I want to set a few things straight.

[onearmedbandit]

Firstly this is a solo effort, Hitcher, Joni and SPman have had no input into this thread, I'm going it alone because I feel there are some things that need to be said regarding some issues the site is facing.

No doubt all of you by now are aware of Ixion's thread, and have questions that you feel need answering. I can't promise to answer everyones questions, but I'll go as far as I can to clear some things up.

His decision to leave the site was his and his alone. For a long time now we have had some rules here at KB, rules that were set up by SpankMe, not the senior moderators. One of the major issues surrounding the rules has been consistancy. A lot of you have expressed that the rules were not being applied to all members, and therefore quite rightly felt wronged. SpankMe created these rules, and requested his team of moderators to use the infraction system to make sure they were being followed. This wasn't happening, and as the infraction system was not going to be dropped we (the SM's) needed to address the situation quickly, as it was affecting morale at the site.

During one of the discussions in the moderators forum Ixion made it quite clear that his view of moderating was far removed from that of all the other mod's, and from what SpankMe had requested. It was decided then that we would ask Ixion if he still wanted to moderate, as we felt his view's conflicted with what is expected of a moderator. A PM was sent to Ixion, to which he never replied. No, not even a 'Fuck you guys' or a 'yeah maybe you're right', nothing. After a period of approxiamately two weeks and still no response from Ixion, we were left with no other option than to remove him from moderating duties. A PM was sent, outlining the situation and encouraging him to stay at the site as we see him as a valued member of KB. And still we got no response, that is until last night with his rather one-sided attack on Hitcher and the rest of the 'elite'...

As I said, it is his decision to leave. He was not pushed, he had ample opportunity to talk to us about it but choose not to. Motu also deciding to leave is for his own reasons.

It seems a lot of people here feel the responsibility of the site falls solely on the moderators. I'm afraid to tell you this but it falls on all of us. This site is nothing without its members, and by that I mean the personality of the site is a direct result of what we all post here. People moan about the amount of 'crap' posts on the forums, and not enough bike topics. Well you have the power to change that, not the moderators. I watch the forums every day, and I see a lot of threads about motorcycling in general, from reviews to request for help, to stories about recent adventures. So if you're feeling that the forum is losing its direction, YOU can do something about it.

Moving on a little now.

Since SpankMe made his announcement no new rules have been introduced, so where do a lot of you guys get the idea that we are responsible for new rules etc? All we have done is try to address one of the issues brought up to us, consistancy. And as soon as we do that we get attacked. There is no 'major clean-up' of the site going on, no members being pushed out. There is no restrictions on freedom of speech (other than abusive posts, one of SpankMe's rules), no infractions for swearing, taking the piss, having fun.

Regarding banned members, there has only been one (1) banned user (other than aliases). This member was banned by SpankMe, not the senior mod's. As the site is still SpankMe's, this ruling remains. Other members have been sinbinned, they can still post, they can still particapate. We have no intentions of 'banning' any members unless forced to. If a sinbinned member chooses not to post, thats their decision.

I'm looking forward to your input on this thread. We are all here for the same reason, bikes and friendship. So lets try to get on with it.

[Joni]

Thank you OAB, very well put - as always better than I ever could...:sunny:

OAB may be speaking for himself, but I stand right behind everything he has said in this thread. Well done! :yes:

KB is a moving community, things change from time to time, it does not mean we cannot still enjoy it - it just means a little flexibility to move with the times... just like life.

Im here.
I love this place...
I love the friends it has brought me, and of course my partner.

I look forward to things settling and the site continuing to be the great place it is.

[Bend-it]

Yeah, you're doing a good and thankless job, except for now...

Thanks mods!

[Grahameeboy]

Well said matey..........I thought us POMS were the whingers!!

I have no reason to disbelieve you regarding Ixion and it just sounds like he is being very childish and to me it simply diminishes all the good that he did on the site.

The only constant is change and this site will continue to evolve with or without the the likes of Ixion....I seem to recall that about a year ago the number of registered members was around the 4,000 mark and this has doubled so something must be right about the site.

I too enjoyed posts with Ixion, however, his decision is his and his alone and I just hope that he has a re-think and comes back.

[tri boy]

Thank you for the reply.

[JimO]

well said,,,,,,,

[Rashika]

yep agreed well said OAB.
It is sometimes hard to know who to believe when all we get is one side of the story, thanks for filling in the gaps.

[Deviant Esq]

Im here.
I love this place...
I love the friends it has brought me...

