Chivalry is well and truly dead.

[Deano]

Mrs Deano only has another 2 months before the due date of our first baby.

She catches the train to work into Wellington and back each day.

Yesterday she got on the train and all the seats were taken. She is obviously pregnant, yet not one person offered her their seat.

The train guard came along and clipped her ticket and noticed that she was preggers. Pretty hard not to when he can't get around her in the aisle :rofl:

Guard announces loudly "isn't anyone offering you their seat "?

No response from other passengers so he repeats it even louder (much to Mrs Deano's embarassment).

At this point one woman 'realises the situation' and offers her seat.

Are people so blind or up their own arses to not see Mrs Deano's plight and assist ?

Maybe I'm extra observant by nature but I generally notice most of what is happening around me. (Maybe a motorcyclist survival instinct?)

Even when the guard made a fuss, men didn't jump up with an offer - it took another woman to do it. Oh and I use the word men in the loosest form, as these cretins are not real men.

Mrs Deano told me once how a lady on crutches was struggling to get on the train one day - seated passengers who saw her quickly put their heads back into their newspaper/work/book/arse in order to pretend they were unaware.

What is up with society these days ? Where is the love ?

[Cajun]

Yeah alot of people just seam stuck in the own world, and don't care unless it effects them personally.

Welcome to the 'ME' world

[vifferman]

That sux, Deano. But I'm sure if someone like you was there, he would've given up his seat. I sure would have (without being prompted).

But then I still enjoy holding doors open for people, and opening the car door for my wife.

[Blackbird]

...... and opening the car door for my wife.

Good man. That's something I enjoy doing for female passengers too.

[ManDownUnder]

Where is the love?

Good question. I feel like a parrot on this but... we need to get it back. It's nuts. Baby Nia was ignored byt he neighbours. Your wife was ignored byt he others ... despite both obviously needing help...

And yet here we are helping Mack, helping IL4, helping Shaun... etc. THAT's where the community is, where it starts and we just have to keep doing it... others are catching on I'm sure...

[Chickadee]

Yep, there are a lot of 'all for me' types out there.

But there are some good people too, I had trouble getting a seat most of the time when I was preggas working in London (commuting by railway), but not all the time. I'd say 30% of the time I'd get some nice person offering me a seat. I had to be quite vocal one night when trains were packed that - hey I'm pregnant - don't squash my and my baby and yes I was standing all the way home!

I'd give up my seat for a pregnant or elderly person for sure.

[MyGSXF]

Mrs Deano only has another 2 months before the due date of our first baby... yet not one person offered her their seat.



Ignorant sods!!! :angry:

All the best when bubs arrives!!! :Punk: ( ps: enjoy your bike while you still can.. :shutup:)

[007XX]

it's not all gone burgers but it's close sometimes...

About 10 years ago, when I was pregnant, I had a similar problem and so to see how far people were going to go to ignore the situation, I feigned having belly pains...

I know it may sound horrible and manipulative, but my back was killing me and noone seemed to give a bat's arse...

At the first look of pain on my face, about 4 people immediately came to the rescue.

i think the moral on this is that living in cities, we are overloaded with demands on our sense of compassion, the stresses of dealing with a busy lifestyle and the everyday coping device in our heads just demands that we "shut down" the Give signal to selfishly reserve some for our own purposes.

It doesn't mean it's right or it's fair, but you wouldn't find this in rural environments...there people depend on each other, relationships are stronger as the close community makes you responsible for each other...

I hate cities...:angry:

[gijoe1313]

It's just not endemic to NZ... I was in Japan and I know the custom that it's a dog eat dog world for a seat on a train. I've seen old ladies, hit and poke with umbrellas and elbow their way into a seat. Don't blame them, can be there for ages standing and I've always wondered about the paradox of their polite face and the other shadier side of it (Honne/Tatamae).

I think I broke all social conventions and taboos when I was there, on the train, I would always give up my seat for the elderly, pregnant or those who looked most in need (hell, I got two legs and standing ain't no prob).

