are getting your info from but when I worked for them (only 7 months ago) they were able to (and did) modify any vehicle to suit the persons individual needs. I have personally seen Skyline's, Transit vans, VW's, Camry's, and multiple others modified to suit.
Whatever John's needs are I am confident that between the people on here who are able to help, and ACC, he will be well looked after.

[Racey Rider]

Hi Donna.
Though I live in NP, I haven't met John yet, as I only had a race bike and couldn't get out on any of the 'road' events.
But have always been interested to read what this 'Inlinefour' chap has to say on KB.

Seen I'm in your home town is there anything us local KB'ers can do to help out here?
I'm wondering what the lawn mowing situation is at your and Johns place?
I would be happy to set up a roster of KB locals to come and mow the lawns for you each week if that would be helpful? Or I could just do them regularly myself.
Genuine offer,, I hope you won't say no just cause you don't know me. Hopefully others will vouch for me.
We're here to help in the different ways that we can.

Regards.
Racey.
(Alex - NP753 2240)

[SpeedyGirl]

Im happy to crashe, Im got the next few days off so I'll say hi

He is not up to a lot of visitors at the moment, but his Mum is down here. Had his op today and seems to have all gone really well, will post more when i can :)

[sAsLEX]

I don't know where you are getting your info from but when I worked for them (only 7 months ago) they were able to (and did) modify any vehicle to suit the persons individual needs. I have personally seen Skyline's, Transit vans, VW's, Camry's, and multiple others modified to suit.
Whatever John's needs are I am confident that between the people on here who are able to help, and ACC, he will be well looked after.

Pretty sure GB means a biggish van he could ride (that the right word?) his wheelchair through the back and into the drivers position and then drive in his wheel chair with hand controls ie transit van with a hydralic chair lift at the rear...

[Zukin]

KB Organised Fundraising Rides?

An idea I have is to organise a day, call it what you like, but something along the lines of "Inline4 KB Ride"

Each area orgarnises a ride on the same day and the same time, this then coincides around the country.
(EG Hawkes Bay, Wellington, Auckland etc all meet on the ?? November at 1.00pm)
Each rider pays $5 to ride and all proceeds go to the IL4 fund

Just an idea

[heavenly.talker]

KB Organised Fundraising Rides?

An idea I have is to organise a day, call it what you like, but something along the lines of "Inline4 KB Ride"

Each area orgarnises a ride on the same day and the same time, this then coincides around the country.
(EG Hawkes Bay, Wellington, Auckland etc all meet on the ?? November at 1.00pm)
Each rider pays $5 to ride and all proceeds go to the IL4 fund

Just an idea

Let's make it happen!

[Meekey_Mouse]

I think that is a great idea. First thing that would probably help would be to organise atleast 1 person from each area who can help people in their own area... wether it be posting flyers in bike stores or whatever. If you spread the word out side KB, aswell as in it, I think alot of bikers would want to come and help Inline.

Just my thoughts though

Jas

[nadroj]

another update on inline four

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It is so comforting to go online and read all your thoughts. John is still being kept under sedation following his op so that his body has a chance to heal - whenever they start to wake him up, he is in too much pain so they sedate him again. He is still in ICU and no word yet as to when he will get moved to the Trauma Unit or to Burwood but I will update as often as I can - God bless you all Donna

Bank account details for those that wanted them:

ASB Bank
acccount number 12-31-35 0074676-50

[nadroj]

Picked the offending bike up & returned it to Donna this morning showing minimal damage (small dent in chamber & cracked number plate). It didn't have a guilt complex at all and even fired up first kick so it's now pushed into the corner. Naughty Bike!

[andrea]

KB Organised Fundraising Rides?

An idea I have is to organise a day, call it what you like, but something along the lines of "Inline4 KB Ride"

Each area orgarnises a ride on the same day and the same time, this then coincides around the country.
(EG Hawkes Bay, Wellington, Auckland etc all meet on the ?? November at 1.00pm)
Each rider pays $5 to ride and all proceeds go to the IL4 fund

Just an idea

hmm like a charity ride sort of thing, id be in for that

[Sniper]

First post updated with bank details

[StoneChucker]

I'm in, sniper pm sent in the meanwhile

[Sniper]

I'm in, sniper pm sent in the meanwhile

Got it, cheers mate :)

For all those who wanted the details. I have updated the first post with it and it is also scattered a couple of times in the other thread. It would be great if we could keep it going to help John and Donna out.

[crashe]

Is someone still printing off this thread and the other one for John to have and to read when he is able to?


Has anyone down there in Chch been to see John recently and can give us a update. I know that Donna is flying down when she can.... and giving us a update. But what about other KBers down there?






(((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))) 'son' from 'maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa'

[Scouse]

We had a collection for John today on the Coro ride this came to $202.60 I will deposit it into the account tomorow morning

[SN4PD]

My contribution, http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=835810#post835810 :D

[Meekey_Mouse]

Sorry, im not into U2... but good on ya SN4PD, that is so totally awesome :rockon:

[Sniper]

Bump.

Dont let good deeds be a one off. Its the new year, lets make sure we let John and Donna know they are still in thought.

[inlinefour]

I dunno what to say except you fullas and fullessas are awesome! :sunny: