F800 Vs 990 SuperDuke [Archive]

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Zapf

30th June 2007, 22:53

justsomeguy

30th June 2007, 22:58

Have you gone mad? Why would you want that ugly BMW?

I've told you a hundred times by now - get the damn Goldwing and get it over and done with. It's a Honda too - like your 20 other bikes.

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The 990 of course.

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P.S: Slept in today - I'll go test ride that 990 you mentioned next Sat if the bloody weather holds.

Sensei

30th June 2007, 22:59

F800 Vs a Superduke ??? you have got to be joking !! Abit like a TL Vs RSV Aprilia . Superduke all the way to the Bank !

limbimtimwim

30th June 2007, 23:18

Well as an armchair expert who has only gawked at both in a shop, I'd have to say the Super Duke.

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--- KTM SUPERDUKE 990 ---
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--- BMW F800 ---

I mean, duh!

But if you are thinking like that, what about the KTM LC4 Super Moto Prestige?

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skelstar

30th June 2007, 23:27

You must be on drugs Felix...how much do you value low maintenance?

limbimtimwim

30th June 2007, 23:31

But, if the question was "Is the F800 a good bike?", the answer is probably "yes".

There is a particular local person who wheelies and ride the tyres off one, and heaps praise upon it. If he says the F800 is a good bike, it's a good bike.

Anyway, as someone who has ridden neither of these bikes, and is only killing time till the motogp, I shall shut up.

RantyDave

30th June 2007, 23:35

Yeah, but there's distance involved, right? Doesn't the SuperDuke have some insanely small tank?

Dave

jafar

30th June 2007, 23:38

Zapf

30th June 2007, 23:40

Yeah, but there's distance involved, right? Doesn't the SuperDuke have some insanely small tank?

Dave

yes as of the latest version the 07 now has a 18L tank

limbimtimwim

30th June 2007, 23:41

According to http://www.990superduke.com/ it is 18.5L.

It doesn't make insane horsepower, so it probably isn't thirsty. Maybe the old one was like that?

jafar

30th June 2007, 23:50

Yeah, but there's distance involved, right? Doesn't the SuperDuke have some insanely small tank?

Dave

18.5 litre tank on the ktm ..... should be ok for distance work

sAsLEX

1st July 2007, 00:18

Yeah, but there's distance involved, right? Doesn't the SuperDuke have some insanely small tank?

Dave

The current model has a larger tank as mentioned above......that WAS the only fault on the bike....

Only issue for touring would be who would put panniers on a Duke????

Zapf

1st July 2007, 00:33

Only issue for touring would be who would put panniers on a Duke????

I would. :P soft panniers

Gremlin

1st July 2007, 02:58

I'll take one superduke for a work bike... cheers :dodge:

imho, the beemer is ugly...

2_SL0

1st July 2007, 09:22

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Only issue for touring would be who would put panniers on a Duke????

Before I scrolled down to read Felix's reply, I was going to answer the question with:

:scooter::scooter:FELIX:scooter::scooter:

ZeroIndex

1st July 2007, 11:55

This is a nice BMW F800... If it wasn't this exact one, I'd definitely say go the SuperDuke

Zapf

2nd July 2007, 00:42

Only issue for touring would be who would put panniers on a Duke????

You mean like this?

jafar

4th July 2007, 23:55

You mean like this?

Nah they don't look right , get some soft ones for it :bleh:

tri boy

5th July 2007, 00:08

Drew

5th July 2007, 01:59

Any bike with "super" in front of its model name is built for tossers.
They're ugly European trash. I don't care how many medals/awards they have gathered, edge styl'n is shit, and passe.
Is that offensive?......bah,

Not offensive, just comes across as a "fishing" kind of remark.

I cant be arsed biting really, other than to say that the superduke is a well sorted bit of kit, ideal for playing silly buggers on:Punk:

Zapf

5th July 2007, 02:53

6th July 2007, 07:14

If you had to choose over a F800 or 990 SuperDuke for fun and the long (fun) trips. What would you choose and why?

Assuming that hyper speed is not the goal, and enjoying the trip to the destination is the number 1 goal.
Zapf, if long distance enjoyment is what you want then the F800 is the bizz. If it's short weekend blats up & down twisties and lots of hooligan behaviour then it's the Superduke or Ducati Hypermotard (which is supposed to be here in NZ anyday). I've ridden the Duke and liked it. Would be great for 6 weeks until they collect my licence.
If you are thinking about nakeds though I would make sure you try the Tuano and S/triple ( a personal favourite), and the MV Brutale 910 is meant to be hot.
But back to long trips. I've said enough in my Bike review on here about the F800. Just want to point out that it can be a hooligan, can be ridden fast (and loves it), but more for your wish list, it is bloody comfortable and travels about 390km on it's little 16L tank in touring mode. Not many bikes can match that. Mechanically very reliable and cheap to maintain - service intervals are 20,000km. The screen on the S model does a fantastic job and the fairings give good leg shelter while still having that naked bike look. Best of the above bunch for wind and rain protection and with heated grips as standard.
Go test ride them all, you pick what does it for you. Price wise the F800 is cheaper than all the above. If you need/want that extra 200cc or must do 240kph every ride then your decision is already made.
Let us all know what you test and buy? I don't think any will disappoint.

