cyfswatch

[riffer]

Got sent the link today (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/).

Scary stuff.

Make up your own minds.

[jrandom]

One way or the other, your link there will probably bump CYFSWATCH (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/)'s PageRank an order of magnitude during the next Google spider run.

Nice.

[riffer]

Read the top blog on cyfswatch (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/).

They claim the govt is in collusion with google to have search results for cyfswatch (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) blocked.

Personally I think its paranoid bollocks, but you never know.

[jrandom]

They claim the govt is in collusion with google to have search results for cyfswatch (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) blocked.

Nah. I reckon that it's just Google working as designed. Once the cyfswatch (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) URL gets out there and people start linking to it, cyfswatch (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) will start hopping up the search results list for 'CYFS (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/)' quicker than you can say "if only all social workers were as nice as Cathy".

[ManDownUnder]

Got sent the link today (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/).

Scary stuff.

Make up your own minds.


One way or the other, your link there will probably bump CYFSWATCH (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/)'s PageRank an order of magnitude during the next Google spider run.

Nice.


Read the top blog on cyfswatch (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/).

They claim the govt is in collusion with google to have search results for cyfswatch (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) blocked.

Personally I think its paranoid bollocks, but you never know.

Hard to believe guys. you make this cyfswatch (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) thing sound like a conspiracy. What (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) would (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) CYFS (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) themselves (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) have (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) to (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) say (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) about (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) it (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) do (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) you (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) think? (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/)

[Ixion]

Read the top blog on cyfswatch (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/).

They claim the govt is in collusion with google to have search results for cyfswatch (http://cyfswatch.blogspot.com/) blocked.

Personally I think its paranoid bollocks, but you never know.

Well, if they are, it's not working.

[ManDownUnder]

Of course if you're really keen put a link to it in your signature... it'd be 1000's of inserts - in a heartbeat!

[limbimtimwim]

Apparently cyfs have asked google to do something about it. 'It' being the internet.

:rofl:

[riffer]

ten miserable characters...

[candor]

Well I had trouble finding it initially. Read a couple of stories and that was all I could take. If they are true the CYF's staff or some are shockers on power trips. I guess some of their decisions will have subjective elements but there was one where a mum smacked not in anger doing no harm (sounded not too bright) but felt bad due I s'pose to anti smacking publicity so turned herself in. Result was psyc assessment. Finding was that she was fine. Social worker kicked her out of her house and prevented contact with her family / husband for months. When she returned it was with all these dumb restrictions. OMG:gob: No stay night, no driving kids etc Story sounded genuine 'nuff.

[Hitcher]

1. CYFS is a government department. It operates within the mandate set by the Government.
2. Staff are subject to scrutiny and review from various sources, including Parliament and the general media. As agents of Government policy they should not be individually ridiculed or lambasted for deficiencies in Government social policy or New Zealand's general blase attitude to domestic violence.
3. CYFS cannot solve New Zealand's obsession with domestic violence, abuse and neglect. It is, at best, an ambulance at the bottom of a cliff.
4. Web sites like the CYFS blog are a bit like the Snapt site -- titillation for ranting voyeurs and outraged "experts".

[Fatjim]

ten miserable characters...
22 actually.

[bistard]

Hitcher,you have such a lovely way with words & its all truth!!

[Ixion]

1,,
2. Staff are subject to scrutiny and review from various sources, including Parliament and the general media. ,,

I'm not so sure about that bit. Inevitably, given the personal nature of its activities, they are not readily amenable to media scrutiny. It is only when something goes horrendously wrong in a very public way that 'public good' is sufficent to outweigh the policy of confidentiality (which some could re-express as secrecy). And very few government departments are really subject to the scrutiny of Parliament. Any invigilatory activities of Parliament went the way of the dodo at least 100 years ago.

One objection raised by the contributors to the site is the lack of any effective appeal mechanism. Purportedly those that apparently exist, such as the Commissioner for Children, do not have resources to investigate indidual cases, unless they are indicative of systemic issues.

