Police shoot and kill another person

[Patrick]

"Blindly sniffing whatever dogs arse the media offers without investigating the truth yourself will always result in ignorance and stupidity." (Idles acceptance speech in his flame warrior thingy whatsit...)

The media offers the one and only one eyed neighbour mate in this saga and he is gospel to you... then you make such a grand acceptance speech.

I rest my case. Funny shit. The last word is donut...

[idleidolidyll]

I see the investigation into Police Group Think was spun by Greg O'Connor as some kind of vindication for the way cops act.

That one just goes to show what a bullshitter O'Connor (and his sycophants) are.

The report was scathing of Police investigating Police and particularly noted more than a hundred accusations of sexual abuse against Police that were NOT investigated by Police.

Now that reminds me of Patricks whine about only 4 cases ever being bought against the cops or some other bullshit.

Of course there's only been a few cases: cops look after cops regardless of the facts of the accusations.

[idleidolidyll]

If you can be arsed, have a look at his posts recently, he was away for a bit :banana: then came back. You will find an early returning one that says, he will even spout crap he does not believe to get a discussion going..... :tugger:

Fortunately I wont see his reply to my post.

Run away, the bogie man's here.......rotflmfao!

Sure, I'll play devils advocate. Debate is healthy and countering bullshit is what I enjoy the most. There's PLENTY of bullshit coming from the cops here; you only have to look at how similar it all is to see it's PR Spin and they're just 5regurgitating O'Connors crapola.

Of course the fact that I'm happy to play devils advocate doesn't mean any of my arguments are unsound but I wouldn't expect mom to let facts cloud his opinions with reason.

HOWEVER: On this thread, I stand by every post I've made as I do on the political one. The devils advocate posts are on less serious threads.

[SPman]

Sure, I'll play devils advocate. Debate is healthy and countering bullshit is what I enjoy the most. There's PLENTY of bullshit coming from the cops here; you only have to look at how similar it all is to see it's PR Spin and they're just regurgitating O'Connors crapola.
.
A bit like Vampires running from the light, denying there is a sun.........

[idleidolidyll]

A bit like Vampires running from the light, denying there is a sun.........

Patrick and Scumdog aped O'Connors bullshit spin is that cops have only been bad guys 4 times or some such crap. Of course that's because cops investigate cops and cover up for each other. On the other hand, the actual number of complaints covered up is far far larger and even though O'Connor tries to whitewash it, the investigation finds hundreds of complaints that should have been investigated by an impartial agency.
So too bad for them, the report by Dame Margaret Beazley slammed them for their groupthink and their coverup of so much complaint:

From scoop.co.nz:
DISGRACEFUL: Commissioner Dame Margaret Bazley's long awaited Commission of Inquiry into police conduct has been released and uncovered hundreds of sex complaints against officers. The inquiry discovered 313 complaints of sexual assault against 222 police officers between 1979 and 2005.

Here's a link to the report:
http://www.cipc.govt.nz/

[idleidolidyll]

This is Greg O'Connors Spin bullshit on the Commission of Inquiry (you can see the number 4 that O'Connors mouthpiece here likes to quote and just what a pile of garbage that actually is):

When Dame Margaret Bazley released her report on police conduct just five months ago she expressed real doubts about whether the force could sustain the necessary impetus to change its culture. Judging by the defensive speech from Police Association president Greg O'Connor this week she was right to be concerned.
"Lay off the police" was the nub of his message when he opened the association's annual conference, arguing that they were being criticised too much and too unfairly and that this was harming their effectiveness.
"In the past, criticisms that we knew had no real substance would have been shrugged off. Now no one wants to do that 'just in case'," he said. "We're too quick to put police on trial time after time, 'just to be on the safe side,' and all the while oblivious of the damage we're doing."
To blame were the usual suspects - media, politicians and an ill-informed public.



he went on to make a few absurd statements of his own that suggest he is in a state of denial over some of the real problems identified by police critics. For instance, he characterised Dame Margaret's report as being "as close to a clean bill of health as you can get".
He said the commission of inquiry had looked at 25 years of police history and re-examined 400 cases but come up with only four in which proper investigation did not take place.



