KB racing team?

[Brian d marge]

Have been mulling this over for a while . Some people use the internet like a big resource, u know when you cant see the wood for the trees ask here and someone can put u on the right path.

Well Expand on that a wee bit, We all have skills in ALL shapes and forms, but its time we dont have BUT we ( with the use of the internet ) Share our skills, to help a luck sausage win the nationals ( ie I am tired of the same faces , want to see the underdog win , preferably a KB rider ....Hey whats wrong with that??????)

So What I was thinking was we break down the task of racing into its components, then people can say ,,hey I can do that and because there are a lot of willing hands the size of each task is small ( and easier ).

Lets use ( sorry Frosty , I ll use your bike as an example, though I would prefer u rider a Honda :dodge:)


But what does that bike need to run at the top ,, new fork springs ?? a Gonk key ring ??? well I can supply the fork springs ( They become my fork springs with he understanding that they be used to win the nationals, when finished with I can have em back or what ever I decide to do with em ,, )

I also have skills not great but can do , I design bike parts here in Japan So my skills I would have to offer would be CAD , and Part Purchasing/sourcing

Others here have access to machining equip, Still more have skills in Marketing , Transport , You name it . and as it would be a shared task it makes it a whole lot easier, ie many hands make light work


What I would like to see though is the game of NZ motorcycling lifted to a more professional level

What I mean by this is, we have here on KB people with trades , Engineering shops , paint shops , Free advertising ie the PIT area professionally set up with advertising ( have a careful look how the GP pit is set up ...its the same concrete bunker as supplied at most tracks , but look at what they use and where things are kept. ( the public cannot see the shit ! , such as broken fairings and fuel cans etc . )

the firms that are being advertised can supply their advertising . work with some one here even supply some of the time to help ..


this needs to be co ordinated so that A knows what B is doing , and I am sure that a database , spreadsheet could be used ( Google's spreadsheets??)


If it took off and worked I dont see a problem in other riders joining .....

Just a thought thats all , why does one person have to try and do everything them self when there are others willing to help ?

Who would control this vast empire .... well could it not be made a sub forum / sticky thread of KB? because the mods here do do a fine job at the end of the day ,


What U all think ??

Stephen

[skelstar]

Cool idea. Would it become political when we decide on who should be riding the bike etc? ...what tyres we should be using?

Maybe make it a democracy and decide by poll or something *shrugs*... I don't mean to nit pick and take a negative approach, but playing devil's advocate is my thing :)

[Brian d marge]

I dont thinks so , if everyone is working for the same idea , and cause ,

As for tyres well its the BUM on the seat who has the final say , Confidence is a big thing.

In that situation, I would approach it like , here what I found , this is the reasons , try it see what you think !

If it is set up like say an organisation . with dept /section , who sole responsibility is to do one task.

and a forum where bullsh1t rules I rekon it would be a goa

Its just a thought I had while preparing mybike for racing ,, I have to do everything myself , so I can ( and dont have the skills OR MENTORS to bounce off ) to do a top notch Job ,, I just do the best I can

Stephen

and just like a forum , people can move on , drop in /out as there is always a skill base

[Meekey_Mouse]

Cool idea! I'd be happy to help out where I can :yes: but I don't think there would be much I could help out with, except for may be pit bitch, not umbrella chick though... I rather put the tyre warmers on and do the more productive stuff :p

[quallman1234]

Cool idea! I'd be happy to help out where I can :yes: but I don't think there would be much I could help out with, except for may be pit bitch, not umbrella chick though... I rather put the tyre warmers on and do the more productive stuff :p

Ohhh the truth comes out!

[Tim 39]

Sounds like quite a good idea

[Goblin]

....but I don't think there would be much I could help out with, except for may be pit bitch, not umbrella chick though... I rather put the tyre warmers on and do the more productive stuff :pNever underestimate the importance of keeping cool on the dummy grid, mid-summer! Very important job is holding the umbrella!

This is a great idea. You want to support the underdog? I'm ya gal! I'd sure like to shake up F3 at a national/street circuit level.

[Macktheknife]

Could be workable, might need more than 1 bike though as there are some bloody good riders here.

[Brian d marge]

Well its Hammer time, what do we need to do ???

Stephen

[tri boy]

Good idea.:yes:
I think you would need to run such a team in a similar manner to any other race team.
This would still involve some sort of management, but those things could be worked out by far smarter people than myself.
The team would have a passionate following by this web site, and great things could be achieved:2thumbsup .

[skelstar]

Well its Hammer time, what do we need to do ???
I'm not really good at this but I reckon:

1. List what we need. Jobs/roles, gear/bikes.
2. Make a list of what we have...
3. Define the scope (Nats + PMCC + VMCC + BEARS etc)?
4. Some sort of mission statement?

[Brian d marge]

I'm not really good at this but I reckon:

1. List what we need. Jobs/roles, gear/bikes.
2. Make a list of what we have...
3. Define the scope (Nats + PMCC + VMCC + BEARS etc)?
4. Some sort of mission statement?


There you go give it a bash ...

Stephen

[Mom]

Hate to play devils advocate here but..... who is going to benefit from this KB race team, I know there will be no shortage of offers of assistance, but who will it go to? There are so many out there doing it that would no doubt benefit from a bit of support, on and off the road. So who will be the recipient?

[moT]

well i can race F3 got bike set up n all

[Goblin]

Hate to play devils advocate here but..... who is going to benefit from this KB race team, I know there will be no shortage of offers of assistance, but who will it go to? There are so many out there doing it that would no doubt benefit from a bit of support, on and off the road. So who will be the recipient?All of Kb could potentially benefit from a KB race team. Would be cool for all who donate to the cause to see Kbers doing well in racing. Why not have multiple recipients?
Even something that seems as trivial as holding an umbrella, or a few petrol vouchers can go a long way.

[koba]

Hate to play devils advocate here but..... who is going to benefit from this KB race team, I know there will be no shortage of offers of assistance, but who will it go to? There are so many out there doing it that would no doubt benefit from a bit of support, on and off the road. So who will be the recipient?

Me!
And I selflessley volunteer to ride :)

No really maybe make it like the Vic club scholarship bikes and vote a commitee to decide on a deserving rider.

Would have to decide between a focus on "giving it a go" for deserving riders or winning those with the best chance of a result or somwhere between.

Sounds like shitloads of thankless hard work, but may be worth it...

[skelstar]

Well, A1GP have more than one driver...could work here too. Have someone racing in PMCC, someone in VMCC, someone in the SI series, Paeroa/Wangas, and the Cliffhanger Hill Climb. Obv there would be more in the way of ferrying the bike around, but with the right resources it could be done....couldn't it?

[moT]

I to can ride for the KB racing team!

[HDTboy]

Repost
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=25922&highlight=team+kb

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=20262&highlight=team+kb

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=20659&highlight=team+kb

[Mom]

I am liking the idea very much, dont take me wrong, a big pool of talent to draw from for whoever needs it sounds wonderful! Perhaps we also need to establish exactly what form of help is required? Yes of course finance is always going to be required, but who actually needs what? Goblin says dolly brolley would be wonderful, shit even I can do that!.....LOL

skelstar seems to have an idea of what needs to be done, perhaps a spread sheet of needs/and one of abilities to share?

[FROSTY]

Ive been pushing this idea for quite some time.
My reasoning was simply the buying power we would have --Imagine the difference going into a tyre crowd n saying--YePI want 20 sets of PP's -5 asets of levers etc etc

[deanohit]

Great idea.Would be interested in helping out, but not sure what I could do. Looks like the ideas been around a while, but it would be awesome to see TEAM KIWIBIKER RACING:scooter: actually work some time in the future.Agree with Frosty and others that it should be open to more than one bike and one series, imagine the savings that could be made buying things in bulk.

[skelstar]

skelstar seems to have an idea of what needs to be done
I struggle to organise a bowl of rice and some tuna for dinner. Besides going to need someone who has at least done some racing.

I can provide some website services etc though.

[Mom]

Ok I am going to be the devil in this again, the reason perhaps that this idea has not worked in the past is simply because there has been no one prepared or able to drive it properly. Much as I would love to be able to my lifestyle/job/family does not allow the kind of time that would be required. It is a wonderful idea, but........maybe too many obstacles to be a sucess?

[skelstar]

...maybe too many obstacles to be a sucess?
Lets wait more than 8 hours.

Hoping more people get excited about this than just folk who want a free bike to race.

[Mom]

LMAO, sorry did not mean to sound like I wanted to consign this to failure mate. I would love to see something like this take off and really benefit the people that are out there doing what I cant, but love to see!

[rustys]

Goblin, your gon'a hold the umbrella, in your Kin'es "WOW i will be there and sponser the petrol vouchers.:rockon:

[skelstar]

I can do website shit, probably get the domain name and pages going and all that...sponsors logos and all that. I'll also be right in there pit-bitching if needed...get there early and all that!

What can you guys provide? Photographers? Welding guys? Caterers? Accountants? Project Managers?

Roles can be quite varied.

Just thinking aloud here.

[Lissa]

I think it sounds good. I would help out where I could. Cant do much except take dodgy photos, provide chocolate and support.

[Drew]

This is a very cool idea, depending on where the bike is based, I can provide north island transport to the meetings I'll be racing at, which will be most.

I plan on doing the nationals, but since I'm on another guys bike, that comes down to him.

Re the rider, perhaps a smart type, could put the info of lap times, compared to average of the class they race in, then take into consideration the bike by comparison. For KB members already racing. I'd prefer to back someone, who has been willing to put the effort in themselves first.

The talent pool IS quite large on here, but I feel if you're aiming to win a national title, then there can be NO personal agenda considered.

My two cents, and usually worth less than two cents can buy at the corner dairy.

[_Gina_]

Re the rider, perhaps a smart type, could put the info of lap times, compared to average of the class they race in, then take into consideration the bike by comparison. For KB members already racing. I'd prefer to back someone, who has been willing to put the effort in themselves first.


My two cents, and usually worth less than two cents can buy at the corner dairy.
2 cents - Bull shit!

This is one of the better ideas that I have ever seen dude.
Completely impartial and and and.....


Think about how many times have you looked at someone who races on a shoestring but wrings everything out to the max and but for a decent ride they would potentially be a contender for racing the Nationals!!!

:yes:

[roadracingoldfart]

As most of the applicants for my CANBRACE sponsored ride next year are from KB im happy to look at a combined effort by making the bike available under the TEAM KB banner.
Hell CANBRACE may even get behind a second bike and team from the start to get full monty exposure, even in two differant classes.
Get the rite people involved and its a good enough recipe to work.
I will watch this thread with interest.
Cheers Paul.

[Tim 39]

As most of the applicants for my CANBRACE sponsored ride next year are from KB im happy to look at a combined effort by making the bike available under the TEAM KB banner.
Hell CANBRACE may even get behind a second bike and team from the start to get full monty exposure, even in two differant classes.

I like what your company is doing, good on you and keep it up! we need more corporate sponsors in road racing, thats one of the biggest problems the sport is having at the moment

[kb_SF1]

:rockon:
Agree, a great idea and I'll help in any way I can for anyone racing Taupo and north.

[Tim 39]

While we are on this subject, does anyone know of a national company (or any really) that might be interested in sponsoring a 125gp team (south island) this year? any suggestions/ help would be greatly appreciated

[cowpoos]

whats interesting about this thread...is its a great concept...

and there are alot of KBers already racing abd doing very well...and there is no reason why the people offering help and support on this thread can't help or support the guys and gals already out there doing the hard yards...living off rice and frozen vege's [or pies in twosmokers case] to race bikes!!
Any help..no matter how small is a big help on race day..or test/practise days...people don't realise the amount on mental effort is takes to race bikes...let alone prep and and adjust,fix fine tune through out a day at the track... to beable to step off your bike and have it taken off you and looked after/sorted to how you need it...would be outstanding!!! the physical and mental effort required to race is far far greater than most people comprehend... and on the other foot...helping out racers...you would be exposed to a wealth of riding knowledge /techinques and like wise in regaurd to bike setup and maintainence...that may never get the chance to be exposed too!!!

Never underestimate what it takes to do what we do...at every level out there...and never ever underestimate how much you would be helping someone out by offering to help!!

[Tim 39]

whats interesting about this thread...is its a great concept...

and there are alot of KBers already racing abd doing very well...and there is no reason why the people offering help and support on this thread can't help or support the guys and gals already out there doing the hard yards...living off rice and frozen vege's [or pies in twosmokers case] to race bikes!!
Any help..no matter how small is a big help on race day..or test/practise days...people don't realise the amount on mental effort is takes to race bikes...let alone prep and and adjust,fix fine tune through out a day at the track... to beable to step off your bike and have it taken off you and looked after/sorted to how you need it...would be outstanding!!! the physical and mental effort required to race is far far greater than most people comprehend... and on the other foot...helping out racers...you would be exposed to a wealth of riding knowledge /techinques and like wise in regaurd to bike setup and maintainence...that may never get the chance to be exposed too!!!