The look of shock, suprise and gratefulness I got touched me deeply. Also, the palpable air as the "shame" and loss of face my largesse created was interesting. They weren't to know I wasn't Japanese (was treated like one all the time I was there! :lol:) so my behaviour must have been outrageous! :lol:

Don't know if things have changed. Will have to go back and find out again! :woohoo: :msn-wink:

In a nutshell. Render assistance to those in need. If you are a bloke, get off your arse and give up your seat.

[McJim]

I blame the big OE. All these Kiwis go to London and pick up bad habits. :rofl:

[Deviant Esq]

Where is the love?

Good question. I feel like a parrot on this but... we need to get it back. It's nuts. Baby Nia was ignored byt he neighbours. Your wife was ignored byt he others ... despite both obviously needing help...

And yet here we are helping Mack, helping IL4, helping Shaun... etc. THAT's where the community is, where it starts and we just have to keep doing it... others are catching on I'm sure...
I quite agree MDU.

Personally this sort of thing makes me quite cross. Not so very long ago IL4 came and asked me if it would be possible for me to escort him back to Taranaki from Christchurch, as he was not able to go it alone. He'd asked several people, but noone had been forthcoming - even family and closer friends - so he asked me to do it, and I did. Least I could do for a fellow KBer, nay, fellow human being in a moment of need. I was surprised, though, that he'd found it so hard to find someone to help him out, after what he's gone through.

People seem more and more intent on thinking only about themselves, rather than helping someone else in need... hell not even that, a little courtesy wouldn't go amiss. I make a point of audibly thanking people that make an effort to make room for me, it surprises them that I care and they smile.

Bring back the love.

[avgas]

Yep - i had good fun catching the bus on crutches, already full and no where where i could sit. no one got up and helped me fall down the steps or give me their seats.
Public transport is about as polite as a rectal exam.
Mind due isnt half of the hutt prego these days? lol (pt)

[yungatart]

I'm sorry for what happened to your wife, Deano, that really sux.
But it isn't all like that...when I was on crutches, endless people offered to help me all the time! I was blown away by it quite frankly.
And, no, it wasn't just in rural areas or small towns either, I even got assistance in Auckland!!!
I guess if we all do our bit, at least we are trying to make the world a better place...and succeeding, if only in a small way.

[Karma]

Welcome to the 'ME' world


Isn't that on the welcome sign at Auckland airport?

[Toaster]

i think the moral on this is that living in cities, we are overloaded with demands on our sense of compassion, the stresses of dealing with a busy lifestyle and the everyday coping device in our heads just demands that we "shut down" the Give signal to selfishly reserve some for our own purposes.

It doesn't mean it's right or it's fair, but you wouldn't find this in rural environments...there people depend on each other, relationships are stronger as the close community makes you responsible for each other...

I hate cities...:angry:

I live in a rural area and the community feeling is certainly good. Having said that, historically it was better. We drift slowly towards a society of self interest and self importance over and above that of caring for our fellow man and woman and a love and commitment to our country which in my view has lost much of it's patriotism and sense of community and togetherness.

I remember the days I used to catch a bus to work in Wellington, the kids never stood for adults and the men rarely ever stood for women. I think it is a shame!

[Mystery]

I'm sorry to hear that this happened, unbelievable!!

I'm sure there were a lot of people that saw your wife and knew they should offer up their seat, but just chose to put their blinkers on. Please know that not everyone is that selfish or thoughtless. If I was there, my seat would have been hers, no hesitation!

[Lissa]

I have to say when I was pregant I never got any special treatment from anyone.... I had a one year old and was quite pregant, carrying the child who had a tantrum and a couple of bag of groceries.... no help from anyone, just alot of comments about my naughty child! :angry:

I can say that if I was on the train I would have given my seat to anyone who might need it, old or pregant alike.. its sad other people cant think more of others.

[007XX]

I remember the days I used to catch a bus to work in Wellington, the kids never stood for adults and the men rarely ever stood for women. I think it is a shame!


