A question for all KB members

[Kendog]

Recent attempts by the ladies to publicly organise a girl only ride has attracted criticism from some male members.

This got me thinking. Is organising a girl only ride in open forums going against the spirit of KB?
Or should they arrange these rides in secret, or go somewhere else to organise them?

What do you think?

[Mrs Busa Pete]

First off i will say i don't ride I'm to chicken. But yes they should be allowed to organize girl only rides when you consider how many rides that go up saying 250 riders only. To me there is not much difference

[elle-f]

If there wasnt a section for biker angels or if there wasnt free organization in here i would probably have said no - but there is and its not against the rules. If the rules said we werent allowed to do it i would abide by those because i would have signed up knowing that.

[NighthawkNZ]

I don't care either way... if you want a girls only ride, however as long as if you don't kick up a stink saying equal rights if some one says "Guys only ride" like female do every where else....

ie; golf clubs, men only clubs, and men only gyms... which noow have been basically forced to allow female....blah blah but you are allowed your women only gyms and women only clubs still... :scratch: alot of it I don't care about as I am not involved in any of them but still...

oh and don't take what I said the wrong way... though I know most probably will :lol:

[Holy Roller]

The whole idea is to encourage people into riding is what I thought. Mrs Busa pete has spoken well, good on ya.

[merv]

This surely is a place where everyone can organise what they want so go for it girls.

The dirt rides we've organised on here haven't attracted criticism that they are not road bike friendly and nor would I expect them to do and that's not a lot different in principle.

This forum should be free of rules in my view - if you want rules go join Ulyssess or some other bike club.

[Kflasher]

What’s the issue here am I missing something? Look who is the main instigator of the ATNR is.

[Deviant Esq]

Girls wouldn't be happy at all if the guys of KB planned a ride that was strictly "Men only," so if the shoe's on the other foot, exactly the same should apply. If Men can't exclude Women, Women shouldn't exclude Men. I was going to vote "I don't mind either way," because I don't really, but really girls, do you mind if you have one or two nice boys attending? Are we really that bad?

The number of Men's only clubs remaining in NZ: Two, last I heard. The rest have been made to allow female members. The number of Women's only clubs in NZ: Over 2500. Makes you think, doesn't it? I mean, it's not like Men are going to get up in arms and demand to be allowed to join some Womens clubs, but hell, if you're allowed a Female only club, you should be allowed a Male only club without being accused of sexism.

[apteryx_haasti]

I've voted yes, (although I don't mind some guys coming along - I think there were some fellows tagging along by the end of the last ride). However, to to be told that we can't do it because it's not "in the spirit of KB" is not on. I have not been riding long and it can be intimidating being in a big group. The last girlie ride was great - no pressure, ride how you like.

Yes, that's how it should be in a mixed group - but let's be honest, it's not always.

There's other groups that organise rides that I won't go on because I don't fit in the group (e.g. dirt bike, adventure ride...) but I don't get my panties in a twist about it.

I think a very big deal is being made about some chicks who like bikes trying to have a good time. How about letting us do it?





PS - deviant if the guys want to make a boys only ride, I don't have a problem with that either.

[Duke girl]

If girls can ride 2 wheels there Y cant the organise a ride. U might b surprise in how well they do it.

[Crisis management]

You can do anything you want, ride with who you want, where you want. KB is a forum for sharing information not a club with rules.

Tell any nosey bastards to sod off and do whatever you wish......politely?

[idleidolidyll]

The spirit of KB?
someone give me a brief description of what that actually is please.

What I see is a diverse collection of people from across NZ society with just one thing in common: motorcycles.
Apart from that we are as different as any other group; we like, love, hate, feel disgust, laugh, cry, are outraged, feel sympathy etc based completely on our own personal cultures and quite often we just don't fit in with others here.

Personally I don't much enjoy riding in large groups. I like a group of 3-6 bikers best, all of whom I've ridden with before and who I can trust not to make a sudden racing move to pass me on the roads.

I see no 'spirit' that says everyone should be invited on every ride or that everyone should be included.

If a cruiser group (Hogs etc) invited me on a ride I know I'd not fit in. I'd be bored and frustrated on the road and have little in common bike wise when we stopped. Likewise on the kind of ride I like, they might feel uncomfortable etc. There's no real difference between that and girls choosing to be more comfortable and riding with other girls. Male and female psyches are fundamentally different after all.

Hell, if the gals feel more comfortable riding with other gals then good for them. You go for it girls and ignore those who hassle you for it.

[bobsmith]

I voted, don't care either way, but I share the concerns of deviant. The greater issue I see here is that while the society today is demanding "equality and indiscrimination" from men on how they treat women in reality it demands reverence and worshiping from men and demands no such "equality and indiscrimination" from women. Of course us men have only ourselves to blame because it's always our fault but one day it's just going to get out of hand if it isn't already.

For example, the Warehouse parking in Palmy had "Mothers and children" parking out the front of the shop until a responsible member of the community complained and now it's called "parents and children" In the end, it got fixed, but the fact that it remained like that for several months is at the very least sexiest.

Anyway, am I ranting?

[Finn]

Isn't there one already every Thursday in South Auckland?

[Cajun]

I believe some woman only rides are good.

Alot of females don't like riding with large groups of males, due to fact when alot of males get in to groups, there iq sorta goes down to amount of males in the group.

[James Deuce]

Oh, FFS talk about precious.

1. Fact - organise a men's only ride - get your arse kicked from here to Timbuktu by CSL.

2. Fact - no one said girls weren't allowed to organise rides that were girls only.

3. Fact - It's not all about YOU!

[ceebie13]

I reckon this is one of those "we'll have to agree to disagree" debates.
Me? I'm in the "yes" camp. Who are we to say they can't? If anyone is that desperate to join in with les girls, I'm sure you could "just happen to be passing" and they wouldn't mind at all. But I think this whole topic is getting close to being blown out of all proportion... if not already PD.

Meantime, I'm going to organise a ride for non-bikers - only those without a bike can come!

[Juud]

I think there are still plenty of women who feel intimidated by the presence of men, that's probably why there are so many women-only clubs (anywhere in the world).
I doubt whether that has anything to do with girls-only rides, it always sounds like good fun. :Punk: (personally I don't like group rides though)

So why not a men-only ride, were there any problems organising it before?:scratch:

[justsomeguy]

Recent attempts by the ladies to publicly organise a girl only ride has attracted criticism from some male members.

This got me thinking. Is organising a girl only ride in open forums going against the spirit ok KB?
Or should they arrange these rides in secret, or go somewhere else to organise them?

What do you think?

KiwiBiker is an internet forum for the public.
KiwiBiker is an internet forum for the public.
KiwiBiker is an internet forum for the public.

It is not an arm of the government with legal powers.
It is not a criminal gang with dangerous and or physically harmful tendencies.
It is not a mindless cult.
It is not a formal club with a strict and enforced code of conduct holier than God or more devilish than Satan.

Try and get this into your head.

So what does it really matter what people think?

Are you really concerned what people think or is this another one of those “I wanna pee standing up too” rants?

The spirit of KB?? We used to have one - now it's gotten all touchy, feely, politically correct and frankly rather stupid. Only when there's some real trouble do we sometimes see it surface, then it's back to the usual.

[justsomeguy]

Oh, FFS

3. Fact - It's not all about YOU!

There, someone more intelligent has paraphrased with such precision.

:done: Jim.

[James Deuce]

Men-only clubs are illegal in NZ. There is an Act of Parliament that prevents discrimination on the basis of gender and race.

However it doesn't apply to women in practice.

Yes Juud, I tried to organise a blokes ride in response to a women's only ride and the thread got removed. By whom I have no idea because no one would own up to it, but CSL and I got into a robust debate that demonstrated fairly overtly that you aren't allowed to even mock the female hegemony.

[Robbo]

Absolutely. Just Do It.

Go Girls

[desmo dave]

i cant see a problem with them doing what ever they like. good on them. there is probaby a few guys out there that would enjoy the break.

[R6_kid]

I once posted a ride for 'younger' members and that got a whole lot of peoples knickers in a twist. It's public forum, if you are going to get in a shitty about someone organising something that you are prefered not to be at then get some friends, maybe you can go riding with them.

If someone wants to meet up with people of a certain lifestyle/sex/race/nationality then its up to them...

[Juud]

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Yes Juud, I tried to organise a blokes ride in response to a women's only ride and the thread got removed.
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:gob: I'm gob smacked to hear(read) that. I really don't see what the problem is.

[justsomeguy]

Men-only clubs are illegal in NZ. There is an Act of Parliament that prevents discrimination on the basis of gender and race.



However it doesn't apply to women in practice.


Yes Juud, I tried to organise a blokes ride in response to a women's only ride and the thread got removed. By whom I have no idea because no one would own up to it, but CSL and I got into a robust debate that demonstrated fairly overtly that you aren't allowed to even mock the female hegemony.


Cos you're a dirty stinky male, with sex on your mind and an immature boyish brain. Whereas they are innocent, lovely, angelic ....... oh hold on a minute :sick: .... :puke:

You saying there's more to the argument? You sure?

[Joni]

Guys a question, your girlie said in a high pitched voice "Oooh me and the girls are going shopping for make-up and then we going to have some coffee... gigggle giggle *ahem I think thats how girls do it lol* - would you want to go? No its a girl thing and its kinda understood...

A bit like when guys want to drink beer and, watch rugby and burp... its guy time, I dont want to be there...

So why get all huffy about a ride?....

I dont get it... I myself enjoy riding with guys... in fact there was a time I was the only woman rider I knew... but hey who cares...

My point is - Do what you want, that has always been my motto for life...

[scracha]

What do you think?

I think it's a pretty stupid question. For one, we can't police who decides who can come on a ride. People organise sportsbike only rides, cruiser only rides, dirtbike rides, experienced riders only rides, newbie riders, 250 riders, Suzuki owners & couples rides so why the hell would anyone make a fuss about just havin lassies on a ride?

I should imagine they'll have a jolly good time without all the testosterone driven bullshit.

[imdying]

I can't believe anyone would be retarded enough to complain... and even if they did, who cares what they have to say? Just do it... what are they gonna do? Call the human rights commission and complain :rofl: If the complain on here... put them on the ignore list :yes:

[ceebie13]

... I myself enjoy riding with guys...

(cough)...too much info there, mate! But glad to hear it.:msn-wink:

[magicfairy]

I notice when I go riding that there are VERY FEW women riding bikes, in proportion to the number of men. You notice that in various cafes, top of the Takas, using bike parks round town, organised rides.
We are still a minority.
So if girls only rides help address the imabalance, and get more women out on bikes gaining confidence, surely that is a good thing for both sexes.

[scumdog]

I fink dey shude be aloud to organize dere oen rides cos den dey don't hold up a blokes on da rode wif dere slo ridding and also wen dey stop for a piss an taek 20 mins to undoo dere pants and have dere piss an doo dere pants up agen insted ov just dooing it standen up kwik lyke insted of holdding da rest of da groop up and alsoe den de blokes dont get wurread watchin de wimmin teettering al over da playce wen dey stop an dere liddle legs cant reech de gownd..

Glad too have helppd

[NighthawkNZ]

I fink dey shude be aloud to organize dere oen rides cos den dey don't hold up a blokes on da rode wif dere slo ridding and also wen dey stop for a piss an taek 20 mins to undoo dere pants and have dere piss an doo dere pants up agen insted ov just dooing it standen up kwik lyke insted of holdding da rest of da groop up and alsoe den de blokes dont get wurread watchin de wimmin teettering al over da playce wen dey stop an dere liddle legs cant reech de gownd..

Glad too have helppd

:rofl: :lol:


fanx for da help

[86GSXR]

Of course the girls should be allowed to organise their own rides. I know several great ladies who ride, and I'd say the primary reason they wish to occassionally ride girls only is simply that there isn't the same pressure to keep up. I mean, lets face it guys, we often have much more powerful bikes, like to ride a little faster, and more often than not are a lot more experienced on bikes.

The ladies I ride with usually say that they hate being the one to hold up the ride, and while it's great to have them along, it's also nice to be able to enjoy the pure riding without worrying whether they've fallen off, broken down, or got lost simply because they quite literally can't keep up.

And it's not as if the girls always ride on their own. Let them build up their confidence and experience, which can only improve the quality of the mixed riding.

[Paul in NZ]

I don't care.... But - this is why Vicki and I usually slip off on our own - she likes riding with a bloke and I like riding with her and since we ditched the intercom we don't argue much at all...

[MyGSXF]

I'm with imdying & Joni.. :yes:

Girls.. just DO IT!!!! :Punk: there will ALWAYS be someone who won't like it.. :whocares: IGNORE them!!!!!!!!! they ain't worth it!!

[justsomeguy]

I notice when I go riding that there are VERY FEW women riding bikes, in proportion to the number of men. You notice that in various cafes, top of the Takas, using bike parks round town, organised rides.
We are still a minority.
So if girls only rides help address the imabalance, and get more women out on bikes gaining confidence, surely that is a good thing for both sexes.

That's cos being a petrol head is a more male "type" hobby.

You don't see that many guys playing with dolls and buying makeup either but their numbers are increasing.

[Deviant Esq]

PS - deviant if the guys want to make a boys only ride, I don't have a problem with that either.

