Can cops do this???

**krazy_karl** · 23rd April 2007, 21:25

Well i got a ticket in the weekend in my car for going 71km/h in a 50 (i know stupid and highly reckless)... the thing was when i asked to see the readout on there radar unit in the cop car it showed my speed as being locked at 67. i asked the cop why he was doing me for 71 when it showed 67 as my locked speed. His reply was well we saw it go up to 71 so thats what im writing the ticket for!!!! can they do this?? it another 15 more demerit points for a 71km/h ticket than it is for 67km/h so thats why i want to know if i can complain about this or has anyone else has been in a similar situation and manged to get it waived?

**The Pastor** · 23rd April 2007, 21:28

nah he shouldnt be able to do that, and i don't think radar counts "up" and if it did, surly it would record the highest speed.

Sounds like bullshit to me.

But theres prob not much you can do except bend over and take it up the ass.

I got given 75 demerits in 1 go once. That was fun........

**Karma** · 23rd April 2007, 21:30

Apparently they don't have to show you anything.

When a copper did 6 people on the thursday ride some time ago and we asked for proof he basically said;

"cos I said so"

And that's all they need... because the police, by their very nature, are truth incarnate.

**Ozzie** · 23rd April 2007, 21:30

Complain, ask for a hearing, object, it might not get you off, but it worked for me. It took a year and a half, but got the call....

Mr ?, we are dropping the charge without prejudice!

Roll over = get screwed

fight ligitimately = possibly still get screwed, but, if you don't try, you wont know!

**Fub@r** · 23rd April 2007, 21:35

Fight it on principal. My understanding is that its your right to be able to see the radar reading for verification so there can be no dispute. I would argue to the police that you are prepared to pay the infringement for 67kph but not 71kph. I would also write to the Police in Wellington for written verification that yes or no an officer can issue a ticket that differs to the radar reading.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 23rd April 2007, 21:39

Originally Posted by Fub@r

Fight it on principal. My understanding is that its your right to be able to see the radar reading for verification so there can be no dispute. I would argue to the police that you are prepared to pay the infringement for 67kph but not 71kph. I would also write to the Police in Wellington for written verification that yes or no an officer can issue a ticket that differs to the radar reading.

Say your GPS unit max speed at those co-ordinates your were only doing 63 (4kph dopler shift error)

oh the problem there is you need to have a GPS, that tracks... doh

**krazy_karl** · 23rd April 2007, 21:39

yea i figured because he did let me see the reading then surely i can fight it either in court or by writing a letter to wellington to try and get it lowered to 67. of course i would prefer to get off it altogether but i dont think thats gonna happen. if i do go to court will i have to pay extra court costs or anything if i lose?

**Ozzie** · 23rd April 2007, 21:53

Originally Posted by krazy_karl

yea i figured because he did let me see the reading then surely i can fight it either in court or by writing a letter to wellington to try and get it lowered to 67. of course i would prefer to get off it altogether but i dont think thats gonna happen. if i do go to court will i have to pay extra court costs or anything if i lose?

perhaps, maybe another $20 or so, mine didn't get that far. Maybe someone else can add a thought, but I think it is your right, without being penalised for opting that way.

I could be wrong.

The ph. numbers will be on the ticket, look at it, ring them up, ask the question.....

Nothing to lose!

**BornToLean** · 23rd April 2007, 22:01

Yes they can.
Apparently if they see it on the radar, then that's good enough. All they do is write the circumstances in their little black book, then this becomes evidence if you take it to court.
Just pay the fine and carry on, a bit slower!

**Maha** · 23rd April 2007, 22:15

Originally Posted by Karma

Apparently they don't have to show you anything.

When a copper did 6 people on the thursday ride some time ago and we asked for proof he basically said;

"cos I said so"

And that's all they need... because the police, by their very nature, are truth incarnate.

Surely you dont believe that!...if you ask they must show you
And as for the ''cos i said so''....'fuck off show me' would be my answer if thats the attitude he took, i too would evolve and attitude...

Originally Posted by BornToLean

Yes they can.

So basically...they can say you were doing any speed they think of at the time and you have accept that?..... dont think so dude. Na mate i wouldn't the ticket that KK got go without an arguement....

**Karma** · 23rd April 2007, 22:27

Originally Posted by maha man

Surely you dont believe that!...if you ask they must show you
And as for the ''cos i said so''....'fuck off show me' would be my answer if thats the attitude he took, i too would evolve and attitude...

You can say what you like mate, just as I can stand on the shore and tell the tide not to come in.

**krazy_karl** · 23rd April 2007, 22:41

interesting ay.... pretty much cops can claim you were doing watever speed they see on their unit thats pretty gay it seems to me to be a good way at getting the public more annoyed at the police in this country.to me it just seems like revenue gathering as 71 is just in the next bracket for price and demerits. should only be allowed to ticket you at the locked on speed

**raster** · 23rd April 2007, 22:50

Let us know how you get on.

**scracha** · 23rd April 2007, 23:05

Don't waste your time writing to the infringement buerocrats in Wellington, they just don't listen to reason. The cops don't really give a f#ck about the implications an extra couple of Km can do to your bank balance. In fact, I don't think most give a f#ck about the road safety implications either. They're just doing their overpaid job and points make prizes. Quite scary that in a country with such a dubious police honesty record that a cops word is seen as gospel.

Pay the fine buddy.