Speaking of Disgraceful...

[James Deuce]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3898726a11,00.html

Why do we bother?

Just do what you want folks. Go ahead, break the law. Especially you teenagers.

[T.I.E]

that pathetic. OMG. but why figure this out now im too old.
but its all wrong.

[Switch]

No one should be too young to go to jail. Hell, Hang em :dodge:

[Edbear]

Should be mandatory charge of manslaughter!

[Wasp]

Especially you teenagers.
okay but im telling em that you told me to.....

seriously though, hang the guy send a message to all teens out there

reminds me of that teen that was killed in the prison van, people dont see it but IT WAS A GOOD THING, I dont know why they didnt jump on it and say to other teens "this is what is going happen to you, oh and if you do make it to prison your gonna have one sore arse"

[James Deuce]

The guys he killed were all in the car he stole. Doesn't make it right, and it doesn't make my attitude right, but there is a poetic ring to it.

However, the woman in the RAV4 will have suffered life altering injuries for sure.

[Laava]

Probably get diversion and a whopping fine added to his other fines. That in a few years time, as they are unpaid and he'll have no way of paying them, they will be wiped in a future court appearance for similar offences. Synical? Me?:yes:

[Lou Girardin]

The guys he killed were all in the car he stole. Doesn't make it right, and it doesn't make my attitude right, but there is a poetic ring to it.

However, the woman in the RAV4 will have suffered life altering injuries for sure.


One was a hitch-hiker apparently. Obviously he never heard the joke about what you call a Maori in a Mercedes.
Tough penalty for getting into the wrong car though.

[James Deuce]

Bugger.
(10fc)

[Indiana_Jones]

GET A ROPE!

-Indy

[sunhuntin]

okay but im telling em that you told me to.....

seriously though, hang the guy send a message to all teens out there

reminds me of that teen that was killed in the prison van, people dont see it but IT WAS A GOOD THING, I dont know why they didnt jump on it and say to other teens "this is what is going happen to you, oh and if you do make it to prison your gonna have one sore arse"

i agree with you re: liam. no one knows what happened. from what i can tell from that hideous photo they gave the papers, he looked like a smart arse who likely said something to the guy who killed him. everyone knows their place with gang members [i think thats what he is?] and to basically keep eyes on the floor.

i love the fact we are letting our future slip from out fingers. when i was a kid, i was told not to do xxxx cos xxxx would happen. one was smoking, another using the word handicap. basically everything. i think they forgot to tell todays kids. *sigh* hopefully i wont be around when it all goes pear shaped.

[bell]

Don't we have juvenile detention centres in this country? Surely the magistrate/judge can recommend a custodial sentence or is it up to the prosecution to decide what range of sentences they recommend to the magistrate?

[Wasp]

he looked like a smart arse who likely said something to the guy who killed him.
yeap thats what I thought right from the start "bet he got smart to him"

[riffer]

Don't we have juvenile detention centres in this country? Surely the magistrate/judge can recommend a custodial sentence or is it up to the prosecution to decide what range of sentences they recommend to the magistrate?

Yeah, I seem to recall a few wayward mates got the six weeks at the army camp in Waiouru. This was in the late 80s, and Lower Hutt District Court was a bit tougher then I guess.

Do they still do that stuff for the young fellas? As I recall, it scared the bejeesus out of them at the time.

[Hillbilly]

They can't put him in jail! Him and his whanau like Rae are all future votes for Aunty Helen.

[Hitcher]

He may have a sister called Rae Rae, or Clamydia, and be forgiven by his folks as it was his first offence.

[yungatart]

Don't you go telling my teenager to break the law - he believes (cos thats the way we brought him up) that there are consequences to all actions, good and bad.... please don't shatter our illusions.
Karma will get the liitle toe rag..we, alas, will have to be happy with that.

[sunhuntin]

Don't you go telling my teenager to break the law - he believes (cos thats the way we brought him up) that there are consequences to all actions, good and bad.... please don't shatter our illusions.
Karma will get the liitle toe rag..we, alas, will have to be happy with that.

at least therell be one with a head on his shoulders that has something other than air inside!
unfortunatly, all his successes will be ignored by society due to all the attention being focused on others fuck-ups.

[Motu]

reminds me of that teen that was killed in the prison van, people dont see it but IT WAS A GOOD THING,

I'm having a bit of trouble understanding this case - the parents wanted to give Liam a bit of a shock to make him mend his ways...so charged him with the theft of his mother's car,get him sent to prison,mix with real crims....get a big fright.It backfired,really sad of course - but now it's somebody else's fault? Hell - oh?

[Wasp]

no it didnt backfire, if they didnt do anything he would have ended up dead anyway. this way he doesnt hurt anybody.