I very much doubt any member of KB would try to arrange a boys only ride, for a couple of reasons: 1. A lot of rides that happen only involve guys anyway for whatever reason (a major one being not as many of the fairer sex on two wheels), 2. Most guys just love seeing girls on bikes, think it's great, think more girls should do it, and definitely wouldn't turn away a girl wanting to come on a ride, and 3. See below.
Fact - organise a men's only ride - get your arse kicked from here to Timbuktu by CSL.

And, just for the record, if there is one, I wasn't, and won't in future be one of the complainers if someone does try to arrange a gender specific ride. I've got no problems with only girls going for a ride, there are good points going for it, absence of men being the primary one! But since the thread asked for a debate, I thought I'd throw up what another point of view could be.

Let's face it, sexism / gender discrimination is always a testy issue. You have to be pretty open minded about it to discuss it openly without it becoming an emotion raged slanging match.

[gixermike]

If the girls want to organise girl only rides then thats fine with me..just do it...enjoy it and the lack of bullshit...

If guys want to organise a specifically guys ride then do that too if thats what you want, but I'm not sure I'd be that interested about going on it..I suspect it may just turn into a pissing contest if its advertised as men only...and I think thats probably why the girls want to ride on their own sometimes anyway.

Now I think a proper lads night out would be more fun....oh, and yes..the girls that like girls are more than welcome too..see, nicely inclusive

[ManDownUnder]

Recent attempts by the ladies to publicly organise a girl only ride has attracted criticism from some male members.

This got me thinking. Is organising a girl only ride in open forums going against the spirit ok KB?
Or should they arrange these rides in secret, or go somewhere else to organise them?

What do you think?

If it's a big deal to you, organise a guys only ride - do guy things... strip bar, have a beer and piss against strainer posts on the roadside.

I mean... is it actually a big deal?

[Toaster]

I say go for it and organise girls only stuff! Have fun, bond, be free! (I must be having a good morning...) :)

[Joni]

.. just DO IT!!!! Yup...If you wanna ride with girls only, do it..... if you wanna ride with guys only, do it....

Who gives a toss?

I started riding to be free... be out there, wind on my body... Im not going to let anyone tell me who I can and cant ride with...

[idleidolidyll]

1. Post a girls ride on the forum stating the region.

2. Ask all interested to pm the 'leader' or organiser

3. Check their ID and make sure they ARE gals.

4. pm back the details of the ride.

5. If any blokes turn up, work out who they are (i'm sure you'll be able to figure that out)

6. Ignore the men/boys in drag in the future

Tis a pity you may have to do this but I for one would be pissed off if some guys crashed a gals party/ride my wife was involved in. She doesn't want or need the attention, testosterone, distraction, annoyance.

Good on yer all just for riding

[justsomeguy]

Of course the girls should be allowed to organise their own rides. I know several great ladies who ride, and I'd say the primary reason they wish to occassionally ride girls only is simply that there isn't the same pressure to keep up. I mean, lets face it guys, we often have much more powerful bikes, like to ride a little faster, and more often than not are a lot more experienced on bikes.

The ladies I ride with usually say that they hate being the one to hold up the ride, and while it's great to have them along, it's also nice to be able to enjoy the pure riding without worrying whether they've fallen off, broken down, or got lost simply because they quite literally can't keep up.

And it's not as if the girls always ride on their own. Let them build up their confidence and experience, which can only improve the quality of the mixed riding.

Just because they're a girl - doesn't mean they cant ride.

Many women can ride rather well. - If they want to learn to be good riders they learn pretty fast - cue QKCHK, Keystone19, RossiGal, Mrs. NZKALT6 (sorry for the spelling), etc......

[Hans]

This surely is a place where everyone can organise what they want so go for it girls.

The dirt rides we've organised on here haven't attracted criticism that they are not road bike friendly and nor would I expect them to do and that's not a lot different in principle.

This forum should be free of rules in my view - if you want rules go join Ulyssess or some other bike club.

I wholeheartedly agree. Organize what you like girls, just make sure The Dover doesn't turn up in drag.

[SpankMe]

Bloody stupid poll. Of course they can organise their own rides. Thats the whole fucking point of the site. Any group of any description can organise any biker event they want.

Sprirt of KB, bollocks!

[Colapop]

Girls have their own way of thinking and riding so it's a good thing. They can talk about what works for them and communicate in that weird way that they do when boys aren't around... so all power to them...

The only boys that complain are slower than girls anyway

[avgas]

girl only rides is a good idea - but they have to be a little realistic in the fact that some guys will turn up.
I would love to take 'V' on the back with you girls, so she gets to see the chick side of riding. Otherwise when is she going to experience it - at the mall?

[idleidolidyll]

.........and communicate in that weird way that they do when boys aren't around...

rotflmfao!
please explain, i'm intrigued

[ManDownUnder]

Tis a pity you may have to do this but I for one would be pissed off if some guys crashed a gals party/ride my wife was involved in. She doesn't want or need the attention, testosterone, distraction, annoyance.

Shit - rang out of bling - have to spread it around and all that. But yes - same here.

It comes down to intent. If the presence of guys (in this case) would stuff up the overall goal of the ride then have no problem with it. Some of the rides organised for the women are probably to ride the group of hormone crased guys that have an overwhelming and consistant desired to impress the ladies... through riding like a jerk, talking shit and hitting on everything with boobs.

I'm going out on a limb here but I think that kind of stuff would make the ride and gatherings a little less enjoyable if you were trying to just enjoy the ride on a nice day.

[Lissa]

I love riding with guys… When I organised the Wairarapa ride (chicks and dicks) a couple of weeks ago, we had about 30 bikes… out of those only about 5 were female riders. But I loved that ride, and loved meeting a lot of new people. Without Sels1 helping me with that one, we would have ended up god knows where…. doing god knows what. (hmm sounds like fun!)

But I also don’t see the prob with organising a chick only ride occasionally. I bet some organised rides that happen, no girls show up, due to the fact there aren’t as many girls as guys. But chick rides arent exclusively girls anyway and guys tend to show up… which is always welcomed. But its also nice to actually outnumber the men…. empowers us to give the ones that are there even more shit.

I don’t want this to turn into a bitch slapping session… so basically what spanker said.

I really enjoy organising rides … and really want to organise more in the future, esp in the Wairarapa, but I don’t want to have to bake muffins to tempt the guys to come along to them.. because they feel they arent wanted. Because a) I don’t really like baking and b) I am not that great at it.

[Squeak the Rat]

My answer is yes, they should.

And guys should be able to organise guys only rides, and yes we would cop shit about it and be called sexist but we're used to double standards.

But I'm surprised Lias hasn't proposed whitey's only rides........

And next week is grumpy old bung-head only rides and it looks like I'll be alone... actually on second thoughts :lol:

[idleidolidyll]

It isn't just about the actual riding:
The styles that men and women use to communicate have been described as "debate vs. relate", "report vs. rapport, or "competitive vs. cooperative". Men often seek straightforward solutions to problems and useful advice whereas women tend to try and establish intimacy by discussing problems and showing concern and empathy in order to reinforce relationships.
Jennifer Coates, in her book Women, Men and Language (New York: Longman Inc., 1986) studied men-only and women-only discussion groups and found that when women talk to each other they reveal a lot about their private lives. They also stick to one topic for a long time, let all speakers finish their sentences and try to have everyone participate. Men, on the other hand, rarely talked about their personal relationships and feelings but "competed to prove themselves better informed about current affairs, travel, sport, etc.". The topics changed often and the men tried to "over time, establish a reasonably stable hierarchy, with some men dominating conversation and others talking very little".


Someone once suggested that men and women are actually different species living in a symbiotic relationship. Sometimes I'm inclined to agree.

[justsomeguy]

I love riding with guys… When I organised the Wairarapa ride (chicks and dicks) a couple of weeks ago.

Ermmm.... shouldn't it be cunts and dicks? Or chicks and guys?

[Lissa]

Ermmm.... shouldn't it be cunts and dicks? Or chicks and guys?
No... because that doesnt rhyme

[justsomeguy]

No... because that doesnt rhyme

Hahaha,

Now that's not very politically correct though is it??:dodge:

I find it offensive (p/t)

Hitcher please infract her.

[Trudes]

KiwiBiker is an internet forum for the public.
KiwiBiker is an internet forum for the public.
KiwiBiker is an internet forum for the public.

It is not an arm of the government with legal powers.
It is not a criminal gang with dangerous and or physically harmful tendencies.
It is not a mindless cult.
It is not a formal club with a strict and enforced code of conduct holier than God or more devilish than Satan.

Try and get this into your head.

So what does it really matter what people think?

Are you really concerned what people think or is this another one of those “I wanna pee standing up too” rants?

The spirit of KB?? We used to have one - now it's gotten all touchy, feely, politically correct and frankly rather stupid. Only when there's some real trouble do we sometimes see it surface, then it's back to the usual.

For those who didn't catch the reason this thread and poll was started http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=44165 the last couple of pages should help with clarification.




But I also don’t see the prob with organising a chick only ride occasionally. I bet some organised rides that happen, no girls show up, due to the fact there aren’t as many girls as guys. But chick rides arent exclusively girls anyway and guys tend to show up… which is always welcomed. But its also nice to actually outnumber the men…. empowers us to give the ones that are there even more shit.


Exactly, believe me, I enjoy riding with the guys, but it's nice to have a ride with the gals in mind, usually turns into a gossip session, which is great!

For the record, I don't have a problem with the guys having a guy only ride, gives me a chance to do something that doesn't interest him, or gather my girlie mates together and go for a ride or something. Also I've run out of bling for the day, so yeah!:rockon:

[ceebie13]

Bloody stupid poll. Of course they can organise their own rides. Thats the whole fucking point of the site. Any group of any description can organise any biker event they want.

Sprirt of KB, bollocks!

Stop beating about the bush, Spank. Why don't you say what you really mean? :dodge:

[yungatart]

Where is the option for who cares?????
Ride with whomever you want - sheesh, you can actually organise a solo ride (you know, just you on your own).
I don't care what happens, or who rides with who, surely it is about the ride!!

[bert_is_evil]

Of course! The "girls rides" were never girls only, they were/are girl oriented

[Paul in NZ]

Of course! The "girls rides" were never girls only, they were/are girl oriented

Rubbish - all rides are girl oriented... 'Hey theres a girl' VVVAAARRROOOMMMMMM Hi Honey wink wink

[Trudes]

Bloody stupid poll. Of course they can organise their own rides. Thats the whole fucking point of the site. Any group of any description can organise any biker event they want.

Sprirt of KB, bollocks!

Well God has spoken, so looks like we can organise away girls. :sunny:
Who wants to join me on a "Lynch Mob Ride" in June?

[justsomeguy]

For those who didn't catch the reason this thread and poll was started http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=44165 the last couple of pages should help with clarification.


I see what you mean. A lot of time was wasted with rot in that thread.

This is a free country do what you want. Private parties are private parties - anyone not invited shouldn't attend.

Usually most people know by hanging around here long enough the type of ride it's going to be based on who all post their intention of turning up, hence we have not had to be blatant on who we want on the ride.

Every, yes every ride I've organised has been a public road race, most know of this, the ones who like this sort of riding leave happy, those than don't like it cruise at the back or don't turn up next time.

Now with so many new people here it is difficult to keep track of things, so post exactly what you wish for - maybe not at first, but soon you will have exactly the kind of riding buddies you want.

Kind regards,
JSG

[u4ea]

Where is the option for who cares?????
Ride with whomever you want - sheesh, you can actually organise a solo ride (you know, just you on your own).
I don't care what happens, or who rides with who, surely it is about the ride!!



THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM..theres no club fees...no committee votes as such..
So why the concern for negative comments??BLOCK THEM...PRESS A KEY.The ones throwing the banter are the ones who wont ride in your organised ride anyway!!!I appreciate a male on my rides as if something should go wrong it will be a man who I ask for help first!!they are more mechanically minded and have the stregnth to lift bikes up onto trailors when needed!!!Not to mention they DO have a place on this planet....
All the male riders I know encourage and are terrific guys to ride with..long before I came across kb..and the guys I have met on kb I have ridden with them and they appreciate my riding level and we all just get on and RIDE!!!

[Lissa]

Well God has spoken, so looks like we can organise away girls. :sunny:
Who wants to join me on a "Lynch Mob Ride" in June?

Oh cool.. I'm in!! I'll bring the rope. I have someone in mind ;)


Hahaha,

Now that's not very politically correct though is it??

I find it offensive (p/t)

Hitcher please infract her.Bring it ON!! :D

[Ixion]

Usually a "ride" is a social gathering to one degree or another. In general social activities are most successful when those involved have common values and enjoy common activities.

Women enjoy socialising with other women (of course, they also enjoy socialising with men. But sometimes they like to get together and do girly type stuff). Invariably utterly boring to guys.

So why shouldn't they?

And likewise, if some guys want to organise a guy-centric ride (in reality a lot are anyway), which focuses on guy type activities - strippers, rugby,noisey dirty guy type stuff, then likewise why shouldn't they.

And if some of the old fart members want to organise a ride where the social aspect centres around old fart activity ? Why not.

And so on

The only question that really needs to be asked is "When a ride's social aspect is oriented to a specific group, should there be rigid exclusionary measures to prevent those not contained within that group from attending".