That seems unsatisfactory. Given the profound effect of the decisions of the department on people's lives there should be rigorous and accessible appeal processes. Certainly the degree of discretionary power allowed to officials appears very great indeed (far more than that enjoyed by the police) , and the checks and balances that one might expect to see are not markedly visible. Moreover, in such matters, time is often of importance. Justice delayed may well be justice denied, and appeal processes that drag on for years do not commend themselves.

Whether such a forum is likely to achieve that objective is another matter.

I should add that I have never had any dealings whatsoever with the department, nor do I know anyone who has, so any coment I make must necessarily be based on report and general principle. But neither the department nor the Minister seem to have refuted the question of inadequacy in the appeal process.

[MisterD]

1. CYFS is a government department. It operates within the mandate set by the Government.
2. Staff are subject to scrutiny and review from various sources, including Parliament and the general media. As agents of Government policy they should not be individually ridiculed or lambasted for deficiencies in Government social policy or New Zealand's general blase attitude to domestic violence.
3. CYFS cannot solve New Zealand's obsession with domestic violence, abuse and neglect. It is, at best, an ambulance at the bottom of a cliff.
4. Web sites like the CYFS blog are a bit like the Snapt site -- titillation for ranting voyeurs and outraged "experts".

Compare and contrast....just like the Plod CYFS have a lot of power that they can wield without much in the way of checks and controls...stories of Cops and their abuse of power are thick on the ground on this site.

[kro]

Large monetary denominations say that whole thing was started by unfit parents, who hated being told they were unfit.

I have been trying to get a niece away from her psychotic mother, and CYFS have been completely indifferent to the whole thing, despite damning psychologists reports on the child, and very bad police records on the mother, and a judge who won't give the child back to her mom fulltime, as he is not convinced she's fit to be a mum.

If CYFS step in, it's usually because something freaking major has happened, so I am highly dubious about the validity of the people who say CYFS is hard line, because I know from experience that there needs to be the family version of a nuclear explosion before they'll even get involved.

[Hitcher]

Government scrutiny? Select Committees are the highest Court in the land. If a Select Committee gets what it may think is a whiff of scandal, it can subpoena anybody and demand they appear before it. Parliamentary questions? Most are a bit naff or patsy, but they provide opposition parties with a good basis to have a crack at Government policy and at the activities of public servants.

And as for comparisons with the Police, everybody has or has heard of an anti-Police story involving abuse of powers, etc. There's a big difference between urban legends and real issues of substance. The media, generally, knows the difference between the two.

[SPman]

CYFS - can be a bit like the IRD, in their effect on a family....and we all know how caring they used to be!

Knowing a couple of CYFS social workers, one of them, I wouldn't let her near a family in trouble with a 40 foot barge pole - I'm just amazed she hasn't appeared on the site yet....the other one is the opposite - absolutely brilliant!
Like all organisations - it's the minority who fuck up that get all the publicity and seem to set the public perceptions, while no one much hears about all the success stories.....

[Ixion]

Actually a Royal Commission is the highest court in the land .

[Finn]

That's enough spin from you Hitcher. CYFS deserves everything they get and more, just like your employer.

[Hitcher]

That's enough spin from you Hitcher. CYFS deserves everything they get and more, just like your employer.

Ex-employer. I am officially unemployed. Until Monday.

[Laava]

Personal experience time! My partners sister went to a med centre when she miscarried at 3-4 mnths. She also took the 18 mnth old who appeared to have a sore arm. The Dr sent her to Starship to have an X-ray, they did both arms and fuck me 2x broken arms. Not clear wether fractures or breaks cos of age and weither done at same time but unfortunately some matronly, rancid old harridan was prowling around clutching a folder looking to make herself look important! So she stuck her fuckin beak in, and that was it. 'Child abuse' she accused and put a guard on the girl AND her older sister and that was it, prisoners of the system. The police were no better, they only made things worse and it was 9-12 weeks before they came home. Child, Youth and Family support. They forgot about the family in this case. The little one suffers from LADD syndrome apparently which has weak forearm bones as a symptom. When Starship found that out they rang asking for the kid to come back for further examination! They got told in no uncertain terms! My partner was very supportive during this time and ranks it as THE worst experience of her life. Worse than being widowed! So I understand to a limited degree how the CYFSwatch people feel. End of sermon, pass the plate.