I look forward to things settling and the site continuing to be the great place it is.
Those few lines echo my thoughts pretty closely. I wouldn't keep coming here if I didn't enjoy it. I'm sad to see Ixion and Motu leave, but OAB's post goes some way to explaining why - well writ my friend. I'll continue to lurk as long as I'm welcome. KB is a place I do feel welcome, apart from one serial red repper who has pissed me off to the point he has now earned the honour of being the first ever KBer I have put on ignore. Now I don't see his reps any more. Good sodding riddance, I can now move forward to enjoying my time on KB again. :sunny:

[Freakshow]

I think this site is great and I have to say I am not completely sure what the rules are! I know of the thread "Abuse of fellow members " (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=22790)
Is this one of the rules or the only rule??
I can understand there needs to be some governing to reflect the intentions of the owner. Is there a change this can be confirmed and made a little more obvious. Is there one rule or several?

[timorang]

It appears a rather sad and dissappointing end to a staunch and passionate contributor. He has made his decision, I hope the door remains open but we move on. I view the site daily and contribute where i can (not often) and seek help when i think members can assist. There is some material that I consider inappropriate and simply unnecessary for a site that is for the biker community (as diverse as it is). It should not be open slather and I think the mods or whoever do the best they can. blah blah... keep doing the job you are doiong to the best of your abilty and that is all one can expect. if others can do it better then step forward.

[Crisis management]

Thanks for the explanation OAB, that certainly clarifies the issues for me.

Back to biking......

[Toaster]

We are all here for the same reason, bikes and friendship. So lets try to get on with it.

Your thread/post is very well said mate. Keep up the great work as Mod. Thanks to all our Mods.

[Lissa]

I dont get all this talk about the site changing blah blah blah stuff... Probably because I havent been a member for very long.

The reasons I log on are:
1. To catch up with friends.
2. To organise rides or to annoy people until they ride with me.
3. To ask and get help for any problems I might be having with the bike/riding etc.
4. To read informing threads, that might help me become a better rider.
5. And to laugh at some of the sillyness that goes on in KB.
6. Get lots of encouragement.... and mostly from people I dont even know... thats Awesome.

And I get all that and MORE!!!!

If I dont like what someone has posted I just ignore it... its easy. I didnt even realise anything had changed with the mods until everyone started mentioning it... I still dont get it. :mellow:

Anyway, I have meet alot of nice people on KB, lots of cool interesting personailities .... I really dont have a problem with anyone, guess my tolerance is quite high? Its almost like someone has died, its depressing. I hate those.... "Goodbye Threads".

[Disco Dan]

Well said OAB, but I thought this was a dating site? Damit.... :dodge:

[Hitcher]

Change, like death and taxes, is a fact of life. In the several years I have been contributing to this site, some things have changed, some things have not. The most important thing that has not changed is a shared love of the addiction for which there is no cure: Motocycles.

Colourful characters have come and gone, sometimes with grace and dignity, sometimes in a short sharp shower of shit and shingle. But other new characters are emerging.

Resident prophet Mikey hit the nail squarely on the head when he declared that "Kiwi Biker is full of love, and disrespect". As long as the disrespect is in good humour, long may this continue.

[MSTRS]

Good post OAB. Perhaps it 'clears the air' - perhaps not. Ixion was very clear in his stated reason, yet the cynic in me cannot help but wonder about his longish silence after his nosebleed thread. I hope he is physically well, and not making a excuse not to announce something more devastating?

[Str8 Jacket]

I hope he is physically well, and not making a excuse not to announce something more devastating?

Was thinking the same thing. Ixions a good bloke and he came across as rather "thicked skinned" to me.....

[johnnyflash]

Well said OAB, as has been said many time before, the mods do a thankless task, and from what I can see on this specific site, do a really good job. There will always be someone wishing to stretch the boundaries, The world would be a nasty place without a "LITTLE" moderation, To all the mods I say, keep up the stirling work,

[merv]

I dont get all this talk about the site changing blah blah blah stuff... Probably because I havent been a member for very long.

The reasons I log on are:
1. To catch up with friends.
2. To organise rides or to annoy people until they ride with me.
3. To ask and get help for any problems I might be having with the bike/riding etc.
4. To read informing threads, that might help me become a better rider.
5. And to laugh at some of the sillyness that goes on in KB.
6. Get lots of encouragement.... and mostly from people I dont even know... thats Awesome.

And I get all that and MORE!!!!

If I dont like what someone has posted I just ignore it... its easy. I didnt even realise anything had changed with the mods until everyone started mentioning it... I still dont get it. :mellow:

Anyway, I have meet alot of nice people on KB, lots of cool interesting personailities .... I really dont have a problem with anyone, guess my tolerance is quite high? Its almost like someone has died, its depressing. I hate those.... "Goodbye Threads".

I'm with you Mel on everything you have said here. I'm never one to complain too much and I enjoy the positives. If I see stuff I can't be bothered with I move on. I don't have a bad bone in my body so never really bag anyone, I'm here for fun.

