Biaggi is a dick (17 June)

[BigG]

This is a problem going into corners at high speed and getting it wrong. This cost him a place and cost Haaga valuable points. Not so bad if you dont involve anybody else but what a dick. What do you guys reckon.

[sAsLEX]

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[quallman1234]

Stuipd move, from a desperte man.

[sAsLEX]

Where is Gibernau these days?

All those that have battled with and lost in close proximity to Rossi have passed by the wayside.

[riffer]

He retired.

[pritch]

Stuipd move, from a desperte man.

Biaggi would have been under pressure to perform in front of an Italian crowd. He has always had the reputation that he would try the "all or nothing" thing.

The commentators had been saying that Haga used "different" lines. Haga left Biaggi an opening (however small) and he took it,. Unfortunately the first Haga knew about this development was when he hit Biaggi.

To find yourself unexpectedly on your arse at 200kph is the sort of surprise that I can certainly do without...

[Macktheknife]

It was an exceptionally short-sighted attempt really, even I could see it wasn't going to work! I felt bad for Haga too, an off at 250k's is never funny but full marks to Haga for his restraint in the gravel pit.
Sure does change the standings too.

[riffer]

...full marks to Haga for his restraint in the gravel pit.

Ahem. The only reason he was restrained enough to only throw kitty litter at Biaggi was because there were no rocks nearby I reckon. :mellow:

[Crasherfromwayback]

It was an exceptionally short-sighted attempt really, even I could see it wasn't going to work! I felt bad for Haga too, an off at 250k's is never funny but full marks to Haga for his restraint in the gravel pit.
Sure does change the standings too.

I can't agree with you on that one.
Yes it was Max's fault.....but it's simply the sort of hard move we've seen many a racer try on before. How many people slagged off Rossi for doing likewise to Gibernau on the last corner a couple of years ago?

He had the run on Haga....went for the gap...didn't quite have the speed to get his nose in front before Haga came across his nose and bloodied it!

It's not as if he torpedoed Haga like Pedrosa did Hayden last year.

[quallman1234]

Biaggo is an interesting character, He only thinks about 1st place and doesnt care too much about who he is racing.
This is just my own oppion thought.

Anyone else got any oppions on Biaggo's racing tatics?

[Macktheknife]

I can't agree with you on that one.
Yes it was Max's fault.....but it's simply the sort of hard move we've seen many a racer try on before. How many people slagged off Rossi for doing likewise to Gibernau on the last corner a couple of years ago?

He had the run on Haga....went for the gap...didn't quite have the speed to get his nose in front before Haga came across his nose and bloodied it!

It's not as if he torpedoed Haga like Pedrosa did Hayden last year.

True but I reckon that if I could see that it wasn't going to work, then he should have been able to. Haga took the same line every time through there and Max just didn't have the legs to carry it off.
Mind you, I'm not saying it was deliberate, just a poor decision on his part.

[Crasherfromwayback]

True but I reckon that if I could see that it wasn't going to work, then he should have been able to. Haga took the same line every time through there and Max just didn't have the legs to carry it off.
Mind you, I'm not saying it was deliberate, just a poor decision on his part.

Nah mate.....we have the luxury as couch experts of way different angles etc!
The way I see/saw it....he always intended to make the pass there....he started his run...committed to it, but didn't quite get far enough up quick enough to let Haga see he was there. Another three or four inches and Haga would've seen him and picked his bike up a tad so to avoid what happened.

[Macktheknife]

Nah mate.....we have the luxury as couch experts of way different angles etc!
The way I see/saw it....he always intended to make the pass there....he started his run...committed to it, but didn't quite get far enough up quick enough to let Haga see he was there. Another three or four inches and Haga would've seen him and picked his bike up a tad so to avoid what happened.

Actually can't fully agree there, Haga couldn't pull up or he would have run off, his line was committed. I don't know enough about racing protocol to know who had 'ROW' in that situation, or if that even applies to these guys, but Haga was really out of choices there I think.
I would call it my 2c worth, but that might be overvaluing it.