sAsLEX

6th July 2007, 07:24

Zapf, if long distance enjoyment is what you want then the F800 is the bizz. If it's short weekend blats up & down twisties and lots of hooligan behaviour then it's the Superduke or Ducati Hypermotard

travels about 390km on it's little 16L tank in touring mode. Not many bikes can match that.

Zapf has more bikes than most people on here have undies, he can afford to specialise and he has a Blackbird for the boring stuff.......

A Royal Enfield will do 100MPG.

Zapf

6th July 2007, 09:57

Zapf has more bikes than most people on here have undies, he can afford to specialise and he has a Blackbird for the boring stuff.......

A Royal Enfield will do 100MPG.

Sorry sAsLEX, the bird will have to go if I get anything else. I have a CBR954 as well remember. So the CBR954 will have to suffice for a faired bike perhaps. I am just starting to be put off by the weight of the bird, stationary and also trying to steer it on the takaka hills.

I really enjoyed my Hornet, hence thats why I am looking at the likes of nakes.

I am personally fairly restrained, so I hope that should keep my license in check either way I go.
MD, re the tank range sure is impressive. What I am thinking thou is that the F800 is around 18~19k, and if I can get a SD for like 20k but with WP suspension all around standard then perhaps it is a better deal? I know a lot of the these bike are better than the sum of its parts, so yes only a test ride / ownership will show tell. May I ask about the servicing cost of the F800?

SARGE

6th July 2007, 10:03

Zapf

6th July 2007, 10:35

I believe the Beemer would suit your riding better tbh mate.
It would be an awesome bike full stop

hay the man has spoken. I know you don't fluff about and say what you mean. But care to tell me your thoughts on why? I just love a set of good suspenders thats all.

DMNTD

6th July 2007, 10:41

But care to tell me your thoughts on why?
IMHO the BMW would be more than suffice for your riding style/requirements.
You tend to do longer,cruisier rides as opposed to YEEE FARKIN' HA blasts therefore the S'duke would be over kill to the extreme.
However...I reckon the S'duke has more "presence", a ballsier appeal...personality and a sound to die for(Akropovic's rock!).
Ride them both mate

Dazza

6th July 2007, 10:46

If you had to choose over a F800 or 990 SuperDuke for fun and the long (fun) trips. What would you choose and why?

Assuming that hyper speed is not the goal, and enjoying the trip to the destination is the number 1 goal.I'm Biased, the BMW sounds like a very practicle bike !! I "tour" with the tankbag & a wee seat back (handy for those times you need extra gas). Having said that, did 5400k's down South over the new year period & didn't have gas shortage probs. Did 3000k's (this year) accompanied by a Dude who had a 23ltr tank & likes to get along @ a good clip down to the brass monkey & back & had the misfortune of running out of gas twice, once 17k's out of Geraldene in the dark (bugger) & then 6k's out of Greymouth on the way home, my own stupid fault really (made for interesting riding being towed with my tiedown, hanging onto it with one hand & the bars with the other @ 60kph, the legal speed is 30kph, isn't it:dodge:) I swear my arms are longer now.So after 35000k's on the Super Duke the new 18.5ltr tank would be the bees knees.But if you don't want to turn into a hooligan, leave the KTM out of the equation & get the BMW.:yes:

Sensei

6th July 2007, 10:55

From riding with Dazza around some of the best road here it is very clear that the Super Duke is a excellent bike for our roads here . Between a Tuono Racing / Factory & a Super Duke the Aprilia would be the more layed back of the 2 bikes & abit quicker over all . Seen as Dazza doesn't trust me with his SD I'll have to find a demo one to give the SINKO ride test & review sometime . PT { I think he doen't want to see what his bike can really do with me on it Bahhahahahahahah ! }

Dazza

6th July 2007, 11:11

Exactly...I was sweet and innocent before I bought my S'duke :yes:
I wasn't exactly sweet or innocent but "I know" :yes:

Dazza

6th July 2007, 11:18

SINKO ride test & review sometime . PT { I think he doen't want to see what his bike can really do with me on it Bahhahahahahahah ! }Your dead right there "Matey", however I can see a ride coming your way in the next few weeks,Y pipe has finally turned up, so time for the roar to return :yes:Just waiting on the radiator hose to come ex Austria so all good to go soon. Just don't bitch about how I've got the suspension set up !!!! I'll be making out I'm that I'm not listening to your suggestions for improvement !!!:Punk:

limbimtimwim

6th July 2007, 11:48

You want a DR-Z400SM like mine mate. I'm getting 100km to reserve and the seat is like a plank. Seems to run out of puff at $120 on the speedo. Perfect for long touring all day two up with lots of bags. And it's got two trip meters. Luxury mate, luxury.
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skelstar

6th July 2007, 12:07

You want a DR-Z400SM like mine mate. I'm getting 100km to reserve and the seat is like a plank. Seems to run out of puff at $120 on the speedo. ... Luxury mate, luxury.
$1.20 LBTW.