The turnout at our lunch yesterday was a measure of how many people we have met that are happy to get together and we are so happy its all going to happen again guaranteed.

I don't like too many rules and I am for freedom of speech, but seeing I'm not a mean arse maybe that's easy for me to say.

I hope the community just cheers up and gets on with living a positive life.

[Paul in NZ]

Great post (one of the best ever), nice sentiments, clear statement of intent and still tons of sea room for me to navigate on.

No problems here!

Well done!!

Paul N

[Lissa]

I'm with you Mel on everything you have said here.....
Ta merv.. just feel a little "poopy" today.


I hope he is physically well, and not making a excuse not to announce something more devastating?
I hope you are wrong MSTRS.

Yea was a good post OAB!! Cheers.

[MSTRS]

I hope you are wrong MSTRS.



As do most of us....felt it needed saying tho.

[Macktheknife]

Cheers OAB for sharing the info with us, much appreciated.
I have not seen any significant changes since this site caught my attention, some minor ones yes, but nothing significant.
MSTRS, I hadn't considered this angle, I too hope you're wrong.
I still see plenty of 'personality' on the site, and I enjoy meeting the KBers face to face and partaking of their hospitality and humour in person, long may it remain so.
Mods, it is a tough position you find yourselves in, my sympathy for what it is worth, keep it up, I for one appreciate the effort.
Mack

[merv]

Ta merv.. just feel a little "poopy" today.

Cheers.

Huh? Too much excitement yesty?

[Sniper]

I feel that you need not justify your reasons as to why you do the things you do.

The rules are there for everyone and are being enforced by the mods and senior mods and on that note I do not see the need for the mods to justify their reasons behind the things they do I do expect people to get cranky when they are caught out but to act mature about the situation, admit they fucked up and carry on. (Har har, yea right)

That being said. Well written OAB.

Sniper

[KATWYN]

Why do people have to make a big deal and public declaration that they are leaving anyway? Why don't they just stop contributing to the site and be done with it?

Instead, dramas have to surround the "leaving" event

I don't believe people ever leave anyway - they might just stop contributing
for a while and thats about it.

I've seen it heaps of times in here where people "leave" then after a while you see their threads start filtering through again....like they just can't resist it

[Devil]

Capital *Meh* from me.

This site has changed plenty since I've been around. I don't agree with the direction that the administration has taken, however, all it amounts to for me is just sifting through more crap looking for the gold.

It's still there, just a little more rare.

Life goes on.

[Maha]

I read Ixion's thread and had no comment, doesnt bother me who's here and who's not to be honest. He pointed the finger and that does not bother me either, i know theres two sides to every story and OAB gave us his side, im still not bothered, or care to much really. My reasons for being here are along the lines of Lissa's.

[slinky]

I read Ixion's thread and had no comment, doesnt bother me who's here and who's not to be honest. He pointed the finger and that does not bother me either, i know theres two sides to every story and OAB gave us his side, im still not bothered, or care to much really. My reasons for being here are along the lines of Lissa's.

il be first to second that.

i think to leave, and have to announce it in such a way is just a bit toooo much.

[DMNTD]

I read Ixion's thread and had no comment, doesnt bother me who's here and who's not to be honest. He pointed the finger and that does not bother me either, i know theres two sides to every story and OAB gave us his side, im still not bothered, or care to much really. My reasons for being here are along the lines of Lissa's.

Agreed Mark, but have to admit that with the knowledge Ixion has it's a genuine loss to the KB knowledge base.

I'm here for networking for the most part,a fantastic source this place has been to date. A little sorry some of the characters are sidelined atm but certainly isn't the end of my world.

Christ...you'd think we were all a bunch of blouses not motorcyclists!
Good or bad,you mod's have a shit of a job to do at times so onya.

Oh well I'm off to pay homage to the Kaimai's on one of the machines in my garage.
Maybe a few more from here ought to try riding more than they type and stop winging about things they can't change...

[oldrider]

Funny how things still move the same way that they did when I was at school, fashionable crazes just rolling on by.

Spinning tops, marbles, kites, knuckle-bones, hoolahoops just to name a few.

Currently it seems fashionable to blame corporate management for customers own personal choices and decisions. (Mercury Energy?)

Even Kiwi Biker is caught up in this craze, with moderators getting blamed for individuals petulant foot stamping and personal decisions to move on!

Come on, there are threads to raise, replies to post, motorcycles to ride, write and read about.

All manner of topical things to discuss and agree or disagree about.

Life just goes on, you are either on-board or out of here, your own decision!

It's called freedom of choice, if it doesn't always go your way, get over it!

The beat goes on. :yes: Have a nice day. :sunny: John.

[White trash]

Nice post OAB.

Just one question still concerns me a little.

How the hell long did it take you to type that with one hand? Fark me, it's an epic!! Well done.