This came from reading the actual report and he blamed media reporting for creating a contrary impression. Yet he ignored the report's findings that there were 141 sexual assault complaints with sufficient evidence to lay criminal charges or take disciplinary action.
This is hardly the clean bill of health that Mr O'Connor claims and if the point must be emphasised you need only refer to Dame Margaret's 60 recommendations to change the police culture, including annual audits to make sure that a state of denial is not allowed to prevail.


Editorial from NZ Herald.

[idleidolidyll]

Report of the Commission of Inquiry into Police Conduct

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Download whole report:
Volume 1 (http://www.cipc.govt.nz/cipc.nsf/Files/CIPCVol1/$file/CIPCVol1.pdf) (1.3mb)*
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[idleidolidyll]

"Blindly sniffing whatever dogs arse the media offers without investigating the truth yourself will always result in ignorance and stupidity." (Idles acceptance speech in his flame warrior thingy whatsit...)

The media offers the one and only one eyed neighbour mate in this saga and he is gospel to you... then you make such a grand acceptance speech.

I rest my case. Funny shit. The last word is donut...

Nope, unlike you I'm happy to offer the actual words of O'Connor and also the actual report by Dame Margaret Beazley.

It's interesting to hear you ape the O'Connor BULLSHIT about "only 4 cases" even though the report makes it quite clear that at least 150 sexual complaints were serious enough to have been investigated but weren't. Sexual complaints against cops is just one facet of course, there's much more and the smell of bullshit from O'Connor and his sycophants is almost overpowering.

[scumdog]

Is this a one man thread or something????:rolleyes::yawn::yawn::yawn::zzzz:


BTW could you locate the post of mine that you are quoting here?
"Patrick and Scumdog aped O'Connors bullshit spin is that cops have only been bad guys 4 times or some such crap."

I must have been drunk and raping at the time and can't remember posting it.

[idleidolidyll]

Is this a one man thread or something????:rolleyes::yawn::yawn::yawn::zzzz:


BTW could you locate the post of mine that you are quoting here?
"Patrick and Scumdog aped O'Connors bullshit spin is that cops have only been bad guys 4 times or some such crap."

I must have been drunk and raping at the time and can't remember posting it.

nothing to say about the actual content of the posts, the Inquiry into Police Conduct?

Of course not...............................O'Connor hasn't told you what else to say yet.

[idb]

re-procrastinationism

[scumdog]

nothing to say about the actual content of the posts, the Inquiry into Police Conduct?

Of course not...............................O'Connor hasn't told you what else to say yet.


No, - I asked you to show the post you extracted the words you attributed to me.

Non-sequetuers don't count sonny.

[idleidolidyll]

No, - I asked you to show the post you extracted the words you attributed to me.

Non-sequetuers don't count sonny.

sorry, i'm not interested in trolling back through piles of crap just to find one dump.

care to commment on the content or are you still in denial?

[scumdog]

sorry, i'm not interested in trolling back through piles of crap just to find one dump.

care to commment on the content or are you still in denial?

THAT's a pretty weak excuse - so you can't quote me at all can you?

Because I never wrote the words you accused me of.


STILL in denial?

Was I ever in denial?

Or is that just your spin on things - like the quote I brought up??

Next thing you'll be stepping into O'Conors shoes if what you say about him is true. (pffft!)

[idleidolidyll]

THAT's a pretty weak excuse - so you can't quote me at all can you?

Because I never wrote the words you accused me of.


STILL in denial?

Was I ever in denial?

Or is that just your spin on things - like the quote I brought up??

Next thing you'll be stepping into O'Conors shoes if what you say about him is true. (pffft!)

Nope, I really just can't be bothered trolling through piles of crap looking for one dump.

You however can do something decisive for a change: you could make an unequivocal statement either supporting O'Connors spin as aped by Patrick or you could support the Commission of Enquiry and the fact that it exposes serious problems in police conduct that need to be resolved but probably won't be because of Cop group think.

I won't hold my breath.

[scumdog]

support the Commission of Enquiry and the fact that it exposes serious problems in police conduct that need to be resolved but probably won't be because of Cop group think.

I won't hold my breath.

So in one breath you're suggesting I support the Commission of Enquiry (how I don't know) and in the next you're saying it's a waste of time supporting it?

Regardless, I'll carry on believing in what I see, if it gels with what the Commission of Enquiry comes up with ? - well and good.

