Screamer or H.A.R.D. ?

[Gizzit]

Opinions people.
Which one to use with your detector ... and why ?
I've selected a detector to buy, and have the choice of either system to use, but want advice from those of you who are using either one of these systems ... or any other systems out there .... ?
Cheers,
Grant.

[Laava]

I am about to mount one under the fairing with an additional LED glued to the top of the screen to catch my eye. What is H.A.R.D?
[Oh yeah, wait for the wisecracks to flow in!]

[Gizzit]

Hi there Laava,
Well ... I can't remember what the letters actually stand for at the moment, but someone will for sure.
What it is ... is a LED display unit that fits inside your helmet, and it flashes any time your detector puts out a signal. This is detected via the output plug from the detector, into a receiver which is often secured on the underside of the detector. The signal is then transmitted wirelessly to the LED in your helmet. Some people prefer this to the audio (Screamer) letting you know something's up!

[bucket boy]

hard system for me i find not looking up and down at detector all the time you put the led flasher any where you want in your helmet

[Laava]

The in helmet thing sounds good to me! Wed nights at all Gizzit?

[Gizzit]

The in helmet thing sounds good to me! Wed nights at all Gizzit?

Yes the hard system does sound easy. I was only concerned about keeping the transmitting device from getting wet. The radar detector has a cover, but not sure if there is anything available for the hard transmitter.

Wednesday nights will be an option for me soon with any luck, but have been flat out with work and completing post grad papers..... :yawn:

[Laava]

Cool. Try this link for HARD. Think I'll go with the screen mounted LED for freeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.shopcity.co.nz/Shop/Cat.asp?CatID=124

[puddy]

"I like the H.A.R.D. one!" Never thought I'd say anything like that on a website, especially a biker one! I've got one hooked up to a Valentine. Works well.:rofl: Ride with a guy that has an earplug thingy and have seen him rip it out twice so far.

[boomer]

yeah that search function must be busted again huh

[MD]

Helmet Assisted Radar Detection.
I run a V1 with HARD. I carry a small plastic bag and rubber band in my jacket in case it rains - which is never in Wgtn. When out of Wgtn and it starts raining I just slip the bag over mount which covers the radar and HARD unit.
I have seen riders using a wire to an ear plug...and always adjusting it and getting the wires tangled. What a pain in the arse.

[sAsLEX]

What a pain in the arse.

You react faster to audio than visual apparently............

[Slingshot]

I have seen riders using a wire to an ear plug...and always adjusting it and getting the wires tangled. What a pain in the arse.

I use an ear plug and it is a pain in the arse but it works well and I'm used to it now.


You react faster to audio than visual apparently............

I haven't seen the research but I tend to agree, not that I've tried the HARD system so can't compare visual to audio.

If I had the cash, this is the system that I would use:
Bluetooth Audio Link Kit (http://www.flashcards.co.nz/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=71_155&products_id=1182)
Anyone else out there using it?

[Cr1MiNaL]

I use the H.A.R.D device on my V1, with the red led mounted in my peripheral vision in my helmet somewhere. Works wonders. Personally comming out from a tight corner the last thing I want is something screeming in my ears... I'd rather get a ticket than fall off my bike in fright.

[sAsLEX]

I use the H.A.R.D device on my V1, with the red led mounted in my peripheral vision in my helmet somewhere. Works wonders. Personally comming out from a tight corner the last thing I want is something screeming in my ears... I'd rather get a ticket than fall off my bike in fright.

And something lying in to your peripheral vision is not going to make your flinch or try to avoid it as it pops up unexpected?


A noise is easier to deal with..........

[Cr1MiNaL]

And something lying in to your peripheral vision is not going to make your flinch or try to avoid it as it pops up unexpected?


A noise is easier to deal with..........

Well that was my opinion, it needn't be yours. Besides I can ignore anything in my peripheral vision if I choose. I cannot choose not to hear a scream in my eardrum. A small light is less likely to startle me.

[hXc]

Followed a guy on a VFR800 yesterday from Woodville to Waipukarau. I suspected he had a detector, so let him lead. Coming into Dannevirke I could see the red light reflecting in his mirrors. Looks like it'd be pretty effective. I'd prefer it to ear plug because I ride with fitted ear plugs anyway, and normal audio earplugs don't really fit my ears.

Light > plug.

[sAsLEX]

Well that was my opinion, it needn't be yours. Besides I can ignore anything in my peripheral vision if I choose. I cannot choose not to hear a scream in my eardrum. A small light is less likely to startle me.

Umm no you cant ignore things in your peripheral vision...... I can make you blink every time I shove a hand etc in you peripheral vision as it is a self defence mechanism......... but you obviously can ,,,,,

[Cr1MiNaL]

Umm no you cant ignore things in your peripheral vision...... I can make you blink every time I shove a hand etc in you peripheral vision as it is a self defence mechanism......... but you obviously can ,,,,,

Thats not what I meant by "ignore". Why would I want to ignore it in the first place? It's saving me money. I meant that if I'm coming through a tight corner and there are cars passing me etc in the opposite lane, I can concentrate more on getting by the cars safely, then focus on the radar warning (prioritize). safety > anything else is my point. ie. the light doesn't startle me.

But surely you are entitled to your own opinion. Sweet as...

[Gizzit]

[QUOTE=
If I had the cash, this is the system that I would use:
Bluetooth Audio Link Kit (http://www.flashcards.co.nz/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=71_155&products_id=1182)
Anyone else out there using it?[/QUOTE]

That looks like a good option too.
I wear moulded earplugs which I recently got when I was in Rotorua, from Plugs 4 Lugs. They work so well, I would rather not interfere with them, although I know they do offer plugs with a speaker system in them, that may well be able to be adapted.