[Big Dave]

How the hell long did it take you to type that with one hand? .

You seem to get by OK.

[MSTRS]

The beat goes on.

Sort of like "You don't know what you've got, until they put up a parking lot" ?

[White trash]

You seem to get by OK.
You don't "type" much downloading porn mate.

And you'll find few posts more than a few lines outta the seven odd thousand I've racked up.

Pheeewwww! Need a wee rest now.....

[skidMark]

You seem to get by OK.

Big Dave just took out the trash....

trashy u just got pwn3d

[James Deuce]

Well, I'm a mod too. Just for Rant & Rave. I hardly touch anything in there ever. I'll merge the inevitable joke repost threads, and that's about it.

But I was really upset by a blindside attack on a mate, so I haven't commented publicly.

It's very tempting to just log off and go look at bikini dot com instead. No one seems to care about bikes anymore, just who rules the virtual playground. If being a virtual Playground King means being a Senior Mod, well I ain't aspiring to that thanks.

For those of you who think you can do better, the software is called vbulletin, domains cost between $US90 and $US300, and site hosting charges are massively variable depending on the QoS you want.

I think I'd rather get my first traffic ticket than ride with a KBer at the moment.

[Qkkid]

Agreed Mark, but have to admit that
Maybe a few more from here ought to try riding more than they type and stop winging about things they can't change...


:gob: Yeah and your still the kitchen bitch Chris:love: :shutup: :shutup: :shutup:

[merv]

I think I'd rather get my first traffic ticket than ride with a KBer at the moment.


We love you Jim how come you don't love us?

[Mr. Peanut]

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[chanceyy]

always two sides to a story ..

kinda like storm in a teacup .. sad but life moves on ..

when ppl feel as they do then they have outgrown a site .. its their decision to feel affronted & their choice to stay or leave

[BarBender]

Christ...you'd think we were all a bunch of blouses not motorcyclists!

Can I get an AMEN!!!

[Puddlejumper]

For what it's worth. I am very new to the forum and am damn pleased to be a member. I have learned a whole heap of stuff from browsing the threads. I have been riding for a LONG time but have been humbled by the depth of knowledge here.I have chuckled at some of the interactions. I have nothing but admiration for the people who have given up their time to help others out. I have seen a number of threads where people have gone out of the way to give advice, offer assistance, pick up bikes etc etc. Whenever some accident or misfortune has befallen someone I see a rush of sympathy and help. It seems to me to be a real community and I can't wait to meet some of you in person. If KB was better than this it must have been out of this world. At the moment it is simply awesome.

[Drum]

.........Christ...you'd think we were all a bunch of blouses not motorcyclists! ......

Yep, A few of us could do with a large cup of HARDEN THE FUCK UP.

[Albino]

It's very tempting to just log off and go look at bikini dot com instead. No one seems to care about bikes anymore, just who rules the virtual playground. If being a virtual Playground King means being a Senior Mod, well I ain't aspiring to that thanks.


As a long time observer I'm not sure that it is any different in the time I've been logging in (well except the last 4 weeks). Maybe there's an element of "if you seek you shall find" - all the shit in Rant and Rave probably went on just the same before you were a mod but you didn't see it.

I'd love to meet up with you jokers but for the life of me I can't think of anything geekier than calling people by some made up name (that they made up) to their face. "Hi you must be Dingbat Doober, my name is Albino." So to me it's just the internet. But I know a lot of people are passionate about this site and this is no doubt the cause of a lot of the problems. A clash of the passions, if you like. Try not to get too obsessed folks.

He says after having spent 2 hours polishing the bike tonight......

[skelstar]

Amen to that! (Drums)

[imdying]

we (the SM's) So you guys are calling yourselves the SpankMe's now?? That's a little precious ain't it?


Regarding banned members, there has only been one (1) banned user (other than aliases). This member was banned by SpankMe, not the senior mod's. Wow, what did he do?

[Paul in NZ]

So you guys are calling yourselves the SpankMe's now?? That's a little precious ain't it?

Wow, what did he do?

He asked one too many cute questions........ :Police: You got anymore 'cute' questions punk? I mean you gotta ask yourself, did I ask 4 questions or did i ask 5 questions? Well? Ya feeling lucky punk?

[Big Dave]

So you guys are calling yourselves the SpankMe's now?? That's a little precious ain't it?

It stands for sado-masochists dummy.

[Paul in NZ]

It stands for sado-masochists dummy.

I was told by one that there is a fine line between pleasure and pain? I must be odd because for me it's a great big line in thick paint and bright colours....

[Morcs]

:violin: :violin: :violin:
Its only forum ffs. People who notice these changes quite simply spend too much time on here and should be out riding.