If it matches what O'Connor says? same there.


I don't need anybody to tell me what's what - I find out for myself and I am not that narrow minded that I cannot see 'other' stuff.

Of course baiting you is just a fun thing - the hard bit for you is to figure out when I'm doing it.:msn-wink:

[idleidolidyll]

So in one breath you're suggesting I support the Commission of Enquiry (how I don't know) and in the next you're saying it's a waste of time supporting it?

Regardless, I'll carry on believing in what I see, if it gels with what the Commission of Enquiry comes up with ? - well and good.

If it matches what O'Connor says? same there.


I don't need anybody to tell me what's what - I find out for myself and I am not that narrow minded that I cannot see 'other' stuff.

Of course baiting you is just a fun thing - the hard bit for you is to figure out when I'm doing it.:msn-wink:

No scumdog, I never expected you to make any unequivocal statement; it's not your style and that's why i'm not holding my breath

[scumdog]

No scumdog, I never expected you to make any unequivocal statement; it's not your style and that's why i'm not holding my breath

Hell, don't let ME stop you from holding your breath!!

Reading between the lines it seems if I don't give you the answer you want - it's not the right answer.

Fair enough, just don't be surprised when a lot of my answers/comments ain't the 'right' ones, 'kay?

[idleidolidyll]

Hell, don't let ME stop you from holding your breath!!

Reading between the lines it seems if I don't give you the answer you want - it's not the right answer.

Fair enough, just don't be surprised when a lot of my answers/comments ain't the 'right' ones, 'kay?

no, i'd be happy enough just to see you answer on topic instead of avoiding the subject as you continue to do

[scumdog]

no, i'd be happy enough just to see you answer on topic instead of avoiding the subject as you continue to do

Pot-Kettle-Black.

You're funny.

[idleidolidyll]

Pot-Kettle-Black.

You're funny.

Really?

I posted quite a lot of valuable info on topic today and all you've done is avoid it.

I see no pot or kettle.

Got anything intelligent to offer on the boards topic?

[scumdog]

Really?

I posted quite a lot of valuable info on topic today and all you've done is avoid it.

I see no pot or kettle.

Got anything intelligent to offer on the boards topic?

I could post all manner of 'valuable info' on KB about the best load for using 165grn Lapua projectiles in a 308 or the advantages of advancing your cam timing 4 degrees on a 460 ford - they might not be on topic but hey, they will probably get as much response and feed-back as your valuable info is getting eh?

Is there a prerequisite that post on KB has to be intelligent? and by whose judgement? is it mandatory to reply to statements/comments? and if it is so you always have to agree to them? and does desk-thumping arm-waving make a post intelligent? and correct?

And why should I care - nobody else does.

Oh, so many questions and so little time.........

[Swoop]

I could post all manner of 'valuable info' on KB about the best load for using 165grn Lapua projectiles in a 308
You prefer the 165 over other weights? I prefer the 168 BTHP match myself.
What powder are you using?


Might as well use this thread for something useful.

[scumdog]

You prefer the 165 over other weights? I prefer the 168 BTHP match myself.
What powder are you using?


Might as well use this thread for something useful.

Sorry, can't tell you right now - I've used a few brands and my powder, primers etc is at my mates - he's got the fancy reloading press.

But those Lapuas seemed a bit 'iffy' in their performance at times - too much penetration and not enough expansion, giving Speers a go now.

[spudchucka]

i'm not interested in trolling

Bullshit. That's all you do.

[idb]

antidefenestrationism

[Hitcher]

antidefenestrationism

I so want to have your babies!

[Patrick]

Now that reminds me of Patricks whine about only 4 cases ever being bought against the cops or some other bullshit.


Nah... someone else said that, I saw it in the media somewhere, and the media speaks nothing but the truth. I am aware of more than 4... Is that red whine or white whine? I like red and white whine...


Blah blah blah... :zzzz:When Dame Margaret Bazley released her report on police conduct just five months ago she expressed real doubts about whether the force could sustain the necessary impetus to change its culture. Blah blah blah...:zzzz:


Who is Dame Margaret Bazeley?


Nope, unlike you blah blah blah...:zzzz:


Is this a one man thread or something????:rolleyes::yawn::yawn::yawn::zzzz:

BTW could you locate the post of mine that you are quoting here?
"Patrick and Scumdog aped O'Connors bullshit spin is that cops have only been bad guys 4 times or some such crap."

