Porsche 911 turbo vs Bike

[0arbreaka]

Allright people, as some of you may already know I've recently started my new job at Porsche. Today I was talking to one of the salesmen about what would be faster, a new Porsche 911 Turbo (http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-turbo/) or a large sports bike and this guy 'guarunteed' me that the new 911 turbo would beat a bike in a race, either around a track or a drag. I was hoping if some of you would have something to say about this. I offered him a challenge and his response was "we dont have a new 911 turbo at the moment" and I asked would you accept if we got ahold of a new one, his reply was "Im sure management would intervene if we did". I argued with him for quite a while and he still held his opinion that the Porsche would beat a big bike, I would be bloody happy if someone would be able to prove hime wrong. And im sure he'd scuttle off with his tail between his legs if Porsche lost as well.

Pat

[_intense_]

have you tried "porsche 911 turbo vs. bike / r1 / busa / fireblade" on youtube?

[McJim]

Here's one the bike would win:

7:45am Monday morning - Otahuhu to Ponsonby along Southern Motorway - even my VTR250 would piss all over a Porsche 911 Turbo aong that route.

On a standard race track the car will be able to corner faster - acceleration from zero the bike will have an advantage due to power to weight ratio - traditionally all track records are held by 4 wheels not 2.

In short bikes require more talent to ride. You might find a bike that will beat it over a quarter of a mile though.

[Deviant Esq]

Around the track, not a contest, the Porker wins reasonably comfortably. So much more rubber on the road, brake much later, corner faster. That's been done to death by so many people it's not funny. Have a search around these forums or YouTube for car vs bike around a racetrack...

In a drag race though, depending on the bike, it's a different story. Good rider on a decent machine should be able to win the drag race.

[APPLE]

yeh dunno aye?those cars chuck out alot of horses?with a really good driver behind the wheel???who knows???

[Motu]

The 911 has a shit load of traction on the rear wheels,so even a drag would be questionable.

But the defining test is - you can't afford a Porsche 911.So have fun on your cheap bike,and have to change clothes and comb your hair when you get to work.

And in a 911 you can pick any chick you like up from the curb....no matter what she is wearing.

[Quartermile]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N6jCNyFn9M

I'm putting this on here saying that

>R1 Beats it in the starting drag
>R1 is in fact not the 'cream' of bikes and leaves a lot to be desired from,Ninja Gixxer and Fireblade
>Look at the price difference of the vehicles
>I bet the bike had a lot more fun doing this
>I have more to bitch on the topic

:Punk: :Punk: :Punk:

[0arbreaka]

Im still holding my opinion that a bike would beat the car overall.

[Quartermile]

I'm with you on that:D

[Ghost_Bullet]

Damn the car is hell nice, but be damned forkin' out 200k for the thrill, the bike though not as quick on the corners, gotta be a greata feelin.

[Simon A]

As has been said, the car will be quicker around corners. Drag race would be pretty close, new 911 Turbo will do 0-100 in around 3.8 seconds I think (4.0s for the manual).
Where do you work, Conti's or Giltraps?


Damn the car is hell nice, but be damned forkin' out 200k for the thrill, the bike though not as quick on the corners, gotta be a greata feelin.

More like $320k for the car in question!

[Deviant Esq]

Im still holding my opinion that a bike would beat the car overall.
Like I said, and has been done to death on here... it won't. You're entirely welcome to defend bikes honour, hell, I do, and we all know you need a somewhat steelier sack to ride a bike fast than to drive a car fast... but the simple fact is most of the time a fast car is faster than a fast bike around a racetrack. It's not really something bikes can change either, just because of the disparity in the amount of rubber on the road. But... could you find a car for the same price as a brand new GSXR1000 ($19,995) that could beat it around the track? Hell, no. Is the bike having more fun, even if it loses? Hell yes. Could justabout anyone drive the car pretty damn fast, while it takes a skillful rider to be fast on track? You bet.

Most of us on here love bikes, but we also know that round the track the car should win most of the time.