I would have some concerns if the answer to that were "Yes". If Maurice (technically male) wished to tag along on a chics' ride (because he REALLY wants to attend the cosmetic demonstration at the end of the ride) he should be able to. Likewise if the guys organise a ride to the rugby match, and a rugby mad chic wants to go along, then let it be so. In general it will not be an issue. The nature of the ride will discourage those who are not its target demographic.

Only priviso should be that "outsiders" should not be permitted to complain about the activity not suiting them.

Even racially oriented rides would be perfectly acceptable - if some Indian members (for instance) organised a ride to attend the opening of an Indian temple, where is the harm in that.

EDIT: What the question really indicates is that there is a need for thsoe organising public rides to be more specific or detailed about the purpose of the ride: Whether that be a road race; a ride to X to have coffee and girly gossip; a ride to Y and crusty trainspotter arguments totally boring to anyone under 60. Etc

[Disco Dan]

flipping eck you lot... :nono:

If someone wants to organise a ride and increase the amount of categorys and/or labels used then whats the problem?

Every ride on this site is based on "motorcycles" being common ground, so some people wish to increase the amount of commonalites within this group? So what!

Gee next someone will call me discriminatory for only inviting 'new riders' and 'kb mentors' to the AWNMR.

Did someone forget to pinch one out this morning and now a bit 'ratty' ? :dodge:

[Finn]

It's all been downhill since woman were given the vote.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

[bobsmith]

The ladies I ride with usually say that they hate being the one to hold up the ride, and while it's great to have them along, it's also nice to be able to enjoy the pure riding without worrying whether they've fallen off, broken down, or got lost simply because they quite literally can't keep up.

They should ride with me, then I would be the one holding up ride :Punk:

[Deviant Esq]

Maybe I should ride with you too. Always wanted to feel fast! :dodge:

[ManDownUnder]

Maybe I should ride with you too. Always wanted to feel fast! :dodge:

Girls, Feel and Fast... 3 words that seem out of context without "Dan" for some reason

:whistle:

[Kinje]

Girls, organise your own rides.

I think Ixion commented very well in that some rides will be targeted to a certain type of demographic (rider). Posting what type of ride it will be helps me decide whether I should come along. Knowing a ride is going to be about stopping at a cafe and talking about nails, hair and guys...I don't want to go on that ride.

I love going on group rides, and have a lot of fun riding with the girls and guys on those. However, I don't feel the need to be included in every single ride, if the organiser is trying to attract a specific 'audience' (demographic/rider), which in some cases may not appeal to me.

[sunhuntin]

honestly...do whatever you want. myself, i prefer to ride solo. if i do ride in a group, i prefer males. i may get left behind, but then my preferance for solo rides comes into play.
i generally dont get on well with other women, so a womens only ride, for me, would turn into a cat fight.

[Grub]

The issue is not if girls can organise rides. It is if anyone can organise a girls ride.

To do so is against the law - the law that the women of the world demanded - and got.

Would KB girls allow us to organise a boys-only ride? No fucking way!!!!!!!

So get real. It's not about girls organising rides, it's about girls organising 'girls rides'.

Girls, your lot started this PC crap, now you gotta live with it.

btw ... I'm wondering when "Configure - gym for women" is going to get its dues and be closed down or forced to allow men to join. You don't see THAT on the front page of the paper - hell no!!!!

[MikeyG]

For those who didn't catch the reason this thread and poll was started http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=44165 the last couple of pages should help with clarification.

After reading the thread Mrs Kendog kindly gave a link to I think I would be quite keen to go on that ride. This is because it is a ride to a show and as there are a few chicks on GN's going on it I wouldn't be the only person on a slow bike holding up another ride.

That said I think there should be chicks only rides when they want to. However maybe a ride and coffee or suchlike is a better reason for one than a ride to a biking event that a lot of bikers will want to go to.

[KATWYN]

I have not been riding long and it can be intimidating being in a big group. The last girlie ride was great - no pressure, ride how you like.

.

I agree. From a practical confidence building perspective there is nothing
sexist about a girls only ride.

It is a good way for women to prep themselves for the mixed rides I reakon

KB is about encouraging and promoting motorcycle riding. If girl only rides
can get womens riding confidence up, then KB is achieving its goals.

and the guys can enjoy us in their rides without being anchors half an hour behind all the time

[Finn]

To do so is against the law - the law that the girls of the world demand - and got.

No its not FFS. It's a website. What, the girls are going to start a class action against guys organising a guys only ride? I think you've been watching too much TV.

[Lil_Byte]

Anyone should be allowed to organise whatever rides they want.
I will not be going on a girls only ride nor will I be taking my bike on an off road ride.

:scooter:

[Grub]

What, the girls are going to start a class action against guys organising a guys only ride?

Yes, they are. They caused a huge stink last year (front pages, 1 & 3 News) about a Waikaremoana Fishing club bunkroom for men only (no partitions, no privacy). They took it to the Human Rights Commission for fucks sake.

You haven't been watching *enough* TV.

p.s. I am all *for* girls rides ... if *boys* rides are ok too ... they wouldn't be. As I said, women started this PC crap, now they should suffer through it like everyone else has to

[Joni]

Would KB girls allow us to organise a boys-only ride? No fucking way!!!!!!!Why not? Go for it... No skin of anyones back... but you obviously feel quite strongly about it.

:lol:

[Squeak the Rat]

Why not? Go for it... No skin of anyones back... but you obviously feel quite strongly about it.

:lol:

Ah, you might not care Joni, but there's always one hairy-legged feminist who feels it's her right to complain, and then it's sexist and an important deal. But as we've just seen the reverse generates nothing but ridicule.

But as i said, us men are used to double standards :dodge:

Any of you chicks want to go to mermaids with us boys tonight :drool:

[NighthawkNZ]

Bloody stupid poll. .... .

Sprirt of KB, bollocks!

Spankme you need to post more... I just like your avatar :love:

[Lissa]

I don't really care if guys organise their own rides. I cant' or won't go on most of the rides myself, I do get freaked out by large numbers at the moment (until I get a faster bike) and I cant go on the 'faster, longer' rides, because I dont think I am quick enough, skilled enough and dont want to slow anyone down.

Why did we start a chicks ride in the first place:
1) I thought the other alternative was a long ride (which apprently I was mistaken, because I never saw the thread).
2) Our last 'chicks' ride was a huge success, we had been talking about it in the Biker Angels forum, and we thought it would be a good idea to do it again.
3) The last chicks ride, we ended up with guys on it anyway.. which didnt in anyway spoil it.
4) Because its freaken awesome to see a group of women riding together.... not something that you see very often.... and because of our different levels of skill etc, the only way we seem to come together is if we make a "chicks" ride for ourselves.

It wasnt meant to be a 'gender based' thing where we are all man haters, and want to slag men off. Like I said I like riding with guys, there are a number of KB men who have given me ALOT of support and help with my riding, I mean for godsake if it wasnt for UB I wouldnt even have a bike. I'm tired of all this...

[RiderInBlack]

We still have problems with this:gob:
As far as I am concerned KB is a Public Bike Forum not a "Club". If ya organising a ride for a particular group then you should be able to. End of story. Those that can not handle that need ta grow up and stop being so insecure.

[JMemonic]

Why should guys care really if the females want to organise a ride for females only, in reality its not a big deal some folks just have to make it one to get their opinion out there. Likewise who are these women that seem to care if guys want to organise a guys only ride.

I have seen a couple of comments that make me wonder are these folks, either gender are worried that if their girlfriends/wives/boyfriends/husbands/partners got out on a single sex ride they might what:
learn that there is more to life than mowing lawns/washing dishes?
decide that they to can have a life and friends?
flip sexuality?

It seems to me in our overly PC world that any time one gender specific group wants to get together some one in the other group has to make a big fuss out of it. Guys, ladies get over it its not different than a night out with the boys/girls.

I for one would not want to go out with my partner if she wants a night out with the girls, it does her good.

[Trudes]

Any of you chicks want to go to mermaids with us boys tonight :drool:

I'll come if you pay me in, last time I went I got a free lap-dance, much to the bloke's delight!

[Hitcher]

What's wrong with girl-only rides? No testosterone or penis envy. Nothing to prove in terms of the time taken to traverse the distance between departure point and arrival point. A way better safety record.

Maybe all group rides should be girl-only rides?

[Trudes]

I don't really care if guys organise their own rides. I cant' or won't go on most of the rides myself, I do get freaked out by large numbers at the moment (until I get a faster bike) and I cant go on the 'faster, longer' rides, because I dont think I am quick enough, skilled enough and dont want to slow anyone down.

Why did we start a chicks ride in the first place:
1) I thought the other alternative was a long ride (which apprently I was mistaken, because I never saw the thread).
2) Our last 'chicks' ride was a huge success, we had been talking about it in the Biker Angels forum, and we thought it would be a good idea to do it again.
3) The last chicks ride, we ended up with guys on it anyway.. which didnt in anyway spoil it.
4) Because its freaken awesome to see a group of women riding together.... not something that you see very often.... and because of our different levels of skill etc, the only way we seem to come together is if we make a "chicks" ride for ourselves.

It wasnt meant to be a 'gender based' thing where we are all man haters, and want to slag men off. Like I said I like riding with guys, there are a number of KB men who have given me ALOT of support and help with my riding, I mean for godsake if it wasnt for UB I wouldnt even have a bike. I'm tired of all this...

Geeze, now your saying everything on my mind!! Couldn't agree more babe, the Chick rides are like a polar bear on the beach, a novelty that doesn't happen all the time, so just enjoy it!

[ceebie13]

Gordon Bennett!! This thread is like pulling teeth. And still I add to it...doh! Yawn.

"Never in the field of internet forums has so much been said about so little"

[NighthawkNZ]

Why do I care... errrr I don't :doh: ... just means I missing out on a ride :(

As I said I don't dcare either way, organise girls rides only... there is a couple being organised here in Dunedin and if it means gettting there confidence up and thats good thing...

[Grub]

It's not about the ride. It was *never* about the ride.

It's about sexism. Women made the lawmakers make the rules, now they don't want to play by them.

Yes the rules ARE stupid, they're way over the top and we have a whole govt department to enforce them and to take frivolous "complaints" seriously but anyone who deigns to point out this dichotomy gets rubbished and the double-standard is never acknowledged.

[Lissa]

I want a spunky naked man avatar!!! Where can I get one? :D Not quite sure why I wrote that



Geeze, now your saying everything on my mind!! Couldn't agree more babe, the Chick rides are like a polar bear on the beach, a novelty that doesn't happen all the time, so just enjoy it!
Cheers Trudes.... thats a great way of putting it.

[Joni]

What are you on about Grub?
as Finn mentioned this is a website and there is only one rule maker here... and he is a HE, not a she...


Of course they can organise their own rides. Thats the whole fucking point of the site. Any group of any description can organise any biker event they want.

Sprirt of KB, bollocks!

But hey, your call to think as you please!

You happen to be quite amusing when you beat that drum of yours....:msn-wink:

[ManDownUnder]

It's not about the ride. It was *never* about the ride.

It's about sexism. Women made the lawmakers make the rules, now they don't want to play by them.

Yes the rules ARE stupid, they're way over the top and we have a whole govt department to enforce them and to take frivolous "complaints" seriously but anyone who deigns to point out this dichotomy gets rubbished and the double-standard is never acknowledged.

I hear what you're saying - and I have to admit I had to stop before I posted - I'm the one that always on about "them and us" ... and yet here I am supporting it.

WTF?

It's all about intent. Why is the ride being arranged? I can't answer that but I understand it's about providing a safe atmosphere that will encourage female bikers to go for a blast.

I understand it's going to be less bloody annoying if there aren't the usual gaggle of hormone driven boys harrassing them and showing off, hinting and flirting with them to get into their pants. Guys think like that 24x7... well... more than women. Maybe... just maybe women find that shit annoying, or at the very least would enjoy an occasion when they are not bothered with it. And biking is fun - isn't it? It must be nice to enjoy it without being hit on all the bloody time.

If it was an anti men thing then yeah - I'd be protesting. But I don't think it is. Knowing KeyStone19 - organiser of the Girly coffee run up this way - I expect the aim was anything but the disempowerment or subjugation of men. More a celebration of biking as a female.

Again - it's not a big deal

[mstriumph]

I'd go on one if it was for lunch or something somewhere i particularly wanted to go or with people i particularly wanted to meet up with or along a route that interested me .... and it wouldn't bother me personally if guys went along as well

But girls stuff just for the sake of it being girls only? In fairness i can't help thinking that if 'discrimination' is unacceptable then ALL discrimination should be?

- heck - I'm the one that when approached to join at a CWA cake stall, told them they were an sexist organization .............. anzac biscuits notwithstanding :yes:

and, with the benefit of hindsight, it makes me uneasy that i once joined the girl guides :mellow:

[Indiana_Jones]

time for a men only ride!

STAYING...


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PLAYING WITH THE BOYS!



but on a serious note, I don't really care if they want a girls only ride. But I do hate that BS about women's gyms etc, but hearing about women demanding male barber shops cater for them :angry:

-Indy

[ManDownUnder]

But girls stuff just for the sake of it being girls only?

Agreed - if that was the one and only reason then I'm on side with you.

I suspect it's not the only reason though. Root cause analysis may hold the answer - ask "why?" 5 times and see what you come out with.

i.e. that plane crashed!
Why? It hit the runway too hard!
Why? The pilot stuffed up
Why? He was too tired.
Why... you get the idea.