I must have been drunk and raping at the time and can't remember posting it.

You would think it is a one mans thread... I was too busy hunting Porn and having sex with donuts to make such a ludicrous claim... I saw it in the media, it must be true.


I posted quite a lot of valuable info on topic today and all you've done is avoid it.

Got anything intelligent to offer on the boards topic?


What was the topic again????? Saw it in post 1, I believe....

Oh yeah, cop shot some sack of shit, cop lived, bad guy is dead and the discussion wnet on from there, but you didn't like what was said. Boo hoo.....

Start another thread about the Bazeley Report...:Offtopic:

I haven't raped anyone, so I am not included in that report....

[scumdog]

Hmm, I notice idle X 3 has not been too forthcoming on the ins and outs of HIS occupation - some unsavoury issues????

Or just too perfect for comment??

[idb]

Hmm, I notice idle X 3 has not been too forthcoming on the ins and outs of HIS occupation - some unsavoury issues????

Or just too perfect for comment??

Why all the questions...are you a policeman or something???

[scumdog]

Why all the questions...are you a policeman or something???


Who wants to know? - are YOU a policeman -----or something????

[Pussy]

Hey Patrick, if you can find some spare time, what with all the rooting and shooting, we should go for a blat sometime

[pritch]

Patrick has been know to put in the occasional appearance, as his busy schedule permits :sherlock:

[idleidolidyll]

Start another thread about the Bazeley Report...:Offtopic:



Off topic?

Nope, Dame Margaret Beazley's report goes straight to the heart of the fucked up police mentality, group think and propaganda and is perhaps the MOST valid information posted on this thread about the way cops act and their belligerence and ignorance.

[idleidolidyll]

It seems I really hit the nerve yesterday. The Dame Margaret Beazley inquiry into police conduct slams police mentality and behaviour and both patrick and scumdog are doing everything BUT address that damning report (whitewashed of course by Greg O'Connor propaganda as parroted by patrick).

The report investigates more than just the hundreds of sexual misconduct accusations against police that should have been investigated but were not because cops investigate cops; it also examines cop actions in general and the mentality of the police in NZ.

I understand of course why the cops here are afraid to discuss it; they have no defence except to ape O'Connors propaganda and even they are smart enough to know that such regurgitation would be as transparent as air.

Cuttingly and borne out by subsequent events, the report casts doubt on the police force's willingness to address their group think and the issues the report raises. Yes, the head of police made a grand speech when the report was released but as noted by the media, that's about all the action taken.

Hmmm, given that the cops refuse to address it and watching them avoid at all costs, it seems worthwhile to start posting extracts from the report for discussion.

[idb]

I so want to have your babies!

I wish I could come up with a reply to that!!!

How about;
"Alas, but for the twin tyrannies of distance and evolution...!"

or

"Ummm...maybe there's something I should tell you about myself"

[idb]

...............

Hmmm, given that the cops refuse to address it and watching them avoid at all costs, it seems worthwhile to start posting extracts from the report for discussion.

Umm...umm..."trimonofrangibility...I said trimonofrangibility for God's sake nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[scumdog]

Off topic?

The heart of the fucked up police mentality, group think and propaganda and is perhaps the MOST valid information posted on this thread about the way cops act and their belligerence and ignorance.

(In Maxwell Smart voice)
"And loving it!"

[Hitcher]

trimonofrangibility...

Oh. My. God. I am so hot for you now.

[peasea]

Hmm, I notice idle X 3 has not been too forthcoming on the ins and outs of HIS occupation - some unsavoury issues????

Or just too perfect for comment??

"Unsavoury issues"????
Nah, he's no cop.

[scumdog]

"Unsavoury issues"????
Nah, he's no cop.

Yeah, I know what ya mean - I have to deal with a lot of 'unsavoury details.:msn-wink:

But doesn't make me want to hide what my job is.

[Hitcher]

If I sent them a list, could the Police please go and shoot some more people. Please.

[spudchucka]

If I sent them a list, could the Police please go and shoot some more people. Please.

The Right Honourable Mr Mallard is taking orders now for his new career as a hit man. Send him the list.

