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sunhuntin
24th July 2007, 21:59
just got a scooter on there. tryin to ride from ? unknown to taupo... nifty 50. looks like a vespa. cop telling him 70 isnt fast enough.
L PLATERS REJOICE! THE COPS ARE ON OUR SIDE!!
I had a bit of a problem with that segment. He was being done for holding up the traffic. My understanding is that we have no minimum speed limits on our motorways. Sure, if you're going slowly you have to make an effort to let people past - but it's a multi-lane road, and you're not allowed to pull over onto the shoulder, so I'd have thought he was doing what he could
Admittedly, he was pretty incompetent - I think I was riding better than that after 2 hours of tuition - but I'm not impressed with what he was actually penalised for.
If they don't want people going at 70 (or 40, which is what some people had reported), they should impose a minimum limit - my understanding is that the laws allow for it; we just don't have any at the moment.
Agreed that it makes the 70k learner limit ridiculous.
Oh BTW - I think it was Motorway Patrol.
Richard
Slingshot
24th July 2007, 22:07
It perfectly illustrates the stupidity of that law!!!
I wonder if the cop would have pinged him for doing a hundred (if he was able)
Max Preload
24th July 2007, 22:09
Not so much the retard himself, but what caught my attention was what the cop said to him. He said 70km/h was not fast enough for the motorway - that it was unsafe and he'd have to go faster or get off the motorway (he was southbound on the southern at Ramarama.
And yet, learners are expected to do no more than that on the open road (I understand that's under revision). Oh, the irony!
NotaGoth
24th July 2007, 22:09
Like sitting my restricted cage licence.. I was failed for sitting between 90-95 on open road.. Got told I was driving to slow and that I was a hazard.. Yet they make someone on a tiny wee bike do 70????????
Crazy...
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 22:11
HA HA ... saw that myself and laughed my ass off ..
sunhuntin
24th July 2007, 22:11
sorry, it was motorway patrol. can a mod edit? thankies! LOL.
i think that while there in min speed limit, even driving too slow can be dangerous. hes very lucky he didnt get hit.. specially when he pulled back into the line of traffic... and very nearly into the side of a car. what did he get done for? i wasnt listening.
i think, for open road, the min limit should be the lowest speed permitted by the requirements of the law. ie, learners can only go 70k, which should be scrapped, and i think cars that are towing can only go 90? maybe they should make it simple, and ban scooters from the open road? not sure how they would get on on motorways though.
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 22:13
Late Thread ...
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1144785
Can we get a mod to merge the two please :) :scooter::scooter:
sunhuntin
24th July 2007, 22:14
ta, warlock. :yes:
yes... rather amusing eh?
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 22:17
i think cars that are towing can only go 90?
There is already a max speed for towing ... can't remember what it is tho .. might even be 70.
It does show that the law is an ass tho .. I think what it comes down to is that the 70K limit for learners is to keep them off the open road .. BUt if that is the "intent" of the law .. then the law should be better defined.
Getting a ticket for 70k on the open road is a precedent that every L plater can use if they get a ticket for doing 100K on the open road.
Slingshot
24th July 2007, 22:19
Anyone see those 2 dudes in that white car with no tread on the tires??
The driver's excuse was....I ride a motorcycle and never use this car.
Anyone know who it was :nono:
James Deuce
24th July 2007, 22:22
Can we get a mod to merge the two please :) :scooter::scooter:
Done. Thread renamed also.
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 22:24
ahhh ...Mod's ... gotta love em ... good on ya mate
Done. Thread renamed also.
crashe
24th July 2007, 22:27
I believe that one can travel at a even slower speed than 70kph on the motorway..... I have heard as low as 40kph?????
Have seen a tractor on one of these shows and they got away with it...
Perhaps one of the police on the site can tell us what that speed is.
PS: It wasn't a Vespa...... it was a step throu scooter
Max Preload
24th July 2007, 22:27
There is already a max speed for towing ... can't remember what it is tho .. might even be 70.
Was 80 - recently raised to 90.
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 22:30
And when was the last time you saw someone towing a caravan doing 90??? ..
ha ha ... i've bet never :)
Was 80 - recently raised to 90.
the lowest open road speed limit in a 100kph area is 7.5kph and thats for a vehicle with metal tyres but surely if that is allowed on a open road then a scooter is allowed
in the road code it states the maximum spped that you can travel is at 100kph the vehicles listed below have lower speed limits
bla
bla
baa (stateing other vheicles open road limits inc learners 70kph limit)
Then it states:
When following other motorvehicles , remember that sme do have lower speed limits and you may have to adjust your speed.
i think, for open road, the min limit should be the lowest speed permitted by the requirements of the law. ie, learners can only go 70k, which should be scrapped, and i think cars that are towing can only go 90? maybe they should make it simple, and ban scooters from the open road? not sure how they would get on on motorways though.
You're suggesting that the minimum limit should be the lowest of the maximum limits on that road? That would mean that vehicles subject to that limit can't vary their speed at all.
From my hazy memories of sitting my HT licence, if you're driving a heavy truck with metal wheels (ie no tyres) and no springs or longitudonal walking beam (whatever that is - no suspension, anyway) your limit is 7.5 km/h. I think that's low enough to not make any difference :)
[edit - beaten to it by Tom. Never mind :)]
Richard
Max Preload
24th July 2007, 22:46
And when was the last time you saw someone towing a caravan doing 90???
I tow the boat at 90km/h. Always have - even before the law change... :innocent: :nono:
Slingshot
24th July 2007, 22:46
the lowest open road speed limit in a 100kph area is 7.5kph and thats for a vehicle with metal tyres but surely if that is allowed on a open road then a scooter is allowed
I'd *555 your arse if you were driving a vehicle with metal tyres on motorway on Easter weekend at 7.5kph!!!
the road code sais nothing about these vehicles not allowed being on a open road i think that these speeds are intedned for the open road
I'd *555 your arse if you were driving a vehicle with metal tyres on motorway on Easter weekend at 7.5kph!!!
go for it i wld just tell the cop to go fuck himself and that i am going by what the road code states and obideing by the law. If he is not arresting me for anything i will exercise my right of travel and continue to travel at 7.5kph to wherever im going
Slingshot
24th July 2007, 22:54
go for it i wld just tell the cop to go fuck himself and that i am going by what the road code states and obideing by the law. If he is not arresting me for anything i will exercise my right of travel and continue to travel at 7.5kph to wherever im going
Yeah...but at least by the time that the cop has pulled you over and you've had a chat...I would have passed you :Punk:
Max Preload
24th July 2007, 22:55
go for it i wld just tell the cop to go fuck himself and that i am going by what the road code states and obideing by the law. If he is not arresting me for anything i will exercise my right of travel and continue to travel at 7.5kph to wherever im going
He'd probably get you under some draconian 'boy racer' bullshit knee jerk legislation... and therein lies the problem with giving the Police that sort of power - they can fuck your life up even when you're doing nothing wrong and tell them so... but I digress...