BS answers don't help... (not aimed at you msT... but I anticipate some creative answers among those that feel the need)

[NighthawkNZ]

I suspect it's not the only reason though. Root cause analysis may hold the answer - ask "why?" 5 times and see what you come out with.

i.e. that plane crashed!
Why? It hit the runway too hard!
Why? The pilot stuffed up
Why? He was too tired.
Why... you get the idea.

BS answers don't help... (not aimed at you msT... but I anticipate some creative answers among those that feel the need)

cause he could... :innocent:

[Shaun]

Do what you want to do girls

[NighthawkNZ]

I've decide theres to much blabbling about absolutely nothing and not enough riding... soooo.. :scooter:

I'm having a ride for "Just me's" will be meeting at the usual place and the usual time, going a completly unknown route :nya: stopping for a coffee somewhere. You can come if you want too but don't expect me to speak or ride with you because your are not me. :blah:

[mstriumph]

It isn't just about the actual riding:
The styles that men and women use to communicate have been described as "debate vs. relate", "report vs. rapport, or "competitive vs. cooperative". Men often seek straightforward solutions to problems and useful advice whereas women tend to try and establish intimacy by discussing problems and showing concern and empathy in order to reinforce relationships.
Jennifer Coates, in her book Women, Men and Language (New York: Longman Inc., 1986) studied men-only and women-only discussion groups and found that when women talk to each other they reveal a lot about their private lives. They also stick to one topic for a long time, let all speakers finish their sentences and try to have everyone participate. Men, on the other hand, rarely talked about their personal relationships and feelings but "competed to prove themselves better informed about current affairs, travel, sport, etc.". The topics changed often and the men tried to "over time, establish a reasonably stable hierarchy, with some men dominating conversation and others talking very little".


.....................

....... and people who generalise should be shot

straightforward solutions do it for me every single time ... and i didn't have any below the belt unfemale appendages last time i looked

and, as for 'showing concern and empathy' as a means unto an end - i'd think that was positively deceitful

sorry - did i interupt what you were saying? :innocent:


ok - rant over
it's just that i loath and detest that quirk of human nature that makes us judge people and make sweeping assumptions based on criteria, like gender, creed, race, age, that are possibly irrelevant ........ :o

[Finn]

....... and people who generalise should be shot


I don't think it was a generalisation, more of a cut and paste...

[mstriumph]

Agreed - if that was the one and only reason then I'm on side with you......................

ooooops - didn't mean to imply i thought it was the only reason apropros this particular thread

- sorry - was philosophysing (sp?) .......... well, generalizing actually :o

and, therefore, should be shot .........

[Kinje]

People organise rides on here for any number of different reasons-
: to get as many bikers along as possible just to go for a ride
: to go for a 'race' along the tight twisty back roads
: to go for a cruisy wednesday night ride
: to go to a particular event- track day, rally, or clothing show

There may even be numerous rides organised to go to the same event, a racey one or a cruisy one. People are free to choose which ride they go on, or they can choose not to go at all.

The nature of the ride dictates which one I would choose to go on. If someone suggested a ride to a clothing show where they met up, went to a cafe to talk about whatever a bunch of chicks talk about together, then rode to the event, I would most likely not join that ride and find another one or ride by myself. I do not feel excluded from a chicks ride, I choose not to join it as I doubt I would have a lot in common to talk about in this context.

There are rides organised on here that do suit me and I do join and enjoy. The nature of those rides are in line with what I enjoy doing so choose to involve myself in.

[mstriumph]

I don't think it was a generalisation, more of a cut and paste...

Jennifer Coates ...............

[ManDownUnder]

- sorry - was philosophysing (sp?) .......... well, generalizing actually :o

and, therefore, should be shot .........

And admitting that means you have balls bigger than most in here... figuratively speaking of course...

:niceone:

[yungatart]

Agreed - if that was the one and only reason then I'm on side with you.

I suspect it's not the only reason though. Root cause analysis may hold the answer - ask "why?" 5 times and see what you come out with.

i.e. that plane crashed!
Why? It hit the runway too hard!
Why? The pilot stuffed up
Why? He was too tired.
Why... you get the idea.

BS answers don't help... (not aimed at you msT... but I anticipate some creative answers among those that feel the need)

I mostly ride with guys - why? Because there are f*** all females to ride with here - although the numbers are growing.

Why would I choose to ride in a girls only group?
Because I would feel less pressured.

Why?
Because I'm not a fast rider.

Why?
because I am not skilled enough.

Why?
Because I don't ride enough.

Why?
Because I always hold the guys up because I ride slow..........and round we go again...
But HB boys rock - because they put up with me pootling and never complain

[Finn]

Jennifer Coates ...............

William Gates I believe...

[Drew]

So what does it really matter what people think?

Are you really concerned what people think or is this another one of those “I wanna pee standing up too” rants?

The spirit of KB?? We used to have one - now it's gotten all touchy, feely, politically correct and frankly rather stupid. Only when there's some real trouble do we sometimes see it surface, then it's back to the usual.

Here here!

The PC bullshit is gettin out of hand on this forum!! It is becoming very hard to say somrthing, in honest good natured piss taking, without some bleeding heart bitching about it. Of course the girls can organise their own bloody rides, as can the guys if they can be arsed with the flack. Bottom line, someone who organises a ride, can tell anyone to fuck off, it's their ride!
I was infracted recently, for excessive use of bad language, ok, the problem is, it was a quote that the language came from, in an R18 joke thread! How PC do you PUSSY'S want to be?

Very well known quote, "You can please some of the people, some of the time, but never, all of the people all of the time." Think about it ya tossers, before ya have a bitch about something next time.

Also, is it possible, that the starter of this thread, only did so, because none of the boys invite him either? Doesn't sound like someone I'd invite for a thrash.:no:

[Squeak the Rat]

Because I would feel less pressured.
Why?
Because I'm not a fast rider.
Why?
because I am not skilled enough.
Why?
Because I don't ride enough.
Why?
Because I always hold the guys up because I ride slow..........and round we go again...


Plenty of guys would be in the same boat. The difference is most guys are less likely to admit it.......

*falls over, shot by Mstriuaaarrrggghhh*

[RiderInBlack]

And admitting that means you have balls bigger than most in here
Nasty Tank Slaps tend to do that. I'm sure all they need is lotion rubbed on them to help reduce the swelling and to move them from the chest back down to the groin.:dodge:

[justsomeguy]

.......and, as for 'showing concern and empathy' as a means unto an end - i'd think that was positively deceitful


Uh -huh?

-- and don't women (the many I've met in my 12 years of being interested in them) do this instinctively??

Or are they "just being polite"....

[yungatart]

Plenty of guys would be in the same boat. The difference is most guys are less likely to admit it.......

*falls over, shot by Mstriuaaarrrggghhh*

...or will ride way outside their ability level in an effort to keep up, and lose it horribly...

[ManDownUnder]

...or will ride way outside their ability level in an effort to keep up, and lose it horribly...

LMFAO!!!! dammit - ran out of bling... But yeah - what she said!

[justsomeguy]

Here here!

The PC bullshit is gettin out of hand on this forum!! It is becoming very hard to say somrthing, in honest good natured piss taking, without some bleeding heart bitching about it. Of course the girls can organise their own bloody rides, as can the guys if they can be arsed with the flack. Bottom line, someone who organises a ride, can tell anyone to fuck off, it's their ride!
I was infracted recently, for excessive use of bad language, ok, the problem is, it was a quote that the language came from, in an R18 joke thread! How PC do you PUSSY'S want to be?

Very well known quote, "You can please some of the people, some of the time, but never, all of the people all of the time." Think about it ya tossers, before ya have a bitch about something next time.

Also, is it possible, that the starter of this thread, only did so, because none of the boys invite him either? Doesn't sound like someone I'd invite for a thrash.:no:

Yeah - I got infracted for insulting Boomer fer feck sake ........

Love these infractions - soon they're gonna make us get notes from our parents - the rotten barstools:angry:

Hitcher - if you ever give me detention - :nono: - and NO Joni!! I'm not writing an essay on why we must not ride recklessly.:dodge:

Who knows why Kendog posted what he did - each to their own.

I first thought it was Mrs. Kendog - but she's got her own login - so I wonder why a bloke wants to know if the girls can use dildos... uhmm I mean - organise their own rides.

[Squeak the Rat]

...or will ride way outside their ability level in an effort to keep up, and lose it horribly...

Exactamundo.

So all we need to do now is set up a group for the small percentage of guys who have self control and also don't want to be with the chest-beating brigade.

Or they could join the girls ride (refer post #1) :lol:

[idleidolidyll]

I don't think it was a generalisation, more of a cut and paste...

yeah, from one of my communication text books.

whatever people might think of 'generalisations' they are often valid and a good indicator to the reasons/motivations behind differences.

governments, businesses and organisations couldn't make decisions without them

[Disco Dan]

15 members and 2 guests viewing a thread about whether or not females should be able to have their own group rides?

WTF? the world has indeed gone topsy-turvy..... :whocares:

[justsomeguy]

Maybe I've been living under a rock or something.

I've been attending KB rides for about 2 years - been on almost all of them that have been publicly organised in Auckland over the weekends.

But I've never, ever seen or been subjected to ridicule for being a slow rider, right from my days with a L-plate arriving 20mins plus after the rest of the group.

Hell - people like Loosebruce, Two Smoker, Motoracer, Death, Zed, Aff-man, etc, would be waiting, parked on the side of the road with no helmets on and big welcoming smiles on their faces.

What is this chest beating - pressure to keep up - peepee envy that people are talking about??

[Drew]

yeah, from one of my communication text books.

whatever people might think of 'generalisations' they are often valid and a good indicator to the reasons/motivations behind differences.

governments, businesses and organisations couldn't make decisions without them
Yep, people get all upset about stereotypes, which makes me giggle, since they wouldn't be stereotypes if it wasn't the norm for whatever group you're labeling. HEHEHEHEHEHE, argue with that PC brigade!!!!!

[Bonez]

I don't care either way. Concidering I'm a girlie or nana rider and have been called a cunt at times I take it I can participate on these runs.

[yungatart]

The pressure is not from other riders, it comes from within!
I would love to be able to corner like the guys I ride with, I would love to be able to ride at 160 on the straights - fact is, neither me nor my bike is capable of it! So I am always the last one to our meeting places.
The only one who pressures me to go faster is me, but that isn't to say it isn't pressure, nonetheless.
Having said that, i don't ride beyond my abilites, just to try and keep up, but it would be nice to be second to last, just once!

[Drew]

Fuck me!!! I've just gone back to the first post, (to see if I could pick more holes in it of course, why else?) And see that it was started at Quarter to six this morning!!! Who the hell cares about this shit at the best of times, let alone that early!! I didn't even know there was an 0547 in the morning!:gob:

[justsomeguy]

I would love to be able to corner like the guys I ride with, I would love to be able to ride at 160 on the straights - fact is, neither me nor my bike is capable of it!

How come you think you can't?? Unless you plan to give up biking forever in the next month.

I think you can :D

- People should first get comfortable cornering and riding at 50kmph - then 60 - then 70 - then get a bigger bike as and when needed - then 80 - then 90..... time goes by, more practice...

Until you end up doing 270+ indicated on the speedo on one of the Coro Loop rides :dodge:or race tracks....

Look at Keystone19 - she could barely ride just a few months ago - is racing in the nationals at the moment.

:first:

[NighthawkNZ]

The only one who pressures me to go faster is me, but that isn't to say it isn't pressure, nonetheless.
Having said that, i don't ride beyond my abilites, just to try and keep up, but it would be nice to be second to last, just once!

First of all, never ever feel pressured to keep up, ride your own ride, and ride to your own abilities, if you feel bit to anxious to continue pull over and your TEC will (should) pull up with you, maybe give a few pointers, and help you to relax.

If you are in a group you should have an experienced rider as Tail End Charlie, (we recently had a mishap on one of our rides when we thought our TEC was an experienced rider when she wasn't, and she was the one who had the mishap)

In theory you should always be second last ;)

[Virago]

Bloody stupid poll. Of course they can organise their own rides. Thats the whole fucking point of the site. Any group of any description can organise any biker event they want.

Sprirt of KB, bollocks!

Agree with your sentiment Spank, but reckon the poll has been well worth while, if only to show the Naysayers that they're a minority.

Attempts by the girls to organise their own ride always seem to follow the same path.

The site wankers will gather around to furiously masturbate over the thread. "Ooh, can I come too? I'll ride behind to check out your bums........etc, etc."

The Naysayers will join in, to complain about the "sexist" nature of the ride.

A few more blokes join in, to say "let 'em have their ride".

The Naysayers start the abusive posts, PM's, and Rep in response.

The girls back off to leave them all to it.

Thread goes to PD, infractions and Sin-binning follow.

The issue of women-only rides just confirms that there are some total arseholes on the site. The poll however, confirms that they're a minority.:yes:

[Macktheknife]

I can't believe there is any debate about this! WHY THE HELL NOT???
Let the women organise any ride they want, they are no different to the rest of us. (apart from the obvious)
I'm quite sure that if a guy happened to turn up at one of these rides they would be welcomed anyway, not chastised and made to bugger off on their own.
Go for it ladies. The more women on bikes the better I say, and if doing girl only rides encourages that then I'm all for it.