[avgas]

mabey we are looking at this the wrong way. how about a jawa 350 vs a lada samara?
FYI about the drag strip thing - how many cars come out of the box with a 10 sec 1/4? cos i know a few bikes that do. Not even a std Porsche can do that.

[doc]

I've got a video clip of a ZX10 vs Porche vs F16 on a runway in europe somewhere. Bike first off then jet passes it like it was stopped and about a month later the Porche passes with higher top speed.

[Mr. Peanut]

On a drag strip, the bike wins provided you can keep the front wheel down. Whether or not the bike wins on the track depends on the circuit. Taupo for instance would not be a good idea!

In the real world the Porsche gets stuck behind a truck!

:rockon:

[Motu]

In the real world the Porsche gets stuck behind a truck!


In the real world you can't afford a Porsche - so go and have a shit load of fun on your value for money bike.Leave the Porsche owner sweating in his suit ripping people off to make the money for his toy.

Mind you,as a mechanic I'm supposed to spend my life ripping people off - how come I can't afford a new R1 let alone a Corolla?

[jahrasti]

In the real world you can't afford a Porsche - so go and have a shit load of fun on your value for money bike.Leave the Porsche owner sweating in his suit ripping people off to make the money for his toy.

Mind you,as a mechanic I'm supposed to spend my life ripping people off - how come I can't afford a new R1 let alone a Corolla?

Thats because it is a vicious circle, you rip us off, the govt rips us all off.

[Motu]

I like WINZ quotes - I have to double my estimate because they pay me before I even start the job.....then they increase the customers benifit to cover the repayments.It's a win/win.

[MaxB]

Here are some for your discussion with the salesman. I work with car nuts. I got these figures from a Porsche fanatic. US Spec 480bhp 4wd 911 Turbo. 0-60 3.8s, ss1/4 12.4s, top speed 192 mph. Add an S-pack inc. gearbox and it goes up to 520bhp.

By way of comparison the original ZX12R and Hayabusa both topped 192 before the 'voluntary' 300km/h limit was applied to Japanese bikes. I have figures for a stock ZX14 of 0-60 2.5s, ss1/4 9.7s@142mph and 188 mph top speed (restrictor in place). These figs were obtained by a lightweight professional on a drag strip with non-stock tyres. Its still very fast.

As you can see they are quite evenly matched but the bikes accelerate a lot quicker. On the road this translates to 'get in front then stay in front'.

Ride safe.

[Guitana]

Ja Ja und der Germans build ze best sports cars in ze vorld!!! Ach we can beat anything on two Veels viz ze best german engineered Porsche 911!

Who won the Fucken WAR Fritz?????? Yeah thats right we did!!!!!! We won the war in your fucken face!!!!

Go back to building tanks and I'll put an order in for one Panzer!!

Sorry having a bad day!!! Carry on!:shit: :shit: :shit: :shit:

Bike 1 Porsche 0

[Hans]

I like WINZ quotes - I have to double my estimate because they pay me before I even start the job.....then they increase the customers benifit to cover the repayments.It's a win/win.

I know it's a bit off topic, but I used to work for the ministry and it's not what happens. They deduct it from their benefit in weekly installments until it's paid off.

Rant over.

[XP@]

hangs head in shame...

I took one on setting off from the lights on the motorway a couple of weeks ago. Up to about 60k i was not doing too badly then i had to change gear and left it a tad late and his turbo seemed to kick in.

But, although he got passed me, that is all he did, i was not left for standing (probably would have been if we not backed off at 135).

Also I can still have a big smile because:
* I did manage to pull quite a nice wheely in the process.
* I did miss a gear change so could have kept up a tad longer.
* I only paid $12.5k for my bike - how much was paid for the car?

[Finn]

In the real world you can't afford a Porsche - so go and have a shit load of fun on your value for money bike.Leave the Porsche owner sweating in his suit ripping people off to make the money for his toy.

