Can cops do this???

[krazy_karl]

Well i got a ticket in the weekend in my car for going 71km/h in a 50 (i know stupid and highly reckless)... the thing was when i asked to see the readout on there radar unit in the cop car it showed my speed as being locked at 67. i asked the cop why he was doing me for 71 when it showed 67 as my locked speed. His reply was well we saw it go up to 71 so thats what im writing the ticket for!!!! can they do this?? it another 15 more demerit points for a 71km/h ticket than it is for 67km/h so thats why i want to know if i can complain about this or has anyone else has been in a similar situation and manged to get it waived?

[The Pastor]

nah he shouldnt be able to do that, and i don't think radar counts "up" and if it did, surly it would record the highest speed.


Sounds like bullshit to me.


But theres prob not much you can do except bend over and take it up the ass.


I got given 75 demerits in 1 go once. That was fun........

[Karma]

Apparently they don't have to show you anything.

When a copper did 6 people on the thursday ride some time ago and we asked for proof he basically said;

"cos I said so"

And that's all they need... because the police, by their very nature, are truth incarnate.

[Ozzie]

Complain, ask for a hearing, object, it might not get you off, but it worked for me. It took a year and a half, but got the call....

Mr ?, we are dropping the charge without prejudice!

Roll over = get screwed

fight ligitimately = possibly still get screwed, but, if you don't try, you wont know!

[Fub@r]

Fight it on principal. My understanding is that its your right to be able to see the radar reading for verification so there can be no dispute. I would argue to the police that you are prepared to pay the infringement for 67kph but not 71kph. I would also write to the Police in Wellington for written verification that yes or no an officer can issue a ticket that differs to the radar reading.

[NighthawkNZ]

Fight it on principal. My understanding is that its your right to be able to see the radar reading for verification so there can be no dispute. I would argue to the police that you are prepared to pay the infringement for 67kph but not 71kph. I would also write to the Police in Wellington for written verification that yes or no an officer can issue a ticket that differs to the radar reading.

Say your GPS unit max speed at those co-ordinates your were only doing 63 (4kph dopler shift error)

oh the problem there is you need to have a GPS, that tracks... doh

[krazy_karl]

yea i figured because he did let me see the reading then surely i can fight it either in court or by writing a letter to wellington to try and get it lowered to 67. of course i would prefer to get off it altogether but i dont think thats gonna happen. if i do go to court will i have to pay extra court costs or anything if i lose?

[Ozzie]

yea i figured because he did let me see the reading then surely i can fight it either in court or by writing a letter to wellington to try and get it lowered to 67. of course i would prefer to get off it altogether but i dont think thats gonna happen. if i do go to court will i have to pay extra court costs or anything if i lose?

perhaps, maybe another $20 or so, mine didn't get that far. Maybe someone else can add a thought, but I think it is your right, without being penalised for opting that way.

I could be wrong.

The ph. numbers will be on the ticket, look at it, ring them up, ask the question.....

Nothing to lose!

[BornToLean]

Yes they can.
Apparently if they see it on the radar, then that's good enough. All they do is write the circumstances in their little black book, then this becomes evidence if you take it to court.
Just pay the fine and carry on, a bit slower!

[Maha]

Apparently they don't have to show you anything.

When a copper did 6 people on the thursday ride some time ago and we asked for proof he basically said;

"cos I said so"

And that's all they need... because the police, by their very nature, are truth incarnate.

Surely you dont believe that!...if you ask they must show you
And as for the ''cos i said so''....'fuck off show me' would be my answer if thats the attitude he took, i too would evolve and attitude...


Yes they can.



So basically...they can say you were doing any speed they think of at the time and you have accept that?..... dont think so dude. Na mate i wouldn't the ticket that KK got go without an arguement....

[Karma]

Surely you dont believe that!...if you ask they must show you
And as for the ''cos i said so''....'fuck off show me' would be my answer if thats the attitude he took, i too would evolve and attitude...