[Maha]

I can't believe there is any debate about this! WHY THE HELL NOT???
Let the women organise any ride they want, they are no different to the rest of us. (apart from the obvious)
I'm quite sure that if a guy happened to turn up at one of these rides they would be welcomed anyway, not chastised and made to bugger off on their own.
Go for it ladies. The more women on bikes the better I say, and if doing girl only rides encourages that then I'm all for it.


Without doubt the most intelligent thing said to date, on this subject (well, on this page anyway :dodge: )...i like the nutshell version Mack....well done mate...:yes:

[Kendog]

Who knows why Kendog posted what he did - each to their own.

Why this poll? to satisfy my curiosity.

Mrs KD's last attempt to organise a girls ride was met with similar reactions to the 'Girls ride to the Quasi show' ride. It is pretty demoralising to arrange a ride with best intentions only to have people say you can't do that.
But she persevered and I got to see how great a girls ride is for the girls. And it has been said many times in this thread why that would be.

So when Lissa's girls ride started copping the old same old bullshit "you cant have a ride without inviting everyone" posts, I wanted to know what the thoughts of the wider KB community were.

I have my answer.

[Maha]

I would love to be able to corner like the guys I ride with


You never did get to see me in action did ya?....:scooter:

[Grahameeboy]

Well I think the post is good...............not sure why there are those who have criticised the gals ride..................I mean men don't normally go to tupperware party's so why should it be different with gals only rides.......actually how does Bikerware Party sound...okay crap...I give up....going to my corner now

[Grahameeboy]

You never did get to see me in action did ya?....:scooter:

Didn't know you videoed the honeymoon Maha....................:gob:

[yungatart]

You never did get to see me in action did ya?....:scooter:

Nah, I never got the pleasure - but at least you stay on your bike......
Do you wanna come ride with me, we could invite Ixion and have a "nana riders" convention.

[ceebie13]

Who knows why Kendog posted what he did - each to their own.

I first thought it was Mrs. Kendog - but she's got her own login - so I wonder why a bloke wants to know if the girls can use dildos... uhmm I mean - organise their own rides.

Over to you Nige.... hehe

EDIT: Try reading the earlier posts, Richard. Ya daft wassuk!!

[MVnut]

I voted yes. Of course they should be allowed girl rides.I see a few have voted 'no'. you girls should tell these people to sod off, no need to be polite:rockon:

[ceebie13]

...I mean men don't normally go to tupperware party's ....

Yes they do... sportsbikes are known as Tupperware bikes because of all the plastic...there's loads of shindigs for them.

[Blondini]

GIRLS ONLY RIDE?????FOR SURE LETS GET THE NEXT ONE ROLLING:yes: :Punk: :woohoo: :wari: :ride: :ride: :ride: :nya:

[mstriumph]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mstriumph
.......and, as for 'showing concern and empathy' as a means unto an end - i'd think that was positively deceitful

Uh -huh?

-- and don't women (the many I've met in my 12 years of being interested in them) do this instinctively??

Or are they "just being polite"....

no - under the circumstances i was talking about they'd be being self-focused and intent on their own agenda ........ but mebbe we are BOTH generalizing.?

.......... and, therefore, should BOTH be shot ......... :shutup:

[DEATH_INC.]

Girls wouldn't be happy at all if the guys of KB planned a ride that was strictly "Men only," so if the shoe's on the other foot, exactly the same should apply. If Men can't exclude Women, Women shouldn't exclude Men.
They don't mind, I've done it.

[Grahameeboy]

Yes they do... sportsbikes are known as Tupperware bikes because of all the plastic...there's loads of shindigs for them.

Ohhh...Beddy in deed...........

[Bonez]

Yes they do... sportsbikes are known as Tupperware bikes because of all the plastic...there's loads of shindigs for them.Some are more like bras. They provide support for big lumbs.

[Maha]

Didn't know you videoed the honeymoon Maha....................:gob:

Its on youtube.....great knee down action n' all.....


Nah, I never got the pleasure - but at least you stay on your bike......
Do you wanna come ride with me, we could invite Ixion and have a "nana riders" convention.

Will there be a 'Chief Nana' badge?...not for me...just asking :oi-grr:


GIRLS ONLY RIDE?????FOR SURE LETS GET THE NEXT ONE ROLLING:yes: :Punk: :woohoo: :wari: :ride: :ride: :ride: :nya:


Thats it, im getting a wig......

[cowboyz]

whoever organizes a ride can decide who they want on it. If woman want to ride on their own then go for it.

I have told people before that I don't want them on the ashhurst rides. Just because of their reputation and it wasn't fitting with the way the group rides. Personally I don't know why woman need a ride of their own. Us guys aren't that bad but if they want to then go ahead.

[Quartermile]

Don't see why not but some people have made valid points about the clubs in NZ if they are going anyway its moving AGANIST men which is also bad considering the point of the anti-sexist movement is supposed to be exacty that!!!

And ladies don't forget not all men who want to come on rides are testosterone fuelled horny bastards, allthough I imagine alot are :D

[DEATH_INC.]

If everyone just ignored what others are doing and got on with their own life, this sorta crap wouldn't exist.
Q: What would you be doing if the girls hadn't organised a girlie ride? Go do it. See it's easy.....
I'm going now before I get all abusive and stuff....

[yungatart]

Will there be a 'Chief Nana' badge?...not for me...just asking :oi-grr:




We could do that....course you have to remember that I am an actual nana of the grandmotherly persuasion... I might have a slight advantage...

[Riff Raff]

My opinion is that people need to get over themselves.

[GIXser]

Recent attempts by the ladies to publicly organise a girl only ride has attracted criticism from some male members.

This got me thinking. Is organising a girl only ride in open forums going against the spirit ok KB?
Or should they arrange these rides in secret, or go somewhere else to organise them?

What do you think?


sorry but this is a fucken stupid waste of time" who gives a FUCK

[BarBender]

Do we need a poll this sort of shit? We ride bikes FFS.

The poll question is a farken insult to anyone who has half a brain, any dignity, identity or independence - regardless if they are male or female.

[cowpoos]

If there wasnt a section for biker angels or if there wasnt free organization in here i would probably have said no - but there is and its not against the rules. If the rules said we werent allowed to do it i would abide by those because i would have signed up knowing that.


I've voted yes, (although I don't mind some guys coming along - I think there were some fellows tagging along by the end of the last ride). However, to to be told that we can't do it because it's not "in the spirit of KB" is not on. I have not been riding long and it can be intimidating being in a big group. The last girlie ride was great - no pressure, ride how you like.

Yes, that's how it should be in a mixed group - but let's be honest, it's not always.

There's other groups that organise rides that I won't go on because I don't fit in the group (e.g. dirt bike, adventure ride...) but I don't get my panties in a twist about it.

I think a very big deal is being made about some chicks who like bikes trying to have a good time. How about letting us do it?





PS - deviant if the guys want to make a boys only ride, I don't have a problem with that either.


If girls can ride 2 wheels there Y cant the organise a ride. U might b surprise in how well they do it.


I think there are still plenty of women who feel intimidated by the presence of men, that's probably why there are so many women-only clubs (anywhere in the world).
I doubt whether that has anything to do with girls-only rides, it always sounds like good fun. :Punk: (personally I don't like group rides though)

So why not a men-only ride, were there any problems organising it before?:scratch:


Cos you're a dirty stinky male, with sex on your mind and an immature boyish brain. Whereas they are innocent, lovely, angelic ....... oh hold on a minute :sick: .... :puke:

You saying there's more to the argument? You sure?


Guys a question, your girlie said in a high pitched voice "Oooh me and the girls are going shopping for make-up and then we going to have some coffee... gigggle giggle *ahem I think thats how girls do it lol* - would you want to go? No its a girl thing and its kinda understood...

A bit like when guys want to drink beer and, watch rugby and burp... its guy time, I dont want to be there...

So why get all huffy about a ride?....

I dont get it... I myself enjoy riding with guys... in fact there was a time I was the only woman rider I knew... but hey who cares...

My point is - Do what you want, that has always been my motto for life...


I notice when I go riding that there are VERY FEW women riding bikes, in proportion to the number of men. You notice that in various cafes, top of the Takas, using bike parks round town, organised rides.
We are still a minority.
So if girls only rides help address the imabalance, and get more women out on bikes gaining confidence, surely that is a good thing for both sexes.


I'm with imdying & Joni.. :yes:

Girls.. just DO IT!!!! :Punk: there will ALWAYS be someone who won't like it.. :whocares: IGNORE them!!!!!!!!! they ain't worth it!!


Bloody stupid poll. Of course they can organise their own rides. Thats the whole fucking point of the site. Any group of any description can organise any biker event they want.

Sprirt of KB, bollocks!


I love riding with guys… When I organised the Wairarapa ride (chicks and dicks) a couple of weeks ago, we had about 30 bikes… out of those only about 5 were female riders. But I loved that ride, and loved meeting a lot of new people. Without Sels1 helping me with that one, we would have ended up god knows where…. doing god knows what. (hmm sounds like fun!)

But I also don’t see the prob with organising a chick only ride occasionally. I bet some organised rides that happen, no girls show up, due to the fact there aren’t as many girls as guys. But chick rides arent exclusively girls anyway and guys tend to show up… which is always welcomed. But its also nice to actually outnumber the men…. empowers us to give the ones that are there even more shit.

I don’t want this to turn into a bitch slapping session… so basically what spanker said.

I really enjoy organising rides … and really want to organise more in the future, esp in the Wairarapa, but I don’t want to have to bake muffins to tempt the guys to come along to them.. because they feel they arent wanted. Because a) I don’t really like baking and b) I am not that great at it.


For those who didn't catch the reason this thread and poll was started http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=44165 the last couple of pages should help with clarification.



Exactly, believe me, I enjoy riding with the guys, but it's nice to have a ride with the gals in mind, usually turns into a gossip session, which is great!

For the record, I don't have a problem with the guys having a guy only ride, gives me a chance to do something that doesn't interest him, or gather my girlie mates together and go for a ride or something. Also I've run out of bling for the day, so yeah!:rockon:


Where is the option for who cares?????
Ride with whomever you want - sheesh, you can actually organise a solo ride (you know, just you on your own).
I don't care what happens, or who rides with who, surely it is about the ride!!


Of course! The "girls rides" were never girls only, they were/are girl oriented


THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM..theres no club fees...no committee votes as such..
So why the concern for negative comments??BLOCK THEM...PRESS A KEY.The ones throwing the banter are the ones who wont ride in your organised ride anyway!!!I appreciate a male on my rides as if something should go wrong it will be a man who I ask for help first!!they are more mechanically minded and have the stregnth to lift bikes up onto trailors when needed!!!Not to mention they DO have a place on this planet....
All the male riders I know encourage and are terrific guys to ride with..long before I came across kb..and the guys I have met on kb I have ridden with them and they appreciate my riding level and we all just get on and RIDE!!!


honestly...do whatever you want. myself, i prefer to ride solo. if i do ride in a group, i prefer males. i may get left behind, but then my preferance for solo rides comes into play.
i generally dont get on well with other women, so a womens only ride, for me, would turn into a cat fight.


I agree. From a practical confidence building perspective there is nothing
sexist about a girls only ride.

It is a good way for women to prep themselves for the mixed rides I reakon

KB is about encouraging and promoting motorcycle riding. If girl only rides
can get womens riding confidence up, then KB is achieving its goals.

and the guys can enjoy us in their rides without being anchors half an hour behind all the time


GIRLS ONLY RIDE?????FOR SURE LETS GET THE NEXT ONE ROLLING:


My opinion is that people need to get over themselves.
Right you lot get back in the frickin kitchen and fix us a feed and do the dishes then ya can go on ya ride!!!!!

and people say I'm not politically correct....I think thats priddy dam fair!!!

[Riff Raff]

Right you lot get back in the frickin kitchen and fix us a feed and do the dishes then ya can go on ya ride!!!!!
How about a nice cup of shut the ..........

[cowpoos]

How about a nice cup of shut the ..........
door on the way out!!! yes please...and bring me back a fruju ;)

[Drew]

Do we need a poll this sort of shit? We ride bikes FFS.

The poll question is a farken insult to anyone who has half a brain, any dignity, identity or independence - regardless if they are male or female.

Insult how? Surely someone with the intelligence, identity, and indepedence to be insulted, can elaboate on such a criptic statement.

For those of us with less of the afore mentioned atributes.

[Drew]

How about a nice cup of shut the ..........


door on the way out!!! yes please...and bring me back a fruju ;)

You fuckin geeks are sitting side by side online again aint ya!

[BarBender]

Insult how? Surely someone with the intelligence, identity, and indepedence to be insulted, can elaboate on such a criptic statement.

For those of us with less of the afore mentioned atributes.

Yo Fizzle my man - if you believe yourself to have "less of the afore mentioned attributes" - what makes you think you are going to have a shit show in hell of understanding what I elaborate on? :scratch:

[Detroitdiesel]

Just as Guys need time out with their mates, so do Girls need time out with there friends. If they want to go riding together how is that different if they want to go shopping together??? Go Girls and have fun and remember its good for mental health.

[Blondini]

whoever organizes a ride can decide who they want on it. If woman want to ride on their own then go for it.

