Top road cop wants less fines, more demerits

[Grub]

For those who have been bleating for years that cops only write tickets because its a revenue-grab. Suck it up.

NZPA | Wednesday, 26 September 2007

The top road policeman for the Southern region is calling for infringement fines to be reduced and the demerit point system beefed up.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4215494a11.html

[NZsarge]

For those who have been bleating for years that cops only write tickets because its a revenue-grab. Suck it up.

NZPA | Wednesday, 26 September 2007

The top road policeman for the Southern region is calling for infringement fines to be reduced and the demerit point system beefed up.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4215494a11.html

:doh::Oops:time to buy a cruiser....

[Coldrider]

So the fix for a problem is creating another problem.
Says young people can incur $1600 fines in a weekend, fine collecting too difficult due to the incentives of police to issue tickets.
So if lots more demerit points, then lots more disqualified licences on the road, how are they going to control that, with dimished income.
Rich people can afford fines, are we all suppose to be treated equal under the law.

[PirateJafa]

The top road policeman for the Southern region

Scumdog, what the heck do you think you are doin'? ;)

[Hitcher]

The top road policeman for the Southern region is calling for infringement fines to be reduced and the demerit point system beefed up.

A guy that smart probably needs a map to find his arse. The Peter Principle at work. Sigh.

[Coldrider]

A guy that smart probably needs a map to find his arse. The Peter Principle at work. Sigh.
Yes, straight to the top as per Assistant Commissioner, probably get a slightly used red commodore SV6.

[The Pastor]

I think our demerit system is tough enough to stand up on its own with no fines at all.

Shit i got 100 demerits with in a forghtnight - 1 speeding ticket and 2 "being on the 1000 on my R licnecen"


owies!

[BMW]

So the fix for a problem is creating another problem.
Says young people can incur $1600 fines in a weekend, fine collecting too difficult due to the incentives of police to issue tickets.
So if lots more demerit points, then lots more disqualified licences on the road, how are they going to control that, with dimished income.
Rich people can afford fines, are we all suppose to be treated equal under the law.

Agreed. there are enough people driving around with no REGO and WOF and licence at the moment.

Someone should look at why there are people owing so much! Not making more problems!!

[Max Preload]

Hey! This isn't fair! I can afford to pay speeding tickets, but I can't afford to be without my license! :baby:

[tri boy]

Raise the open road speed limit to 110kph. I think that may settle things a bit.
the habitual high speed demon drivers will continue to behave that way,(throw the book at them), but legislation should cut Joe public a bit of slack.
It's not the Rozza's fault, they're just doing what they're told.
My main concern is with the escalation of heavy axle weights on roads that can't cope with it. Road classing in relation to axle weights needs serious consideration due to the fact that heavy transport is expected to increase by %60 in 8-10 yrs, while rail is only expected to grow by %20.
A bit off topic, but safety wise, its relavent.

[vifferman]

Reckon it is.

I was following a mufti Falcadore this morning, and it drove me mad. The numberplate was EAT506, and I SO wished I could write "Donuts" next to the plate.
Yeah, I know - it's not funny. :spanking:
I'll just go back to work...

[rphenix]

Raise the open road speed limit to 110kph. I think that road classing in relation to axle weights needs serious consideration due to the fact that heavy transport is expected to increase by %60 in 8-10 yrs, while rail is only expected to grow by %20.
A bit off topic, but safety wise, its relavent.

Hell yeah no offense to truckies but man they screw the roads up especially ones with a poor foundation (ie no limestone base).... Only gotta look at what the trucks do to the kai-mais etc.. after its rained heavily...

As for speed limits I always get annoyed at that speed kills yes it does but so does being a jerk driver certainly dont see enough people who are driving like tards getting pulled over, cars who drive in transit lanes with only one occupant, turn left into a two lane road on the right hand side, all those kind of rules nobody gets done for.

Maybe if they are so worried about people being able to afford 1600 dollar fines they should give that person some community work I dunno but raising the demerit points isnt the way especially while policy are on incentives/performance bonuses.

[Coldrider]

I have a feeling that the transport industry pays it's fair share off taxes, RUCs, road distance users etc to build proper roads to accommmodate them.

However Transit NZ only gets budgets to build cheap shit roads, the transport levies going into the general consolidated fund, siphoned off for less productive expenditure. Ask a trucky how much he pays to various govt depts taxes etc.