You can say what you like mate, just as I can stand on the shore and tell the tide not to come in.

[krazy_karl]

interesting ay.... pretty much cops can claim you were doing watever speed they see on their unit thats pretty gay it seems to me to be a good way at getting the public more annoyed at the police in this country.to me it just seems like revenue gathering as 71 is just in the next bracket for price and demerits. should only be allowed to ticket you at the locked on speed

[raster]

Let us know how you get on.

[scracha]

Don't waste your time writing to the infringement buerocrats in Wellington, they just don't listen to reason. The cops don't really give a f#ck about the implications an extra couple of Km can do to your bank balance. In fact, I don't think most give a f#ck about the road safety implications either. They're just doing their overpaid job and points make prizes. Quite scary that in a country with such a dubious police honesty record that a cops word is seen as gospel.

Pay the fine buddy.

[vamr]

Yep $130 last time I went.

Haha, was pulled up by a cop the other day who mentioned you personally as having a deep hatred for him and his kind.

[ZeroIndex]

Well i got a ticket in the weekend in my car for going 71km/h in a 50 (i know stupid and highly reckless)... the thing was when i asked to see the readout on there radar unit in the cop car it showed my speed as being locked at 67. i asked the cop why he was doing me for 71 when it showed 67 as my locked speed. His reply was well we saw it go up to 71 so thats what im writing the ticket for!!!! can they do this?? it another 15 more demerit points for a 71km/h ticket than it is for 67km/h so thats why i want to know if i can complain about this or has anyone else has been in a similar situation and manged to get it waived?

Probably not... now you know for future reference when you get caught speeding

[Muddy_Funster]

Don't waste your time writing to the infringement buerocrats in Wellington, they just don't listen to reason. The cops don't really give a f#ck about the implications an extra couple of Km can do to your bank balance. In fact, I don't think most give a f#ck about the road safety implications either. They're just doing their overpaid job and points make prizes. Quite scary that in a country with such a dubious police honesty record that a cops word is seen as gospel.


You have obviously never dealt with Police overseas. The majority of them are much much much worse.

[The_Dover]

Is that so? Who was that and what did he say?

could be old rusty bollocks.

I'd tell the pigs to get fucked and flee to a more civilised country, live Myanmar.

[The_Dover]

It's ok speedie, I have enough hatred for the both of us.

[billyvan]

I always thought they had to show you the speed if you asked as well, and that what they locked was what the ticket was supposed to be for.

Interesting story from many years ago (RX7 Days)

Very late at night, traveling home from girlfriends place (I'm sure you all know the drill), car coming in opposite direction seems to have slightly brighter than usual headlights so I had funny thought mite be a cop, It was in a build up area so I was going round a round about when I saw it in the distance so checked speed and was under 50, carried on up the road and sure enough when we crossed it was a cop, he did the big swing around and zapped up behind me and flicked the lights on.

I pulled over, got out and met him at the back of the car, he says "did you realise you were doing 75 in a 50?" my response was "no I wasn't!" so it caries on with yes you were, etc, so I asked to see the speed on the radar, he says, "well its not locked in but make sure I keep my speed down" and tells be to bugger off!

I'll always remember that weird little run in!

[NighthawkNZ]

I know of stories where the cop will get a lock on one vehicle of the speed and then not reset it and use that lock on all others for a period of time... and in reality they wouldn't have the foggest what speed you were doing. (Alexandra cops have been known to do this)

[kiwifruit]

They can do what they want. If you pay it you are accepting it. Let a judge decide the outcome if you feel you have a case (you do IMHO)

[Sanx]

I used to think, before I had run-ins with the law, that the over-riding principle of justice in this country was that you were guilty until proven innocent beyond reasonable doubt. To prove, one requires proof - which in this day and age usually means evidence.

However, as we all know, in cases like this, the Police do not have to provide actual evidence; all they have to do is turn up and state that "I, Officer ZL666 Snake, saw this reckless hooligan doing 50.5 in the 50 zone". The JPs then take it as read without any actual proof at all.