[Edbear]

The Right Honourable Mr Mallard is taking orders now for his new career as a hit man. Send him the list.



He'll apologise afterwards, though...

[davereid]

The Right Honourable Mr Mallard is taking orders now for his new career as a hit man. Send him the list.

He's a socialist.

Violence comes naturally to them.

If they didn't take money and resources off people by using force, then they would be taking them by agreement.

And you know what an exchange of goods and services by agreement is. Yep, capitalisism.

So to be a socialwhatsit, you HAVE to be violent. Cos thats what defines you.

[spudchucka]

He's a socialist.

Violence comes naturally to them.

If they didn't take money and resources off people by using force, then they would be taking them by agreement.

And you know what an exchange of goods and services by agreement is. Yep, capitalisism.

So to be a socialwhatsit, you HAVE to be violent. Cos thats what defines you.

You're going to wind up that Ix3 clown with statements like that, makes sense to me though.

[davereid]

Yeah, socialisism confuses me, but I'm a simple engineer.

Seems a cop defending himself with a taser or firearm is a bad man. Even if the other fella is stoned on P, 8 ft tall and a complete arsehole.

But they will send the same cop, to make sure I pay my tax, cos its democratic. So then he is a good man, and I am a bad man for not wanting to pay my tax.

Shit, I may be getting sympathetic with the cops !

Easy fixed by the socialist - just instruct the cops to prosecute the hell out of Joe Citizen if he trys to defend himself !

It makes good sense. Violence is bad. Except, it is OK if you are a socialist, cos you are going to take the money by force, but use it wisely, for good things .

Then, give some of the money you have stolen, back, call it family support, or tax relief ! (Gee we are so nice us socialists.)

But some people won't be dependent on the state just yet. Shit they may even consider they have the right to resist all the violence.

So get the police to prosecute them if they defend themselves. Job done !

Police are hated, state has full control, you need to apply and qualify for tax relief just to survive - Instant Slave, who thinks he is free.

Why didnt Ginghis Ghan think of it !

[scumdog]

It makes good sense. Violence is bad. Except, it is OK if you are a socialist, cos you are going to take the money by force, but use it wisely, for good things .

Then, give some of the money you have stolen, back, call it family support, or tax relief ! (Gee we are so nice us socialists.)

But some people won't be dependent on the state just yet. Shit they may even consider they have the right to resist all the violence.

So get the police to prosecute them if they defend themselves. Job done !

Police are hated, state has full control, you need to apply and qualify for tax relief just to survive - Instant Slave, who thinks he is free.

Why didnt Ginghis Ghan think of it !

Cos they didn't have Tazers and Glocks back then.:msn-wink:

[Finn]

Yeah, socialisism confuses me, but I'm a simple engineer.

There is no such thing as a simple engineer, just a logical one.

Edit: Fuck, did I just say something serious? I must be ovulating.

[Finn]

Cos they didn't have Tazers and Glocks back then.:msn-wink:

Ahhh, the good ol days of policing when condoms where standard issue with batons...

(That was a joke tiger)

[Patrick]

Hey Patrick, if you can find some spare time, what with all the rooting and shooting, we should go for a blat sometime

Only if you supply the donuts and Porn, coz I aint allowed to surf for any, any more....


Patrick has been know to put in the occasional appearance, as his busy schedule permits :sherlock:

Where you been lately??

[Patrick]

Off topic?

Nope, Dame Margaret Beazley's report goes straight to the heart of the fucked up police mentality, group think and propaganda and is perhaps the MOST valid information posted on this thread about the way cops act and their belligerence and ignorance.

Good cop shoots bad man, good cop lives, bad guy dead. Yep, I'm f#@ked up.....

Bad guy wants to kill me, I will stop him. Yep, I'm really belligerant and ignorant for that.....



It seems I really hit the nerve yesterday.

Nah... it was only the funny bone...

The Dame Margaret Beazley inquiry into police conduct slams police mentality and behaviour and both patrick and scumdog are doing everything BUT address that damning report (whitewashed of course by Greg O'Connor propaganda as parroted by patrick).

Really? Where did I do that?

I understand of course why the cops here are afraid to discuss it; they have no defence except to ape O'Connors propaganda and even they are smart enough to know that such regurgitation would be as transparent as air.