I have told people before that I don't want them on the ashhurst rides. Just because of their reputation and it wasn't fitting with the way the group rides. Personally I don't know why woman need a ride of their own. Us guys aren't that bad but if they want to then go ahead.

Just cos I can..,....I am not "GOOD" (define good:innocent: )ENOUGH to go on a thursday ride I am told:yes: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :woohoo: :jerry: But I was told "the guys are good at turning the bigger bikes around"Well HELLO thats why I have been weightlifting my daughter all these years ...So I can Help:yes: Hey I like GUYS but it is nice to have time with just the girls...:yes: :shutup:

[Ralph]

Does it really matter if they do. I think the poll is speaking for it self quite well.
After all how many rides do we go on and there aren't any females there.

[chanceyy]

whoever organizes a ride can decide who they want on it. If woman want to ride on their own then go for it.

I have told people before that I don't want them on the ashhurst rides. Just because of their reputation and it wasn't fitting with the way the group rides. Personally I don't know why woman need a ride of their own. Us guys aren't that bad but if they want to then go ahead.

you have not said anything to me ................. YET ........................ does that mean i might be able to join ya ;)



well being of the female gender, .. & new to riding .. I agree with riding who ever i wanted to ride with .. be it a blardy bunch of girls all PMSing at the same time with their handbags :shutup: .. or boys who i know will leave me for dead .. but I would hope they are prepared to wait about a hour or so for me to catch up :innocent:

but at the end of the day I ride my own ride, as long as i get there in one piece & have a damn good time then who farken cares .... at the end of the day biking is the winner !!!!!!!!!!!

[cowboyz]

its all bollocks. I dont think I have ever been on a ride where everyone stays together all of the time. Sometimes people get out in front. Sometimes people drop back behind. It doesn't matter. everyone gets there eventually.

[Drum]

Does the ride involve a sleepover with pillow fights?

[Nicksta]

Recent attempts by the ladies to publicly organise a girl only ride has attracted criticism from some male members.

This got me thinking. Is organising a girl only ride in open forums going against the spirit ok KB?
Or should they arrange these rides in secret, or go somewhere else to organise them?

What do you think?
i'm curious as to what brought this up......

the GCR Jill and I organised seemed to go off without a problem... and only funny stuff was the boys in jest talking about hanging out with so many girls.... we had no issues...

Now the girly ride i organised last year was a different story... i copped abusive PM's and a lot of red rep from certain members and intervention from mods was needed... and it made me seriously question my staying on KB... (at that time, i'm still here i guess) and human beings as a whole... it is 98% resolved now but i still dislike certain members for their words....

I believe this is an open forum for people to meet likeminded people... if we want to organise a girly ride.. we have just as much right as a dirtbiker or 250cc rider or a stunt night... i see no problem....
the comments and reports from our latest GCR were very positive and helped some shy ladies come out and have an awesome day with good company and are now more confident for it.... (plus it got a friend of mine on a bike for the first time and she loved it!!!)

so i think, let us girls go for coffee and you boys get off your criticising asses and organise yoru own rides unless your too lazy and all you can do is complain about others getting out there and riding....
:scooter:

[Drum]

........and you boys get off your criticising asses and organise yoru own rides unless your too lazy and all you can do is complain about others getting out there and riding....
:scooter:

According to the latest poll, this applies to 8 people! Eight is enough?

[Nicksta]

According to the latest poll, this applies to 8 people! Eight is enough?
yup... in the '80's, three's company.. so 8's defiantely enough for a ride.... and i hope they enjoy their own company.....

[zeocen]

I can't even fathom why this would be an issue, and why rides concerning groups that you aren't part of would worry you so much?

I don't get bent out of shape because harley riders don't let me go on their rides... I struggle to see the difference. And shit, it's better they spend hours on the road than hours in the mall! At least for the wallets sake!:dodge:

[Blondini]

yup... in the '80's, three's company.. so 8's defiantely enough for a ride.... and i hope they enjoy their own company.....

Ok I am up and I will play a silly game cos I am waiting for puppies and I apologise for hackink the thread or whatever you call it but.......................OK How does it really look and someone with better computer skills can do it...BOYS RIDE ONLY NO GIRLS...was gonna start a thread for fun but............ heres one...sorry all forgive me:love:

[Nicksta]

lol...hmmm..... cant say i'd want to join the testosterone fest of my bikes go a bigger pipe than yours....lol

[Biff]

Wimmin should be obscene and not heard.

:dodge:

[DEATH_INC.]

i'm curious as to what brought this up......

the GCR Jill and I organised seemed to go off without a problem... and only funny stuff was the boys in jest talking about hanging out with so many girls.... we had no issues...

Now the girly ride i organised last year was a different story... i copped abusive PM's and a lot of red rep from certain members and intervention from mods was needed... and it made me seriously question my staying on KB... (at that time, i'm still here i guess) and human beings as a whole... it is 98% resolved now but i still dislike certain members for their words....


Yeh, I remember this, what a fracus......and all for nothing.
I did organise a 'blokes ride' too, and there was no bitching from the girls....... :mellow:
Go the girlie rides, they all seem to enjoy themselves heaps and that's what it's all about innit :yes:

[NighthawkNZ]

lol...hmmm..... cant say i'd want to join the testosterone fest of my bikes go a bigger pipe than yours....lol

not all the testosterone rides are about or like that... very few ... hmmm actually none (that I have been on)...

[BarBender]

Insult how? Surely someone with the intelligence, identity, and indepedence to be insulted, can elaboate on such a criptic statement.
For those of us with less of the afore mentioned atributes.

Apologies Fizz - I think I now know the intent of your question. Upon reflection my 'outburst' may not have been clear.



i'm curious as to what brought this up......

the GCR Jill and I organised seemed to go off without a problem... and only funny stuff was the boys in jest talking about hanging out with so many girls.... we had no issues...

Now the girly ride i organised last year was a different story... i copped abusive PM's and a lot of red rep from certain members and intervention from mods was needed... and it made me seriously question my staying on KB... (at that time, i'm still here i guess) and human beings as a whole... it is 98% resolved now but i still dislike certain members for their words....

I believe this is an open forum for people to meet likeminded people... if we want to organise a girly ride.. we have just as much right as a dirtbiker or 250cc rider or a stunt night... i see no problem....
the comments and reports from our latest GCR were very positive and helped some shy ladies come out and have an awesome day with good company and are now more confident for it.... (plus it got a friend of mine on a bike for the first time and she loved it!!!)

so i think, let us girls go for coffee and you boys get off your criticising asses and organise yoru own rides unless your too lazy and all you can do is complain about others getting out there and riding....
:scooter:

Totally agree. If the girls want to do their own thing - they should go and do it without having to be 'influenced' by other members of the forum....especially those that still live in the stoneage. :dodge:

Hence the reason why I questioned why a poll was instigated for what I'd consider an inherent right that anyone on this forum can organise their own rides/gatherings - regardless of age, location, bike type, cc rating, riding style or manufacturer preference...oh and fundamentally - GENDER.
No discourse on gender should be required - its an insult to those that look after your kids while you're out having a farken good time on your bike!

[Macktheknife]

I agree with riding who ever i wanted to ride!!!!!!!!!!!

Is that right?!!!!!

[ceebie13]

Joni, I can see you lurking. Do us all a favour and put this in the PD bin will ya? :-)

[Trudes]

Joni, I can see you lurking. Do us all a favour and put this in the PD bin will ya? :-)

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, before it turns into a free for all bitch session or something. The poll has proved its point!

[Joni]

Why should it be pd'd?
I mean this conversation has been interesting, there has been no excessive abuse... it has been bike/riding related...

yes i agree the thread has carried on and on and on and on... but I dont believe in moving things to pd just for the sake of it... I know some Mods do, but I dont wear that hat.

Sorry Ceebie!

[cowpoos]

Why should it be pd'd?
I mean this conversation has been interesting, there has been no excessive abuse... it has been bike/riding related...

yes i agree the thread has carried on and on and on and on... but I dont believe in moving things to pd just for the sake of it... I know some Mods do, but I dont wear that hat.

Sorry Ceebie!
thats coz your so priddy aye baby!!!!! ;)

[mstriumph]

good grief, 5 pages yet.

.............. and i sit here wondering whether the thread would have died within half a page had the question been "Should Ducati riders be permitted to organize their own rides?

perhaps if peop.s were to regard girly rides as just one more 'interest' group we'd all be better off? I mean, don't take it so [I]personally?

and, for those that have previously red-repped Nicksta for organizing a girly ride, do you also red-rep those organizing dirtbike rides? 250 rides? cruiser rides?

Riding is the important thing
...All else is commentary

[with apologies to Rabbi Hillel]

[GIXser]

i reckon we should stack all the girls ten high at the dump and throw rocks at em....


and im gonna organise a ride for kiwibikers with little dicks..( im leading it, followed closely by Dover,Boomer,Aff,

on second thoughts WT is probably first

[mstriumph]

i reckon we should stack all the girls ten high at the dump and throw rocks at em....


..........


*evil chuckle* :innocent:

[ManDownUnder]

and im gonna organise a ride for kiwibikers with little dicks..( im leading it, followed closely by Dover,Boomer,Aff,

but but... most of that list are big dicks... or did I miss summat?

And as for piling women 10 high at the dump - that's offensive... I can think of much more fun games to play with too many women at hand

[Riff Raff]

and, for those that have previously red-repped Riff Raff for organizing a girly ride, do you also red-rep those organizing dirtbike rides? 250 rides? cruiser rides?
'Twas not I organising the original girly ride - it was Nicksta. She put in a hell of a lot of effort and copped a humungous amount of abuse. Which sucks 'cos she's such an awesome chicky who was trying to do something nice.

[mstriumph]

...... hope it didn't make here too disheartened - it's a great thing to do, organizing any ride

that old irish toast springs to mind here ..

"Here's to those who wish us well
and those that don't can go to ......"

[Virago]

'Twas not I organising the original girly ride - it was Nicksta. She put in a hell of a lot of effort and copped a humungous amount of abuse. Which sucks 'cos she's such an awesome chicky who was trying to do something nice.

We can only hope Nicksta has gained some satisfaction from this poll, which confirms that the torrent of abuse came from a small minority - arseholes and begrudgers who would need a chip on the other shoulder to become balanced people.:dodge:

[SixPackBack]

Hopefully those still sulking from the 'girls only debacle thread' can now move on.
T'was a year ago?:mellow: and serious efforts have been made to mend broken fences:sunny:

[Nicksta]

sulking is something i dont do, yet i added my opinion and experience to this thread from the past and it appears i'm not over it? i cried a river, built a bridge and got the hell over it a long time ago (yet i got red rep in july??)....

serious efforts have been made by people... i know a lot of girls that got heartfelt apologies... yet one for me is still missing..... i

[eviltwin]

Enough of this bullshit...how about a singles ride?

It could be like speed dating.

Rules of engagement:

Females: you must arrive at the start point of the ride 2 hours prior to the males so you have time to catch up on the latest hollywood gossip, fashion faux pas and helmet hair preening tips. No cat fights will be tolerated until the males are present and must be done so in slow-motion. Also during this 2 hour period you must pair off for the obligatory 2 up bathroom excursions.

Upon arrival of the males you then have five minutes to look over the said studs and with vivid pen mark on your petrol tank the registration plate number of any potential riding partners.

Note: showing cleavage busting out of your leathers prior to departure is an acceptable form of bribery. All slappers are welcome except tank slappers.

You then leave in a disorderly fashion and have a further 5 minutes to sort yourselves into a pecking order for the ride.

Males: now that the females have left you have five minutes to down an obligatory beer, smoke 2 cigarettes, dish out the usually male bravado bullshit, draw straws, measure penis sizes and warm up your bikes in the forecourt of the gas station.

Blipping to 12000 revs in the forecourt is acceptable behaviour, this is considered a safety precaution of the ride warning all cagers in the gas station that we are about to leave and it maybe in their best interest to wait.

Upon approaching the female pack you take turns pulling up to each individual on her bike at say 120kph, first checking that her visor is up and she is of said persuasion, then proceed to yell your best pick up line (animated gesturing is acceptable being that she may not be able to hear you).

If she pops the front wheel up and accelerates to 180kph before bringing it back down to earth, she's obviously not interested and that should be taken as a clearly defined dissing.

However if the front should drop prior to the stated speed marker, it should be taken as an initiation of the biker mating ritual, much like that of the madagascar mayfly in heat. With this intention clearly defined you may then begin mimicking the female movements until such point that you feel it necessary to blow past and start showing off. Occasionally you should weight the pegs as to elevate your leather clad firm buttocks in full view of said female in a peacock like fashion. This display of riding prowess, or foreplay as we like to call it should be well rehearsed and be so enticing that the said female counterpart will be gagging for it by the time you hit the next rest stop.

It is preferable that this rest stop be a fine establishment with hygienic facilities so as to consummate your new riding friendship in style, after all, we're not riding Harleys are we?

[crack]

Girls wouldn't be happy at all if the guys of KB planned a ride that was strictly "Men only," so if the shoe's on the other foot, exactly the same should apply. If Men can't exclude Women, Women shouldn't exclude Men. I was going to vote "I don't mind either way," because I don't really, but really girls, do you mind if you have one or two nice boys attending? Are we really that bad?