It shouldn't be too difficult to have some form of logging built into the radar or laser units the cops use. It records each time the unit is triggered, what speed it records, and then timestamps it. That could be independently verified. The unit would also have to be calibrated each morning and if car-mounted, the speedo of the car calibrated each morning as well. Obviously the devices used for calibration would need to be themselves calibrated. This is common practice overseas. In the UK, it's a requirement and leads to a number of tickets being overridden because the Police haven't followed their own rules. Any break in the evidence or calibration chain, and the whole lot becomes invalid.

As I understand it, radar devices can show instantaneous speed. However, until a reading is locked, the radar is constantly painting the target and recalculating speeds. This can be affected by any other traffic present and those kinds of radar have relatively wide beams. The radar does not necessarily lock onto the fastest-moving target; it locks onto the biggest one. The radar can also shift between targets mid-paint, so to speak ... which causes the odd spurious reading. That's why the radar devices can lock: it ensures the reading is consistent by examining a number of paints over a small period of time.

KK - I'd fight it. First off write the the Police Infringement Bureau. Be polite, lay out the facts in a clear chronological fashion, and point out the discrepancy between the speed indicated on the ticket and the speed displayed on the radar. Also point out that you queried it then and there, and that the officer stated that his own radar reading was incorrect. Point out the increased fine / demerit penalty resultant from the 4kph difference in speeds and (if you're happy - relatively speaking - with accepting a ticket for 67kph) state so. At the end of the day, such a letter can only work in your favour. If you later go to court, the fact you've already raised the point with the cops and received short shrift from them will strengthen your case.

Drop me a PM if you want a hand writing the letter.

[peasea]

I know of stories where the cop will get a lock on one vehicle of the speed and then not reset it and use that lock on all others for a period of time... and in reality they wouldn't have the foggest what speed you were doing. (Alexandra cops have been known to do this)

That's what I reckon happened to me on Easter Monday. I admit I was exceeding the posted 80kph but not doing 111. I'm going to have my say in court, who cares about the court costs if you lose? It's only a few extra bucks. The more people that challenge this revenue-gathering system the better. I can recall speed cameras being introduced to catch the "top ten percent" yet stat's show that the majority of tickets issued are for speeds between 111 and (I think) 118pkh. Hardly the top ten percent. Todays bikes and cars can happily and economically cruise at 115kph all day long (many can do it at higher speeds), they have great braking systems, handling capabilities etc. At the right time, in the right place, I often travel faster than 115 but that's a punt I take. I can recall the last time I was ticketed for doing 117 on SH1, in the forest just south of Tokaroa, (beaut day, alone on the road etc) and even though there wasn't another vehicle for miles and I was super-polite there was no way I was going get off or get a reduction. So, I got shitty and went 140-150 plus all the way to Taupo. Great ride!

[vamr]

Is that so? Who was that and what did he say?

Never got his name... receding blondish hair and a run of the mill round-the-clock beard.

Just went into a speech how many have tried fighting tickets but have never succeeded *insert grin here*.
And how KB has some bad apples such as that speedie ambo guy who has been saying mean hurtful things in regards to this cop in question while being stopped only once.

[Sanx]

I know which street he lives in, in Whangaparaoa, and know that he often will wheelstand his GSXR in his residential street. What sort of standard is this for someone who in the next hour will pull over motorcyclists on country roads for doing 120?

Borrow a video camera, sit in an inoccuous car (preferably one that isn't yours) and tape him at it. Then lay a complaint, and make it bloody obvious that you'll refer the matter to the Police Complaints Authority if it isn't followed up properly. Also demand to kow the outcome of the complaint. A few demerit points on his licence and a hefty fine should go some way to curing his hypocrisy. And if (and it's a distinct possibility) he should get a ban, it'll have one more wanker off the road for a time.