[candor]

! So I understand to a limited degree how the CYFSwatch people feel. End of sermon, pass the plate.

Interesting re bone disease - I hope an apology for the misdiagnosis was made

No kids, but I got a taste of this with some finger pointing over my dog lately - it is very upsetting, striking to the heart of you and this must be mild in comparison. My car had broken down with my dog in it. Had to wait all of about 45 mins for AA. Did so by the car (outside smoking as I only do if stressed - outside so he not exposed) - dog in car happily with windows wound down on cool night. Well... these a**holes kept strutting past - back and forth and muttering at first "poor dog" etc, then every 5- ten minutes they walked by again getting more pointed angry and abusive - the last i heard before we got towed (dog in car on bsack of tow truck) I think was that they were off to call the SPCA as we were cruel to have the dog left in the car for oooh all of half an hour on a cool night! Makes you sick how ignorant and interfering dumb people can be. I bet they never owned a dog and I bet some of those cyps lot never had kids either.

Some on that website do show themselves to be skilled emotional abusers but then maybe they have cause.

[Guitana]

Yeah well like any Government organisation it's badly run staffed with incompetents and the ones who do a really good job get passed over for promotion because they don't kiss enough arse!!! I've got freinds who open their home to mistreated children that have been removed from the parents!!! Beleive me there are some fucken sad cases come through their door ,they don't know what a normal life is!! But those fucken clowns that place them in the home don't give a fuck!! My freinds were going on holiday overseas this had been arranged over a year ago,and they had a young girl in their care,she was supposed to be placed into another home for three weeks while they were away.Cfys had been notified well in advance and even two weeks before they were due to leave.They forgot didnt they!! how do you forget a little girl??? The upshot was they had to ring around people they new to look after the girl as Cyfs could'nt do any thing till monday ,this is friday afternoon and no placement had been organised!!! Imagine how the girl felt she's in a strange home coz her own fucked up family cant cope with life and shes being bounced from home to home no wonder these kids end up fucked up!!!

[Lias]

Ex-employer. I am officially unemployed. Until Monday.

Ooer.. You no longer stop the asians sneaking dried tiger cock into the country then? :-)

[V4ME]

For what it's worth - And no I do not work for them - I have only good things to say for the CYFS case worker who worked with my family. She was efficient and helpful and at no time did we ever feel threatened.
But thats just us and one case so .....

[MisterD]

Actually a Royal Commission is the highest court in the land .

Wouldn't the highest court in the land be up on the central plateau somewhere, or is there an Arthur's Pass magistrates court?

[Ixion]

Have you ever considered any of the conclusions of a Royal Commission. No doubt what so ever that they're high . High as a kite, and whatever it is must be good stuff.

(Can't be long before this thread reach beer. Or tits. )

[Laava]

Interesting re bone disease - I hope an apology for the misdiagnosis was made

You're kidding! No apology ever. Parents didn't want to hear from the homewreckers anyhow. Makes me angry and they're not even my kids.:angry:

[Finn]

(Can't be long before this thread reach beer. Or tits. )

How about both?

[Hitcher]

I wouldn't want to be the one opening that Heineken...

[Lias]

I wouldn't want to be the one opening that Heineken...

I would.. wif me teeth!

[avgas]

If we had real people in NZ, not whining bitches we wouldnt need any bullshit govt dept.
Respect needs to be taught from birth, families need to be highest priorities and life should be about providing for others.
Its not a utopia, it fucken existing before everything got complicated with bullshit.
We need a fucken war to kill a few people off so everyone respects being alive and having a family.
Gladiator fights for all the bludgers in NZ.

[candor]

Saw a people mover with personalised numberplate cyp5... today. That social worker may be regreting being so loud and proud. Family - benefit - cyf, its a self fulfilling triad. My late gran said in her day it wsa standard to courrt up to 10 years in which time the bloke saved to get a roof over the newlyweds heads - if he made the grade still after 10 years of closescrutiny by all & sundry.

[Hitcher]

Saw a people mover with personalised numberplate cyp5...

Are you certain it was a personalised plate and not just a "normal" one? Reason I ask is that the plate "CLA55" is a normal, not a personalised...