So my response is :finger: , quit the fuck moaning, and get out there and ride you bunch of sad acts. :laugh:

[Virago]

First of all, thank you OAB for openly responding to the Ixion / Motu issue. As in any conflict, the truth of the matter lies buried in the responses of those involved, and it was good to hear your side.

Personally, I'm sick of all the outrage over "changes in the way the site is run". What changes?

As I understand it, nothing has changed. Am I right?

As an interested observer, I perceive a subtle but significant change in the attitude toward the moderators. But the site is still run the same way, under the same rules. Am I right?

I can't help but feel this place is like a school classroom. The head teacher (SpankMe), revered by all, takes leave of absence, leaving the class in the hands of the teacher aides (the moderators). Sensing a shift in the balance of power, a small but vocal minority in the class seek to "fight the new order". This minority display a level of utter contempt for their kellow KBer's.

To avoid anarchy and to keep order, the moderators then strictly enforce the forum rules that already exist. Am I right?

The reality is that for the majority of us, you guys are doing it right, and we really appreciate the work that you do, to keep KB running as it does. Fellow bikers, performing a labour of love for the common good.

It's been said before, but - thanks again.:yes:

[shcabbeh]

Back to biking......

That's exactly what I was thinking. Politics have a way of working their way into every site, it gets boring.

[Blondini]

lay off the mods I say.:love: :sunny: I have not had any problems I could not deal with in a civil manner,I dont think its fair to blame the mods...Come on get a life people ,If you don't like it switch off the computer .There is so much great advice on here and great people...What happened to Keeping it simple stupid.Loves to you all...Just my thoughts...Seems a little childish to me.:shutup:

[kneescraper]

I think this place rocks but its like every other forum, cars, bikes or even golf forums. There are people, the bad apples if you like that know everything, cant be told they are wrong that seem to bring the IQ level of this forum down to a 5 year olds. But this is life and there are people like it, there are also drama queens that want attention...again...its life.

Sooner or later the know-it-alls get found out and the attention seekers lose all their friends. Lets, let nature takes its course and allow us get back to that thing WE ALL enjoy....bikes and talking good humoured shit.

Lets not read to much into it, the sooner we get over the spilt milk the sooner we can get back to BIKES!

[mikey]

Firstly this is a solo effort, Hitcher, Joni and SPman have had no input into this thread, I'm going it alone because I feel there are some things that need to be said regarding some issues the site is facing.


this input is also a solo effort. yes yes I know, obvious really, surely two brains couldnt combined be this thick, anywho


No doubt all of you by now are aware of Ixion's thread, and have questions that you feel need answering. I can't promise to answer everyones questions, but I'll go as far as I can to clear some things up.
His decision to leave the site was his and his alone.

No i Was very much unaware you assuming type. By now the sheep have probably moderatored all the hatred out of his thread so theres no point even searching for a chance to have a look at it. Sounds like you guys stabbed him up with butter knives then sent a gumboot up his bum. hehe.



Regarding banned members, there has only been one (1) banned user (other than aliases). This member was banned by SpankMe, not the senior mod's. As the site is still SpankMe's, this ruling remains.
I'm looking forward to your input on this thread. We are all here for the same reason, bikes and friendship. So lets try to get on with it.

I question the legality of your (the team in charge of kiwibiker) continual silencing of a whistle blower to a VERY SERIOUS CRIME> You all know what has happened. You delete posts and ban the "alter egos". How do you sleep at night. Aidding and abetting an alleged criminal is as bad as committing the attrocious crimes yourself!
IM SHOCKED AND APPALLED.
Though I am after a cheap gsxr thousand to turn into a go kart so let me knoww if your esteemed leader comes up with anything.

hyprocaphecy through democracy.
Figure the meaning of that out hitcher and ill courier out that box of beer i owe!


It wont be in the dictionary til next yera when it gets put in proper

[Hitcher]

hyprocaphecy through democracy.
Figure the meaning of that out hitcher and ill courier out that box of beer i owe!
Call me old-fashioned, but it may help if you spelt it the same way in every thread you've inserted it. Or was that the gumboot?

He who liff leffs luffs longest.

Monteiths Pilsner. Thanks.

[mikey]

nah its a new word. look for it in the "hamfisted oxford dictionary2008"

[scumdog]

Still waiting to see those dreadful and intolerable changes that are alleged to have taken over this site.

Still seems the same KB to this guy.:yes:

[boomer]

Still waiting to see those dreadful and intolerable changes that are alleged to have taken over this site.

Still seems the same KB to this guy.:yes:

thats cos your in a world of your own rozza:dodge:

[scumdog]

thats cos your in a world of your own rozza:dodge:


Hmmm, at the moment from where I stand in my 'world of my own' KB doesn't seem too bad - not as bad as the ranters and whingers would have you believe....