This bike looks the f**king business with the wire wheels. V-cool :yes:

Felix: if ya want another Hornet mines going pretty cheap. Known quantity and all that.

6th July 2007, 13:45

I am personally fairly restrained, so I hope that should keep my license in check either way I go.
MD, re the tank range sure is impressive. What I am thinking thou is that the F800 is around 18~19k, and if I can get a SD for like 20k but with WP suspension all around standard then perhaps it is a better deal? I know a lot of the these bike are better than the sum of its parts, so yes only a test ride / ownership will show tell. May I ask about the servicing cost of the F800?
Some good & honest replies from DMNT & Dazza
Felix- The Wgtn shop has a new F800S for $17,400 (non-ABS)
Service costs are dirt cheap. The only full service I have needed so far cost $174. That's pretty bloody good.
The others have more up market suspension. But, you have said you don't ride hard, therefore you don't need race track quality suspenders. So many people mouth off about having this and that top performance parts but they ride slower than most Grandmas..just posers. Pointless paying extra for something you wont use. The beemer is a case of the whole performance being greater than the sum of its parts.
DMNTD made a good comment, the SD is a ripper of a beast but may be overkill for your needs.
If you have a faired CBR954 then that weather protection box is ticked and you can go with a completely naked Duke or S/triple..or Multistrada or..Moto Morini or ...so many choices, and have the full 1000cc at you disposal and a mental bike up your sleeve. Keeps coming back to what do you want it for? Sounds like DMNTD got exactly what he was looking for in the Duke..a hooligan.
It would be good to see a comparison test of all the nakeds. When I'm riding the F800 it feels fast and that's all that counts for me - the smile factor.
I'm curious how much quicker the others would be to the F800?
A detailed test like straight line runs, roll on and measured speeds around a set bend. The yank magazines are really good at that level of testing. Flame & I dragged raced her RSV1000 vs F800 and she got about 3 bike lengths ahead at Manfield ( I think?). In the big scheme of things, on real roads, that's all irrelevent when you add in bends, wandering stock, traffic and cops...

festus

6th July 2007, 14:44

F800 Vs a Superduke ??? you have got to be joking !! Abit like a TL Vs RSV Aprilia . Superduke all the way to the Bank !

hey hey now Sensei............ ;-)

Zapf

6th July 2007, 16:11

Some good & honest replies from DMNT & Dazza
Felix- The Wgtn shop has a new F800S for $17,400 (non-ABS)
Service costs are dirt cheap. The only full service I have needed so far cost $174. That's pretty bloody good.

The others have more up market suspension. But, you have said you don't ride hard, therefore you don't need race track quality suspenders.....The beemer is a case of the whole performance being greater than the sum of its parts.

DMNTD made a good comment, the SD is a ripper of a beast but may be overkill for your needs.

If you have a faired CBR954 then that weather protection box is ticked and you can go with a completely naked Duke or S/triple..or Multistrada or..Moto Morini or ...so many choices, and have the full 1000cc at you disposal and a mental bike up your sleeve. ...

It would be good to see a comparison test of all the nakeds. When I'm riding the F800 it feels fast and that's all that counts for me - the smile factor.
I'm curious how much quicker the others would be to the F800?

A detailed test like straight line runs, roll on and measured speeds around a set bend. The yank magazines are really good at that level of testing. Flame & I dragged raced her RSV1000 vs F800 and she got about 3 bike lengths ahead at Manfield ( I think?). In the big scheme of things, on real roads, that's all irrelevent when you add in bends, wandering stock, traffic and cops...

Thanks for the detailed reply :)

I want something that is different to the CBR954, Don't want no crouch rocket as I have one. It needs to be different style to the CBR, so that I can switch between. I like chasing the sports bikes in the twisties, like how I use the hornet. I am looking for something as fast as the 900 Hornet, handles better (I upgraded the Hornet with Ohlins shock and all). Can carry a few bags (I am sure I can coherse the Duke to do that). And easy to ride, plus lots of fun while doing it if its the ride to work or going for a long trip.

Yes I was just at Experience BMW and sat on a yellow F800S, it does feel good and has nice seats. It it too similar to the CBR? maybe.... but too soon to tell.

