Alpert B2?

[Redstar]

tomorrow I will be making an oral submittion to transit NZ and the project group on the tolling of the extention of the northern motorway extention
now then this is a major change in the way NZ roads will be funded in the future. My agenda is simple FREE FOR US thats it really I will represent all motorcyclists in NZ maybe you dont care today cause your in Wellington or South Island but its the thin end of the wedge.
I'll be positive and represent us in a professional manner. if you want to come along and support me its at Orewa Square small hall community center Floence ave Orewa 2.30pm I have 5 mins to spill my guts.
If we have to pay then we will be condemed to the old state Highway one or highway 16 and all those great twisties either way we win.

[bgd]

Goodluck with that. If you start paying from the start then it's harder to get it overturned later. Powers that be should appreciate the motorcylce in keeping down congestion and it's relatively low impact on the environment. They never seem to, though. :disapint:

[Lou Girardin]

Good on you, but I fear that the revenue from a handful of bikes is too much for Transit to ignore. Looks like they haven't learnt from the Tauranga toll road debacle.

[sAsLEX]

Good on ya, wont be able to make it but good luck, keep us informed

[SPman]

If we have to pay then we will be condemed to the old state Highway one or highway 16 and all those great twisties either way we win.
Oh No! Not the Waiwera hill with no cars or trucks!!! Anything but that.........!

[What?]

Lou is right. Shit, even the Tauranga council hasn't learned from it's own experience.
BUT - I made a submission to the Tauranga council suggesting they make route K toll-free for bikes on the basis that paying a toll on a bike is a seiously major hassle, and pointed out that any potential income they would lose would be negligable. They obviously accepted my view, as route K is toll-free for bikes.
What Transit need to learn, as does Tauranga council, is that people do not want toll roads. When the tolls were lifted on the Tauranga harbour bridge, traffic crossing numbers went through the roof. Obviously alot of people cosidered driving around the long way was preferable to paying a toll.
Now Tauranga council is going financially toes-up with route K. The tolls collected are barely paying the cost of operating the toll plaza, let alone make any impact on the loan taken to build the road. I would suggest that the same thing will happen with the m/way extension.

[Jackrat]

Good on ya' RS,my understanding is that the funds for this road have already been alocated anyway but somebody is after a bigger slice of the pie.
The last thing we need here is what's happening in some parts of OZ where it can cost up to $10 a day in tolls just to get to the other side of town.
Mind you a car,truck,free Orewa to dome valley does sound kind of nice.
Good luck and thanks mate. :niceone:

[toads]

good luck with it, I really feel for aucklanders, the cost of living up there is quite high enough as it is without adding tolls to the economic burden of the average Joe

[Lou Girardin]

Another article quoted a Transit rep as saying the Alpurt tolls could be used for other transport projects in Auck. All the potential Alpurt users will love that one.

[Redstar]

I went to the submissions meetings and I am advised that Motorcycles will be FREE! :2thumbsup
so that's good if it were down to my submission or not. at least the question has been answered so if the weather is crap we can use the motorway free and when its sunny use the back roads twisties. Its all good :2thumbsup

[Lou Girardin]

You're a star, red.

[Posh Tourer :P]

groan....




Good to hear redstar

[Redstar]

You're a star, red.
:niceone: Thanks mate

[ResidentAngel]

I went to the submissions meetings and I am advised that Motorcycles will be FREE!

I'm sorry - but I've just recieved a pulped tree letter from Annette King saying that motorcycles will be charged at the same rate as cars!
Letter dated 30 January 2007.

She says that "You may be aware that the motorcycle rate on ALPURT is the same as for cars". I am?

I just wrote back and said that "isnt it good that there isnt that much traffic on the Helensville road".

She also said that "incentives for motorcycles are already present in lower capital costs, lower fueld costs per kilometre of travel and lower licence fees."

I suspect that whoever is her advisor is ignorant - the last is definitely NOT true for either getitng a full licence, or for licencing a vehicle. And I suspect that lower capital costs is also not true, provided you look at vehicles of simlar engine size (how on earth did they come up with that comparison? 50cc scooters versus Lexus ?

[Pixie]

Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass?

I think you have the wrong website

[Insanity_rules]

I went to the submissions meetings and I am advised that Motorcycles will be FREE! :2thumbsup
so that's good if it were down to my submission or not. at least the question has been answered so if the weather is crap we can use the motorway free and when its sunny use the back roads twisties. Its all good :2thumbsup

You sir are a true motorcycle evangelist! Glad your in our corner.

[What?]

You want to convince them to have a re-think about tolling bikes?
A simple protest is the trick - organise HEAPS of bike riders to hit the toll booths at rush hour, dismount, remove gloves, get wallet out, hand over $50 note (or $100 if you don't have a $50), get change, put change away, put gloves back on, re-mount and move on. Each rider should make this procedure last maybe 3 minutes. The backlog of traffic will be horrendous and you can be pretty confident that the toll operators will run out of change, too.
A week of that twice a day should do it.

[Macktheknife]

You want to convince them to have a re-think about tolling bikes?
A simple protest is the trick - organise HEAPS of bike riders to hit the toll booths at rush hour, dismount, remove gloves, get wallet out, hand over $50 note (or $100 if you don't have a $50), get change, put change away, put gloves back on, re-mount and move on. Each rider should make this procedure last maybe 3 minutes. The backlog of traffic will be horrendous and you can be pretty confident that the toll operators will run out of change, too.
A week of that twice a day should do it.
You evil bastard!!! I like it!
What a wonderfully devious, nasty malicious piece of social manipulation. Of course it will make every single motorist hate us when we filter through the queue and then take ages to pay the toll, and maybe even inspire some of them to violence. This would give greater news coverage of the ensuring riot, when all the bikers back up one of their own. But that could help in the end as it would mean a greater defence and possible legal support for removing the tolls for bikes as it endangers our safety.
Lets do it!!!!