[mikey]

YOUR ARE the RANTER < I CAN HEAR YOU FROM HERE

THIS ONE TIME I WAS OUT PATROLLING THE DEADLY HIGHWAY IN MY COMMONWHORE AND....

[Storm]

Theres more whinging. But hey, as the pysch says to his mate at lunch:
"who listens? "

[MyGSXF]

I'm in with Lissa, merv & maha man.. :yes:

I come here for the friendships I have made :hug: the knowledge I am gathering :blink: & the good natured general piss taking that I enjoy dishing out.. :shifty:

If I see dribble that is exactly that.. I ignore it & move on.. :oi-grr:

I think the mods do an AWESOME job!! :Punk: & am eternally grateful for SpankMe's vision!!! :Punk:

& I think people need to get out there & RIDE MORE.. :scooter: & whinge LESS!!!!!!!!!!! :whocares:

Jen :rockon:

[imdying]

I question the legality of your (the team in charge of kiwibiker) continual silencing of a whistle blower to a VERY SERIOUS CRIME> You all know what has happened. You delete posts and ban the "alter egos". How do you sleep at night. Aidding and abetting an alleged criminal is as bad as committing the attrocious crimes yourself!Without creating too much of a leading statement, the question is, does anybody care?

[Joni]

Without creating too much of a leading statement, the question is, does anybody care?Oh, Oh, Oh, me, me.... how about! "Does anyone actually care to look at the whole picture and not just their little perspective?"

[Storm]

Shit no Joni, that'd be acting like grown ups! You dont get much of that round here these days, sadly.

[Joni]

Yeah mate... its so much easier to troll, flame and ridicule... the "reaction factor" is so much more important to most people on KB, stuff the facts and both sides of anything… lets rather just open our mouths and say the most shocking think we can think of…

Pffft! :rolleyes:

[Macktheknife]

lets rather just open our mouths and say the most shocking think we can think of…


I'm sorry have I had it wrong all this time?
I thought that was the whole point of KB!

[Storm]

Yeah mate... its so much easier to troll, flame and ridicule... the "reaction factor" is so much more important to most people on KB, stuff the facts and both sides of anything… lets rather just open our mouths and say the most shocking think we can think of…

Pffft! :rolleyes:

Ooh ooh ooh! Dont forget Mod Bashing. Always a good way to kill time

[Joni]

I thought that was the whole point of KB!Yeah well.... I’m over it!

What happened to people being genuine, caring... helpful?

A place where all like minded people can come together and share their passion of bikes, riding, racing etc…… I may be naive, but that is still what KB is about to me… not all this crap!

[canarlee]

Well said OAB, but I thought this was a dating site? Damit.... :dodge:

double damn it!!! i thought it was womans weekly...................

[Macktheknife]

Yeah well.... I’m over it!

What happened to people being genuine, caring... helpful?

A place where all like minded people can come together and share their passion of bikes, riding, racing etc…… I may be naive, but that is still what KB is about to me… not all this crap!

You were always a softy! lol
Of course that is a big part of KB, and one enjoyed by most of us I think, but the P/T is also fun, as long as it is in good humour.
I do think however that the constant mod-bashing and whinging is OTT and past it's use-by-date.

[MSTRS]

What good is life if, full of care, we have no time to stop and stare.

[Joni]

Of course that is a big part of KB, and one enjoyed by most of us I think, but the P/T is also fun, as long as it is in good humour.Yes I agree, that is fun… but it has of late become more malicious and nasty… and the fun stuff has been left behind.

[Hitcher]

I blame smilies. And the bloody Labour gummint.

[MSTRS]

I blame smilies. And the bloody Labour gummint.

And reversing Rav4 drivers?

[imdying]

I blame Fraser... I've been baiting him for weeks with nary a bite :lol:

[Joni]

I blame smilies. And the bloody Labour gummint.I blame the arses on KB who don’t think before they engage their typing hand!

Sorry I know you were trying to lighten the mood Hitch... but I have been giving some people the benefit of the doubt for a long time...

[canarlee]

this is where most people on here should be, im sure there is a forum there for yas!!!


http://www.theknittingroom.net/


*tin hat is on*........................incoming

[Toaster]

I blame smilies. And the bloody Labour gummint.

Damn that Labour Gummint twice over!! :Punk:

(nice spelling by the way... hehehe)

[MSTRS]

It's just that most KBers haven't met you in person or grown to love you....
When the stool at the end of the bar is reserved just for you, then you will know that you are one of us
:devil2: :Pokey:

[slinky]

it gives me headaches cus i stare at my laptop toooo long reading the threads.

[Albino]

It's just that most KBers haven't met you in person or grown to love you....
When the stool at the end of the bar is reserved just for you, then you will know that you are one of us
:devil2: :Pokey:

The group of (to quote Joni) "arses on KB who don't think before they engage their typing hand" doesn't include people who are in the clique.