Absolutely...What happened to good ol' fashioned courtesy, ethics, moralities that we all have been taught by our parents...well, I know mine did anyway.

My son is always complimented on how polite he is...He says "please" and "Thank you", and as he opens a door for a woman, he will say "ladies first"...most women will be looking like this:gob:

He's only ten, so it's not a matter of being old enough to know better.

[Deano]

Mind due isnt half of the hutt prego these days? lol (pt)

I can only claim responsibility for one !!

[KATWYN]

i think the moral on this is that living in cities, we are overloaded with demands on our sense of compassion, the stresses of dealing with a busy lifestyle and the everyday coping device in our heads just demands that we "shut down" the Give signal to selfishly reserve some for our own purposes.



sensory "shut down" That seems really logical. It still sucks though. I agree about rural as well.

[Toaster]

My son is always complimented on how polite he is...He says "please" and "Thank you", and as he opens a door for a woman, he will say "ladies first"...most women will be looking like this:gob:

He's only ten, so it's not a matter of being old enough to know better.

Now that is great to hear! I almost fell over the other day when a young child stopped and waited for me to walk through the door... so polite and I was hugely impressed.

I don't have children, but I know kids are tough to raise.... good on you for doing so well with your son.

[Mom]

I hate cities...:angry:


It has been 15 odd years since I was pregnant, but things were not that different back then, even though I live in a small town. Extremely big bellied, standing in a que at the supermarket checkout, the person behind me kept shunting me with her trolley muttering about moving up a bit. I eventually got fed up and turned around to let her see the reason for the gap between me and my trolley. This female did not even have the grace to look abashed when I pointed out that if I could have got closer I would have. Fuken SOAPs.

Sorry that your wife did not get the concern that she should have. Loud protests from other like minded people (us) when we see shit like that might help reverse the trend?

Good manners have gone out the window it seems.

[judecatmad]

Mrs Deano only has another 2 months before the due date of our first baby.

She catches the train to work into Wellington and back each day.

Yesterday she got on the train and all the seats were taken. She is obviously pregnant, yet not one person offered her their seat.


Yeah, same thing has happened to me twice this week - altho I can forgive people for thinking I'm just hugely fat at the moment cos I'm only 20 weeks.

Another thing that really gets me is kids remaining seated when adults are standing - one girl was on the train with her mother and the mother didn't bat an eyelid when people were standing around them both.

It's not just chivalry, it's respect for others' situations and plain old good manners.

[Trudes]

It's all about I'm afraid and not just here in NZ either.
While in Melbourne the hubby and I went to the movies, and I noticed a blind man was escorted into the theater before it began. Anyway, the movie ended and I noticed him still sitting there and nobody coming back in to escort him back out. So I went over and asked if he needed a hand. Walked him out and down to the ticket office, no worries, but what really amazed me was the amount of people who would not get out of our way! I mean the guy was obviously blind, cane, holding my arm, eyes closed... come on, yet still people walked directly at us and expected us to move! Fuckers!! :angry:

Deano, tell Mrs Deano to just sit on someones knee next time, then the bastards might learn some respect!

[Colapop]

Two things...
I always get up for women - pregnant or not. I don't know about chivalry, that's just respect. I make kids stand too. Even had one person tell me I shouldn't do that. They shut up real fast when I asked if they would give up their seat for the kid!

Ummm.... what does a blind man watch at the movies...?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I always get up for women

Go you good thing you!:innocent:

[Trudes]

Two things...
I always get up for women - pregnant or not. I don't know about chivalry, that's just respect. I make kids stand too. Even had one person tell me I shouldn't do that. They shut up real fast when I asked if they would give up their seat for the kid!

Ummm.... what does a blind man watch at the movies...?

Good on you Col, we all already know you're a gem though!!
He was watching Transformers and then was going to the Fantastic Four movie and writing a review of them for a blind magazine of some sort, even he joked about a blind man going to the movies.

[Meanie]

Two things...
I always get up for women - pregnant or not. I don't know about chivalry, that's just respect. I make kids stand too. Even had one person tell me I shouldn't do that. They shut up real fast when I asked if they would give up their seat for the kid!

Ummm.... what does a blind man watch at the movies...?

Nice one Colapop i have to admit i would do the same, but i think that was drumed into us as children, all about respect. Younger generation nowdays dont seem to have the same values Growing up in a small town taught you different values too, most people you came across every day wernt strangers How many people do you know in a big city
Such a shame that no one gave your wife a seat and good on the conducter and the woman who gave up her seat

[Skyryder]

Yes it is well and truly dead. It's the sort of thing I use notice when bus driving.

However one thing that use to stand out is the number of times asian woman would offer their seats. The men.............never. As for out youth.............on very very rare occasions...............and that was from street kids to the more respectable.

Skyryder

[Deano]

i think that was drumed into us as children, all about respect. Younger generation nowdays dont seem to have the same values

I think you have hit the nail on the head a bit there - what values do some parents instil these days, if any ? (And not just these days either - some of the guys on the train are older than me but obviously have different values)



However one thing that use to stand out is the number of times asian woman would offer their seats. The men.............never.

I noticed a distinct difference between male and female in the chinese culture when my mum had two chinese students staying with her. The girl would offer to help with dinner - the guy would watch tv until it was served, then wolf it down, then back to tv. The girl would clear his plate from the table, then help with dishes.

[Virago]

When I was nipper, way back in the 'sixties, kids had to give up their seats on the bus for an adult. That was the way it was - no arguments.

In the 'eighties, there was a backlash - parents started to demand respect of thieir child's rights. My child has payed for their seat - why should they have to give it to an adult?

And so to today - those children of the 'eighties are now having chidren of their own. The result - a self-obsessed and utterly selfish community.

Often in this situation, it would be a frail old man that would be first to offer his seat. He's the only one on the bus for whom good manners is instinctive.

Holding the door open for someone. I still do it instinctively, but it becomes apparent that it is not "the done thing" now, as people then walk through with eyes averted, and no hint of acknowledgement. I usually wait a couple of seconds, and yell "you're welcome" after them.

Oh dear, listen to us old farts, complaining about today's yoof...

[kro]

Don't blame the punters. I opened a door for a lady 6 weeks ago, and got an icy stare, and the comment "I can open my own doors, I'm not handicapped you know". I didn't bother telling her to get fucked, as she was obviously a bitch, and would have been told by someone else later in the day.

Womens Liberation, women can do anything, women are empowered, equal pay, equal employment possibilities, women this, that, and the other thing. We are bombarded with this daily, don't blame the punters for listening, and letting women tough it out with the men.

One thing I hate about womens liberation, is that it takes the mystique, the attraction, and the very heart of the women, and makes them like every other working man, and I think this is a shame. I like to be able to help carry a ladys grocery bags to her car, I like to be able to open doors, or give up a seat on the bus etc etc. But if women are going to go out and work, they can carry their own bags, and open their own doors, because they want the equal footing.

[Virago]

...Womens Liberation, women can do anything, women are empowered, equal pay, equal employment possibilities, women this, that, and the other thing. We are bombarded with this daily, don't blame the punters for listening, and letting women tough it out with the men...

Bingo.

Simple good manners can now be perceived as patronisation. The act of being nice to a fellow human being, hinges crucially on a gracious and good mannered response.

It's a death-spiral...

[Deano]

Don't blame the punters. I opened a door for a lady 6 weeks ago, and got an icy stare, and the comment "I can open my own doors, I'm not handicapped you know". I didn't bother telling her to get fucked, as she was obviously a bitch, and would have been told by someone else later in the day.

Womens Liberation, women can do anything, women are empowered, equal pay, equal employment possibilities, women this, that, and the other thing. We are bombarded with this daily, don't blame the punters for listening, and letting women tough it out with the men.

One thing I hate about womens liberation, is that it takes the mystique, the attraction, and the very heart of the women, and makes them like every other working man, and I think this is a shame. I like to be able to help carry a ladys grocery bags to her car, I like to be able to open doors, or give up a seat on the bus etc etc. But if women are going to go out and work, they can carry their own bags, and open their own doors, because they want the equal footing.

I was waiting for this, and personally I think it is a cop out.

There might be a few butch women's libbers that won't graciously accept a seat or door opened, but on the whole that would be a very minor percentage.

Doesn't wash with me sorry.

And it's not an equal footing when the woman is carrying several kg's of a man's progeny in their belly.

Where have all the REAL MEN gone.

[Meanie]

Where have all the REAL MEN gone.

We are still here we just got a little older :yes:

[skelstar]

It doesn't have to be a gender thing anyway...

[Deano]

It doesn't have to be a gender thing anyway...

I'd like to see you try and carry a baby......

[fireliv]

THats just completely rude. I dont get it. I see a person with kids, or and older person or a pregnant lady I will always get up and give them my seat. Maybe its the way that people are brought up. I was always told to respect those older than me.

Mind you I normally prefer to stand anyways.....

[janno]

Don't blame the punters. I opened a door for a lady 6 weeks ago, and got an icy stare, and the comment "I can open my own doors, I'm not handicapped you know". I didn't bother telling her to get fucked, as she was obviously a bitch, and would have been told by someone else later in the day.

Womens Liberation, women can do anything, women are empowered, equal pay, equal employment possibilities, women this, that, and the other thing. We are bombarded with this daily, don't blame the punters for listening, and letting women tough it out with the men.

One thing I hate about womens liberation, is that it takes the mystique, the attraction, and the very heart of the women, and makes them like every other working man, and I think this is a shame. I like to be able to help carry a ladys grocery bags to her car, I like to be able to open doors, or give up a seat on the bus etc etc. But if women are going to go out and work, they can carry their own bags, and open their own doors, because they want the equal footing.

That's not womens lib Kro, that's being an obnoxious bitch.
I look upon it as person A being polite to person B. Gender shouldn't be an issue. Ignore that tart and keep opening doors, I say!

I've worked as an ASME IX welder, and as crew on fishing vessels, and was gobsmacked when a flatmate at the time said she was offended that I used the phrase "big girls blouse" as a jokey put down.

That silly bitch was a nurse, for gawd sakes! Hardly a ground breaking gender role. I think I've earned the right to say whatever I damn please, after the jobs and conditions I've worked in.

I was respected at my various workplaces for being able to do the job and get on with people. If I'd been a knee jerk feminazi I'd have lasted five seconds. No one likes to work with an argumentative cunt, to put it crudely, no matter what sex they are.

[gijoe1313]

The funny thing is most of the time being bikers, we usually hold to the unwritten law that we should help fellow bikers in need. From the people I've met, it just strikes me that they would do that regardless anyhow (ok maybe not for a stranded cager...but I have done so in the past and would keep doing so).

Always funny to see the reaction when you're helping people out in your biker gear (in my case...:innocent:) and you get to talking... and realise you ain't a P-dealing, tattooed, patched gang member :lol:

"Oh, me? I'm an English teacher..."
"..... really? ....."
(here I would like to say "actually no, I'm a P-dealing, tattooed, patched gang member - you got a daughter?" :devil2:)

[Virago]

...Where have all the REAL MEN gone.

I was a Real Man once. A long time ago it was.

I sold my bike and bought a car, so my wife wouldn't have to ride public transport when pregnant.

Those were the days...

[Deano]

I was a Real Man once. A long time ago it was.

I sold my bike and bought a car, so my wife wouldn't have to ride public transport when pregnant.

Those were the days...

You gave up on your manhood bro ? Now that is not necessary and maybe that is part of the problem - men do not know how to behave like men these days. Two much PC/societal/anti-testosterone BS getting in the way of good old fashioned values.

Incidentally, the wife catches the train because it is preferable for her to sitting in peak hour traffic for ever, finding a park, and the extra $$ associated with these options. She is pregnant, not handicapped.

I would sell the bikes in a second if I needed to support my wife or family.

But with the extra dosh saved by using public transport, hey......