Is it slower than a 900 Hornet? maybe?

Does it handle better than a standard Hornet? Most likely

Does it carry a few bags? Yes it does.

Easy to ride everyday bike? not sure.

"It would be good to see a comparison test of all the nakeds." I just saw one recently on the net, will dig it up and share. But it didn't include the duke.

And yes the servicing cost does sound quite low, and probly much lower than the Superduke's servicing cost. I have been quoted 5xx dollars for the major service that happens every 14'000km.

Sensei

6th July 2007, 17:33

hey hey now Sensei............ ;-)

Sorry dude love Tls & TLR myself but abit to go to be level with an Aprilia :dodge:. How is your brother going was talking to a guy at Whanga Pub awhile back that knew both of you and said he was slowly making good progess . The Naki Team will have to come down for a ride soon to catch up . Say hi from us all & best heath to him .

6th July 2007, 19:10

Thanks for the detailed reply :)

Is it slower than a 900 Hornet? maybe?

Does it handle better than a standard Hornet? Most likely

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I've ridden a 900 Hornet over the local hill and without a doubt the F800 is quicker. Of course, I would say that.

ZeroIndex

6th July 2007, 19:12

I've ridden a 900 Hornet over the local hill and without a doubt the F800 is quicker. Of course, I would say that.
Congratulations BMW... :)

crazybigal

6th July 2007, 22:13

dude! if you have to think about it the KTM is too hard for you!!

If you had to choose over a F800 or 990 SuperDuke for fun and the long (fun) trips. What would you choose and why?

Assuming that hyper speed is not the goal, and enjoying the trip to the destination is the number 1 goal.

Zapf

6th July 2007, 23:29

dude! if you have to think about it the KTM is too hard for you!!

yea talk is cheap. Lets ride the bikes.... looks outside.. "rain" ermmm.

quite a few bikes have hidden talents, e.g sum of it is more than its parts. Which will not be apprent to the tire kicker. Hence its great being able to mine MD's brain.

Zapf

6th July 2007, 23:52

I've ridden a 900 Hornet over the local hill and without a doubt the F800 is quicker. Of course, I would say that.

of course you would, and I am inclined to believe.

Here is a great review about the F800.
http://www.womenridersnow.com/PublicFiles/Departmentviewer.asp?ArticleID=606

Question MD,
1.) Have you had problems with the bike cutting out? (some on f800 forums reported it)
2.) How do you find the forks? Too soft or just right for NZ roads? I weight 72kg.

tkns

7th July 2007, 09:36

Oh shit, that's a womens bike site! Now I will have to sell it %#@& Thanks Felix, do you want to buy mine?
1. I've not had any mechanical probs, runs flawlessly. As I said on the other thread. BMW had issues with a batch of earlier bikes made where the ceramic on the spark plugs was breaking off apparently. Only a small number effected. In June 07 they made a recall to replace the plugs on bikes that may have faulty plugs. The Owners forum are guessing this is why some owners, and I mean a small number, had cut out problems. I was contacted this week to bring mine in for new plugs. Free plugs, I wont say no.
Forks are spot on for our roads.
Bugger it is so cold and wet today. I have been meaning to take the local shop's 07 SuperDuke demo out for a spin.
Mark

Zapf

7th July 2007, 15:46

Oh shit, that's a womens bike site! Now I will have to sell it %#@& Thanks Felix, do you want to buy mine?

07 SuperDuke demo out for a spin.
Mark

Don't worry I might be joining you soon.

So are you saying I should buy a SD and swap with you?

Unit

9th July 2007, 08:48

The current model has a larger tank as mentioned above......that WAS the only fault on the bike....

Only issue for touring would be who would put panniers on a Duke????
Dont worry you wont see that on DMNTDs Duke, the Aprilia can carry all our luggage makes me Shurpa Girl.
Yes the small tank is a pain, but at least it gives the rest of us a chance to catch up. Will be interested to hear your review on both, excuse my ignorance but I take it the BMW is a v-twin also?

sAsLEX

9th July 2007, 09:02

Oh Zapf they make a cool little bracket that goes on the fuel cap ring to take tank bags in case the KTM plastic tank was putting you off, seen in latest Superbike mag

Gremlin

11th July 2007, 00:39

Felix: if ya want another Hornet mines going pretty cheap. Known quantity and all that.
He still has his one...

Now boss, it seems like ya still luffs your hairnet long time, you better have it back, and I'll ride whatever needs a run... y'know. Some 1100cc bike, or sprotbike? yeh, I don't mind :dodge: And you save all the time and money, getting another bike etc... aren't I kind? :yes:

Honestly... like others say, one thing to ask what other people think, but everyone is different, and only a couple of hours on a bike will give you an idea if you fancy it. I prefer actually taking them out in the wet if you can only have wet or dry, as the bike is more of a handful in the wet.