The smell of bacon is fresh...

[Disco Dan]

Woah.. what a night...

speeding... (was overtaking a lone cage) on my way home from work tonight. See a bikey cop coming the other way... I go around the corner and he's right behind me... flashing away!

oh crap... pull over:

no reg
no wof
restricted license
1100cc monster bike
after license curfew
...oh and speeding.

I thought I was walking.....


after a short slap on the wrist he pats my bike on the tank and "ride safe on your way home... to the speed limit eh?" ...hopps on his bike and rides off!

...sitting there *gobsmacked* :gob::gob::gob::gob:

I should have been walking.

Just got home and im cooking some bacon and having a strong drink. :yes::yes::yes:

Far out... so FARKING LUCKY.

The weird thing was though... I was so well behaved on the remainder of my trip home.... :scooter:

...dam those police bikes move quick!!!!! :whistle:

[Kittyhawk]

Disko disko disko Cant tpye toniht so will edit this psot when Im awake in the morning. But i have noticed this...tisk tisk...

[Disco Dan]

Respect to the bloke though - Tomorrow morning the bike was booked into get a WOF and pay day today meant REG too. No excuse though - I should not have let them lapse at all.

[sAsLEX]

Respect to the bloke though - Tomorrow morning the bike was booked into get a WOF and pay day today meant REG too. No excuse though - I should not have let them lapse at all.

And if you had of been ticketed you could of afforded neither and would of continued riding without......

Effective policing that!

[Mikkel]

Yeah, there's rumours that there are good guys in blue out there.
Tsk tsk, not that you weren't asking for trouble though :)

Ride safe.

[scumdog]

And if you had of been ticketed you could of afforded neither and would of continued riding without......!

But oh, what a great KB rant it would have made....:jerry:

[jrandom]

You're riding the ZZR on a restricted licence?

:pinch:

What about insurance?

:confused:

[Jizah]

Wow, you must be great in the sack.

[sAsLEX]

What about insurance?

:confused:

Thats for all those people with no personal responsibility............ or correct licenses

[DougieNZ]

Unbelievable the attitude of some...

So YOU are the reason my insurance premiums are so high?

What if you smashed in to someone and written them or their vehicle off? Their bad luck I suppose?

The cop should have written you up AND made you walk.

It's called personal responsibility. The sooner compulsary insurance comes in the better!

[lb99]

Thats for all those people with no personal responsibility............

does that mean that you have enough cash in storage to cover anything you might hit? what if you t bone a ferarri f60? :Pokey:

well done, that was lucky, but you will get pulled again, do they snap you for $400 for each breach?

I do know that 121 + no reg + no wof = $670 + some points and no rally for mr lb99.

be careful

Kawaski rule the earth

[Coyote]

So YOU are the reason my insurance premiums are so high?

Haha, I love this line

No it isn't, it's investors wanting as much as possible. Electricity prices are constantly on the rise, but it's not like someone blew up a dam is it?


Disco, you fecking larky bastard

[Blackbird]

Far out... so FARKING LUCKY.



You were lucky. He should have thrown the book at you. You'd probably be the first to complain if you'd been hit by an uninsured driver. I think the point has been made already - you're just a loser.

[ynot slow]

Ride to your LICENSE conditions,if ya aint got one,get off ya arse and get one.

[NighthawkNZ]

:corn: I would rather be reading the raving mad thread... :corn:

[DougieNZ]

Haha, I love this line

No it isn't, it's investors wanting as much as possible. Electricity prices are constantly on the rise, but it's not like someone blew up a dam is it?


Disco, you fecking larky bastard

So you don't reckon that uninsured riders/drivers smashing in to vehicles and not paying a cent for repairs has anything to do with it?

[Maha]

Wow, you must be great in the sack.


Bet he sticks to the speed limit in there.....:lol:

[idb]

Notice how much more boring it is when someone actually praises a cop?

Surely there's something...were his boots shined...did he u-turn in a slightly dangerous place...?

[Grahameeboy]

Respect to the bloke though - Tomorrow morning the bike was booked into get a WOF and pay day today meant REG too. No excuse though - I should not have let them lapse at all.

But whats the point you are not allowed to ride it..."well officer, as you can see my rego is paid for, bike has a WOF.......can I go now"

[Coyote]

So you don't reckon that uninsured riders/drivers smashing in to vehicles and not paying a cent for repairs has anything to do with it?
Insurance companies don't care about people they aren't insuring, and those who don't have insurance get blamed by the other person's insurance company and have to pay (for instance, RG100 hit a car that was parked in the middle of the road around a blind corner on the rimutakas. Not his fault, but since he didn't have insurance he has to pay the car's insurance company $2000). So really uninsured drivers are lowering your premiums since they have to pay for the mess they've made. Who we should be concerned of is the people who buy new 1000's and bin them at the showroom door :p

[NighthawkNZ]

Notice how much more boring it is when someone actually praises a cop?


Yup I do... but its getting better...:baby:

[merv]

no reg
no wof
restricted license
1100cc monster bike
after license curfew
...oh and speeding.


Is there anything you are doing right in life?

[Grahameeboy]

Is there anything you are doing right in life?

Those are his good points

[Pumba]

:corn: I would rather be reading the raving mad thread... :corn:

Hey move over and pass the :corn: this has the potential to be good.

[sAsLEX]

So you don't reckon that uninsured riders/drivers smashing in to vehicles and not paying a cent for repairs has anything to do with it?

Did I say that I haven't paid for any accidents I have been involved in?


I think I mentioned Personal Responsibility that amazing thing lost from society these days, if I break it I will buy it per say.

I ride accordingly.

[MotoGirl]

That's pretty irresponsible :angry2: I've never even been given a warning for doing one thing wrong...

[marioc]

may I suggest a lotto ticket

[craigs288]

Unbelievable the attitude of some...
It's called personal responsibility.

Something a large portion of our society has no concept of. But no surprise when we have a parliament that leads by example. I intend to maintain my standards of integrity and personal responsibility marginally above the worst politician, on any given day. Lets all follow their example.

[DougieNZ]

Did I say that I haven't paid for any accidents I have been involved in?


I think I mentioned Personal Responsibility that amazing thing lost from society these days, if I break it I will buy it per say.

I ride accordingly.

I ride accordingly...

Lets see

NO WOF
NO REG
NO INSURANCE
NO APPROPRIATE LICENCE
SPEEDING

Can't afford to get a REG till next pay, but can afford to pay $100,000 to the people whose bikes/cars you write off??

Sorry pal, It's not adding up...


END OF STORY!

[DougieNZ]

Something a large portion of our society has no concept of. But no surprise when we have a parliament that leads by example. I intend to maintain my standards of integrity and personal responsibility marginally above the worst politician, on any given day. Lets all follow their example.

hhehehe Agreed. If we all acted like the pollys, there would be chaos!

[scracha]

So really uninsured drivers are lowering your premiums since they have to pay for the mess they've made. p

Your joking aren't you mate? Thanks to the pussy footing fuckin laws in this country you can't get the uninsured bastards to pay outl. Some uninsured twat hits you and you'll be the one out of pocket or claiming insurance in the majority of cases.

[Finn]

Sort your life out Disco Dan. Surely it can't be that much fun being an adult virgin?

[Swoop]

Did the cop run out of lines on his ticket, to keep writing offences?

[scracha]

Ahhhhh...17y/o and knows it all. I remember the days
They were different in black and white though.

[sprag]

Maybe the cop had no more tickets left in this ticket book or already made quote for the day,

But in saying that I think Disco Dan was in the wrong.

You should not be on the bike Dan.

[Jimmy B]

Sadly you’re not the only twat out there, but none the less, you are a twat and a dangerous one at that. Sort yourself out mate and do the time. “Cruise Missile” is a very apt description for you and your bike…. :eek5:

[jim.cox]

Notice how much more boring it is when someone actually praises a cop?

Surely there's something...were his boots shined...did he u-turn in a slightly dangerous place...?

Actually I would call this good policing

It has had the desired effect - by his own admission Disco is now being more careful.

And the world is a better and safer place :)

Although the cynic in me iays its 'cos the copper didnt have a fix and couldn't prove the speed...

[sunhuntin]

Your joking aren't you mate? Thanks to the pussy footing fuckin laws in this country you can't get the uninsured bastards to pay outl. Some uninsured twat hits you and you'll be the one out of pocket or claiming insurance in the majority of cases.

yep... bitch hit me. no insurance for either of us [not worth is for an 86 gn250 that was more rust than bike] said shed pay for all damages. i ended up in a cast and out of work. she then refuses to pay, and the cops back HER up, saying it wouldnt be worth pursuing. i wish now id whacked her upside the head with my helmet like i wanted to.

[DougieNZ]

Actually I would call this good policing

It has had the desired effect - by his own admission Disco is now being more careful.

And the world is a better and safer place :)

Although the cynic in me iays its 'cos the copper didnt have a fix and couldn't prove the speed...

Yep, he's really learnt his lesson...

Still intends to ride the bike on a restricted licence........ And will remian uninsured doing so......

That is just giving the cop that showed some discretion the finger.... No wonder they don't do it.

The lesson has NOT been learnt.... The illegal behaviour continues. So that is the LAST time i will listen to the "let me off and I'll be a good boy/girl" argument...

[scumdog]

Yep, he's really learnt his lesson...

Still intends to ride the bike on a restricted licence........ And will remian uninsured doing so......

That is just giving the cop that showed some discretion the finger.... No wonder they don't do it.

The lesson has NOT been learnt.... The illegal behaviour continues. So that is the LAST time i will listen to the "let me off and I'll be a good boy/girl" argument...


DougieNZ kinda sums up my thoughts.

No mention of "shit, I'll get a reg and wof and a full licence asap" etc.

[idb]

My mistake...this is getting interesting.
Dan'll be wishing that he just kept his big mouth shut!!!

[DougieNZ]

To be fair he has said that he is sorting the reg and warrant this week.

However that doesn't change the fact that he shouldn't be riding an 1100cc bike on a restricted licence.