Never underestimate what it takes to do what we do...at every level out there...and never ever underestimate how much you would be helping someone out by offering to help!!

I agree here... for those things to be taken care of takes such a weight off any racers mind, they can do so much better. Helping people can give quite a sense of achievement when they do well also. I have helped out a few streetstock riders with coaching and when I've made a difference to their racing, it gives me a good sense of achievement to know I've helped someone do better

[MadDuck]

Yeah hear what you are saying Mr Poos! BUT a well known KBer asked me one day.

Why dont the KBers that race ask for help? My response was kinda along the lines of "Its their hobby, they love to race, eat baked beans, wallet diets, fart alot (thats for you HDTBoy)...and what does a sponsor get back?" As a sponsor putting money in what do they want back? Do they want anything back? Would it be enough to see KB promoted?

Theres a million questions. I have helped a couple of racers not necessarily at the higher end and I get the satisfaction that they do well.

A similar concept was mooted about 2 years ago (and Shaun shot me down btw)when we had the likes of Twosmoker and Kwaka all starting out but the site has expanded sooooo much theres so many awesome racers on here.

Maybe and just maybe its a thought that people on KB willing to help out a racer do it one on one? Sell yourselves as individuals. Tell us why we should support you as opposed to the next racer.

I mean "Poos racing" kinda has a ring to it dont ya think? Oh and not many KBers read the "Racing" threads

[cowpoos]

Yeah hear what you are saying Mr Poos! BUT a well known KBer asked me one day.

Why dont the KBers that race ask for help?

we don't...you are right...for the most part...

Thanks chick...I'm going to go start another thread!!




I mean "Poos racing" kinda has a ring to it dont ya think? Oh and not many KBers read the "Racing" threads

Its...PTR..[Poo's Team Racing]...and its soon to be incorparated as PTRacing Ltd... and it does have a ring to it... [yes I got the pun too...lol]

[mikey]

this idea is as good/bad as communism and doubt it works, i will buy every member of the team beer if it does. (ranfurly)

darwin wins the race

i am available for making a NZ road based very entertaining dvd on said race bike to sell and raise futher funds if it ever works, though i hope it doesnt as ranfurly has hit $1 for a 440ml!!!!!!

efit>>>> i have been advised to lower the odds and offer rhieneck.

[ajturbo]

Never underestimate the importance of keeping cool on the dummy grid, mid-summer! Very important job is holding the umbrella!

.

great.. you have a the job... i have an umbrella:innocent:

(yes yes... i'll hold it for you in your race..)

[Goblin]

great.. you have a the job... i have an umbrella:innocent:

(yes yes... i'll hold it for you in your race..):niceone: But no bikinis ok!

[Brian d marge]

Kiwi biker web site works doesnt it ?
we all drift in and out contribute , get something in return ( not enough red rep i might add ,No green just red !)

You see people are inherently Lazy , but we all want everything, So if the task of racing is broken down into its bits and pieces and people volunteered for tasks , Say for example the bike wasnt hooking up under power, a more experienced person could give some possible solutions , and the others could provide the man power/ parts/ tea to fix the prob.

Exactly how its run in the bigger teams , everyone has a task ( with other people being able to take over if cant be met ) reporting back to A the relevant people ( those given the job of solving the problem ) and everyone else ( to keep everyone in the loop ( same post copied and pasted )

So first a task has to be set , ie to win a national race / or to place in the top 5

So as Drew said , what lap times do you need

what machinery / rider can do this

do we have it available


Poos is so right about racing , By the time I have set my pit area up ( bike already prepped I rarely have to do anything at a meeting , jetting /gearing , and thats already close as I have a huge amount of notes from last time )


Finally Kb works because of the mods , they do all those wee jobs in the background ( the day to day running it could be expanded to include this ( polls can be usefull )

a parking place for stuff / documents Google groups???