[quallman1234]

Have a look

http://youtube.com/watch?v=waK857XA0WU

[avgas]

That move was cocky reckless. It was similar to what Haga used to do but Biaggi cant pull it off in the same style

[Crasherfromwayback]

Actually can't fully agree there, Haga couldn't pull up or he would have run off, his line was committed. I don't know enough about racing protocol to know who had 'ROW' in that situation, or if that even applies to these guys, but Haga was really out of choices there I think.
I would call it my 2c worth, but that might be overvaluing it.

Yeah he (Haga) would've more than likely run out of track if he'd picked it up.
But if Biaggi was just in front of him that'd be too bad!
That's the price you pay at that level for leaving the door open....even if it's only by a couple of inches. These guys don't expect to be asked twice.

Dunno if you've ever seen it.....but there was a fantastic picture doing the rounds years ago of Aaron Slight sticking it inside of a fellow Aussie Superbike racer.....man....talk about aggressive....but it stuck. The difference between hero and silly homo can be milli seconds. I'll see if I can dig up the Slight pic!

[cowboyz]

True but I reckon that if I could see that it wasn't going to work, then he should have been able to. Haga took the same line every time through there and Max just didn't have the legs to carry it off.
Mind you, I'm not saying it was deliberate, just a poor decision on his part.

To me it looks like a (small) gap was there. If he could have held it a little tighter it would have been close but he would have made it. Definitely not deliberate, turned out to be a poor decision BUT IF he had made it...............

[Drew]

That move was cocky reckless. It was similar to what Haga used to do but Biaggi cant pull it off in the same style


Reckless my arse, the move was smooth, and calculated, and went wrong by fuck all! The only problem, was, at the top level racing, fuck all is all you have. Get a clue, or a race bike if you could do better.

[Brian d marge]

I have only watched the u tube clip ( will study it more ..for scientific research you understand !!!)

but I would have gone for that gap ...

( THOUGH,,,,Haga does have a point and squirt style ,,,,,,soooo I would have been expecting him to come across ... )

Still some u win some you dont ... thats life

Next

Stephen

[DEATH_INC.]

I'm a huge haga fan, but I believe Max's move was legit, Haga woulda done it, hell I may even have given it a go......there was a gap, that's all you need.....it may have not been well thought out but what the hell....

[onearmedbandit]

+1. I'm no fan of Biaggi but that imo was a legit move. If it had of stuck it would've been a heroic move. But it didn't, and that's racing.

[BigG]

+1. I'm no fan of Biaggi but that imo was a legit move. If it had of stuck it would've been a heroic move. But it didn't, and that's racing. Corse it was a lagit move, Haga left him room to get through, but the bloody dick head was going to quick, Haga kept his line and dick head hit him, bad judgement on his behalf but I suppose thats high class raceing.:Punk:

[White trash]

Corse it was a lagit move, Haga left him room to get through, but the bloody dick head was going to quick, Haga kept his line and dick head hit him, bad judgement on his behalf but I suppose thats high class raceing.:Punk:
Think ya might have been watching a different race mate :) If anyone hit anyone, Haga hit Biaggi, simply because he didn't know he was there.

When you're racing, you go for the gap. I'm learning that slowly.

Nicko's a fucken expert!

[roadracingoldfart]

If ya hit a car / bike on the left hand side here ya get a ticket for being in the wrong. So.... Haga goes to jail and Biaggi can claim for damages !!!!:yes:


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[sAsLEX]

Nicko's a fucken expert!

Thought that was:

'How to crash, red flag a race, restart and red flag the race again, and then restart to finish, third times a charm!'

[Deano]

I don't think Biaggi was ever going to make that move stick in a million years of trying.

Now if he had of got the front wheel ahead of Haga before impact, I might agree that it was legit. To 'steal' a piece of tarmac from another racer is one thing but that is not what happened.

So he is a dick.

[White trash]

You're a dick.