I meant good in a different way, like it made us teens (well not me, im not stupid enough to get into that crap) think about it

[xwhatsit]

Don't be an arse, I can hardly see how a young kid sent to prison for a relatively minor offence being killed by some psychopath is a good thing at all. For you to even suggest that pisses me off quite a lot. According to the papers at the time, the killer was a seriously warped guy, had been in trouble for all kinds of violent things. Since when have we had capital punishment for stealing your mum's car in NZ -- without a judge or trial being involved? Dickhead. I'm a teenager too, and hearing about that case made me lose even more respect for the justice system -- there's no way that stuff like that should be allowed to happen -- rather than gaining any, as you seem to be suggesting.

[Hillbilly]

Isn't this now :Offtopic: ?? The 1st post has a link to an article about a teenager getting charged with driving offences 'cos he's "too young" to go to jail after killing people in a serious crash.

What's that got to do with Liam? He was turned in by his parents, and unfortunately killed by a nutter.

[Motu]

Haven't you been on the internet before? A thread seldom stays on topic for more than one page....live with it.

[judecatmad]

No one should be too young to go to jail. Hell, Hang em :dodge:

Bring back borstal....did you guys ever have borstal in NZ? Bloody good concept.

[Hitcher]

New Zealand did indeed have borstals. Waikeria in the northern King Country was huge. It is now a prison. We also used to have an Army Cadet Corps. Poor little bastards.

[sAsLEX]

Yeah, I seem to recall a few wayward mates got the six weeks at the army camp in Waiouru. This was in the late 80s, and Lower Hutt District Court was a bit tougher then I guess.

Do they still do that stuff for the young fellas? As I recall, it scared the bejeesus out of them at the time.

Yip still do that.

They call it Limeted Service "Volunteers", it is a 6 week course held in Burhnam using the military as a vehicle to teach these kids some life skills.

WINZ sends people on the course to give people a taste of the Military and to learn some discipline etc

But it is also where some get sent between conviction and sentancing.

They, 3LFG LSV COY, run 5 courses a year which run for 6 weeks 7days a week during that time.

I post to LSV COY in Jan for one of them as Plt Cmd and will let you know how it goes.


New Zealand did indeed have borstals. Waikeria in the northern King Country was huge. It is now a prison. We also used to have an Army Cadet Corps. Poor little bastards.

Still do mate.

I was a cadet. Rose to the lofty heights of Sgt, and am now serving in the Defence Force.

[Drum]

Right thats it. I'm going to go and dampen my bus ticket right now.

[sunhuntin]

Yip still do that.

They call it Limeted Service "Volunteers", it is a 6 week course held in Burhnam using the military as a vehicle to teach these kids some life skills.

WINZ sends people on the course to give people a taste of the Military and to learn some discipline etc

But it is also where some get sent between conviction and sentancing.

They, 3LFG LSV COY, run 5 courses a year which run for 6 weeks 7days a week during that time.

I post to LSV COY in Jan for one of them as Plt Cmd and will let you know how it goes.



Still do mate.

I was a cadet. Rose to the lofty heights of Sgt, and am now serving in the Defence Force.


i wanted to go there, but got turned down cos im too heavy for my height. so fuck em... i didnt even need to go there, but wanted to.

we had some dodgy lookin young kids hanging around my work last week. one used the loo and was spotted with something up his jumper. when questioned by another staff member, it turned out to be a bottle of wine [which we dont sell]
lucky for him, there was a mufti carload of cops talkin to his mates and they grabbed him as well. thing is, they would have been about 12-17 at the oldest, so again nothing will be done. the prick also vomitted in our toilet...i think he was made to clean it up.
all 5 of them are dropkicks already, and honestly, i can see where liams death is truly a good thing. look at the pics the papers used; he looks arrogant and a smart ass who likely said something to the psycho. if i was in a van with other prisoners, my eyes would be glued to the floor.

[Squeak the Rat]

"He was getting smart" is the standard defence for monkey's arse biscuits like that.

Getting smart to some one (or more accurately them making up in their poor excuse for a brain that you're getting smart) is no excuse for killing some one regardless of how much of a toe-rag he was.

The level of my caring however does decrease proportionately as the toe-rag factor increases.

If the parents are so keen to blame some one in this situation, consider this: your son was a toe-rag. You made the decision to put him with violent criminals to scare him. Who had involvement in both factors?

[sunhuntin]

"He was getting smart" is the standard defence for monkey's arse biscuits like that.

Getting smart to some one (or more accurately them making up in their poor excuse for a brain that you're getting smart) is no excuse for killing some one regardless of how much of a toe-rag he was.

The level of my caring however does decrease proportionately as the toe-rag factor increases.