Even if you don't get the video, should you get signed statements from other KB members that he's been slagging you off to other bikers when he stops them, I'd raise the matter with the Police Complaints Authority anyway. You'll need proof (the statements) but I imagine it would be take very seriously. This is not just some other bloke slagging you off; it's an Police officer slandering you during the course of his duties. It's unwarranted, uncalled for and illegal.

And if I ever have the misfortune to be stopped by him and he mentions your name or alias, I'll raise a complaint myself.

[Sidewinder]

Well i got a ticket in the weekend in my car for going 71km/h in a 50 (i know stupid and highly reckless)... the thing was when i asked to see the readout on there radar unit in the cop car it showed my speed as being locked at 67. i asked the cop why he was doing me for 71 when it showed 67 as my locked speed. His reply was well we saw it go up to 71 so thats what im writing the ticket for!!!! can they do this?? it another 15 more demerit points for a 71km/h ticket than it is for 67km/h so thats why i want to know if i can complain about this or has anyone else has been in a similar situation and manged to get it waived?

theres one thing that cops can do and that is get fucked and suck my cock the do to many bullshit things and ive had them happen. i got told by the cops that i ran a red light when i no it was a green arrow they just wanted to pull me over

[krazy_karl]

thanks for all the advice and 'comments' and to billyvan i was in my RX7 at the time think that probably didnt help my case much. cop had already judged me as a boy racer before i even pulled over i think

[Aitch]

Go ask a lawyer. Might cost you a few bucks (the difference between a ticket for 71 and 67 perhaps), but what the hell, it's only money!

[Sanx]

Free legal advice is usually worth exactly what you pay for it!

Very true, but my free legal advice comes with a money-back guarantee :done:

[peasea]

Very true, but my free legal advice comes with a money-back guarantee :done:

Good point BUT!
Back in the day I had a big-time legal beagle represent me and a mate in Welly. It cost us but I walked on a DIC (right or wrong but the best is yet to come, I was only just over) and my mate walked on his third assault on an MOT officer. Reasons? 1) One lied in the box and got sprung and 2) Incorrect procedure. It's a damned long story but my mate and I dug our toes in after we saw the liars testimony. Without that lawyer we'd never have made it. The cost was worth every cent to see the faces on those scumbags after the hammer went down. Sometimes the lawyers are worth it.

[Lucy]

Good point BUT!
Back in the day I had a big-time legal beagle represent me and a mate in Welly. It cost us but I walked on a DIC (right or wrong but the best is yet to come, I was only just over) and my mate walked on his third assault on an MOT officer. Reasons? 1) One lied in the box and got sprung and 2) Incorrect procedure. It's a damned long story but my mate and I dug our toes in after we saw the liars testimony. Without that lawyer we'd never have made it. The cost was worth every cent to the faces on those scumbags after the hammer went down. Sometimes they're worth it.


Lied in the box and used incorrect procedure to try and convict a drunk driver? Shame on them....how dare they.

[Sanx]

Lawyers are worth the money - sometimes. However, if you're fighting a relatively trivial traffic ticket mainly 'cos of the principle, then it's probably not worth forking over hundreds of bucks in an attempt to save a lot less. That's where doing your own research, reading everything you can and gathering your evidence can pay dividends.

There was a good interview with a lawyer in the UK who has a 100% record in getting his client off traffic charges; and he's fought several hundred. Mainly he simply holds the Police's own procedures and rules against them, but he did recall one case where he simply couldn't find anything they'd done wrong. Then the officer got up onto the stand. A couple of minutes into his grilling, the lawyer stopped and asked him if he was chewing something. The officer said no. The lawyer carried on, and a couple of minutes later, asked him again. The officer sheepishly took a bit of chewing gum out of his mouth.

That was all the lawyer needed. He basically said that if the officer was willing to lie on the stand about something so trivial as chewing gum, then how could anyone trust anything he gave in evidence.

Case dismissed.