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 22:57
Now now .... there's no need for that.
A ticket for impeding the flow of traffic is perfectly legal ... the issue here (as i understand it) .. is that the guy was ticketed for doing 70K on the motorway .. and that 70K is the legal limit for L plate riders.
He'd probably get you under some draconian 'boy racer' bullshit knee jerk legislation... and therein lies the problem with giving the Police that sort of power - they can fuck your life up even when you're doing nothing wrong and tell them so... but I digress...
i think that you should read the bill of rights act. if i reccomend something really important to read its that! LEARN YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS!! the rights the cops tell you aint enough and they will still try to screw you over. ppl who dont know there rights make the cops job very easy, they will still do you for the same thing even if you were not being a smart ass
mv.senna
24th July 2007, 23:00
most entertaining motorway patrol segment I've seen yet....flatmate and I laughed our R6's off!! Made a refreshing change from featuring the usual muntoids d.i.c/driving while disqualified/driving knackered cages etc etc.
full points to the 'tard for wearing his high vis and white helmet (be safe, be seen)....and for aiming for the stars (or taupo in this case)....now that's what i call committment...
Max Preload
24th July 2007, 23:01
Now now .... there's no need for that.
A ticket for impeding the flow of traffic is perfectly legal ... the issue here (as i understand it) .. is that the guy was ticketed for doing 70K on the motorway .. and that 70K is the legal limit for L plate riders.
Considering there were 2 lanes, and he's on a scooter, unless he was weaving wildly between the lanes it'd be pretty hard for him to impede the flow of traffic. I didn't see the whole thing - just caught that end snippet, but judging by his skill level he might well have been doing just that! :shit:
Now now .... there's no need for that.
A ticket for impeding the flow of traffic is perfectly legal ... the issue here (as i understand it) .. is that the guy was ticketed for doing 70K on the motorway .. and that 70K is the legal limit for L plate riders.
but how can you not impeed the flow of traffic when your legaly obliged to go at that speed? it said in the road code "when following other vehicles remember that some do have lower speed limits and you may have to adjust your speed." i believe this applies to all the vehicles listed i had to follow a grader at 45kph he didnt get pulled over and he was holding up vehicles
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 23:06
Did you notice that the cop was a blue and yellow ??
Yes, the guys skill could be called into question .. but he was issued a ticket for impeding the flow, what i would like to know is the speed on the ticket.
"If" it was 70K .. then there is a case for any L plater out there who has, or will be, fined for doing over 70k on the motorway.
If it was for 40K ... then yeah ... i would have done the same thing .. he would have been a hazard on the open road, regardless of the number of lanes.. (lets not forget it was easter weekend as well = a metric shit load more traffic)
Considering there were 2 lanes, and he's on a scooter, unless he was weaving wildly between the lanes it'd be pretty hard for him to impede the flow of traffic. I didn't see the whole thing - just caught that end snippet, but judging by his skill level he might well have been doing just that! :shit:
Max Preload
24th July 2007, 23:06
i think that you should read the bill of rights act. if i reccomend something really important to read its that! LEARN YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS!! the rights the cops tell you aint enough and they will still try to screw you over. ppl who dont know there rights make the cops job very easy, they will still do you for the same thing even if you were not being a smart ass
That's all very well, but how do you combat a ticket for an exhaust that is "significantly louder than original" which entirely subjective and likely to be heard by JP's who are politically appointed? (the only way I'm aware of that you can become a JP is to be recommended by a Member of Parliament).
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 23:08
That's all very well, but how do you combat a ticket for an exhaust that is "significantly louder than original" which entirely subjective and likely to be heard by JP's who are politically appointed? (the only way I'm aware of that you can become a JP is to be recommended by a Member of Parliament).
Off topic ... But you combat it by getting it tested and seeing if it complies with the Legal DB level :)
That's all very well, but how do you combat a ticket for an exhaust that is "significantly louder than original" which entirely subjective and likely to be heard by JP's who are politically appointed? (the only way I'm aware of that you can become a JP is to be recommended by a Member of Parliament).
umm ok well this is what i did.. i got my standard exhaust and debaffled it its wayyy lowder than whats needed for a warrent but because its a factory "unmodified" exhaust its allowed
Max Preload
24th July 2007, 23:11
Did you notice that the cop was a blue and yellow ??
Ummm yes... but all that means is he's "Highway Patrol"... what is your point that I have missed?
Max Preload
24th July 2007, 23:12
Off topic ... But you combat it by getting it tested and seeing if it complies with the Legal DB level :)
Last time I checked there is no such thing.
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 23:13
My point is that it's his job to keep the traffic moving at the expense of everything else.
Ummm yes... but all that means is he's "Highway Patrol"... what is your point that I have missed?
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 23:14
Last time I checked there is no such thing.
I'm pretty sure there is ... I'm sure there is someone on here that could either confirm or deny that tho.
Max Preload
24th July 2007, 23:14
umm ok well this is what i did.. i got my standard exhaust and debaffled it its wayyy lowder than whats needed for a warrent but because its a factory "unmodified" exhaust its allowed
If a cop decides he doesn't like your 'attitude' (i.e. I know my rights) he can still ticket you and cost you a small fortune in fighting it.
Max Preload
24th July 2007, 23:16
My point is that it's his job to keep the traffic moving at the expense of everything else.
At the expense of the regulations which don't specifically exclude what the scooter rider was doing (at least speed wise)?
Max Preload
24th July 2007, 23:17
I'm pretty sure there is ... I'm sure there is someone on here that could either confirm or deny that tho.
You have too much faith in the powers that be...
If a cop decides he doesn't like your 'attitude' (i.e. I know my rights) he can still ticket you and cost you a small fortune in fighting it.
well the thing is not to give him attitude just say it to him nicely in a polite fassion yeah as a police officer he should respect your rights.
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 23:18
If a cop decides he doesn't like your 'attitude' (i.e. I know my rights) he can still ticket you and cost you a small fortune in fighting it.
pays not to be a smart ass then huh ??? ... LOL
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 23:19
well the thing is not to give him attitude just say it to him nicely in a polite fassion yeah as a police officer he should respect your rights.
I'm sorry ... You what ?? .. I just pissed myself laughing ... respect your rights ... are you living on the same planet as the rest of us ??
pays not to be a smart ass then huh ??? ... LOL
well you can if you want to be.. it may pay to be a smart ass the cop may know your right and he wont be fucked as it will be too much of a hassle or impossible to try and get you for something..