If the parents are so keen to blame some one in this situation, consider this: your son was a toe-rag. You made the decision to put him with violent criminals to scare him. Who had involvement in both factors?

if that kid was my son...i would have done the exact same thing. and i wouldnt be bitching about it now either. they took their chances, and now hes dead. sure, he shouldnt have been in the same compartment, but then, he shouldnt have needed to be taught a lesson in the first place. i wish more parents had the balls these ones do.
my brother has been a hellion since he was about 14...drugs, booze, more drugs, a lot more booze, physical fights at parties, never going to work, putting holes in his walls and doors, rolling his car [nearly killing him and his mates], having his gut pumped. etc etc. you name it, hes done it.
i honestly wish my parents had let him go down the first time he went to court, cos hed be a very different person today. im still living with the effects of what hes done [he tried to rape me when i was 9] and hate him with a vengence. he looks exactly the same as liam does. exactly the same. my parents nearly divorced cos of him, and have no money after coughing up everytime he needs something. but to them...golden boy can do no wrong. [you can see i have a boulder on my shoulder!] all that, and hes still their angel.
having lived with that for 21 years, i can safely say, liam would have gone the exact same path. and as a result, one more bit of strength is taken from parents trying to keep their kids on the straight and narrow.

hxc sounds like hes gonna come out a great kid, but as i said, all of his succeses will be ignored by society, who is focused on tomorrows little snot licker causing trouble. when was the last time you heard on the news of 3 or 4 teens doing something like voulnteer to collect trash, or scrub graffitti off walls? i dont doubt there are some out there doing just that. its like at school; i was branded a freak cos i helped in the library rather than sneaking off for a smoke. and if i recall, i didnt even get a thank you for that.

[Hitcher]

my brother has been a hellion since he was about 14...

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[jrandom]

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[rwh]

if that kid was my son...i would have done the exact same thing. and i wouldnt be bitching about it now either. they took their chances, and now hes dead. sure, he shouldnt have been in the same compartment, but then, he shouldnt have needed to be taught a lesson in the first place. i wish more parents had the balls these ones do.

WTF? Everybody needs to be taught lessons, and that is the kind that parents should be teaching. Sending them to prison is a bit harsh, but there's no way they should have expected him to finish up dead.

IMHO the sentence enforced should be the one handed down by the judge - no more, no less. And that, AFAIK, is usually to be confined. Not to be intimidated or assaulted by fellow inmates - or by guards, for that matter. And if he hadn't even been found guilty, there's no excuse for any discomfort whatsoever - he should have been in a guarded, but comfortable, car or bus.

You can't teach people respect and decency without treating them with respect and decency. Otherwise you're just teaching fear.

Richard

[Drum]

The BDOTGNZA have determined that you exquisite word usage shall be deemed to negate other deficiencies in your delivery.


There's still one in there Hitcher. The shame.

[yungatart]

There's still one in there Hitcher. The shame.

That was deliberate, an attempt to see who has skills in literacy and is also awake... you passed the test, Drum.

[Hitcher]

There's still one in there Hitcher. The shame.

Some crazed idiot has been using my login. Obviously.

[Squeak the Rat]

Nothing changes :innocent:

[Dai]

...... We also used to have an Army Cadet Corps. Poor little bastards.

My arse they are poor. Didnt they all put in complaints that whilst in this corps they were abused and were claiming COMPENSATION for the trauma of being shouted at.

[Hitcher]

My arse they are poor. Didnt they all put in complaints that whilst in this corps they were abused and were claiming COMPENSATION for the trauma of being shouted at.

Indeed there was a class action. It involved a bit more than concern about the content and tone of the RSM's utterances. Personally I would prefer to be marched around at the cadence of La Legion E'trangere, rather than that of the Cadet Corps.

[sunhuntin]

The BDOTGNZA have determined that your exquisite word usage shall be deemed to negate other deficiencies in your delivery.

in english please? :innocent:

[Shadows]

when i was a kid, i was told not to do xxxx cos xxxx would happen. one was smoking, another using the word handicap. basically everything.

Damned good thing for you that they obviously never included motorcycles in their tirades then!

[Finn]

Some crazed idiot has been using my login. Obviously.

It's been happening for some time now.

[Mr. Peanut]

yeap thats what I thought right from the start "bet he got smart to him"

He went to my school, yeah, he was a smartarse. Not a bad guy though.

[Hitcher]

It's been happening for some time now.

I'd noticed that too. The Bastard!

[sunhuntin]

Damned good thing for you that they obviously never included motorcycles in their tirades then!

would have been a bit two sided! i grew up going round the back yard sitting on the tank between dads knees [with a 30 year old, open faced, red lid that was about 10 sizes to big sitting on my head] lol.
:innocent: