Key cocks it up.

[Skyryder]

His first speech to the National Party bough some major bloopers.

"Under a Labour Government I lead, child abusers will be severely punished." That's the first. Seems Key is not too sure what Party he wants to be in.

But I find this more disturbing.

"After tax wage cuts we'll ensure that they have much a greater income to service those mortgaged or to save for a home," he said in response to a question from TVNZ's Fran Mold.

This is being passed of as another blooper but I'm more concerned about the mindset of this man.

Vote this man in at your peril.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10455919

Skyryder

[Sanx]

Because of course, Comrade Clarke is so much better. I don't think I have to go into the myria do fuck-ups, blunders, bloopers, illegal actions and scandals her and her Politburo have been involved with, do I?

[kro]

Maybe Sanx, but they are some pretty horrendous "bloopers", you have to admit.

[Deviant Esq]

Vote for him at your peril, eh? You mean, Skyrider, you're suggesting a vote for Labour is a better plan than a vote for National? It's more a case of "what have Labour done right" lately than "What public speaking accidents John Key has had".

I don't want anyone telling me who to vote for. I will make my own decision about who I think is a better bet at leading the country. It may be a case of the lesser of two evils... but I have my opinion as to which of the two that is.

[rwh]

Vote for him at your peril, eh? You mean, Skyrider, you're suggesting a vote for Labour is a better plan than a vote for National? It's more a case of "what have Labour done right" lately than "What public speaking accidents John Key has had".

I don't want anyone telling me who to vote for. I will make my own decision about who I think is a better bet at leading the country. It may be a case of the lesser of two evils... but I have my opinion as to which of the two that is.

He didn't tell you who to vote for. He suggested who it may be risky to vote for - at the extreme interpretation, who not to vote for. Last I looked, that still leaves several.

If you don't like either of them, don't vote for either of them. The stronger the smaller parties are, the more control they can exert over the bigger ones. Then it's just a matter of figuring out which way you want them to push ...

Of course, if you don't like any of those either - bearing in mind none of them is likely to actually win, so there's not much need to fear that - you can just abstain.

Richard

[JimO]

yea lets give the greens or maori party more power

[Deviant Esq]

you can just abstain.
Not voting at all is an apathy vote for the status quo. If you don't vote you can't complain about the current state of affairs - bugger that. I will exercise my right to bitch and moan by voting. :bleh:

[Toaster]

Lets get rid of these expensive self interested dorks and be a military banana republic like Fiji.... mmmm bananas.... oh that's right, we don't have a military.

[Delphinus]

There is more out there than just labour and national...
If people didnt think of the "i dont want x therefore I have to vote y" and instead voted for who they think represents them most it might lead to a interesting (in a good way) government

EDIT: Not that there is much choice... Who's up for starting a KB Party?

[oldrider]

His first speech to the National Party bough some major bloopers.

"Under a Labour Government I lead, child abusers will be severely punished." That's the first. Seems Key is not too sure what Party he wants to be in.

But I find this more disturbing.

"After tax wage cuts we'll ensure that they have much a greater income to service those mortgaged or to save for a home," he said in response to a question from TVNZ's Fran Mold.

This is being passed of as another blooper but I'm more concerned about the mindset of this man.

Vote this man in at your peril.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10455919

Skyryder

Helen Key or John Clark? It's not in the mix that the pudding gets the proof though, is it?

It's the eating!

At your "peril", you say Skyryder, what peril the last nine years?

Eenie meenie minie mo, what actually would be the difference! :confused: John.

[Flatcap]

Helen Key or John Clark? It's not in the mix that the pudding gets the proof though, is it?

It's the eating!

.


...pudding.....eating Helen

:sick:....Baaarph...:sick:

Thanks oldrider, I wanted to see my Sunday Roast again

[Usarka]

fuck id rather vote for someone who makes a gaf or two than someone who blantantly lies and misleads the public. keys only guilty of the former so far, not so for old aunty hels.

[Coyote]

I thought the 'leaders' were just spokespeople for the party? Would go to show the whole party is fucked up.

I don't understand why many people like Key. "Oh, he seems like a nice guy"... but he looks so slimey...


Have to join an energy company or some other conglomerate, kiss some arse, become CEO, show how I can be a good leader by cutting costs, firing workers and keeping investors happy and then I can become a politician. That or hug some trees but that wouldn't get me into a party with any fire power.

[Usarka]

or stay at university for 15 years then straight into the a party having never worked in the real world.

[pritch]

It may be a case of the lesser of two evils... but I have my opinion as to which of the two that is.

Well thankfully these days we don't actually have to vote for either of those.

[Hitcher]

Well thankfully these days we don't actually have to vote for either of those.

Technically true. One can always declare one's ballot paper invalid. But unless every other voter does something similar, that's a bit pointless really.

And under New Zealand's MMP system, most of the alternatives are almost interchangeable occupying, as they do, the political centre. Where are the extreme parties? Where are the Stalinists? Where are the Friedmanites? Whatever happened to the Communist Party? Where's the ACT Party of 12 years ago? What about a Nazi Party? The Greens or Maoris are hardly likely to turn our political world on its head.

That's the beauty of MMP -- a system designed to play the ends off against the middle. Invented for post-WWII Germany to stop the Nazis getting back into power, something that it has succeeded at doing spectacularly well.

We're too comfortable and becoming increasingly dependent on The Gummint to do our thinking for us and to protect us from misfortune and our own patent stupidity. No New Zealander is going to vote that away and replace it with some hard-arse, pragmatic and laissez-faire administration.

Labour or National.
Holden or Ford.
DB or Lion.
Tweedledum or Tweedledummer.