I'm sorry ... You what ?? .. I just pissed myself laughing ... respect your rights ... are you living on the same planet as the rest of us ??
Do you know your rights? and yes from what i can see im on earth and as a human your intitled to your rights your intitled to know your rights and police officers (supprisingly human) should respect those rights. if they dont there are some bad punnishments for them. or you get off all your charges and a nice apology letter depending on the situation
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 23:25
well you can if you want to be.. it may pay to be a smart ass the cop may know your right and he wont be fucked as it will be too much of a hassle or impossible to try and get you for something..
Dude ... in my experience ... if they want you ... they will find something .. it's best to just fly under the radar and chill :)
Dude ... in my experience ... if they want you ... they will find something .. it's best to just fly under the radar and chill :)
yeah by all means fly under the radar dont do anything illegal.. but they are just as human as us and they shouldt be any higher then us. they are granted powers of arrest etc but if you have done nothing wrong they shouldnt be allowed to take advantage of you. therefore the makeing of the bill of rights
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 23:30
yeah by all means fly under the radar dont do anything illegal.. but they are just as human as us and they shouldt be any higher then us. they are granted powers of arrest etc but if you have done nothing wrong they shouldnt be allowed to take advantage of you. therefore the makeing of the bill of rights
I think you've got me wrong mate ... i never said "dont do anything illegal" i said fly under the radar. :)
for example if you walking down the road in a public place and a police officer comes up to you and wants to question you, you are legaly obliged not to answer any of his questions nor give any of your details as he has the same rights as you at that point and he cant use any of his powers. but if your observed breaching the peace and then arrested you are the obliged to give your name, address and dob thats all
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 23:32
for example if you walking down the road in a public place and a police officer comes up to you and wants to question you, you are legaly obliged not to answer any of his questions nor give any of your details. but if your observed breaching the peace and then arrested you are the obliged to give your name, address and dob thats all
Actually ... that's wrong ... you are legally required to provide your name and address.
Actually ... that's wrong ... you are legally required to provide your name and address.
i have a civil rights book in front of me now it states
In a summary of your rights and entitlements when dealing with the police
What personal details should you give the police?
Althought you do not have to give any details to the police in many situations, these days it is advisable to give your name, adress and dob
this doesnt mean you have to but it is advisable
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 23:41
Cool ... does it quote a passage of law ??
Oh ... and does it tell you what the possible outcomes of that course of action are??
There's only one that i can see .. arrest... LOL
So let me get this right ... your book is saying that i can say nothing to the police when asked ?? is that right ??
so, when i'm stopped for a random breath test and i'm asked to state my name and address into the machine, i can refuse right??
i have a civil rights book in front of me now it states
In a summary of your rights and entitlements when dealing with the police
What personal details should you give the police?
Althought you do not have to give any details to the police in many situations, these days it is advisable to give your name, adress and dob
this doesnt mean you have to but it is advisable
Cool ... does it quote a passage of law ??
Oh ... and does it tell you what the possible outcomes of that course of action are??
There's only one that i can see .. arrest... LOL
So let me get this right ... your book is saying that i can say nothing to the police when asked ?? is that right ??
so, when i'm stopped for a random breath test and i'm asked to state my name and address into the machine, i can refuse right??
they have to state what they are arresting you for if they choose to arrest you for not giving your details it is arbitary arrest as those are your rights.
yes that is correct inform them of your civil right and then exercise your right of travel
no that is not right as your are driveing a motorvehicle you are obliged to show without delay your licence and or give your name, address and dob
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 23:46
they have to state what they are arresting you for if they choose to arrest you for not giving your details it is arbitary arrest as those are your rights.
yes that is correct inform them of your civil right and then exercise your right of travel
no that is not right as your are driveing a motorvehicle you are obliged to show without delay your licence and or give your name, address and dob
Perhaps you should have a look at sections 113, 114 and 118 of the Land Transport Act 1998
:)
Cool ... does it quote a passage of law ??
no it doesnt its an interpretation of the bill of rights not the bill of rights law book its self (i wld fall to sleep reading that one) but im positive it will have that in there
Perhaps you should have a look at sections 113, 114 and 118 of the Land Transport Act 1998
:)
i am talking about walking down a foot path not driveing a motorvehicle when your driving a motorvehicle you have to give your details
Max Preload
24th July 2007, 23:51
So, when i'm stopped for a random breath test and i'm asked to state my name and address into the machine, i can refuse right??
No - there are exceptions. Operating a motor vehicle, carrying firearms and being suspected of a crime (what's the bet they'll think of something...). In other situations you are not obliged to tell them jack shit and if you are arrested for that it is arbitrary and they could get in a lot of trouble for breaching your rights.
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 23:51
i am talking about walking down a foot path not driveing a motorvehicle when your driving a motorvehicle you have to give your details
Ahhh ... but that's not what we were debating ... no fair .. you can't change the rules half way through :)
Ahhh ... but that's not what we were debating ... no fair .. you can't change the rules half way through :)
i said that if you were walking in a public place they cldnt ask shit from you earlier read up top :yes:
WarlockNZ
24th July 2007, 23:57
i said that if you were walking in a public place they cldnt ask shit from you earlier read up top :yes:
Bugger ... must have missed that one ... LOL
you can infact if you get pulled over randomly and fail the first breath test (cant be used as evidence in court) they will then ask you to do the second breath test the bag (refuse to do that one and demand a blood test) they cant do you for anything as you are requesting a blood test. they then have to take you to the station (where you are sobering up the whole time if you are drunk which you shouldnt be) get a qualified person to do it refuse to give one without a quallied person but then demand to talk to a lawyer (if you can get hold of one that time of night) refuse to give a blood test til you get a lawyer (which is provided for free) (convince him to come down to the station) refuse to give a blood test until you have consulted the lawyer once he has arrived and you have consulted him then give the blood test these are your rights
im acually not to sure about requesting to see the lawyer in private the police may be able to deny you of this if you are pissing the evidence away ill find out tho
James Deuce
25th July 2007, 00:11
What was the topic again?
What was the topic again?
forgot i think it kinda got side tracked
i believe the guy on the vespa is innocent and should of not been given that ticket
HungusMaximist
25th July 2007, 00:30
you can infact if you get pulled over randomly and fail the first breath test (cant be used as evidence in court) they will then ask you to do the second breath test the bag (refuse to do that one and demand a blood test) they cant do you for anything as you are requesting a blood test. they then have to take you to the station (where you are sobering up the whole time if you are drunk which you shouldnt be) get a qualified person to do it refuse to give one without a quallied person but then demand to talk to a lawyer (if you can get hold of one that time of night) refuse to give a blood test til you get a lawyer (which is provided for free) (convince him to come down to the station) refuse to give a blood test until you have consulted the lawyer once he has arrived and you have consulted him then give the blood test these are your rights
That's sneaky but it's a great idea!
I've been following this thread for a little while and I can understand when people have been pulled over by the cops they are usually too overwhelmed in the head to think of a way out. I don't condem illegal and dangerous acts but I do believe it's wise to build up a good knowledge of your civil rights, and at times it could be the difference between a warning and a hefty fine.
In areas of traffic offences especially, knowing a few rights makes good practice and it could literally save your arse. Of course, there's always going to be people out there who are gonna be more savvy than you and have that natural ability to think on their feet.
If I think I have a chance to avoid punishment I will certainly try and push my luck because I hate to regret later that I could have made a difference.
HungusMaximist
25th July 2007, 00:35
i believe the guy on the vespa is innocent and should of not been given that ticket
Cop was doing his job but it pissed me off that he got a fine for it.
And as for the rider, I thought he was a bit of a legend doing these trips to his batch in taupo on his little scootah.
It even had these custom side panniers!
Respect.
janno
25th July 2007, 08:07
In Qld you can be ticketed for doing 20km below the motorway speed (ie the general traffic speed at the given time so taking rush hour into account etc) if the conditions are otherwise non-hazardous. I believe it's up to the cops discretion - probably if you are holding up a long line of traffic they would invoke that law.
Also, in Perth anyway where I did my learners a coupla years ago, you were restricted to 80km top speed on an L plate, and the road code specifically listed the roads this meant you were banned from. That system worked quite well - no chance of misinterpretation.
You simply don't see the small capacity scoots on the motorways here - they would get squished flat in five seconds and probably the dozy driver wouldn't even notice.
Bumpitty bump - gee, that was a big roo . . .
MSTRS
25th July 2007, 09:14
The guy got a ticket for 'obstructing the flow of traffic'.
I don't believe that a stated speed will be on the ticket, but so what if there was? The guy on the scooter was a right prat being on the motorway in the first place - there are alternative roads he could have used.
ManDownUnder
25th July 2007, 09:28
The guy got a ticket for 'obstructing the flow of traffic'.
I don't believe that a stated speed will be on the ticket, but so what if there was? The guy on the scooter was a right prat being on the motorway in the first place - there are alternative roads he could have used.
Bingo. +10 chars.
Angusdog
25th July 2007, 09:57
I don't think the scooter rider was the full quid. I'm not calling him a retard, I'm saying that by the way he spoke and behaved, I don't think may have not had the mental capacity to fully understand the situation and I don't think the cop was very understanding at all.
Instead of giving the guy a ticket, the cop should have explained it better and got on with what he did in the end: shadowing the guy and ensuring he got off the motorway. The cop should have also explained a better route than the motorway.
Loved the way the scooter rider tried to pay the fine on the spot.
MadDuck
25th July 2007, 10:19
The guy got a ticket for 'obstructing the flow of traffic'.
...should have got a ticket for looking like a great big banana. Wonder if Quasimoto has been inundated to import this unique riding gear :yes:
The worse thing I observed was his re-entry back onto the motorway. Now that deserved a reckless or dangerous driving fine ...
MSTRS
25th July 2007, 10:22
..... may have not had the mental capacity to fully understand the situation ....
Yet somehow he got a licence...scary huh?
Max Preload
25th July 2007, 10:26
Yet somehow he got a licence...scary huh?
Yet strangely believable... :scooter:
davereid
25th July 2007, 10:42
Scooters registered as "mopeds" are not allowed on the Motorway. That may be why he got the ticket.
MSTRS
25th July 2007, 10:43
Not according to what we were shown/told.
scumdog
25th July 2007, 11:06
It perfectly illustrates the stupidity of that law!!!
I wonder if the cop would have pinged him for doing a hundred (if he was able)
Haven't read the whole thread BUT if he had being doing 100kph people wouldn't have been making *555 calls about him holding up traffic- ergo the cop would not have been looking for him.
canarlee
25th July 2007, 11:11
Haven't read the whole thread BUT if he had being doing 100kph people wouldn't have been making *555 calls about him holding up traffic- ergo the cop would not have been looking for him.
or the cop might have been having a bad day (which a lot of them seem to have everyday) and pulled the scooter up anyway, discovered that he was restricted to 70 kph and then royally fucked said scooter rider!
either way, i dont think scooter boy had much of a chance what ever way he had gone!
scumdog
25th July 2007, 11:13
Considering there were 2 lanes, and he's on a scooter, unless he was weaving wildly between the lanes it'd be pretty hard for him to impede the flow of traffic. I didn't see the whole thing - just caught that end snippet, but judging by his skill level he might well have been doing just that! :shit:
It was a holiday weekend - hence the problem, there was HEAPS of traffic heading out of town - and the muppet on the scooter was struggling to get to 70kph therefore all the traffic that had been happily cruising at around 100kph suddenly has a mobile road-block knocking the left hand lane down to less than 70kph and the cars 1/2kilometre back would not know about this and would suddenly have to jam on the brakes for no reason they could see as all the cars banked up.
Easy eh?
canarlee
25th July 2007, 11:15
yebbut he was on a learners, therefore restricted to 70 kph!
what choice did he have? do 100kph and get nicked by same cop?
MSTRS
25th July 2007, 11:16
yebbut he was on a learners, therefore restricted to 70 kph!
what choice did he have? do 100kph and get nicked by same cop?
Was he? Praps I missed it
scumdog
25th July 2007, 11:20
well you can if you want to be.. it may pay to be a smart ass the cop may know your right and he wont be fucked as it will be too much of a hassle or impossible to try and get you for something..
Me vs Smartasses win score so far;
Me: 128
Smart-asses: O
canarlee
25th July 2007, 11:23
Was he? Praps I missed it
from what i gather it was a learners or restricted license he was on....
tri boy
25th July 2007, 11:51
The copper did the right thing.
The scooter rider was about to become road kill.
The ticket can be interpreted as a bit harsh, but at least the the rider probably made it to his batch, had a nice weekend, and continued to live.
Arguing minor points of law in this case seems a bit pedantic
Personally, I think any vechile that can not maintain 90kmh should not be on a motor way if there is an alternate route.(otherwise a escort vechile should be required)
crashe
25th July 2007, 12:18
The bike in question is a HONDA 110 step thou scooter....
It is serviced at Coleman's once a year....
The bike is like one that the posties ride.
I was in at Coleman's this morning and one of the guys mentioned that they know the guy..... yep the bike can go faster, but due to his big size.... he will struggle getting the bike to go faster up hill.
He has also put on longer mirrors, so that he can see what is coming behind him due to his width of his upper-body.
Oh and yes he did make it to Taupo on that trip......
Toaster
25th July 2007, 12:23
The guy got a ticket for 'obstructing the flow of traffic'.
I don't believe that a stated speed will be on the ticket, but so what if there was? The guy on the scooter was a right prat being on the motorway in the first place - there are alternative roads he could have used.
I didn't see the footage, but I agree based on the facts presented.
Impeding the flow of traffic applies when it is clear the offending driver/rider is infact impeding that traffic flow by the build up of traffic behind the driver/rider and that he/she have had a reasonable opportunity to rectify the situation and failed to do so.
The more significant the traffic backlog and the more significant the road, then the more likely the ticket would be issued rather than a warning.
On the learner rider issue of 70km/h.... this rule still applies if you impeed the flow of traffic. Given traffic flow speeds, the restriction on the speed to 70km/h basically means a learner rider should not be using a 100km/h motorway as they are learners and need to get their skill level up in a slower road speed area.
Driving and riding is a privilege not a right. The graduated licence system is there to allow you to do exactly that.... progress gradually.
bull
25th July 2007, 12:47
The scooter guy was a hinderence to traffic - tho i dont think he should have been fined, the outcome required was to get him off the road and a fine wasnt needed to do that. and i dont think that because it was a holiday that it is acceptable to have a go at him just because more people are going away on holidays. Stay professional - outline the problem, reslove it and carry on doing your duties.
Anyone see last weeks where father and son were testing there new WRX on the roads - cop clocked him at 160km/h on the in car radar display, the father got fined $750 + court costs and had his license suspended for 28days.
Surely he could have been done under some boy racer policys and had the car taken off him, license suspended for 6 months and huge fine? like most people on those programs seem to get.
ManDownUnder
25th July 2007, 12:50
I have to admit riding the C50 (or 80?) on the motorway was a dumb thing to do but I don't think a fine was really warranted. The guy sounded a bit simple and needed direction - not punishment up front.
Pretty ambitious to ride from Ramarama (from the sign over the Motorway) to Taupo though! That's the stuff of legend in my book. It's amasing what can be done by people who don't know it can't be done.
shafty
25th July 2007, 12:51
I don't think the scooter rider was the full quid. I'm not calling him a retard, I'm saying that by the way he spoke and behaved, I don't think may have not had the mental capacity to fully understand the situation and I don't think the cop was very understanding at all.
Instead of giving the guy a ticket, the cop should have explained it better and got on with what he did in the end: shadowing the guy and ensuring he got off the motorway. The cop should have also explained a better route than the motorway.
Loved the way the scooter rider tried to pay the fine on the spot.
I agree totally; The Cop did the right thing, but I'd prefer to see someone like this getting more guidance than a fine; what a LEGEND tootling off to Taupo, much respect for that Man; he may not be like us, but he IS on 2 wheels.
young1
25th July 2007, 13:42
The Policeman was trying to do the right thing, get him to speed up so that the chance of him being killed was lessened.
Max Preload
25th July 2007, 13:50
Was he? Praps I missed it
I'll check tonight - I've got the show on video.
WarlockNZ
25th July 2007, 15:26
Just back on the providing details to the police thing.
I've spoken to 3 cops today and all of them tell me that you are legally required to provide, name, address and date of birth .. if a police officer asks you for it.
I have no idea where it is in law, as i'm not a lawyer .. yet :P .. but my reasoning is simple .. If a cop wants my name and address .. he/she can have it .. do you really want to piss off a person with a tazer ??
canarlee
25th July 2007, 15:37
only time any one wont give their name and address etc is if they got summit to hide!
ManDownUnder
25th July 2007, 15:39
only time any one wont give their name and address etc is if they got summit to hide!
Or they're paranoid... but just because you're not paranoid it doesn't mean they're not following you!
canarlee
25th July 2007, 15:42
Or they're paranoid... but just because you're not paranoid it doesn't mean they're not following you!
*looks over shoulder to make sure no-one is watching*
but then you ar only paranoid about being watched if you have summit to hide!
nothing to hide = not being paranoid!
Virago
25th July 2007, 15:42
...I've spoken to 3 cops today and all of them tell me that you are legally required to provide, name, address and date of birth .. if a police officer asks you for it...
I can understand the name and address, but why date of birth? Why not favourite colour, or inside leg measurement?:shutup:
ManDownUnder
25th July 2007, 15:46
*looks over shoulder to make sure no-one is watching*
but then you ar only paranoid about being watched if you have summit to hide!
nothing to hide = not being paranoid!
No no no - being paranoid is the art of worrying about that which you do not know.... You may not have something to hide... that you know of... but they might know - so you're worried about them knowing, you not knowing, and them collecting the very information you have no clear definition on.
The fact they're following you is a dead give away of course... something is to be gained... but what????
It's all very exciting really... which is why I personally take the "Fat Rat's Patoot" approach. I don't give one!
ManDownUnder
25th July 2007, 15:47
I can understand the name and address, but why date of birth? Why not favourite colour, or inside leg measurement?:shutup:
Combined with name it's a reasonably unique identifier, and it's a lifelong constant (unlike address or willy size)
WarlockNZ
25th July 2007, 15:55
Combined with name it's a reasonably unique identifier, and it's a lifelong constant (unlike address or willy size)
:corn::corn::corn:
Waiting for the girls to start with the "guys always lie about the size" comments ... LOL
canarlee
25th July 2007, 15:59
:corn::corn::corn:
Waiting for the girls to start with the "guys always lie about the size" comments ... LOL
hahahahahaha cant wait for this one!!!
*would give bling but am unable*
ManDownUnder
25th July 2007, 16:04
:corn::corn::corn:
Waiting for the girls to start with the "guys always lie about the size" comments ... LOL
Why not - Hell I do! I'm the founding member of the teeny weeny peeny club but you think I'll EVER say that in public?
... umm... 'ang about...
Maha
25th July 2007, 16:06
Why not - Hell I do! I'm the founding member of the teeny weeny peeny club but you think I'll EVER say that in public?
... umm... 'ang about...
The only memeber Ned!....its a very very small club from what i hear....:yes:
canarlee
25th July 2007, 16:07
No no no - being paranoid is the art of worrying about that which you do not know.... You may not have something to hide... that you know of... but they might know - so you're worried about them knowing, you not knowing, and them collecting the very information you have no clear definition on.
The fact they're following you is a dead give away of course... something is to be gained... but what????
It's all very exciting really... which is why I personally take the "Fat Rat's Patoot" approach. I don't give one!
*would give bling for that but am unable*
Kenzie
25th July 2007, 16:08
On the learner rider issue of 70km/h.... this rule still applies if you impeed the flow of traffic. Given traffic flow speeds, the restriction on the speed to 70km/h basically means a learner rider should not be using a 100km/h motorway as they are learners and need to get their skill level up in a slower road speed area.
.
Problem is legally the 100km/h on a motorway is a maximum speed, not a minimum, so going 60-70-80-90km/h is still allowed (god forbid).
ManDownUnder
25th July 2007, 16:08
The only memeber Ned!....its a very very small club from what i hear....:yes:
You saying it's a very small membership...? (boom tish!)
Thank ye thank ye thank ye vurymutch (to be said in an Elvis voice)
Toaster
25th July 2007, 17:44
Problem is legally the 100km/h on a motorway is a maximum speed, not a minimum, so going 60-70-80-90km/h is still allowed (god forbid).
As I said in my post - yes but ONLY if you are not holding up the traffic flow. Pure and simple common sense.
I've spoken to 3 cops today and all of them tell me that you are legally required to provide, name, address and date of birth .. if a police officer asks you for it.
of course they would say that.. did you happen to ask if they were to ask you for details when you were walking in a public area? or did they assume you were driveing?
Littleman
25th July 2007, 18:42
As I said in my post - yes but ONLY if you are not holding up the traffic flow. Pure and simple common sense.
Hence why they are struggling with it.
nadroj
25th July 2007, 20:24
Me vs Smartasses win score so far;
Me: 128
Smart-asses: O
10fncccccccccc's
igor
25th July 2007, 21:23
10fncccccccccc's
hey man u don't wanna join this thread. U own a real bike unlike all the other mumbies that posted and own something i would not even look at if it was on fire:gob:
Goblin
25th July 2007, 21:38
Why not - Hell I do! I'm the founding member of the teeny weeny peeny club but you think I'll EVER say that in public?
... umm... 'ang about...Hmmm. Is this anything like the Itty Bitty Titty Committee?:confused:
ManDownUnder
26th July 2007, 10:14
Hmmm. Is this anything like the Itty Bitty Titty Committee?:confused:
Kind of but us guys can keep the measure of our assets a secret for longer... often till the point where it's TOO LATE HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:shit:
Virago
26th July 2007, 10:48
Kind of but us guys can keep the measure of our assets a secret for longer... often till the point where it's TOO LATE HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:shit:
...The point when you hear those immortal words - "Is it in yet?"...
UberRhys
26th July 2007, 11:09
They have the footage on You Tube if you missed it on television: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aHPAXJjQIw
The guy seemed a few sammies short of a picnic if you ask me...
:scooter:
ManDownUnder
26th July 2007, 11:15
The guy seemed a few sammies short of a picnic if you ask me...
:scooter:
Yeah but - I'll take a lack of IQ over a lack of ambition any day.
MSTRS
26th July 2007, 11:34
They have the footage on You Tube if you missed it on television
No L plate that I could see, as some here claimed he had/was adhering to....
canarlee
26th July 2007, 11:35
No L plate that I could see, as some here claimed he had/was adhering to....
oops i was one of the wrong ones then.....
sunhuntin
26th July 2007, 12:11
i never said he was on an l plate, just mentioned the speed he was ticketed for [70k] was stated to be too slow for the open road, when l platers are restricted to that speed.
more_fasterer
26th July 2007, 13:32
Anyone see last weeks where father and son were testing there new WRX on the roads - cop clocked him at 160km/h on the in car radar display, the father got fined $750 + court costs and had his license suspended for 28days.
Surely he could have been done under some boy racer policys and had the car taken off him, license suspended for 6 months and huge fine? like most people on those programs seem to get.
Perhaps it's cos he was older, y'know, young people being the curse of all society and the ol' fella was, well, not young *cough*
WarlockNZ
26th July 2007, 13:40
of course they would say that.. did you happen to ask if they were to ask you for details when you were walking in a public area? or did they assume you were driveing?
i specified walking and not driving, I'm sure if we ask nicely, one of the cops on here will give us the relevant law.
go go gadget police ... LOL
Patrick
27th July 2007, 16:28
.. but he was issued a ticket for impeding the flow, what i would like to know is the speed on the ticket.
There was no "speed", there was no L plate. He was impeding the flow of traffic, full stop, end of story. He had other roads available and was a danger to himself. he was roadkill waiting to happen.
pays not to be a smart ass then huh ??? ... LOL
The best advice seen for some time... Top man...
well you can if you want to be.. it may pay to be a smart ass the cop may know your right and he wont be fucked as it will be too much of a hassle or impossible to try and get you for something..
Yep, being a smart arse ALWAYS gets you off tickets, arrest, whatever... TUI, TUI, TUI...
so, when i'm stopped for a random breath test and i'm asked to state my name and address into the machine, i can refuse right??
Yes, you can. You will then be promptly asked to undergo a screening test, which you can also refuse, but that will result in you being required to accompany. THAT, you can not refuse or you will be arrested. Probably much easier to talk into the machine, especially as you wouldn't be drunk while driving anyway???
for example if you walking down the road in a public place and a police officer comes up to you and wants to question you, you are legaly obliged not to answer any of his questions nor give any of your details as he has the same rights as you at that point and he cant use any of his powers. but if your observed breaching the peace and then arrested you are the obliged to give your name, address and dob thats all
You're on a road, you can be asked for your details... if refused you can be locked up. We can also ask you how your day has been, what did you think of the rugby? The weather? Does my arse look fat in this uniform?
Ahhh ... but that's not what we were debating ... no fair .. you can't change the rules half way through :)
i said that if you were walking in a public place they cldnt ask shit from you earlier read up top :yes:
No, see above.. you changed the rules...
you can infact if you get pulled over randomly and fail the first breath test (cant be used as evidence in court) they will then ask you to do the second breath test the bag (refuse to do that one and demand a blood test) they cant do you for anything as you are requesting a blood test. they then have to take you to the station (where you are sobering up the whole time if you are drunk which you shouldnt be) get a qualified person to do it refuse to give one without a quallied person but then demand to talk to a lawyer (if you can get hold of one that time of night) refuse to give a blood test til you get a lawyer (which is provided for free) (convince him to come down to the station) refuse to give a blood test until you have consulted the lawyer once he has arrived and you have consulted him then give the blood test these are your rights
FARKEN BUSH LAWYERS. If you follow ANY of this advice, you, your liberty and your licence are screwed. The only piece that is right is only a qualified person can take blood... a doctor or a nurse... We do not call anything else to come in. Yep, you can talk to a lawyer but that is all, and only for a reasonable time. 10 to 15 minutes has been ruled as being "overly generous" for a routine drink drive matter already. The rest Tom, is utter BULL...SHIT!!!! and you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Me vs Smartasses win score so far;
Me: 128
Smart-asses: O
I beat that score!!!! Must have more years under my belt... Smart arses score is the same tho...
The scooter guy was a hinderence to traffic - tho i dont think he should have been fined, the outcome required was to get him off the road and a fine wasnt needed to do that. Stay professional - outline the problem, reslove it and carry on doing your duties.
They tried this, told him to speed up... he ignored that. Stopped him again and told him if he can't speed up, get off the next offramp. He ignored that too, so they stopeed him again and ticketed him. Three strikes, he was out.
Anyone see last weeks where father and son were testing there new WRX on the roads - cop clocked him at 160km/h on the in car radar display, the father got fined $750 + court costs and had his license suspended for 28days.
Surely he could have been done under some boy racer policys and had the car taken off him, license suspended for 6 months and huge fine? like most people on those programs seem to get.
Could have been done for that, but was done for the speed only and the courts did not disqualify any further. He no doubt made submissions and had special reasons for not being disqualified further...
Max Preload
27th July 2007, 16:42
They tried this, told him to speed up... he ignored that. Stopped him again and told him if he can't speed up, get off the next offramp. He ignored that too, so they stopeed him again and ticketed him. Three strikes, he was out.
The cop stopped him, ticketed him FIRST, stopped him again because he was only doing 70km/h, made him ride on the shoulder at 25km/h, stopped him a third time when he missed the off-ramp. Total overkill particularly blaming him for the traffic. Anyone who has ever been on the Southern Motorway at Ramarama on the eve of a long weekend knows that even 50km/h is quite a high speed for that section of road, under those conditions and circumstances.
Patrick
27th July 2007, 18:02
The cop stopped him, ticketed him FIRST, stopped him again because he was only doing 70km/h, made him ride on the shoulder at 25km/h, stopped him a third time when he missed the off-ramp. Total overkill particularly blaming him for the traffic. Anyone who has ever been on the Southern Motorway at Ramarama on the eve of a long weekend knows that even 50km/h is quite a high speed for that section of road, under those conditions and circumstances.
Missed that bit (the ticket)... The rest of the traffic was blasting past at much more than what he was doing tho, but he was holding up his lane something shocking. Thought riding the shoulder amongst the marbles was dodgy as, especially as the guy didn't seem to know what he was doing on a bike (when he pulled out the first time and almost became roadkill... and the following 59 point turn at the end...)
Edbear
27th July 2007, 19:02
Does my arse look fat in this uniform?..
I guess depending on why one was pulled up may determine how one answered that question...?:shifty:
scumdog
27th July 2007, 22:03
. Anyone who has ever been on the Southern Motorway at Ramarama on the eve of a long weekend knows that even 50km/h is quite a high speed for that section of road, under those conditions and circumstances.
Then why, if the scooter rider was doing 'about' 50 was the rest of the traffic blasting past him so fast??
And tootled to show their displeasure (I guess that's why they tootled)
youre on a road, you can be asked for your details... if refused you can be locked up. We can also ask you how your day has been, what did you think of the rugby? The weather? Does my arse look fat in this uniform?
FARKEN BUSH LAWYERS. If you follow ANY of this advice, you, your liberty and your licence are screwed. The only piece that is right is only a qualified person can take blood... a doctor or a nurse... We do not call anything else to come in. Yep, you can talk to a lawyer but that is all, and only for a reasonable time. 10 to 15 minutes has been ruled as being "overly generous" for a routine drink drive matter already. The rest Tom, is utter BULL...SHIT!!!! and you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
yeah well i meant foot path if you are on the road its a different story.. but you have the right to refuse the evidential breath tests and demand a blood test but yes you are right the police have to give a reasonable ammount of time to contact a lawyer but can refuse you to see the lawyer in pearson as evidence will be pissed away in the process.... as for your licence getting screwed, it will get screwed anyway if you make your job easy or not
scumdog
27th July 2007, 23:34
yeah well i meant foot path if you are on the road its a different story.. but you have the right to refuse the evidential breath tests and demand a blood test but yes you are right the police have to give a reasonable ammount of time to contact a lawyer but can refuse you to see the lawyer in pearson as evidence will be pissed away in the process.... as for your licence getting screwed, it will get screwed anyway if you make your job easy or not
If your advice is as good as your grammar we're all screwed.....
If your advice is as good as your grammar we're all screwed.....
thanks but that advice is all out of the book
Virago
27th July 2007, 23:46
thanks but that advice is all out of the book
Which book?
Which book?
the new zealand civil rights hand book which is a interperetation of the bill of rights it is a guide to many frequently asked questions that be answered in a clear, authorotive manner.
scumdog
27th July 2007, 23:56
Obviously NOT from a grammar book.
Or the book-of-real-life.
Virago
28th July 2007, 00:00
the new zealand civil rights hand book which is a interperetation of the bill of rights it is a guide to many frequently asked questions that be answered in a clear, authorotive manner.
Cool, if it's authorotive, it must be right...
Obviously NOT from a grammar book.
Or the book-of-real-life.
Do you just feel like haveing a go at someone? because to be honest i dont give a fuck if you dont like my grammer so just go waste someone elses time
Cool, if it's authorotive, it must be right...
thats what it sais on the back so it must be true.. it does have very reliable refrences and i doubt they will be telling me bs. but it was published in 2001 so laws may of changed. if you are really concerned check it out your self with a more up to date book i would be interested to know if there are any changes
Patrick
28th July 2007, 10:58
.. but you have the right to refuse the evidential breath tests and demand a blood test but yes you are right the police have to give a reasonable ammount of time to contact a lawyer but can refuse you to see the lawyer in pearson as evidence will be pissed away in the process.... as for your licence getting screwed, it will get screwed anyway if you make your job easy or not
Now you've got it....:yes: You can refuse any of the breath tests, which means a blood test will be requested. Ruefuse that, and you will be locked up and the courts will automatically deem that refusal as being a very high positive alcohol level and deal with that as they see fit. (Possibly longer disqualification, forfeiture of car, etc...)
The amusing part is if bloods are taken, you will then be required to pay analysts fees and doctors fees on top of any fine the court imposes... about $300 extra... the breath test is free, but hey, that is your call...
If the levels are close to the limit, do bloods... if you are three times over the limit, save your $$$...
The stuff you mentioned before in THAT earlier post is all delaying tactics and the courts won't tolerate it.
The simple advice is "Don't drink and drive..." I heard that somewhere, sometime...
Hey... that could be a campaign logo or summit like that?