Finally the reason communism get a bad name is peoples greed and personal agendas

the only thing I want to see out of this is ...imagine a pit area looking flash like Repsol Honda , with the crew going about their business , looking flash , and being that a hospitality area BBQ, drinks . other stuff , and out front of this incubator , a young lass /lad trying to become the next Arron slight ,,, How cool would it be to say i am apart of that ..( I know that guy I help him at ,,,,,,,)


and finally as Frosty says , a bulk order of bits helps everyone ... ( Everyone wins , companies ( free advertising of wares) US , ( skills /upgrades/ learning fun ) Rider/s ( a load off their mind


lets get this ball rolling


Stephen

[Meekey_Mouse]

Never underestimate the importance of keeping cool on the dummy grid, mid-summer! Very important job is holding the umbrella!

This is a great idea. You want to support the underdog? I'm ya gal! I'd sure like to shake up F3 at a national/street circuit level.

That's very true! Never thought about that, but I still prefer the garage :innocent:

Any time you need a pit bitch... and I'd even be umbrella chick for you Kel :yes: ... just send me a PM :D :rockon:

[Drew]

2 cents - Bull shit!

This is one of the better ideas that I have ever seen dude.
Completely impartial and and and.....


Think about how many times have you looked at someone who races on a shoestring but wrings everything out to the max and but for a decent ride they would potentially be a contender for racing the Nationals!!!

:yes:

Did you even read my friggin post, I clearly said, that a person already doing it, but doin it tough would get my vote! The only way to know if a rider is up to the task, is to see what they can do on the track.

Think before ya speak!

BTW, I race on a shoestring budget, so I can fully appriciate what goes into it.

[HDTboy]

I think she was backing you up Drew

Two cents[?] Bullshit [That was two dollars worth]

This is one of the better ideas [your idea] I have ever seen dude.
[What you have nominated is] Completely impartial and and and...


For KB members already racing. I'd prefer to back someone, who has been willing to put the effort in themselves first.

Think about how many times have you looked at someone who races on a shoestring but wrings everything out to the max and but for a decent ride they would potentially be a contender for racing the Nationals!!!
[see, you've written the same thing]

[moT]

Did you even read my friggin post, I clearly said, that a person already doing it, but doin it tough would get my vote! The only way to know if a rider is up to the task, is to see what they can do on the track.

Think before ya speak!

BTW, I race on a shoestring budget, so I can fully appriciate what goes into it.

i set a 1.24 for first time on manfield on my mostly standard vfr400? was with traffic aswell...and doing around 1.50 on taupo full uhh yeah ill happily voulenteer for a F3 rider if this thing starts :) im a student at the mo and i really wanna get into racing and would really apprecialte some help :)

[Drew]

I think she was backing you up Drew

Two cents[?] Bullshit [That was two dollars worth]

This is one of the better ideas [your idea] I have ever seen dude.
[What you have nominated is] Completely impartial and and and...



Think about how many times have you looked at someone who races on a shoestring but wrings everything out to the max and but for a decent ride they would potentially be a contender for racing the Nationals!!!
[see, you've written the same thing]

Oh yeah, I'm a dick:yes:

[_Gina_]

Oh yeah, I'm a dick:yes:
Are you a BIG dick???
:bleh:

[_Gina_]

I think she was backing you up Drew

Two cents[?] Bullshit [That was two dollars worth]

This is one of the better ideas [your idea] I have ever seen dude.
[What you have nominated is] Completely impartial and and and...



Think about how many times have you looked at someone who races on a shoestring but wrings everything out to the max and but for a decent ride they would potentially be a contender for racing the Nationals!!!
[see, you've written the same thing]
I may or may not have been under the influence when I wrote that....
:innocent:
It sounded right in my head!

[Drew]

Are you a BIG dick???
:bleh:

I couldn't say, it has however been said.

[roadracingoldfart]

Oh yeah, I'm a dick:yes:


Ok People its official . Straight from the Horses mouth itself .

Drew is apparently, officially a Dick :shit:

Fuck i thought he was an ok guy till he told me differant :gob:

Looks like the world passed me buy again ...................... Bugger.

[Tim 39]

i set a 1.24 for first time on manfield on my mostly standard vfr400? was with traffic aswell...and doing around 1.50 on taupo full uhh yeah ill happily voulenteer for a F3 rider if this thing starts :) im a student at the mo and i really wanna get into racing and would really apprecialte some help :)

I believe that if you help yourself get to where your trying to get, people will soon see your enthusiasm and help out. thats what I've found anyway

[Drew]

Ok People its official . Straight from the Horses mouth itself .

Drew is apparently, officially a Dick :shit:

Fuck i thought he was an ok guy till he told me differant :gob:

Looks like the world passed me buy again ...................... Bugger.