[Brett]

Mrs Deano only has another 2 months before the due date of our first baby.

She catches the train to work into Wellington and back each day.

Yesterday she got on the train and all the seats were taken. She is obviously pregnant, yet not one person offered her their seat.

The train guard came along and clipped her ticket and noticed that she was preggers. Pretty hard not to when he can't get around her in the aisle :rofl:

Guard announces loudly "isn't anyone offering you their seat "?

No response from other passengers so he repeats it even louder (much to Mrs Deano's embarassment).

At this point one woman 'realises the situation' and offers her seat.

Are people so blind or up their own arses to not see Mrs Deano's plight and assist ?

Maybe I'm extra observant by nature but I generally notice most of what is happening around me. (Maybe a motorcyclist survival instinct?)

Even when the guard made a fuss, men didn't jump up with an offer - it took another woman to do it. Oh and I use the word men in the loosest form, as these cretins are not real men.

Mrs Deano told me once how a lady on crutches was struggling to get on the train one day - seated passengers who saw her quickly put their heads back into their newspaper/work/book/arse in order to pretend they were unaware.

What is up with society these days ? Where is the love ?


Shit mate, that is really rude. I would always offer my seat to a female or elderly male, or even a young kid.

Same goes for things like helpng the elderly unload heavy items from their grocery trolleys etc. Only takes me 20 seconds, but helps them considerably

I can't believe how rude/self centered some people can be...

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

That sucks no-one giving your wife a seat. I was standing in a bus the other day and a middle aged man with a walking stick got on - this young female teenager offered him her seat - he declined say he was only going 2 more stops but thanked the young girl for offering. I was heartened by this but not one male offered!

I love it when a male opens a door for me - lets me go first - and I always thank them. Each time it gives me a lift of the spirits.

One thing I have also noticed about the younger generation is how they will walk straight at you and expect you to get out of their way - or cut your "space" off. Some brush so close pass me - I do laugh at times cos usually I have a cig in my hand and guess where the lit top goes - on their clothes. Serves them right - and it isn't as if they haven't got enough room!!

Well tolerance level was zilch today - and a runner came blatting around the corner - semi hesitated then ran straight for me - well he got "Watch where ya fkn going you retard".

All boils down to courtesy and respect and sadly there is very little of that around.

[NordieBoy]

But then I still enjoy holding doors open for people, and opening the car door for my wife.

Car?
I'll hold the bike still while she throws her leg over, if that counts...

[Indiana_Jones]

Well I believe in Chivalry (to a reasonable degree), I'd give up my seat for a pregnant women or old person.

But didn't those femmist bitches in the 70's want equal treatment? :p

-Indy

[NordieBoy]

Where have all the REAL MEN gone.

They're out riding at the moment.
Please leave a message and they'll get back to you.

[Fatjim]

I can't believe you've still got the old girl working!

[phaedrus]

...and the comment "I can open my own doors, I'm not handicapped you know". ..
did you say ok, and close the door in front of her?
Damn bizarre, I never had that happen to me, usually just silence and occasionally a thank you for holding the door a little longer.

[crazybigal]

i hold my mrs hair back while she spews in the toilet, does that count?
yeah its a shitty world we live in!!!
maybe those selfish pricks are gettn one back on you for when they have to put up with your screaming kids at the supermarket or at a cafe tryn to have a coffee in peace?

[kro]

I was waiting for this, and personally I think it is a cop out.

Don't get me wrong Deano, a pregnant woman would get my seat on a bus every time, what I'm saying is people are gun shy about chivalry, when it gets responses like I got 6 weeks ago.
I hate the current status quo as much as you, I'm fiercely "old school" in my manners, and hate what the country is about, but the reality is, we are a dying breed mate.
Janno, my chivalristic manner will continue, but I think if the frequency of abuse starts rising, I will re evaluate my standpoint on the idea. I used to get that a fair bit when I lived in Aucks, and love that women down in the South are so much more polite, and still dig the chivalry thing.

Hopefully my case was an isolated one, and so was yours.