You really do have a chip on your shoulder. What makes you think Porsche owners rip people off to pay for their cars? I know it's a crime to live outside of poverty in NZ but some people do make good money and don't have to steal or get their fingers dirty doing it.

By the way, a 911 Turbo is 4WD (referring to your earlier post about it putting heaps of rubber down on the rear)

[HRT]

Depend a lot on the bike you're putting against I would imagine.

Have to remember the new 911 turbos are up about 50kW (ish, I think) on the older model and have the torque a lot more readily available with the variable geometry turbos. Depending on track/strip I'd guess car on the track and bike on the strip.

Too many variables to make a call though

[Brett]

Standard answer...average race track, not one that favours high speed machines with minimal corners, top litre bike versus something like a Porsche 911 turbo, Porsche will win. Bike can't compete with lateral traction or braking. Plain and simple physics.

[Motu]

You really do have a chip on your shoulder. What makes you think Porsche owners rip people off to pay for their cars? I know it's a crime to live outside of poverty in NZ but some people do make good money and don't have to steal or get their fingers dirty doing it.

By the way, a 911 Turbo is 4WD (referring to your earlier post about it putting heaps of rubber down on the rear)

Well I was thinking of lawyers - but my lawyer is a really cool dude so I retract that statement.

Doesn't matter if it's 4x4 or not (I've got a 4x4 too y'know) it would probably have to back off the proportioning to the front anyway.Any 911 would have more available traction than just about any other vehicle on the road from a standing start.It has weight in all the wrong places.....except for getting off the line....probably kill clutches though.

[sidecar bob]

A mate of mine (He's now married to my ex) Had a Porsche 911/ 996 non turbo & a Ducati 999s both at the same time until his wench (HaHa,whos laughing now sucker) made him sell them.
The Porsche even as a non turbo absolutely urinated on the 999 in every situation gauranteed.

[doc]

You really do have a chip on your shoulder. What makes you think Porsche owners rip people off to pay for their cars? I know it's a crime to live outside of poverty in NZ but some people do make good money and don't have to steal or get their fingers dirty doing it.

By the way, a 911 Turbo is 4WD (referring to your earlier post about it putting heaps of rubber down on the rear)
Calm down Finn. You don't want another Volkswagen.

[doc]

A mate of mine (He's now married to my ex)
That is some friend, not many would do that for ya would they. Best I've heard is my Gay Brother-in-laws partner, ran away with his wife's best frIends husband.

[Two Smoker]

Straight Line: Street Bike will win easy. These on NZ drag strips are capable of 10 second flat 1/4 mile times. I know personally that the late dss3 put down a 10.01 on a stock Yamaha R1. Race spec bike (if you have 320k for a porsche, im sure 60k for a race prepped bike is pocket change) Bruce Anstey at the IOMTT had a top speed of 207mph.

Track: Street Bike will be close with a Porsche. For instance Pukekohe, Andrew Stroud did a 59 second lap on a stock K3 thousand. Race prepped Porsche GT3 does 60 second laps (might be 59's) around the same track. Make it a race bike, and there is no contest. Robbie Bugden set the lap record at 56.698... Almost V8 supercar territory...

[Simon A]

Well I was thinking of lawyers - but my lawyer is a really cool dude so I retract that statement.

Doesn't matter if it's 4x4 or not (I've got a 4x4 too y'know) it would probably have to back off the proportioning to the front anyway.Any 911 would have more available traction than just about any other vehicle on the road from a standing start.It has weight in all the wrong places.....except for getting off the line....probably kill clutches though.

I don't get this. So you think they are good or bad? All Porsches from the 993 on are very well sorted machines with great weight distribution considering where the engine is. Not many Porsches will kill their clutches, of course the drongo driving it is probably capable of killing the clutch but that can be done in any high powered car that has a lot of traction.

[Motu]

I don't get this. .

Well,lawyers charge hundreds of dollars an hour - just seems a ripoff when you talk to them for 10 minutes on the phone and get a bill for $600.