Nepotism and hypocrisy are two words that spring to mind.

[Maha]

oooh watch it mark, some people on here will give you red rep for posting that!!! well they did me for posting similar type stuff.............


And just to set that straight...(keeping on topic....:blip: ) i will hunt them down....:yes:

[Storm]

Just my 2c, but

KB is just like anywhere else, Get some time up before you start acting the big show on campus. You have to have been around for a while and contributed in some way, shape or form significantly before you can start telling everyone else how you reckon the show should be run.
Oh, and as has been stated many times.-KB is NOT a democracy. Dont like it-leave.

[oldrider]

Yeah well.... I’m over it!

What happened to people being genuine, caring... helpful?

A place where all like minded people can come together and share their passion of bikes, riding, racing etc…… I may be naive, but that is still what KB is about to me… not all this crap!

Welcome to the real world Joni.

Utopia exists only in the mind of the Utopian seeker.

As with all fantasies, it is always the brand that the fantasiser desires and imagines, that is acceptable to them.

The real world and the fantasy world of the mind conflict because of the individuality of us all but as they say, "variety is the spice of life".

Freedom gives us all the right to express our individuality.

As long as we don't infringe on other peoples rights we should be encouraged to express our individuality to the full.

Motorcyclists are usually free thinkers who value their freedom of expression and freedom to choose very highly.

If you impede their freedom of expression you may just as well let down their tyres and throw away their keys!

KB has always been a vehicle of that so cherished emotion that the members desire, "freedom of expression"!

It is just possible that many of them perceive that the moderators have stifled this on KB!

Rightly or wrongly every individual has a "perception" and that perception for them is their own "reality" and that is the only way that they can see it.

Rules should be kept to the absolute minimum, they should be clear, concise, consistently monitored, enforced and judged.

If that is not practiced they will be completely ineffective and disrespected.

You only have to look at our road rules to understand what I am trying to say.

Personally, I have not seen any change that impedes my freedom of expression on KB.

It seems to me that others have, otherwise we would not be having this thread! Why? :blip: Cheers, John.

[ManDownUnder]

Ferks sake.... it's simple surely. There are rules that are in place. Agree or disagree - it doesn't matter... it's just a case of choosing to stay or go.

I fit in, I want to stay. People I like are in here - another reason I choose to stay.

I've been lightly smacked on the hand for breaking a rule or two here or there .. and rightly so. But all the while I had the choice to stay or go. I'm not the baddest or the most contentious or the mouthiest so maybe I buy myself an easy run but - over all of that is the basic value of KB. If it was not worth my time being involved (as little or as much as you may think I am)... then I wouldn't be here.

Instead - I choose to stay.

The mods do a bitch of a job. Peacekeeping the Middle East would possibly be simpler. I don't want the job, and to be blunt - I am convinced I'm not up to it. Respect for those that are.

Ixion and Motu are both big boys who are more than capable of making their own decisions, and they have. They chose to leave. I don't understand it personally, but then I don't have all the facts and I know them well enough to respect their decisions were made after suitably weighing up everything for and against.

I fail to see the big deal, and to be honest I'm not sure it should be one. Should it? (Rhetorical)

[Patrick]

YOUR ARE the RANTER < I CAN HEAR YOU FROM HERE

THIS ONE TIME I WAS OUT PATROLLING THE DEADLY HIGHWAY IN MY COMMONWHORE AND....

Hmmmm.... Capitals....

Does this cop an infraction too???

[Hitcher]

Hmmmm.... Capitals....

Does this cop an infraction too???

Only if he does it excessively or makes a habit of it. Ditto for incredibly large font sizes or other extravagances whilst posting.

[Sniper]

Only if he does it excessively or makes a habit of it. Ditto for incredibly large font sizes or other extravagances whilst posting.

What about really annoying tiny font so that you need really big glasses???

[ManDownUnder]

What about really annoying tiny font so that you need really big glasses???

...what?.....

[Storm]

Speak up young fulla, cant hear a word !!!

[Patrick]

Only if he does it excessively or makes a habit of it. Ditto for incredibly large font sizes or other extravagances whilst posting.

From memory, I did this the once.... so....... confused!

[Hitcher]

From memory, I did this the once.... so....... confused!

FFS. You got a warning, not an infraction. Keep this pathetically persistent "woe poor me" nonsense up and I'm certain that could be remedied.

[ManDownUnder]

FFS. You got a warning, not an infraction. Keep this pathetically persistent "woe poor me" nonsense up and I'm certain that could be remedied.

Exactly... everyone around here know I am the victim around here!

[Joni]

FFS. You got a warning, not an infraction. Keep this pathetically persistent "woe poor me" nonsense up and I'm certain that could be remedied.Yup I agree... people dont know the difference between a warning and an infraction...