I was talking to a guy today that had a simple mono ear plug/speaker with volume control which was on the wiring to the plug, which he bought cheaply from Dick Smith. He just has the speaker set up in his helmet and adjusts the volume depending on where he is riding. He said he had got used to being attached to his detector by a wire, and didn't find it that much of a hassle. Simple but effective I guess.

Why the screamer appeals as an option is that even with good ear plugs, you can still hear a screamer going off apparently, and can switch it from city to hiway, as well as mute.
However, the HARD system would be just as effective I guess.
Cheers,
Grant.

[Slingshot]

I wear moulded earplugs which I recently got when I was in Rotorua, from Plugs 4 Lugs. They work so well, I would rather not interfere with them, although I know they do offer plugs with a speaker system in them, that may well be able to be adapted.

I wear ear plugs too (just the cheap squishy ones though). I jam the plug in and then sit the little ear bud thingy on top of the plug then pull my helmet on.
It's remarkable how well I can still hear the sound from the ear bud even when the ear plug is in.

[SVboy]

I am planning to get a detector very soon for the Gixxer. I am favouring the screamer-because it is more simple, and hard wired in. I assume no extra battery concerns as you would with the HARD? Does the HARD require any helmet mods and is it easily transferable between helmets?. I figure the screamer setup is there, on the bike, just switch on and go-less to remember, less to go wrong. It wont go off in your ear because it is tucked under the fairing, but I can see the "startle" potential, esp if you are focussed in a corner or whatever. I am a bit of a luddite though!!!

[slopster]

The LED is nice and bright for the daytime but make sure you point it away from your face at night because it will blind you. Even with it pointed away its still a bit too bright at night. Also they eat batterys and cost about $3 a battery and you need 2.

[Blackbird]

Physiologically, you don't react as quickly to a visual cue as an audible one but in practice, I don't know what the difference is. All I know is when my screamer sounds off, I just about s**t myself and react pretty darned fast! Refer to: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=37827 for screamer review.

[pritch]

I'm still looking for the perfect solution to the detector warning problem.

Currently I'm using a mono earphone with a clip that goes behind the ear to hold it in place. It's a Radio Shack item retailed by Dick Smith.

True it can be a a pain in the arse at times, the cord flaps around and if I start waving my arms around I can inadvertently try to tug it out of my ear. Then again it cost the princely sum of $9.99.

[Finn]

I've got the HARD system. The upside is there's is no way you can miss it. The down side is that it's a bit fiddly (turning in on /off) and it uses batteries. Also, the transmitter fouls if it gets wet.

[Plugz 4 Lugz]

....... on January 8th, on our way to Ruapuna, if you wish to catch up and check out what Gizzit is talking about. Our custom made earplugs would be far more comfortable than jamming stuff into your ears:). Cheers Sue

I wear ear plugs too (just the cheap squishy ones though). I jam the plug in and then sit the little ear bud thingy on top of the plug then pull my helmet on.
It's remarkable how well I can still hear the sound from the ear bud even when the ear plug is in.

[ArcherWC]

ive used both and prefer the screamer as I didnt react to the light any where near as fast as I do to the "scream"

[McDuck]

I think i would go for the in helmet thing to....

[kiwifruit]

Screamer works well, is water and impact proof and can be heard at thrice the speed limit. No wires, no light in your eyeball giving you the shits at night. kids love it, etc.

[McDuck]

Screamer works well, is water and impact proof and can be heard at thrice the speed limit. No wires, no light in your eyeball giving you the shits at night. kids love it, etc.

Do you still hear it if you have ear plugs in?

[kiwifruit]

oh yes

[Blackbird]

Can't think of much that would stop the noise of a screamer, eh Allan?

Geoff

[McDuck]

So would you turn it off once you have head it?

[kiwifruit]

they come with a 3 way switch, off quiet and loud

i never bother turning it off, its fun to go past a hp car with it screaming away... they can hear it for sure

[2fst4u]

just out of intrest, what sound does a screamer make? really loud scream or blipping noise etc?

[kiwifruit]

Similar to a smoke alarm, not quite as piercing, same type of speaker.
Different tones depending on band etc

[2fst4u]

oh right, thanks.

[McDuck]

Similar to a smoke alarm, not quite as piercing, same type of speaker.
Different tones depending on band etc

What is the best brand for biking? And cost etc?
Thanks

[TerminalAddict]

http://motorcycleradar.com/



Paul,
Shipping cost to send the Radar Screamer to New Zealand is $21.50.

You can also determine shipping costs for any combination of items on our
website. Simply load the shopping cart with the items you think you may
purchase. Then go to the shopping cart screen and select "Air Mail Foreign"
for the shipping and handling method. The shipping cost for New Zealand
will be calculated and will show up on the shopping cart screen.

Regards,
Larry
www.MotorcycleRadar.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul W [mailto:paul@I'mNotPostingMyEmailAddress.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 6:50 PM
To: sjlproducts@ix.netcom.com
Subject: freight costs etc


Hi guys,
Can you give me some idea of how freight would be for a screamer (to
fit an excort) to New Zealand

Thanks

Paul.

[Gizzit]

Just a "heads up" for those wishing to buy a Screamer ..... you do need to buy the right Screamer for your detector. I know that the Bell STI (Bell XR) has a special model just for it. Check you are getting the right one for your detector.