A rear engine Porsche (all the way back to the Volkswagon) has a lot of weight at the rear,a lot of polar inertia.Yes the modern ones are well sorted,but it has taken decades,not years.I mean they are good for traction over the rear wheels....more traction than a 300hp front wheel drive.If the wheels don't slip,the clutch will.....and of course the clutch is built to take it,but it will take more punishment than the same HP through the front wheels,just because it can take more power.

[Simon A]

Well,lawyers charge hundreds of dollars an hour - just seems a ripoff when you talk to them for 10 minutes on the phone and get a bill for $600.


I got that bit, but thanks anyway. It seemed like you were bagging and praising the Porsche all within a couple of sentences.

[avgas]

Ok how about this one RS200 (cozzie for those who dont know) vs RZ500?
I would pay alot of money to see that :yes:

[nudemetalz]

Ok how about this one RS200 (cozzie for those who dont know) vs RZ500?
I would pay alot of money to see that :yes:

Funny you should say that but many years ago, I owned an RZ500 at the same time a mate owned an RS500 (the real deal here) Cossie Sierra.
While we never lined them up, I went in that when he was running about 500hp.
Goddamn it was quick !!!!!!!!! :gob:
My RZ500 would have been beaten for sure !!

[Fat Tony]

I argued with him for quite a while and he still held his opinion that the Porsche would beat a big bike, I would be bloody happy if someone would be able to prove him wrong.

Here's a link to video that a couple of mates filmed at the Nurburging a couple of years ago. They're quick lads, 'ring regulars, and both on litre sports bikes. Towards the middle of the lap you'll see that they meet Sabine in her BMW Ring Taxi, then at about 5'20" into the video a Porker joins in the fun.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2170327835244165398&q=speedfreak

I have to say, I was blown away by the performance of the Porkers when I did the 'ring last year... scared the hell out of me knowing they were inches away from my rear wheel and wanting the line I was taking... f***ing good fun though

[Finn]

A mate of mine (He's now married to my ex) Had a Porsche 911/ 996 non turbo & a Ducati 999s both at the same time until his wench (HaHa,whos laughing now sucker) made him sell them.
The Porsche even as a non turbo absolutely urinated on the 999 in every situation gauranteed.

I don't think so Bob. The 999 would nail the Porsche it in a straight line. With both on the edge, the Porsche would out break and out corner the 999.

[XP@]

Towards the middle of the lap you'll see that they meet Sabine in her BMW Ring Taxi, then at about 5'20" into the video a Porker joins in the fun.
Then what happens to the porker, kinda sad.
Sadder is the end of the vid when the beemer ain't getting passed on the str8.

ah well we still have the fun ;-)

[imdying]

Ok how about this one RS200 (cozzie for those who dont know) vs RZ500?
I would pay alot of money to see that :yes:
I raced a Sierra Cosworth against my RZ500. RZ was dead cold, and took a block to come on song... but I wasn't gonna lose :no: RZ 1, Sierra Cosworth nil :yes:

[XP@]

Was just thinking...
They are both ROAD vehicules so what would happen on a real road?
Not european motorways or even SH1 and over an interesting distance say 1000kms.

That would be an interesting race for the top gear guys ....

[davereid]

On one of the Ghost Rider videos he takes on a BMW Roadster. Not exactly sure of the model, but the voice over claims its BMs best, and being driven by a top swedish race driver.

On real swedish roads in real traffic he seldom has to pass 5000 rpm to keep on its ass. On a couple of big sweeping roundabouts it gets away, but its easily pulled in by the bike.

At other points in the video, swedish police are chasing him. They appear to be in 300HP V70s - not super-cars, but still seriously fast. He lets them catch up, and then waves ta-ta over and over.

So..

Cars out-brake bikes (just)
Cars out-corner bikes (easily)
Bikes out-accelerate cars (easily 0-80, less easily 0-160)
Bikes out-manoevure cars (easily, more traffic the better)
Bikes have equivalent, or faster top speeds
I can afford a Bike
I like Biker chicks

er, what was I talking about ?