If this is the drama with a warning, shit knows what will happen if he ever gets infracted!

:shit:

[Storm]

Why, another mod bashing thread of course.(we've only another 100 to go to make the Guiness Book Of Records, y'know:bleh: )

[Patrick]

FFS. You got a warning, not an infraction. Keep this pathetically persistent "woe poor me" nonsense up and I'm certain that could be remedied.


Yup I agree... people dont know the difference between a warning and an infraction...

If this is the drama with a warning, shit knows what will happen if he ever gets infracted!

:shit:

I got an infraction not a warning... if you dont know the difference (since you issued it), how can I?

No drama... just pointing out something here... jeez, what an easy wind up:bleh:

Woe is me....:killingme :rofl:

[Hitcher]

I got an infraction not a warning... if you dont know the difference (since you issued it), how can I?

Bugger. You're right, and an infraction for the wrong reason too. Double sorry. I've now reversed this and made it a warning, like it was supposed to be all along.

Sorry once more.

[Patrick]

Bugger. You're right, and an infraction for the wrong reason too. Double sorry. I've now reversed this and made it a warning, like it was supposed to be all along.

Sorry once more.

Cheers, no need to be sorry as it isn't a biggie, but accepted all the same... spotted the reason too and that also had me scratching, hence the posts... but it was still fun...!!! Woe is me...

[Joni]

You see, one pm and this would have been sorted... instead of complaining for weeks. Easy Peasey! :sunny:

[MSTRS]

Cheers, no need to be sorry as it isn't a biggie, but accepted all the same... spotted the reason too and that also had me scratching, hence the posts... but it was still fun...!!! Woe is me...

Just pay it forward....there's a biker out there with a warning coming instead of a infringement.....:sunny:

[Patrick]

... instead of complaining for weeks. Easy Peasey! :sunny:

Yeah, Peasey..... (P/T):whistle:

But this is KB!!! Of course we have to complain for weeks and weeks...!!!:shutup: :dodge:

[Patrick]

Just pay it forward....there's a biker out there with a warning coming instead of a infringement.....:sunny:

Helen is missing out on millions of $$$ from bikers from me....

[MSTRS]

Helen is missing out on millions of $$$ from bikers from me....

:niceone: can you prove it?:devil2:

[Patrick]

:niceone: can you prove it?:devil2:

The fella doing 167 on the Desert Rd can vouch for it for starters... hate to add it all up, coz I might get the arse if the bosses knew... all those quotas lost ...

[MSTRS]

Give me your patrol regime and perhaps I can 'test' you.....:dodge:

[Grahameeboy]

The fella doing 167 on the Desert Rd can vouch for it for starters... hate to add it all up, coz I might get the arse if the bosses knew... all those quotas lost ...

Only 167kph? No venues etc mentioned but I was on a ride where 210kph was let off the hook...............

[Patrick]

Give me your patrol regime and perhaps I can 'test' you.....:dodge:

Depends how many quotas I may need...:innocent: but always keen for a bike ride and a beer anywhere with anyone...

May need to get out to Whangamomona... there is a new owner and I hear he is a good keen biker (ex copper too)

[Patrick]

You see, one pm and this would have been sorted... instead of complaining for weeks. Easy Peasey! :sunny:

Just to be clear, not once did I complain, was quite happy to wear it on the chin, as one infraction in two years wasn't going to make me stress out of the job or life in general...:yes: but saw what appeared to be double standards and clear confusion (from us the members and you the mods)...

Just warned others of the "seriousness" of typing in capitals, thats all... and the wrath of the mods was upon me until the error was spotted and sorted...

But, how many warnings then make an infraction??? (Was tempted to type in capitals to find out, but this "one post could sort it easy peasey...")?

[kro]

I'll probably get arseholes for saying this but... LOL. Every online community I have participated in, has had a dozen or more of these "incidents", and they always end the same.

I think if Ix wanted to govern outside the box, then he had to expect some flak. The site is for the people, not the cliques, not the mods, not the in-crowd, but for the greater community, and thus, it has to be run as such, with one set of rules for all, otherwise it ends like this every single freaking time......

No ill to Ix, I like the guy, none to anyone else for that matter, I'm just stating the bleeding obvious, it's a gift of mine.

[onearmedbandit]

Just warned others of the "seriousness" of typing in capitals, thats all... and the wrath of the mods was upon me until the error was spotted and sorted...



SpankMe is big on 'netiquitte'.

[Crasherfromwayback]

last time I leave you guys and gals to play in peace for a few weeks!
Look what's happened!

[kro]

last time I leave you guys and gals to play in peace for a few weeks!
Look what's happened!

Yeah same, I get snowed under with work/family and riding, and come back a month later to this... gah !!