As for me, the two tickets I chose to fight in this country I had dismissed. The other two tickets I got were deserved. One of them I probably could have walked on if I'd tried, but the second the officer had me bang to rights on. Although it ruined my nice clean driving record, it wasn't worth putting the time and effort into.

In the UK though, my record was eight out of nine dismissed. The Police's procedures are public information, though they do make it damned difficult to get hold of. Quite often you'll find that tickets are given unlawfully or issued contrary to the Police's own rules. Most of the time, the Police rely on the public's ignorance of said rules to make the tickets stick. A simple example is the issuing of a speed camera ticket. Over there, such tickets count towards demerit points. Because the cameras almost all point towards the back of the car, the photo cannot be used to identify the driver. So, the cops send out a NIP - Notice of Intended Prosecution - to the registered keeper of the vehicle asking who was driving. If the vehicle's a family car, used by a number of people in a household, it's often difficult to remember who was driving it at the time - so to counter that, the NIP must sent out within 14 days of the offence. If it's dated more than 14 days after the offence, the NIP is unenforcable. However - the Police still send them out as their own figures show that over 90% of the population simply pay up.

Over here it's more difficult, but the cops have their own rules and procedures to follow. Quite often, they don't - but they rely on people's ignorance of law and procedure in order to enforce such tickets. But the information people need is all publically available - it just has to be searched for. If it's important to you - search for the relevant rules, compare the Police's actions, then use it against them.

[peasea]

Lied in the box and used incorrect procedure to try and convict a drunk driver? Shame on them....how dare they.

Exactly. To uphold the law, they must operate within the law. I'm not saying they had the wrong man, they just went about 'getting' him the wrong way. It was a minor deal, as I said, I was only JUST over the limit; 110 when the limit was 100, dumb to be in that state I admit but not really a big deal and I was still sober enough to recall things correctly. PLUS, I told the truth....and I'm just a scummy old biker, not a squeaky-clean policeman with a note pad and the justice system behind him.

[Lucy]

So they have to be within the law to uphold the law, and yet you don't have to be to defend yourself? You were only just over the limit, but you WERE over the limit. They were possibly just outside the proper procedure but that's enough to dismiss the case. Seems like double standards.

[Grub]

Quite scary that in a country with such a dubious police honesty record that a cops word is seen as gospel

Not factually true. Nz Police is one of the most highly regarded for it's honesty and integrity in the world. Plenty of evidence to support that too

[krazy_karl]

i dont no about getting a lawyer but want to try writing a letter as you say because of the principal of it if they dont let me off then i do think i might go to court to try and argue my way out of it.

[spudchucka]

i dont no about getting a lawyer but want to try writing a letter as you say because of the principal of it if they dont let me off then i do think i might go to court to try and argue my way out of it.

Sorry but you'll be wasting your time on both counts and if you go to court it will just end up costing you more.

[Toaster]

Well i got a ticket in the weekend in my car for going 71km/h in a 50 (i know stupid and highly reckless)... the thing was when i asked to see the readout on there radar unit in the cop car it showed my speed as being locked at 67. i asked the cop why he was doing me for 71 when it showed 67 as my locked speed. His reply was well we saw it go up to 71 so thats what im writing the ticket for!!!! can they do this?? it another 15 more demerit points for a 71km/h ticket than it is for 67km/h so thats why i want to know if i can complain about this or has anyone else has been in a similar situation and manged to get it waived?

Yes they certainly can. And they will win it in court too. However it is not what I would consider reasonable in the circumstances and a ticket for 67 would have been more appropriate.

[Toaster]

I agree. I'm sure you will also agree there are knobs in the job who don't really do us a favour with their black and white hard line attitude with the public. This often causes problems when we are conducting enquires or when were appealing for help in serious investigations etc

Mate I completely agree. It was all about being reasonable.

[Toaster]

Why dont you try come be a front line cop....i very much doubt you would continue with rubbish like that.

Your silly to belive everything you see and read in the media like a blind sheep. You have no idea how good a Police Force we have and compared to countries like Australia and the UK our traffic enforcement is mediocre.