:rockon:

[avgas]

lucky bastards and your ability to own an rz500. I raced my sisters ex agaisnst his street dragcar (Sunbird, 430hp 350 chev, fibreglass tail, stage 2 box) against my lowly RZ250 - i had him till about 120, but i was still a rookie as this was only my first road bike.
By the time i was allowed to buy an RZ500 they cost more than the average r1:bye:
Got the sunbird owner back 2 years later with the RG150, while my rg was getting tuned to perfection, his sunbird was getting neglected. At dragwars 1 night the challenge was put up and i ran a 13.8.....he ran a 14.2 :lol: everyone gave him shit cos it used to be an 11 sec car.

[imdying]

RZ500 was my first big bike... brought it the day I turned 18. Would like another... but they're pretty slow and heavy compared to anything made in the last 5 years (at least). Nothing sound quite like them though... I was tempted to buy the two for sale here recently, but... it's a big $$$$ commitment to restoring them. To really get the most out of my two stroker dreams, I suspect I'd actually be better off building a 300cc NSR with the Tyga hop up bits. Probably make more power than the RZ, and half the weight :lol:

[The Pastor]

Bikes have equivalent, or faster top speeds


:rockon:

No they don't only a few.

[skaz]

I read a article in MOTOR magazine some time last year, new porche 911 turbo vs r1 round a track, the r1 beat it by a small margin. They also had a bit in the following magazine about a race on a different track, the bike won again but they were close.
It had speed readouts while round the track, the car held better mid and entry corner speed but couldnt match the bike out of the corner. All depends on track and rider/driver really.

[Edbear]

I read a article in MOTOR magazine some time last year, new porche 911 turbo vs r1 round a track, the r1 beat it by a small margin. They also had a bit in the following magazine about a race on a different track, the bike won again but they were close.
It had speed readouts while round the track, the car held better mid and entry corner speed but couldnt match the bike out of the corner. All depends on track and rider/driver really.



Yo' quite right! However, I also know that if one considers what are the highest performing two and four wheeled vehicles, ie: MotoGP and F1, the F1 cars are quicker around any track. Their braking ability actually ripples the surface and the G-forces they can pull in cornering and braking far outweigh the bikes. You need to know the equivalent performance capabilities of machine and rider/driver and for this reason there will always be the debate.

[Paulus]

Australian MC News did a track race between a Gixxer 1000K5 and a 911 Turbo at Wakefield Park in July 05. The Porsche had the ceramic brake upgrade option which cost more than the entire GSX-R! Bike was about a second per lap faster and was actually quicker through some corners (but slower through most of them). It won because of its enormous acceleration advantage over the turbo Porsche (doesn't that sound cool having an enormous accleration advantage over a 911 turbo?). Makes for a good read if you can find the back issue.

[avgas]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=43141&highlight=puss

[Motu]

I guess this has been shown before plenty of times,but it shows most of us haven't got a clue about what makes a fast vehicle.....we have so many preconcieved ideas and are always biased to our own favorites.

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=3624337653720181416

[avgas]

I guess this has been shown before plenty of times,but it shows most of us haven't got a clue about what makes a fast vehicle.....we have so many preconcieved ideas and are always biased to our own favorites.

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=3624337653720181416

The problem with electric vehicles is not the motor. Its always going to be the power supply. I've got a couple of ideas for electric motorbikes at the moment. But its a bit of a cross roads as i want atleast 72v supply (otherwise the acceleration for a sport bike it would be worth it) - and i also want a mileage of 1-2 hours continuous use without charging. Also by running solar panels i would have issues providing the voltage.
Over in the states they have 4kW electric bikes doing 12 sec 1/4's

[more_fasterer]

I'm going to throw my 0.5 cents into the thread by telling a little story...

What got me into bikes in the first place was cruising around Sydney on the back of my uncle's Thunderace 10 years ago. After stopping off at Bondi and admiring the talent, we set off back towards the harbour tunnel and a 911 turbo (993) pulled up beside us at the lights and wanted to flex his (small) muscle.