The number of Men's only clubs remaining in NZ: Two, last I heard. The rest have been made to allow female members. The number of Women's only clubs in NZ: Over 2500. Makes you think, doesn't it? I mean, it's not like Men are going to get up in arms and demand to be allowed to join some Womens clubs, but hell, if you're allowed a Female only club, you should be allowed a Male only club without being accused of sexism.


Green to you good Sir!

I voted yes:

But if these figures you have quoted are correct, then something is kinda fucked up:

Maybe we men should go back to:

A Woman ,a dog, a Walnut tree, the more you beat them, the better they Be!!

Bare foot, keep em pregnant and in the kitchen???????

What 2500 Woman only clubs??????























Just kiddin!

:love: :love: :love: :love: :love: woman give me love, NOW!:

[Deviant Esq]

Green to you good Sir!

What a cheek, saying that and then not actually giving me any green!
:nya:

[Lou Girardin]

Is KB a biker site, or a male/female/other biker site?
If the women want segregated rides, perhaps they'd be happier with their own forum.

[Trudes]

Enough of this bullshit...how about a singles ride?

It could be like speed dating.

Rules of engagement:

Females: you must arrive at the start point of the ride 2 hours prior to the males so you have time to catch up on the latest hollywood gossip, fashion faux pas and helmet hair preening tips. No cat fights will be tolerated until the males are present and must be done so in slow-motion. Also during this 2 hour period you must pair off for the obligatory 2 up bathroom excursions.

Upon arrival of the males you then have five minutes to look over the said studs and with vivid pen mark on your petrol tank the registration plate number of any potential riding partners.

Note: showing cleavage busting out of your leathers prior to departure is an acceptable form of bribery. All slappers are welcome except tank slappers.

You then leave in a disorderly fashion and have a further 5 minutes to sort yourselves into a pecking order for the ride.

Males: now that the females have left you have five minutes to down an obligatory beer, smoke 2 cigarettes, dish out the usually male bravado bullshit, draw straws, measure penis sizes and warm up your bikes in the forecourt of the gas station.

Blipping to 12000 revs in the forecourt is acceptable behaviour, this is considered a safety precaution of the ride warning all cagers in the gas station that we are about to leave and it maybe in their best interest to wait.

Upon approaching the female pack you take turns pulling up to each individual on her bike at say 120kph, first checking that her visor is up and she is of said persuasion, then proceed to yell your best pick up line (animated gesturing is acceptable being that she may not be able to hear you).

If she pops the front wheel up and accelerates to 180kph before bringing it back down to earth, she's obviously not interested and that should be taken as a clearly defined dissing.

However if the front should drop prior to the stated speed marker, it should be taken as an initiation of the biker mating ritual, much like that of the madagascar mayfly in heat. With this intention clearly defined you may then begin mimicking the female movements until such point that you feel it necessary to blow past and start showing off. Occasionally you should weight the pegs as to elevate your leather clad firm buttocks in full view of said female in a peacock like fashion. This display of riding prowess, or foreplay as we like to call it should be well rehearsed and be so enticing that the said female counterpart will be gagging for it by the time you hit the next rest stop.

It is preferable that this rest stop be a fine establishment with hygienic facilities so as to consummate your new riding friendship in style, after all, we're not riding Harleys are we?

That is truly hilarious!!!! Well done. I'd be in for one of those rides (if I wasn't happily married), but you forgot the most important feature, the quick root in a bush!!

[apteryx_haasti]

That is truly hilarious!!!! Well done. I'd be in for one of those rides (if I wasn't happily married), but you forgot the most important feature, the quick root in a bush!!

Yes - I also gave green for that write up. Bit of a giggle!


Is KB a biker site, or a male/female/other biker site?
If the women want segregated rides, perhaps they'd be happier with their own forum.

Umm...we do have a forum here on KB - it's called Biker Angels. Just as the cruiser riders have one and the adventure riders, and the scooter riders, and the minimoto riders....

[ceebie13]

What a cheek, saying that and then not actually giving me any green!
:nya:

Tut, tut... I dunno, Ryan, some people are just all talk and no trousers aren't they? !!

[ceebie13]

... but you forgot the most important feature, the quick root in a bush!!

er... which kind of bush are you referring to Trudi? !!!!

"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush..." so to speak :yes:

[crack]

That is truly hilarious!!!! Well done. I'd be in for one of those rides (if I wasn't happily married), but you forgot the most important feature, the quick root in a bush!!

What a "quick root" in the bush! when's the next ride:

:love: :love: :love: :love: :love:

[Kendog]

What a "quick root" in the bush! when's the next ride:

:love: :love: :love: :love: :love:

:oi-grr: Taken already dude :first:

[buellbabe]

What IS the problem with us chicks deciding to do a girls ride?
I went on Nickstas one last year and really enjoyed it...
Like I said back then, I ride with blokes all the time so its a nice change to ride with other women!
Plus its a chance to make new friends.

There is NOTHING sexist about it.

[Drew]

There is NOTHING sexist about it.
That's already been established I think, now, we're all just taking the piss.

[roogazza]

My mum said to stay away from girls, cos they make you do rude things !!! Gaz. :yes: :yes:

[Lissa]

:oi-grr: Taken already dude :first:
Ohh too much INFO nigel!!! Dont want to know about you and Mrs KD sexual habits!! :shutup: She'll tell us all about it on the chicks ride for sure.



My mum said to stay away from girls, cos they make you do rude things !!! GazAnd we have cooties!!

[Drew]

And we have cooties!!

Have you told your man about this? He might have second thoughts ya know.

[Lissa]

...and we stink. Is the reason that when I stop at the top of the hill, NO ONE takes any notice of my bike.... I am sure it has nothing to do with me riding a GN. :mellow:



NO MUFFINS POOOOOOOOs

[ManDownUnder]

...and we stink. Is the reason that when I stop at the top of the hill, NO ONE takes any notice of my bike.... I am sure it has nothing to do with me riding a GN. :mellow:



NO MUFFINS POOOOOOOOs

I disagree - you have loverly muffins...

[MD]

This is worse than the fall of the Roman empire and the time that naked slapper told what's his name to take a bite of her apple "no, no it's fine he wont mind, take a bite" .. yeah right bitch. You took us to the cleaners that time.

From what I've read so far;
1. someone let the Sheilas out of the kitchen?
2. Then they taught them to ride!
3. now they're getting all militant on us.

It's the apple thing all over again. Get back in the kitchen... and we want our rib back!

[Lissa]

I disagree - you have loverly muffins...
How do you know? You havent even tasted my muffins!! :mellow: Cheeky



This is worse than the fall of the Roman empire....blah blah blah... whine, wha wha, blah blah blah.

Time out.... go to your room MD, that behaviour is unacceptable!!!!

:D

[ceebie13]

Ohh too much INFO nigel!!! Dont want to know about you and Mrs KD sexual habits!! :shutup: She'll tell us all about it on the chicks ride for sure.


Indeed...We'll now know what they mean when they say "are you up for a ride this weekend?" they are obviously swingers! No doubt about it.

[canarlee]

um i am a newbie here, well i have been looking in for a year or so but thats another story,i saw in the first couple of pages on this thread that golf was mentioned....."what the f**k has golf got to do with it?"....... i hear you saying.....bear with me peeps......then i see a comment that men only clubs are banned in NZ, soooooo does anyone know what GOLF stands for? if they do then this noble sport is banned in NZ, or it should be......."why?" i hear you cry......well GOLF stands for........Gentlemen Only Ladies Forbidden!


so that doesnt help the debate but i enjoyed writing a load of shite



lee

[SixPackBack]

Recent attempts by the ladies to publicly organise a girl only ride has attracted criticism from some male members.

This got me thinking. Is organising a girl only ride in open forums going against the spirit of KB?
Or should they arrange these rides in secret, or go somewhere else to organise them?

What do you think?


Last time this subject reared its head I pissed and moaned, flapped my wings expecting to change opinions.

All my feirce protestations acheived was to piss people off, some of who still have an unhealthy grudge against me.

So this time a little eloquence and hushed tones should preface my scribblings.

Angel bikers and girls only rides is patronising to women. Suggesting they are weak and feeble, incapable of mixing it with the boys and special in some way the men are not, otherwise men would also have their own forum to vent. A ride based on an 'ism' is illogical and usually not tolerated any where else in society, a ride based on race for instance would cause melt down on KB. Legislation exists to gaurd against Racism, Sexism, Ageism etc. and rightly so. Because of this situation some of us feel less than comfortable with the idealogical direction gender based riding is going. You do not have to agree with my assertions, but trying to understand would be a great sign of respect towards men.

I realise in practice 'girls only rides' are not only no big deal but historically always contain men. So be it, go forth and enjoy I wish you all well.

[Virago]

....All Angel bikers and girls only rides is patronising to women. Suggesting they are weak and feeble.......

Good post SPB.

However, as the attempts at organising women's rides are actually organised by the women themselves, your agument suggests that they are patronising themselves, which is illogical under any ideology.

Any attempt to persuade them not to patronise themselves, is by it's very nature, patronising.

There will always be differences between the sexes. Some women feel that they have a different group riding emphasis and style, to that encountered on male dominated rides, and will naturally want to socialise as a group. Does this suggest that they are weak or feeble? If you think so, then you are indeed patronising.

I appreciate the argument that the Sexism Pendulum has swung too far in today's politically correct society, but you cannot argue or legislate against normal social bonding and interaction.

[Swoop]

Is organising a girl only ride in open forums going against the spirit of KB?
:gob: Are you nuts? At the top of the page it says "A site for ALL NZ motorcyclists"!

Or should they arrange these rides in secret, or go somewhere else to organise them?
Only if "naughty" things might happen... like doing 55 in a 50kmh area...:whistle:

What do you think?
Unfortunately I had to vote "yes" in the poll since there didn't seem to be a "fu*k YEAH - go for it!!!" option.:Punk:

[Unit]

Gixxer only rides, no 250cc rides, 250cc only rides, couples rides, ok so blokes only rides too, who cares? I say yea to anyone willing to even get off their couch and organise a ride in the first place! Sometimes the guys dont want us girls along and just want time out with the 'boys' on their rides, fine by me Im happy to stay home and do my own thing. Not so insecure that I ever feel left out, I'll just go ride my own bike anyways. The point is encouraging, in this example, girls to connect with each other and enjoy being girls out together on bikes. Stag nights are for the boys, hens nights are for the girls, all these catogories form the variety of dynamics that is our society. And besides, Im sure there are bystanders out there that would enjoy seeing a bunch of girls pulling up together on hot bikes. :love:

[Trudes]

And besides, Im sure there are bystanders out there that would enjoy seeing a bunch of girls pulling up together on hot bikes. :love:

Oh believe me, they do!!:shit:

[cowboyz]

um i am a newbie here, well i have been looking in for a year or so but thats another story,i saw in the first couple of pages on this thread that golf was mentioned....."what the f**k has golf got to do with it?"....... i hear you saying.....bear with me peeps......then i see a comment that men only clubs are banned in NZ, soooooo does anyone know what GOLF stands for? if they do then this noble sport is banned in NZ, or it should be......."why?" i hear you cry......well GOLF stands for........Gentlemen Only Ladies Forbidden!


so that doesnt help the debate but i enjoyed writing a load of shite



lee

being as you brought it up.

Yes. Way back when adam was a cowboyz GOLF orginated and it was known for Gentleman only, Ladies forbidden.

Then we let woman play.

Now we have ladies only days on golf courses. Where men can't play because it is reserved for the woman. however woman can play on club days, mens tournaments (they even get the tees put further forward to make the game "fair") There was a time not so long ago where on a "ladies day" (usually wednesdays) NO men at all were allowed to step foot on the course. Nowadays woman have grown up a little bit and simply reserve the first and tenth tees for a few hours. The ladies can have 15-20 ladies show up to play and instead of going off 1 tee and leaving the other 9 for other members to play they will still go off 2 tees and clog up the course.

I don't know why woman went all out for equality.... Don't know why they want to downgrade themselves.

[Lissa]

Last time this subject reared its head I pissed and moaned, flapped my wings expecting to change opinions.

All my feirce protestations acheived was to piss people off, some of who still have an unhealthy grudge against me.

So this time a little eloquence and hushed tones should preface my scribblings.

Angel bikers and girls only rides is patronising to women. Suggesting they are weak and feeble, incapable of mixing it with the boys and special in some way the men are not, otherwise men would also have their own forum to vent. A ride based on an 'ism' is illogical and usually not tolerated any where else in society, a ride based on race for instance would cause melt down on KB. Legislation exists to gaurd against Racism, Sexism, Ageism etc. and rightly so. Because of this situation some of us feel less than comfortable with the idealogical direction gender based riding is going. You do not have to agree with my assertions, but trying to understand would be a great sign of respect towards men.

I realise in practice 'girls only rides' are not only no big deal but historically always contain men. So be it, go forth and enjoy I wish you all well.
Ohhh... Wait a minute!! I know you are a nice guy, cause you told me so, but........ :)

MOST if not all the rides I go on (I ride at least once during the week and in the weekend) contain the majority of males. And its absolutely great!!

I understand where you are coming from.. but 'this' girly ride should be titled more.... "Lets go have a coffee and a little natter and throw in a ride here and there" Thats what girls do. :) And its not like we do 'girly' rides very often, just now and then.. maybe two a year if we are lucky.