[Toaster]

Well, he gave it a go and it when pair-shaped. Bummer for the both of them. They both looked understandably gutted.... but that's racing!

[Drew]

I don't think Biaggi was ever going to make that move stick in a million years of trying.

Now if he had of got the front wheel ahead of Haga before impact, I might agree that it was legit. To 'steal' a piece of tarmac from another racer is one thing but that is not what happened.

So he is a dick.

And yet, when I stuffed it up the inside of Jarrod Wintle, the last time I raced the fizzer, you were saying how cool a move it was. I saw a gap, knew he was gonna use that line, but got there first, how's it different. (Except for the obvious, him and I are not ever gonna be GP riders)

[Crasherfromwayback]

I don't think Biaggi was ever going to make that move stick in a million years of trying.

Now if he had of got the front wheel ahead of Haga before impact, I might agree that it was legit. To 'steal' a piece of tarmac from another racer is one thing but that is not what happened.

So he is a dick.

Can't agree with you either Deano.

I'm no ex 'GP' or 'WSB' racer, but I've done a few laps with some pretty handy racers...a lot of them in pretty close 'company'.

When you're fired up and hungry....and you've stalked your 'prey' for a few laps, looking for the one slight 'weekness' they may have.......once you make the decision to 'ambush' them in a place that you've worked out you've got a better/faster line than they have....and you pull the pin and commit to the pass....it's too late. Doesn't mean you're a dickhead if it goes wrong.
You're a dickhead if you torpedo someone midships....or if you lock the front and skittle them. But to come up inches short of pulling off a huge and massively brave move on a really fast and scary part of the track is no reason to slag Max off.

And for the record.....I think Max is one of the worlds biggest Dickheads. He should ride for Foggarty.

I've done some pretty agressive moves on some pretty agressive riders.
I've had the same and them some done to me.

But if I was Haga....and yes, I probably would've kicked kitty litter at Biaggi too......once I'd seen the video replay.....I'd probably go over to Biaggi's pit and shake hands......say "sorry I'm a sand kicking bully".....and "by the way Wop Boy....gizza fucking Corona!"

[sAsLEX]

You're a dickhead if you torpedo someone midships....or if you lock the front and skittle them.

E l i a s

[Crasherfromwayback]

E l i a s

Yeah he's pretty hairy alright!

At the same time though....he rode like Satan himself was up his rectum at Portugal last year. It was (I thought anyway) a display of what he may well achieve if he lives long enough.

I mentioned last season that Casey Stoner was the man to watch this year....got laughed at. "He's a crasher!"

So what? You can teach a fast guy to stop crashing....or he'll learn himself.
Elias is the same this year.

Personally, I think it's the best thing that's ever happened to the 'Blue Ribbon' Class of motorcycle racing.

Young, hungry and slightly loose young guys trying their best to make a name in a class that was previously full of 'past their use by dates but I've got plenty of sponsorship money coming with me' soft cunts.

Surely you don't want it to be like it was when we had two or three fast guys out in front.....with no chance of an upset?

I said (yeah.....I've got a crystal ball) last year, that Hayden winning the championship was the best thing that's happened to Moto GP. And I stand by that.

Because now we've got a new breed of racer that's not afraid of Rossi anymore.
They saw him succumb to pressure in the last round. They belive he's only human now.

It's also bringing the best out of Rossi. Shit....he's ridden like the God of two wheeled racing he is this year. But he's still got it all in front of him.
Sure Stoners Duccati was way faster in the first couple of rounds. But the difference between the two bikes in Spain last weekend was not worth squat.

I say....let the young guys loose. Feed them ten Red Bulls before each race.
Light touch paper and stand well clear!

I love fireworks!!!:Punk:

[aff-man]

Looked like a perfectly legit move to me... Don't know if haga would've run off though if biaggi had maybe 20cm more go I think he would have seen him in time to run the corner a bit wider and not hit him......... depends on the speed he was carrying of course

[Deano]

And yet, when I stuffed it up the inside of Jarrod Wintle, the last time I raced the fizzer, you were saying how cool a move it was. I saw a gap, knew he was gonna use that line, but got there first, how's it different. (Except for the obvious, him and I are not ever gonna be GP riders)

He didn't turn into you because you were already there and he knew it - hence my point about getting a wheel in front.