End results were:
- One perfect launch (front wheel about 10cm off the tarmac all thru 1st),
- One novice pillion realising the grab-rail doesn't really cut it in those situations,
- And one 911 left dropping back rather quickly behind the Yammy.

Bikes FTW!

[5cotty]

I say never let the facts get in the way having a go at cage dweller.

The $$ to Fun Ratio will always stack up on the side of a bike. Know anyone who bought a new car for less than $15K
(if there is one) that could put a permanent smile on your face??

:spanking: :rockon:

[0arbreaka]

Exactly, bikes are waaay better value for money in so many ways

[McJim]

Exactly, bikes are waaay better value for money in so many ways
Yup -
0-100 in under 3 secs on a bike about $25,000
0-100 in under 5 secs in a car about $1,200,000
Watching a smug millionaire eat yer dust....priceless :)

[KLOWN]

Cars willl win on the track. they have all the room they need. On the road bikes are much better. Cars also have the aerodynamics to keep them on the road for better high speed cornering. But bikes are more fun and cooler. :yes:

some of the minis that are racing will have faster lap times then the turbo porshes around puke

[jtzzr]

It was BOTS weekend and I was coming through the Clevedon- Maraetai rd and a guy in a Porshe turbo overtook a car than I overtook said car , then the guy nails it , so I thought to myself this could be fun and started chasing him , I knew I couldn`t catch him but he certainly couldn`t lose me , he was braking in corners ( I wasn`t ), so we were pootling along at about 160 came around a corner , and then it happened , thats right a line of cars , both of us hard on the picks , and I shit you not the guy in the Porshe puts his hand out the window and gives me a wave , Man did I feel all giddy ,anyway as I passed him I slowed down lifted my visor and said "Nice car" he gave me another wave ,and then I was gone , his girlfriend was laughing , that was so cool . True story

[McJim]

I loaned my VTR out the other week and had to take the missus RG150 to work. Coz it's a 2 smoker and needs plenty of revs to take off at the lights some geezer in a sporty nissan thought I was revving for a race. We were neck and neck for a fair distance before I realised that a side on collision wouldn't be good for my legs so eased off as the road narrowed.

Gave him a friendly wave 5 seconds later as I lane split past him!

[HRT]

Yup -
0-100 in under 3 secs on a bike about $25,000
0-100 in under 5 secs in a car about $1,200,000
Watching a smug millionaire eat yer dust....priceless :)

I certainly hope you're meaning mph there...

[McJim]

I certainly hope you're meaning mph there...
Of course - what other method of speed measurement is there? kph - that's fine if you're French but we're British old boy! :rofl:

[Beemer]

Allright people, as some of you may already know I've recently started my new job at Porsche. Today I was talking to one of the salesmen about what would be faster, a new Porsche 911 Turbo (http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-turbo/) or a large sports bike and this guy 'guarunteed' me that the new 911 turbo would beat a bike in a race, either around a track or a drag. I was hoping if some of you would have something to say about this. I offered him a challenge and his response was "we dont have a new 911 turbo at the moment" and I asked would you accept if we got ahold of a new one, his reply was "Im sure management would intervene if we did". I argued with him for quite a while and he still held his opinion that the Porsche would beat a big bike, I would be bloody happy if someone would be able to prove hime wrong. And im sure he'd scuttle off with his tail between his legs if Porsche lost as well.

Pat

You say you've just started a new job at Porsche. Getting into a shit fight with a salesman as to whether your employer's product would be beaten by a bike is an interesting tactic for securing your long-term employment chances!

[0arbreaka]

It wasnt really a shit fight over it, he just reckoned that the new 911 turbo would beat a big bike and I said that I thought a bike would beat the Porsche, it wasnt really anything to serious.

Btw, its not the best job, pays crap, but its a source of income for me which I need. Im not really intending on staying there for a really long time as I want to go to uni at some stage.