Your choice.

[pete376403]

Keys not the only nat who says silly things - Williamson apparently announced that "there were no fat people in concentration camps" - not a good move when the party leader has jewish ancestry
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10455790

[rwh]

Not voting at all is an apathy vote for the status quo. If you don't vote you can't complain about the current state of affairs - bugger that. I will exercise my right to bitch and moan by voting. :bleh:

Even if it means voting for someone you don't like?

You're welcome to interpret lack of a vote that way; hopefully there are people out there (perhaps even in political parties?) who realise there may be other motives.

I would welcome an option for 'Nobody's any good' on the paper, but I'll still abstain before voting for someone I disagree with.

Luckily, that (mostly) isn't the case.

Richard

[Deviant Esq]

Even if it means voting for someone you don't like?
I never said I was voting for someone I didn't like. What I was saying is that if you don't like the current state of affairs, but don't voice your own opinion as to who you think would do a better job, then you're basically saying (by doing nothing) that you don't care enough to try to make a change. Sure, you might be saying there's noone worth voting for, but what it means is that you're not voting for any change either.

[k14]

Keys not the only nat who says silly things - Williamson apparently announced that "there were no fat people in concentration camps" - not a good move when the party leader has jewish ancestry
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10455790
Whats the problem with that statement? It was in response to all these people saying that the only way for fat people to be non-fat is to have an operation. I think its a fairly good point, everyone is too pc these days that no one can say even something remotely sensitive for fear of a bashing by the media.

Yep, Key did make a bit of a blunder, would surprised the whole crowd didn't crack up laughing then. Hard to know whats going on in there. Anything is better than that useless set of lefties.

[Bullitt]

Yep, Key did make a bit of a blunder, would surprised the whole crowd didn't crack up laughing then. Hard to know whats going on in there. Anything is better than that useless set of lefties.
The reason noone cracked up is his speech was at a national party conference. National party supporters dont crack up when their leader makes a mistake.

Who cares, its not like he let slip they wanted to bomb the south island or anything.

[MSTRS]

A trip over the tongue is a very different beast to a lie...and no-one says whether Key went red in the face and apologised for his gaffe(s)...something else missing on the crimson-side.

[avgas]

A very good point was brought up, if you abstain your vote is wasted.
Vote for me - and for every 4% i get, i will hack up a chair in the house.
i reckon there would be a good 5 or so chairs that could get removed from the beehive according to previous figures.

[Skyryder]

Key is a guy who has been at pains to portray himself as poor man made good.

He's only been leader for a few months and in his one big test to the 'party faithful' he blunders about what party he leads. Maybe Oldrider is right. He is more Labour than National, but I don't think so. He was on the news the other night claiminjg the high dollar was caused by Government spending. It is interesting that he is the only one saying that when most commentators who have some knowledge of this say that the high dollar was/is caused by overseas money investors and that precisely is how Key has made his money. By speculation.

He also gaffed with his tax and 'wage' cut statement. Take that and add his often quoted cut 'government spending' and it is not to hard to see that this guy is going to go down the privatisation road in much the same way Douglas and Prebble did.

Key is glib but under pressure he has folded. He 'don't' bode well for the country in my books.


Skyryder

[steved]

Labour or National.
Holden or Ford.
DB or Lion.
Tweedledum or Tweedledummer.

Your choice.
My choice.

National.
Ford.
Water.
Tweedledummer.

A vote for National is a vote for more :scooter:.

Tax cuts = newer bike. It's the only rational choice. :dodge:

[Sanx]

Keys not the only nat who says silly things - Williamson apparently announced that "there were no fat people in concentration camps" - not a good move when the party leader has jewish ancestry
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10455790

Every politician says daft things at times. Williamson's mal-mot is made even worse by the media's immediate highlighting of it, and the usual Jewish pressure group's responses to anything that attempts to compare anything to something that happened to Jews in Nazi Germany. For a start, the Jewish pressure groups always seem to forget that concentration camps weren't just for Jews. Gypsies, communists, homosexuals - basically anyone the Nazis didn't like - also ended up there, and in very large numbers. Not quite the six million odd Jews, but still a significant number.

Despite Williamson making a pretty valid point, it's a shame that what he said automatically gets condemned by people like B'nai Brith and the Jewish Anti-Defamation League. They're, especially the latter, pressure groups that don't do the people they claim to protect any favours at all. They over-react to anything that mentions the holocaust in any way other than a reverent hushed apology for the atrocities carried out against the Jews (no-one else) and, the thing that really pisses me of, massively over-react to anything said that attempts to criticise Israel's policies or actions. Some of these groups need to research their own history and realise that Judaism does not equal Zionism, and Zionism does not equate to giving Israel carte blanche to act like a petulant bully.

I speak with some experience of this, having had to listen to this crap on a very regular basis for the time I've lived in New Zealand; something to do with the Jewish Council chairman referenced in the NZ Herald article being my uncle. When it comes to religion, race relations and anything to do with Judaism or Israel, he and his rabid cohorts can get fucked.

[MisterD]

he and his rapid cohorts can get fucked.

So, are they sprotsbikers too?

[Sanx]

So, are they sprotsbikers too?

Heh. No, they're not sprotsbikers, though if an Israeli firm started producing sprotbikes, no doubt they'd all rush out to buy one.

[Coldrider]

Williamson is a Harley D man.

[Sanx]

Williamson is a Harley D man.

Heh. Vote Labour.

[Hitcher]

Heh. Vote Labour.

Rick Barker rides an Eleventy-one.

[Coldrider]

Peter Davis gets the fuhrer(ess) C50 step thru out for a polish occassionly (from Investigate?).