[idb]

Soooo...more people lose their licences and more people lost their jobs...
That's one way of forcing the wage rates down I suppose...the Business Roundtable should be well pleased with that proposal.

[Ocean1]

I have a feeling that the transport industry pays it's fair share off taxes, RUCs, road distance users etc to build proper roads to accommmodate them.

However Transit NZ only gets budgets to build cheap shit roads, the transport levies going into the general consolidated fund, siphoned off for less productive expenditure. Ask a trucky how much he pays to various govt depts taxes etc.

Largely correct. Used to know what percentage of fuel tax went to roading but I've forgotten. It ain't a lot.

[peasea]

Raise the open road speed limit to 110kph. I think that may settle things a bit.
the habitual high speed demon drivers will continue to behave that way,(throw the book at them), but legislation should cut Joe public a bit of slack.
It's not the Rozza's fault, they're just doing what they're told.
My main concern is with the escalation of heavy axle weights on roads that can't cope with it. Road classing in relation to axle weights needs serious consideration due to the fact that heavy transport is expected to increase by %60 in 8-10 yrs, while rail is only expected to grow by %20.
A bit off topic, but safety wise, its relavent.

So, who's written to the powers that be suggesting the 110kph limit?

[Swoop]

Yeah, I know - it's not funny. :spanking:
But it is!! :rofl:

I always get annoyed at that speed kills yes it does...
No it doesn't. It is the sudden stop that does the damage. This is caused by the poor standards of kiwi drivers and the shit roads.
If you honestly believe that speed kills:
#1, why haven't all motorsports been banned?
#2, why has the speed limit not been lowered to 1kph?
#3, you have obviously been brainwashed by the gubbinment propaganda.

[tri boy]

So, who's written to the powers that be suggesting the 110kph limit?

Guess it's now on my "to do" list.

[avgas]

i still think that prison time for repeat offenders would sort a few out.

[avgas]

No it doesn't. It is the sudden stop that does the damage.
I hear what your saying, but its harder to sudden stop if ya aint moving fast.

[bell]

We should do what the aussies do and have "double demerit point" weekends.. that is , long weekends etc, and Xmas. The money fine doesnt change but it is effective in reducing road toll etc, cos even the richies take heed.

And these measures coming soon/already in place:
* Double demerit points for repeat speed offenders (more than 20km/h over for a second time within 12 months - that ticket, and subsequent ones, have double demerits)
* Vehicle impoundment and alcohol ignition interlocks for repeat drink drivers
* Higher demerit points/fines for fatigue related heavy vehicle offences
* $175 for following too closely (Traditionally never enforced unless it contributed to an accident).
* Power restrictions for learner car drivers - different lengths of time for different ages, no V8s, turbo/supercharged except diesels, less than 200kW output....heaps of restrictions. Depending on when you get your licence you could be on these restrictions until your 25th birthday.

I think they're yet to approve the "3 strikes and we'll crush it" rules that Vic and NSW have in place.

Cyclists are not let off the hook for breaking the law either. They've included a "Bicycle rider following too closely" offence! $50 fine. Bet they'll catch heaps! Yeah right.

Must remember to get a copy of the "new Qld road rules" book before going back to Oz for Christmas...the Labour government over there have been legislating like it's a new trend.

[Renegade]

if it wasnt full of aussies i might move there, some of those rules just make sense at getting the crap off the roads

[jafar]

He said it was due to the increased volume of fines, with police officers getting `incentives to write out traffic tickets.

:Police: No we don't have quota's :pinch:
Obviously someone forgot to tell their "TOP COP" :doh:

[Coldrider]

He said it was due to the increased volume of fines, with police officers getting `incentives to write out traffic tickets.

:Police: No we don't have quota's :pinch:
Obviously someone forgot to tell their "TOP COP" :doh:
Someone posted on another thread that the 'quota' was to issue safety related tickets numbers, but expected about third of the income.
So the TOP COP is confused, or running a one horse town.

[Puddlejumper]

Oh please no no no. It is already too easy to get demerits. Just recently got demerits for doing 110km on open road. Travelling perfectly safely and with regard for the conditions. Fine - just $30 but the demerits hurt. Most of us are all too aware that speed itself is not the problem. Stupid driving is the problem at any speed.
And please can the cops start giving some sort of tickets to the hundreds of cagers I see in the city every day chattering into their cellphones and not noticing me on my very quiet bike.