Biaggi was NEVER going to make that move stick - there simply was never going to be enough room. He may as well have torpedoed Haga midships, because that is effectively the end result.

[BigG]

Think ya might have been watching a different race mate :) If anyone hit anyone, Haga hit Biaggi, simply because he didn't know he was there.

When you're racing, you go for the gap. I'm learning that slowly.

Nicko's a fucken expert! If you play back in slow mo frame by frame you will see that Hagga never moved a bit , he kept his line, Biagi took him out, He is still a Dick Anyway the second race was good and the placeings were justified.

[denill]

You will see that Hagga never moved a bit , he kept his line, Biagi took him out, He is still a Dick

Yeah, Haga didn't move a bit - because he didn't know a dickhead was coming through a non-existent gap.

[denill]

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2007/wsbk/miss-ano/ants/>Some Pics of Haga and Biaggi in the kitty litter:</A>

Like this caption: "You're Max Biagg. You just crashed, took out Haga and hurt your body. Can this get any worse? Yes. Rossi is standing in the corner you crashed in and you have to walk past him".

[codgyoleracer]

If you to have place blame - I would say lay it with Biaggi (just), as at no time did his front wheel pass hagas. Haga was on the same line that Biaggi had seen him take for many laps beforehand & it would be reasnoble to think that Biaggi would of planned the entire move. (he wouldnt plan to deliberatly hit haga as part of the move - he is made of blood & bone like the rest of us).
Biaggis mistake was not running through the first part of the corner & making the move beyond Hagas front wheel in the entry part of the corner. Instead he seemed to simply to try to hold a faster + tighter line which is a big call if your not certain of whether you can hold it or not.
If he had made the move in the first part of the corner & run a traditional "block pass" - they both would have exited albeit on a slower line.
White trash - a gap is not a gap if there aint no exit at the end of it. (thats called a dead end)
GlenW :shit:

[Crasherfromwayback]

White trash - a gap is not a gap if there aint no exit at the end of it. (thats called a dead end)
GlenW :shit:

No it's not. That's an unfinished tunnel.
There indeed was enough of a gap left there to make the pass.....he simply didn't quite carry it off.

[denill]

From where I sat (the armchair) the first thing Haga knew about Biaggi's move was when he said WTF, or whatever they say in Japanese, as he was sliding along the deck.

[madkeenandy]

max's fault.

if it was anywhere near a legit move, then haga would have noticed him and tryed to avoid the inevitable crash. Haga couldn't see max, so it was hardly any form of sticking a wheel in front, instead max went in, haga took his usual line, completely oblivious to max, and hey presto its time for asphalte surfing.........

but saying that, you can argue on whoes fault it was for years, when its still racing, and this has always happened, and always will. If he had pulled it off it would have been a brilliant pass, he didn't so it was a bad move. Haga will get over it and thorougly thrash max next round anyway, hes still in contention for the title...

[ZeroIndex]

I thought this was going to be an old post seeing how this is exactly how Biaggi used to race... All or nothing... I bet he front-tuck-lowsided it going to fast into a corner?


Wayne Rainey: Oh, it's not a rivalry at all. I haven't seen Biaggi win anything.


Random quote: I saw Biaggi crash today and didn't think twice about it because I've seen him do it countless times under pressure from Rossi or trying to match Valentino's pace. He did it twice at the end of last season. Nothing new...

[Brian d marge]

well just watched that race
Haga was drifting wide and there was a gap ( i watched the European version ) On saying that max a few corners earlier had a big old slide
So if the pass was earlier in the race , it would have stuck imho.

I couldnt see who touched who . ( think max lost his front , ) but Haga definitely went wide from the view i saw

Stephen

boring race though