Funny how these people think cops are overpaid... I left because of a better pay and lifestyle offer from my previous employer. Auckland is just too expensive for cops to put up with all the crap they get from public and the bosses as well as (as many now do) have to hold down two jobs to pay the mortgage.

[scumdog]

Funny how these people think cops are overpaid... I left because of a better pay and lifestyle offer from my previous employer. Auckland is just too expensive for cops to put up with all the crap they get from public and the bosses as well as (as many now do) have to hold down two jobs to pay the mortgage.


Hence why I live in the deep south, same salary (almost as much as I was getting at the freezing works) but it goes waaaay much further than the salary of some poor clod working in Auckland getting the same money..
Just ask tebang, blairo pritch 600 and others from the North Island.

The deep south is one of New Zealands best kept secrets...

and the rest of you can 'enjoy' it up there...

[Toaster]

Hence why I live in the dep south, same salary (almost as much as I was getting at the freezing works) but it goes waaaay much further.
Just ask tebang, blairo pritch 600 and others from the North Island.

The deep south is one of New Zealands best kept secrets...

and the rest of you can 'enjoy' it up there...

I spent a year in Southland and two at Otago... great times, great people. Didn't burn too many couches!! I live rural nowdays, but man when you hit the city, anyone would think they just got off the plane in Hong Kong.

[SwanTiger]

Ah it may have been xxxxxx, our freindly Rodney policeman. Yes you are right, I have only been stopped once by him, that was the one time I deserved it. I have never said anything "hurtful" unless he is soft and cant take a few jibes, I am sure he gets worse on the side of the road.
The reason I believe he is disliked by some here so much is not the fact that he stops bikers for speeding etc, some of them where also probably deserved, perhaps some were not. The fact is, he is a motorcyclist too, has several bikes including a GSXR 1100, and races buckets, but has no leniancy at all towards other bikers, who have offended in the lower brackets. I have not heard a story once where he has let someone off with a warning.
If I became a highway patrol officer, and still rode motorcycles, and had a quota to meet, I'd certainly pick on motorcyclist, probably Harley Davidson riders or people of similar tastes.

And my fucken lordy lord would I nail queer metro sexual aucklander scooter riders.

There would be no scooters on the road by the time I retired.

I wonder what those commodores run like on avgas... Scummy, find out and report back.


The deep south is one of New Zealands best kept secrets...
Little do you know, you'll have me as your neighbour soon :sunny:

[scumdog]

If I became a highway patrol officer, and still rode motorcycles, and had a quota to meet, I'd certainly pick on motorcyclist, probably Harley Davidson riders or people of similar tastes.

And my fucken lordy lord would I nail queer metro sexual aucklander scooter riders.

There would be no scooters on the road by the time I retired.

I wonder what those commodores run like on avgas... Scummy, find out and report back.

PS: If you need to target HD riders your life expectency would be that of an Al Queada practice bomber with St Vitus disease - on a good day.

Little do you know, you'll have me as your neighbour soon :sunny:


Farkoff, there's a certain minimum requirement to meet --- and I thunk you have exceded it boy...
But should you slump to our level be sure to give me a PM.

And as for avgas? IF I need to exceed 250kph I'll let you know..

[Sanx]

You have no idea how good a Police Force we have and compared to countries like Australia and the UK our traffic enforcement is mediocre.

Depends what you mean by effective. Over here, there are still traffic cops on the streets. Which is probably a good thing, when the alternative could be the UK's current position where there's hardly a road left that hasn't got a speed - opps, my bad - a safety camera every 200 metres. They also have other nice gimmicks, like automatic number plate recognition systems so if you were to drive your cage or ride your bike and the Rego was out by a day, the ticket would be in the post.