Good to see you have made up your mind so early on then... What would be the point? Clearly wasting time....

Hmmm, given that the cops refuse to address it and watching them avoid at all costs, it seems worthwhile to start posting extracts from the report for discussion.

It is there for all to see... take whatever you want to from it, as I have. There wasn't anything much in there for me at all....

Last word isn't donut then?

[Patrick]

HEY....

What happened to my posts????

Last time I looked I had over 2300... now only showing 940 odd... And the blingy flashy crosses, one each for every 1000, has gone too???????

[James Deuce]

Why didnt Ginghis Ghan think of it !

Is he the Ginger ruler of Central Asia and Eastern Europe who was strangled with a cord made from his own Ginger pubes, Ginger pubes hand collected by the many women he slept with and infused with his Ginger gene, thereby eventually creating the current crop of angry Ginger Socialists running Councils the country over?

[spudchucka]

HEY....

What happened to my posts????

Last time I looked I had over 2300... now only showing 940 odd... And the blingy flashy crosses, one each for every 1000, has gone too???????

They changed the rules on ya bro, all the piss take posts in the joke sections don't count any more. Sort of like how warnings for traffic offences went by the way side too. There's a thread on it some where but I can't be arsed finding it to post the thread link.

[peasea]

They changed the rules on ya bro, all the piss take posts in the joke sections don't count any more. Sort of like how warnings for traffic offences went by the way side too. There's a thread on it some where but I can't be arsed finding it to post the thread link.

Possibly the mods have finally realised that anything cops say is b/s and doesn't even deserve to be in pd.

Brill.

[scumdog]

Possibly the mods have finally realised that anything cops say is b/s and doesn't even deserve to be in pd.

Brill.


So the Mods figured out that only COPS posted on p/d or Rant or Rave eh?

Boy, are Mods dumb or what, won't they be SO embarassed when they find out they got it wrong !!

[peasea]

So the Mods figured out that only COPS posted on p/d or Rant or Rave eh?

Boy, are Mods dumb or what, won't they be SO embarassed when they find out they got it wrong !!

You're so holy you should be a priest.
Oh no, hang on, you're a cop, that's way holier.

[scumdog]

You're so holy you should be a priest.
Oh no, hang on, you're a cop, that's way holier.


I think I'll leave holy' out of my resume', it sounds painful.

[peasea]

I think I'll leave holy' out of my resume', it sounds painful.

'Rings' true?

[scumdog]

'Rings' true?

Haven't looked lately - gets itchy at times though.....

[peasea]

Haven't looked lately - gets itchy at times though.....

That'll be the bullshit, get it cleaned out.

[spudchucka]

Possibly the mods have finally realised that anything cops say is b/s and doesn't even deserve to be in pd.

Brill.

Your posts went down to 600 something, ya BS artist. They should have a special formula that works in reverse for the majority of the crap you post.

[scumdog]

Your posts went down to 600 something, ya BS artist. They should have a special formula that works in reverse for the majority of the crap you post.

My,my you're cruel S.c, I noticed but never wished to comment..

[peasea]

Your posts went down to 600 something, ya BS artist. They should have a special formula that works in reverse for the majority of the crap you post.

I'm bored, what can I say?
Thanks for the bite.

[spudchucka]

I'm bored, what can I say?
Thanks for the bite.

You are a sad sad man.

[spudchucka]

Thread dredge:

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/3593.html

Sounds like another cover up.:whistle:

[boomer]

Thread dredge:

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/3593.html

Sounds like another cover up.:whistle:

Sounds to me like every one was on drugs.. either that or it was a Quentin Tarantino film..??



There were a total of twenty witnesses who saw or heard the confrontation between Mr Bellingham and the Officer.


Many of the witnesses indicated that Mr Bellingham was holding a hammer in an aggressive manner, either single-handedly or with both and walking toward the Officer.
A small number of witnesses indicated that Mr Bellingham did not have the hammer raised in an aggressive fashion and others did not see Mr Bellingham holding a hammer or advancing on the officer but did hear the shots and saw the aftermath.

[Edbear]

I'm somewhat surprised this thread is still alive! Or is it a means to get everyone's post counts back up again...?

[Hitcher]

It's in R&R. Posts here contribute not a jot to people's post counts. Knock yourselves out!