Patrick
28th July 2007, 11:08
thanks but that advice is all out of the book
the new zealand civil rights hand book which is a interperetation of the bill of rights it is a guide to many frequently asked questions that be answered in a clear, authorotive manner.
If your advice in your earlier post #62 is from this "authoritive civil rights book," the only use for it is so someone can wipe thier arse with it after a curry dump. The author is a failed bush lawyer who has no idea and the advice you gave is extremely dangerous...
Your earlier advice, if followed, was going to get people in trouble quick smart... just trying to show the dangers of advice given wrongly.... and if that came from this book, it is WRONG!!! Any real lawyer will tell you so...
Virago
28th July 2007, 11:46
...The amusing part is if bloods are taken, you will then be required to pay analysts fees and doctors fees on top of any fine the court imposes... about $300 extra... the breath test is free, but hey, that is your call...
If the levels are close to the limit, do bloods... if you are three times over the limit, save your $$$...
Interesting - I didn't know that the taking of the blood sample was charged to the suspect.
I can understand charging the cost for elective blood sample. But for those that are unable to complete the breath test, perhaps injured, or perhaps severe asthmatics, do they also pay for the blood sample?
Patrick
28th July 2007, 11:54
Interesting - I didn't know that the taking of the blood sample was charged to the suspect.
I can understand charging the cost for elective blood sample. But for those that are unable to complete the breath test, perhaps injured, or perhaps severe asthmatics, do they also pay for the blood sample?
If injured, the bloods are taken for free by the attending doctor or nurse on his authority.
If under the limit, no costs at all. If over, the bill is all yours, and rightly so...
Asthmatics can try it on all they like... the devices are able to be used easily by anyone, even athsmatics, and if they want to play "I have athsma and I can't do it" card, here is the bill for the over the limit blood test for ya too....
The only ones who play this "athsma" card are the pissed ones....!!!
Virago
28th July 2007, 11:57
thanks but that advice is all out of the book
Tom, I think you need to recognise the distinction between two concepts.
Knowing your rights when being dealt with by the police is great.
Promoting ways to evade the law when drink-driving is another matter altogether.
Virago
28th July 2007, 12:01
...Asthmatics can try it on all they like... the devices are able to be used easily by anyone, even athsmatics...
Cheers, didn't know that - never had to go past the "sniffer" test myself...!
Well thank you all pirtch is correct im gonna quit while im ahead. This was a great forum and i have been happy discussing the legalities of all these events it was a good learning experience :)
Patrick
28th July 2007, 12:16
Well thank you all pirtch is correct im gonna quit while im ahead. This was a great forum and i have been happy discussing the legalities of all these events it was a good learning experience :)
Just what it is all about... hope ya learned summit...!!!
Max Preload
28th July 2007, 12:38
Missed that bit (the ticket)... The rest of the traffic was blasting past at much more than what he was doing tho, but he was holding up his lane something shocking. Thought riding the shoulder amongst the marbles was dodgy as, especially as the guy didn't seem to know what he was doing on a bike (when he pulled out the first time and almost became roadkill... and the following 59 point turn at the end...)
To me it doesn't look like he's losing any significant ground on the cars in front of him when the cop first comes up on him. I know it's hard to judge from that angle especially through a camera but that's my perception. And I think the cop told him to stay on the gravel shoulder after the second stop judging by what he said over the radio ("I'll be following him up to the Bombay service station, in the emergency stopping lane so he's clear of the traffic") and the voice over.
scumdog
28th July 2007, 17:36
....
The only ones who play this "athsma" card are the pissed ones....!!!
When I first started on the job I thought that athsmatics got pissed more easily seeing as how so many used that as an excuse for not being able to blow in the machine properly....
Panther
30th July 2007, 13:05
Promoting ways to evade the law when drink-driving is another matter altogether.
But how do you getting around people thinking its ok to do it?
Blackbird
30th July 2007, 15:16
I've only just come across this thread and trying to keep track of all the twists and turns was a mission in itself! On the face of what I've been able to understand, the guy was pretty inexperienced and may well have put his life and that at others at risk because of that. On the other hand, I have a sneaking regard for people who take on epic adventures, especially the experienced ones who know what madness they're getting into! On the 2003 Southern Cross ride (Cape Egmont>East Cape>Cape Reinga>Bluff in 6 days), there was a lunatic on a Suzuki 50. And what's more, he was the first into Bluff from Cape Reinga! Just kept riding, only stoppping for gas and slept on the ferry. Now that was a ride of epic proportions!
And coming up of course is Jantar's marathon from Brisbane to Cairns via the Outback on a postie bike. Mind you, Jantar is certifiably insane.:dodge:
Swoop
30th July 2007, 15:50
Then why, if the scooter rider was doing 'about' 50 was the rest of the traffic blasting past him so fast?
The "initial" report that the officer had, was that people had been following him as low as 40kph.
I imagine the buildup of traffic would have been quite large...
Sanx
31st July 2007, 11:09
As I undeerstand it, the main reason for a cop asking you to state your name and address into the sniffer machine is that saying it takes long enough for the machine to get a reliable reading.
I've never refused to state it, or been required to do anything other than the sniffer test, but I did once get stopped at a checkpoint twenty metres from my house. When asked to state my name and address, I said "Dan ......, and I live in that house with the big palm tree just over there". The cop just grinned, and asked me to watch my speed on the way home (the one time I've not found that comment patronising).
The cops don't make a record of your name and address when you say them and I don't beleive they have any form of audio recording device in the sniffer machines (is this correct, Mr Policemen?). It's just something that gives the machine long enough to get a reading.
sunhuntin
31st July 2007, 12:50
As I undeerstand it, the main reason for a cop asking you to state your name and address into the sniffer machine is that saying it takes long enough for the machine to get a reliable reading.
I've never refused to state it, or been required to do anything other than the sniffer test, but I did once get stopped at a checkpoint twenty metres from my house. When asked to state my name and address, I said "Dan ......, and I live in that house with the big palm tree just over there". The cop just grinned, and asked me to watch my speed on the way home (the one time I've not found that comment patronising).
The cops don't make a record of your name and address when you say them and I don't beleive they have any form of audio recording device in the sniffer machines (is this correct, Mr Policemen?). It's just something that gives the machine long enough to get a reading.
thats what ive always thought too... id never begrudge giving them that. dad hates it though, and acts guilty just by getting pulled over! even though he never is, but he hates cops.
Patrick
31st July 2007, 18:32
The cops don't make a record of your name and address when you say them and I don't beleive they have any form of audio recording device in the sniffer machines (is this correct, Mr Policemen?). It's just something that gives the machine long enough to get a reading.
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