Still, as the UK's road safety priority is all about speeding - because speeding causes the highest proportion of road accidents, global warming, cancer and single mothers - it would explain why the road toll their ain't going down either. Concentrate on speeding, and you can make lots of revenue from fines, whilst cutting back on real coppers to do real policing. Just let the cameras do the work.


do they drink cups of tea and talk about the queen? not arf guvnor, up the apples and pairs, she had luverly thru'penny bits.

No no no. "Up the apples" and "she had luvverly thru'pennies". And anyone who says different's a merchant.

[Patrick]

Good point BUT!
Incorrect procedure. It's a damned long story but my mate and I dug our toes in after we saw the liars testimony.

Never ceases to amaze me how drunks remember the step by step procedures performed by a sober cop... and some of these drunks fall out of their cars when they can't open the door so you open it for them...

May not be the case with yours Peasea, but you know what I mean...??

[NighthawkNZ]

The deep south is one of New Zealands best kept secrets...


Shhhhhh... don't want to many of them up there knowing this....:innocent:

[Patrick]

Yes they certainly can. And they will win it in court too. However it is not what I would consider reasonable in the circumstances and a ticket for 67 would have been more appropriate.

Appropriate behaviour should receive the appropriate ticket... agreed here... should have been 67... as long as the speeders behaviour was appropriate?????

EDIT: Jeez.... could even talk it down to 65 and $80 with the right attitude....

[Toaster]

Appropriate behaviour should receive the appropriate ticket... agreed here... should have been 67... as long as the speeders behaviour was appropriate?????

In other words.... I just gave them whatever I locked it as... no arguments and they left happy after realising the fine was lower than the highest speed viewed.

[Patrick]

In other words.... I just gave them whatever I locked it as... no arguments and they left happy after realising the fine was lower than the highest speed viewed.

Ditto...........

[Grahameeboy]

see guys there are good cops out there

[Patrick]

see guys there are good cops out there

My ears.... my ears.... keep the volume down! Kids are asleep still...

[Grahameeboy]

My ears.... my ears.... keep the volume down! Kids are asleep still...

Didn't know you have Cowpoos, Colapop, Finn and Dover staying with ya.........it will be time for their 'bottle' soon.......

[Toaster]

Didn't know you have Cowpoos, Colapop, Finn and Dover staying with ya.........it will be time for their 'bottle' soon.......

I'll paint my bottom blue if you don't get a reaction to that one!!:gob:

[Grahameeboy]

I'll paint my bottom blue if you don't get a reaction to that one!!:gob:

They are still in bed....and why blue?

[Toaster]

They are still in bed....and why blue?

It was a partial blackadder quote. I just can't help myself.

[scracha]

Why dont you try come be a front line cop....i

I can't get an erection infront of other guys so that probably rules me out.



very much doubt you would continue with rubbish like that.

Your silly to belive everything you see and read in the media like a blind sheep. You have no idea how good a Police Force we have and compared to countries like Australia and the UK our traffic enforcement is mediocre.
WTF mentioned media? I'm only going by my own experiences of coppers in the UK and NZ. As for traffic enforcement...don't believe everything you see and read in the media like a blind sheep. You have no idea how easy it is to avoid being done for speeding in the UK (North Wales excepted).

Oh, and why do kiwi's always compare to the UK or Australia. There are other countries out there you know (happy memories of smiling French gendarme giving me a cheery wave as I rode past at 130k)

OK, I'll rephrase it. In my personal experience, nice polite letters to the enforcement agency explaining circumstances and facts in a logical fashion appear to have no effect nor appear to not even be read properly.

[scumdog]

Oh, and why do kiwi's always compare to the UK or Australia. There are other countries out there you know (happy memories of smiling French gendarme giving me a cheery wave as I rode past at 130k)

OK, I'll rephrase it. In my personal experience, nice polite letters to the enforcement agency explaining circumstances and facts in a logical fashion appear to have no effect nor appear to not even be read properly.

But it seems that other than the cops NZ must be the best country- otherwise you would be off overseas eh?

BTW We have a lot of freedoms here that other more speed-lenient countries don't.