But also 'this' girly ride I think we want to be treated a little special.. not just one of the guys, but when we ride up to Quasi's show, believe me, the guys arent going to know what hit them... (trudes is going to wear a bikini) ;) hehe (dont kill me trudes!) Sometimes girls are girls and want to be treated different... (now and then). Do you see where I am coming from?

But I think this dispute is over now isnt it?

[laRIKin]

I'm not reading 15 pagers as it's not going to change my mind.
As I can not for the life of me see why the F#*K not.

Go for it and have fun.:scooter: :scooter: :scooter: :scooter: :scooter: :scooter:

[Trudes]

believe me, the guys arent going to know what hit them... (trudes is going to wear a bikini) ;) hehe (dont kill me trudes!) But I think this dispute is over now isnt it?

With a comment like that, it hasn't even started!! LOL (now the guys are just hanging around to see if we're going to suddenly fall into a pool of jelly for a wrestle....... ahhhh, don't hold your collective breath fellas!) (Oh, BTW, I'd win!):shutup:

[cowboyz]

With a comment like that, it hasn't even started!! LOL (now the guys are just hanging around to see if we're going to suddenly fall into a pool of jelly for a wrestle....... ahhhh, don't hold your collective breath fellas!) (Oh, BTW, I'd win!):shutup:

id pay to see that

[Lissa]

(Oh, BTW, I'd win!):shutup:hehehe... not too sure about that! :shutup:

[earthbound misfit]

Of course they can organise rides if they want to.
I dont know about other chicks out there but i took up riding because i was bored, bored, bored of coffee and shopping expeditions etc.

If it wasnt for guys like Rossi, Agostini, Gardner, riding wouldnt be so inspiring, men and women have different strenghts and qualities, lets focus on the good ones ( groan , as i imagine all the guys out there thinking of women's good qualities and having a special moment)

First do no harm and all that

[Lissa]

Of course they can organise rides if they want to.
I dont know about other chicks out there but i took up riding because i was bored, bored, bored of coffee and shopping expeditions etc.
Good point... one of the reasons I took up riding was to get away from the kids, and to actually drink a full cup of coffee without having to run around after them... Bliss actually. :)

[SixPackBack]

But I think this dispute is over now isnt it?


It certainly is. Ride safe and enjoy your girly moments.:second:

[Draco]

For anyone who is still not convinced that a chicky ride isn't a good thing, go read the posts of the Auckland girly coffee run. There were a bunch of really HAPPY people (who happen to be chicks) who enjoyed a day out sharing an awesome hobby with like minded people. There is too much misery in this world so how can something that makes so many people happy (and hurts no-one) not be a good thing? :slap: :grouphug:

[Motig]

Go for it Girls. After reading some of the crap from the male riders:Punk: you can only do better.

[Bonez]

hehehe... not too sure about that! :shutup:
How's the muffins coming along?

[Lissa]

How's the muffins coming along?
Coming along fine thank you bonez.... Double Chocolate Chip just for the girls :p

[cowboyz]

i thought bonez was a girl?

[Drew]

Angel bikers and girls only rides is 1:patronising to women. Suggesting they are weak and feeble, incapable of mixing it with the boys and special in some way the men are not, otherwise men would also have their own forum to vent. A ride based on an 'ism' is illogical and usually not tolerated any where else in society, a ride based on race for instance would cause melt down on KB. 2: Legislation exists to gaurd against Racism, Sexism, Ageism etc. and rightly so. Because of this situation some of us feel less than comfortable with the idealogical direction gender based riding is going. You do not have to agree with my assertions, but trying to understand would be a great sign of respect towards men.

I realise in practice 'girls only rides' are not only no big deal but historically always contain men. So be it, go forth and enjoy I wish you all well.

1: Patronising how? Anybody wants to ride with likeminded people!

2: You make no point here, rightly so you say, then say it causes us to be less than comfortable? Which is it pal?

Both my highlighted items, suggest, that you are all for equality, and harmony, yet, since men and women seldom compete, or play on the same field, it makes no sense. Physically, men dominate women, (in the big picture girls, my lady could kick my arse,) we run faster, jump higher, and most imortantly, we want to be the best more strongly!
Why would they not want a break from that?
The guys who do go on the girls ride, are not girly, but self confident enough to put ego behind them.

I cant lay claim to being that way myself, but would never try to join the ride with the intension of proving myself.

GIRLS RIDE FOR THOSE WHO WANT IT, and any other group who want thier own scene, GO HARD!!!

[Drew]

The thread titled, "A question for KBers", would have to be, the most debated topic, I've seen here in a long time.

Although it has been dragged off topic a few times, (by the likes of me), it has been discussed by loads of people, with different, yet the same, opinions.

Entertaining all the way.

Thanks for thinkin it up, (even tho', I'm sure you were still half asleep when you started it, (I know I would have been at that hour)) you da man!

[SixPackBack]

All been done before FIZZERMAN.:yes:

[Lissa]

He's a goody alright! :sunny: And he wants to upgrade to a GN, if he works out how to do the petrol thingy. :D

[skelstar]

Nigel is a good guy foreshore :niceone:

[Drew]

I cannot dissagree, but, I was impressed by how long it has run.

Ordinarily, these threads get out of hand, and chucked into PD.

Somehow, this one has remained a debate. Maybe not to KD's cedit, but he started it, and I have no one else to thank.

[Lissa]

I cannot dissagree, but, I was impressed by how long it has run.

Ordinarily, these threads get out of hand, and chucked into PD.

Somehow, this one has remained a debate. Maybe not to KD's cedit, but he started it, and I have no one else to thank.
You can thank me!!!!!!

No only joking... I think its not got out of hand because the Auckland Girls have already been through it, although I cant find the orginal thread about it.

[Drew]

You can thank me!!!!!!

No only joking... I think its not got out of hand because the Auckland Girls have already been through it, although I cant find the orginal thread about it.
Yeah, I was without the interweb when it last reared its head I think. I'd surely have posted something inapropriate if I'd known about it.:yes:

[The Pastor]

Girls cant ride anyways, keeps em away from us speed freaks!

[The_Dover]

by the likes of me!

are you new around here? i don't think i've seen you post before.

[Drew]

are you new around here? i don't think i've seen you post before.
Yep, I dont know nobody:yes:

[Drew]

Girls cant ride anyways, keeps em away from us speed freaks!

Cotroverse, by definition, is to be widely discussed, with a different perspective. Not to say what you think will piss the most people off!

[The Pastor]

Cotroverse, by definition, is to be widely discussed, with a different perspective. Not to say what you think will piss the most people off!

Look all im saying is girls on rides are like picking the fat guy at a work social game of rugby, no one likes picking the fatty but they tolerate it you know,


I don't hate chicks or anything, just time and a place for all things. Motobikes do not mix.

[Lissa]

I don't hate chicks or anything, just time and a place for all things. Motobikes do not mix.Huh? You make no sense... is that why you are voted site shit? :dodge:

[Drew]

I don't hate chicks or anything, just time and a place for all things. Motobikes do not mix.

What the fuck are you on?

Bikes are a way of life for more than just guys. I am aware of loads of chicks who can smoke me, and I'm no slouch, my lady included.


How could you say they dont mix with bikes? I'd love to meet you sometime, and educate you with force, and my lady wants to give you the learn on two wheels!

[skelstar]

I'd love to meet you sometime, and educate you with force...
You'd be joining a fairly long queue around here.

[flame]

Look all im saying is girls on rides are like picking the fat guy at a work social game of rugby, no one likes picking the fatty but they tolerate it you know,


I don't hate chicks or anything, just time and a place for all things. Motobikes do not mix.

bwahahahahahah.......tis all o.k. you poor sole......you've got wee pecker, and thats ok! really!! coz some chicks accept that quite well. Don't feel bad, we've all seen small weeners at some time in our lives, probably when we were small children, Funny how guys like you.......just never managed to reach puberty!!!!!!!


Love to take up the challange of weather chicks can 'ride or not' with you sometime! :yes:

Ya know what???? it's really not a good idea to generalize!

[MikeyG]

Exactamundo.

So all we need to do now is set up a group for the small percentage of guys who have self control and also don't want to be with the chest-beating brigade.

Or they could join the girls ride (refer post #1) :lol:


...or will ride way outside their ability level in an effort to keep up, and lose it horribly...


Maybe I've been living under a rock or something.

I've been attending KB rides for about 2 years - been on almost all of them that have been publicly organised in Auckland over the weekends.

But I've never, ever seen or been subjected to ridicule for being a slow rider, right from my days with a L-plate arriving 20mins plus after the rest of the group.

Hell - people like Loosebruce, Two Smoker, Motoracer, Death, Zed, Aff-man, etc, would be waiting, parked on the side of the road with no helmets on and big welcoming smiles on their faces.

What is this chest beating - pressure to keep up - peepee envy that people are talking about??

Squeak and Yungatart hit the nail on the head. I'm slow and so is my bike and even though I know everyone will wait for me I push it a bit and start stuffing things up because I don't want to make them wait too long. It would also be nice to be able to ride with a few others rather than riding on my own only catching up when they stop to wait only to be left behind until the next stopping point. This happens even on the cruisy rides! Thats why I asked to go on Lissa's ride, because there were others with the same type of bike who I would be able to ride with, not because I wanted to show off in front of chicks.

As justsomeguy says riders are usually good types that will wait but I know they like riding and would rather that they could go out and have a good time without worrying about us slow types - or thats my opinion anyway.


Not saying there shouldn't be girl only rides, just trying to point out that some of the guys like to get away from the testorone atmosphere as well.

[MikeyG]

Enough of this bullshit...how about a singles ride?

It could be like speed dating.

...

Upon approaching the female pack you take turns pulling up to each individual on her bike at say 120kph, first checking that her visor is up and she is of said persuasion, then proceed to yell your best pick up line (animated gesturing is acceptable being that she may not be able to hear you).

...



Brillant, rep given

But my bike won't do 120. Bugger, looks like I am still single then

[The Pastor]

Huh? You make no sense... is that why you are voted site shit? :dodge:

Maybe you could go back to school, learn comprehension or somthing.


What the fuck are you on?

Bikes are a way of life for more than just guys. I am aware of loads of chicks who can smoke me, and I'm no slouch, my lady included.


How could you say they dont mix with bikes? I'd love to meet you sometime, and educate you with force, and my lady wants to give you the learn on two wheels!



bwahahahahahah.......tis all o.k. you poor sole......you've got wee pecker, and thats ok! really!! coz some chicks accept that quite well. Don't feel bad, we've all seen small weeners at some time in our lives, probably when we were small children, Funny how guys like you.......just never managed to reach puberty!!!!!!!


Love to take up the challange of weather chicks can 'ride or not' with you sometime! :yes:

Ya know what???? it's really not a good idea to generalize!

Its funny how everyone who wants to give me the "learn" doesnt live in/near auckland (not saying I live there or not.... err I would travel to aucks to meet up with somone or somthing....)

Im happy to go for a ride with any chick at any time, just not on a group ride with "serrious" bikers like myself. Im sure there is heaps of womens only cooking and cleaning groups you "fellas" can join. Don't worry I'll be fine!



You'd be joining a fairly long queue around here.


p.s If anyone really wants to meet me for a ride it will have to wait for a while my bike is off the road, bent rim / no front fairing / worn carb internals. Should be back on the road in less than 1 month!

[Trudes]

He's been trying to tell me how great he is for years, and now this, geeze!:mellow:
Actually he is pretty good (don't tell him I said that, he might stop trying), so if he's "da man", does that make me "da woman"?:shit:
(On second thoughts, don't answer that!)

[Kendog]

Thats why I asked to go on Lissa's ride, because there were others with the same type of bike who I would be able to ride with, not because I wanted to show off in front of chicks.

I don't think you are getting it yet. It's not about riding with the same type of bikes, if you want this go on a 250 ride, or organise a GN ride. It's about riding with the same type of people, in this case 'girls'.
In the last Wgtn/Rappa girls ride there was all sorts of bikes and speeds, just like any other group ride. And just like any other group ride the faster riders waited for the slower riders at the re group points.


Angel bikers and girls only rides is patronising to women. Suggesting they are weak and feeble, incapable of mixing it with the boys and special in some way the men are not,


I don't hate chicks or anything, just time and a place for all things. Motobikes do not mix.

You guys write like you have never been to Wellington, cause there are plenty girls here that know how to ride bikes. I am sure there are girls that can ride up Auckland way as well, maybe they are so far in front you have not met them yet.

[Kendog]

Thanks guys and girls.

I think having the poll on the thread has helped hold it together. The nay sayers don't have a leg to stand on. The KB public (and Spank Me) have spoken.

I was going to go for a ride today but my helmet is too small now :innocent:

[Colapop]

You suck Nigs! (Trudy told me so.. :innocent: ) Always a pleasure to have reasoned public debate. There have been a couple of good ones on KB in the last couple of months...

[SixPackBack]

You guys write like you have never been to Wellington, cause there are plenty girls here that know how to ride bikes. I am sure there are girls that can ride up Auckland way as well, maybe they are so far in front you have not met them yet.

Kendog you need to reread my post . The key word is [I]suggesting.
I am well aware women can ride just as well if not better than men having ridden on numerous occasions with talented ladies.

Just a stray point but a few people in this thread have failed to either read the posts fully or have poor comprehension.