[scootnz]

Having had practice at this, the trick is to ask someone specifically if they will let you sit down. Announcing it out loud to everyone does little good - you have to pick someone (an easy target) and ask them to give up their seat.

On buses, any schoolkid will do, since they're supposed to let full fare paying adults sit down anyway.

Not so sure what the train policy is though.

[James Deuce]

If I'd been on the train I would have stood up in an instant mate. Done it before and will do it again.

This is one of those moments where I'm almost sorry I ride the bike to work (naaah:) ).

[yungatart]

I still don't think decent manners/respect/chivalry is entirely dead, so I will give you another example.
As part of my job, I have to push a girl who is in a wheelchair. Several of our doors at school open outwards and need to be pulled open. There are no latches on these doors to hook them open. It is impossible for me to get her through these doors without some help. I almost never have to ask for it.
Some of the most "riff raff" of our students leap up and hold the door for me!
These kids are 13 -18 y/o!
Please don't lump all kids in to the same basket.

[Deano]

But didn't those femmist bitches in the 70's want equal treatment? :p

-Indy

They are a minority I'd say.


I can't believe you've still got the old girl working!

I used to know someone who was teaching aerobics classes 1 month before birth and then again a few weeks after.

Her extreme fitness levels helped the birthing process immensely.


i hold my mrs hair back while she spews in the toilet, does that count?


Now that's a real gentleman. My stomach wouldn't allow me to do that - the smell, sight and noise would get me going.


Don't get me wrong Deano, a pregnant woman would get my seat on a bus every time, what I'm saying is people are gun shy about chivalry, when it gets responses like I got 6 weeks ago.
Hopefully my case was an isolated one, and so was yours.

I take your point - the response you got was out of order, and I would hope a very minor percentage of women would feel that way.

Perhaps you could have said to her " I only opened the door for you so I could check out your arse, but now your there I see it wasn't worth the effort.......":shutup::innocent:

[Deano]

I still don't think decent manners/respect/chivalry is entirely dead, so I will give you another example.
As part of my job, I have to push a girl who is in a wheelchair. Several of our doors at school open outwards and need to be pulled open. There are no latches on these doors to hook them open. It is impossible for me to get her through these doors without some help. I almost never have to ask for it.
Some of the most "riff raff" of our students leap up and hold the door for me!
These kids are 13 -18 y/o!
Please don't lump all kids in to the same basket.

Yeah I don't think it is entirely a generation thing. More the set of values and morals that we are taught by our mentors (parents/grandparents etc).

Some of the guys on the train that won't offer their seat are in their 40's, 50's and 60's !!

Back in the eighties when I was at school, we had to give up our seat for an adult because we only paid child/student fares.

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sensory "shut down" That seems really logical. It still sucks though. I agree about rural as well.

However logical, people are aware of ti and therefor should try to compensate for it...But it sucks, I agree. I remember living in a farm some years ago, pretty much 1 hour away from everything and thinking"man, this is the life"...Maybe I'm just growing into a cavewoman in my old age!:sunny:


Now that is great to hear! I almost fell over the other day when a young child stopped and waited for me to walk through the door... so polite and I was hugely impressed.

I don't have children, but I know kids are tough to raise.... good on you for doing so well with your son.

Thank mate...my son is my life and the least I can do is raise him the best I can for bringing him into such an arguably difficult world.


It has been 15 odd years since I was pregnant, but things were not that different back then, even though I live in a small town. Extremely big bellied, standing in a que at the supermarket checkout, the person behind me kept shunting me with her trolley muttering about moving up a bit. I eventually got fed up and turned around to let her see the reason for the gap between me and my trolley. This female did not even have the grace to look abashed when I pointed out that if I could have got closer I would have. Fuken SOAPs.

Sorry that your wife did not get the concern that she should have. Loud protests from other like minded people (us) when we see shit like that might help reverse the trend?

Good manners have gone out the window it seems.

Yeah mate...but then, there are examples of true friendship, valor and beauty....and I think KB is one of them!

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