Lifes like that, never mind tho, you'll surely up with the play at some point.

Anyhoo, back on topic, this thread has had a lot of, "hell yeah, good plan", but sod all hands going up.

Come on people, list how you can contribute, dont worry about gettin a free ride at this point, let's just get it running. I've offered what I can at the moment, you do the same.

I am able to help with set up, but only to a basic degree, however, I can fix anything, with the bare minimum of gear and tools. So I will offer that service too.

Shit, I'll even start taking my welder to the track again to get behind this!!!

[HDTboy]

Shit, I'll even start taking my welder to the track again to get behind this!!!

Lets hope we don't need it.

I'll offer mechanical help when needed, but that's an already standing offer

[Brian d marge]

Lifes like that, never mind tho, you'll surely up with the play at some point.

Anyhoo, back on topic, this thread has had a lot of, "hell yeah, good plan", but sod all hands going up.

Come on people, list how you can contribute, dont worry about gettin a free ride at this point, let's just get it running. I've offered what I can at the moment, you do the same.

I am able to help with set up, but only to a basic degree, however, I can fix anything, with the bare minimum of gear and tools. So I will offer that service too.

Shit, I'll even start taking my welder to the track again to get behind this!!!

Right well Ill set up a goog;e groups and a spread sheet off services offered , but what is actually needed . to get a bike on the track ???

I can devote a few hours a day

Stephen

[Drew]

What's needed...

A bike is a good start, because a lot of what we need is specific to that particular bit of kit.

Tyre warmers are a must, top level guys have pit boards, so since that's where we wanna be, on the list it goes.

The task may seem daunting to some at the moment, but when that happens, remember there are thousands of members on here, far more solutions than there could ever be problems:yes:

Get thinkin guys and girls, what do we need, and what can you get???

[Brian d marge]

Right I have set up a google group where stuff can be stored , talked about etc
someone with more web smarts than me can do a better job if they wish but shes off and rolling

kiwibiker-racing@googlegroups.com (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/kiwibiker-racing@googlegroups.com)


I made it restricted , to be safe ...I dont know about these things ....I supose we can always change it !

Stephen

Ps I tried that link but it didnt work ..but the web page is there ...???? told you Im not good at this

try this one

http://groups.google.com/group/kiwibiker-racing

[Sparky Bills]

You will need a shop willing to get behind the team too, so depending where the team will be based, Id get talking to a few and see how you get on.

I think any racer is doing it on the bones of their ass!
Ive even considered giving racing a rest for a while, as i dont have $ to pa bills let alone race!
But then i came to my senses:innocent:

[Brian d marge]

You will need a shop willing to get behind the team too, so depending where the team will be based, Id get talking to a few and see how you get on.

I think any racer is doing it on the bones of their ass!
Ive even considered giving racing a rest for a while, as i dont have $ to pa bills let alone race!
But then i came to my senses:innocent:

any shops on KB that whant to chip into the pot ( doesnt have to be money , signage , time , white western women.... merinos??)

Stephen

[Drew]

I am waiting for my application to the group to be accepted. Guess they dont allow loud mouth, arrogant types to join straight away.

But it could be a mistake to take it out of KB. If we hit Spankme up, he might let us set it up as a "sticky" thread.

We need to maybe get it on the home page too, so it's there for all to see.

We need numbers people, THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!

[Sketchy_Racer]

Just my 2c

Also, it would be benificial for someone with a proven race history to mentor the rider.

You'd be suprised how much a few tips can make. Trust me.. im always looking for them!

[Brian d marge]

I am waiting for my application to the group to be accepted. Guess they dont allow loud mouth, arrogant types to join straight away.

But it could be a mistake to take it out of KB. If we hit Spankme up, he might let us set it up as a "sticky" thread.

We need to maybe get it on the home page too, so it's there for all to see.

We need numbers people, THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!

I was out fiddling with bike ,,,one has to eat !! Sticky good , but I figured we needed a place to park stuff ,,, thank you google !

As drew says , anyone anywhere anyhow ! and this will roll

Marketing , painting , shoetying , anything

I was watching a video today on D waltrip and how he goes about sponsors ,,,,,, whooooo we are on 2 different planets here business plans , target outcomes , how much increse in trade the sponsor would expect , an how much that would cost

Whooooo scary stuff

Anywho ..

there you go

Stephen