Action: Cop lets him off with a warning..
Result: Stuff YOU I'm going to keep riding...

Action: Cop impounds bike or makes him wait for 2hrs while a properly licenced rider turns up and also fines him $700.00
Result: Thinks twice about riding again (more fines), Slows down, bike in garage until fines paid off. Gets full licence...


Hmmmmmmm

[scumdog]

My mistake...this is getting interesting.
Dan'll be wishing that he just kept his big mouth shut!!!

And let's name&shame the slack-arse cop too!
$800 worth of tickets begging - and that's not counting the speeding one.:devil2:

[jim.cox]

However that doesn't change the fact that he shouldn't be riding an 1100cc bike on a restricted licence.


Having the skills and the experience is worth more in my book than a piece of paper

[jrandom]

Action: Cop impounds bike or makes him wait for 2hrs while a properly licenced rider turns up and also fines him $700.00
Result: Thinks twice about riding again (more fines), Slows down, bike in garage until fines paid off. Gets full licence...

Yup. I think most here would agree that that's what the cop should have done.

Sometimes guys need a smack upside the head (or two, or three) before they wake up and stop being idiots.

Disco, go get your full licence and an insurance policy, you twat. Why haven't you done that already? I'm sure there are plenty of folks here who'd lend you a 250 to take the test on. The money that cop saved you by not issuing any tickets will pay for your test and a full year's comprehensive insurance premium.

Get on w'it!

[jrandom]

Having the skills and the experience is worth more in my book than a piece of paper

Insurance, insurance, insurance. You never realise how important it is on a bike until you actually need it.

Edit: And if there's some reason why Disco can't sort a full licence right now, he should at least have the sense to shut his fool mouth in public about what he's doing. It's generally understood that if you're riding dirty, you don't want to give nobody no excuse to see you rolling and get with the hating and patrolling, you just do it quietly and sort it out as fast as possible.

[scumdog]

Insurance, insurance, insurance. You never realise how important it is on a bike until you actually need it.

Waste of breath - it's like me trying to tell 18 year olds to wear their seatbelt.

They must just KNOW they're never going to need the two above items.:rolleyes:

[Disco Dan]

Awww shucks... my very own 'flame' thread! So proud! :whistle:

When I told the officer I was able to apply for my license this month he told me, by writing me a ticket it would extend the license period.... good policing if you ask me, at least now i'll be 'legal' quicker.

[Disco Dan]

Hmm insurance? Yes I know, a tad irresponsible I admit.

But having a choice between "no bike - no transport" and "ZX1100 - with no insurance for a few months" ...I picked the bike.

Im sure many of you would have too!

Situation is very 'complicated' and I would rather not go into it on a public forum!

[Str8 Jacket]

Awww shucks... my very own 'flame' thread! So proud! :whistle:

When I told the officer I was able to apply for my license this month he told me, by writing me a ticket it would extend the license period.... good policing if you ask me, at least now i'll be 'legal' quicker.

At the end of the day, on KB, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you dont. If ya post a thread like this then you will get flamed!!! Good onya if you are planning to sort ya shit out, will save you alot of $$ for the next time you get pulled over!

[Disco Dan]

If you all knew the entire situation and the options I had to pick then you would all realise that I did indeed make the right decision. I wont explain myself - It only matters that I know that I made the right decision in my particular situation! !

[Magua]

Very lucky Disco. When can you get your full?

[Str8 Jacket]

If you all knew the entire situation and the options I had to pick then you would all realise that I did indeed make the right decision. I wont explain myself - It only matters that I know that I made the right decision in my particular situation! !

Dont worry about trying to explain yourself. Its your life mate! ;)

[jrandom]

Situation is very 'complicated' and I would rather not go into it on a public forum!

OK, fair enough, but you can't expect not to catch some heat for stating what you did in your first post!

Hope it all works out for you and nothing goes amiss while you're in this situation.

[Disco Dan]

Very lucky Disco. When can you get your full?

Right now actually.

The amount of threads i've seen of disqualified riders getting pulled days before they get their license back... ...the moment I am able to apply, and its like someone filled my pockets with truffles!

[Disco Dan]

Insurance, insurance, insurance. You never realise how important it is on a bike until you actually need it.

Edit: And if there's some reason why Disco can't sort a full licence right now, he should at least have the sense to shut his fool mouth in public about what he's doing. It's generally understood that if you're riding dirty, you don't want to give nobody no excuse to see you rolling and get with the hating and patrolling, you just do it quietly and sort it out as fast as possible.

If I had a financial means to ride within my license conditions then I would - but I dont. This bike is the only one that is available to me in my current 'situation' and as such is not excusing but rather the 'lesser of two evils'. ...the officer understood when I explained my complete situation - which is why he let me off. Believe me, you dont want to be in my situation!

[Jimmy B]

If you all knew the entire situation and the options I had to pick then you would all realise that I did indeed make the right decision. I wont explain myself - It only matters that I know that I made the right decision in my particular situation! !

But the option you took wasn’t really a legal option for you. The fact you saw it as one makes you a bigger mug. This is the first time I’ve flamed anyone, feels quite good. :Punk:

[Disco Dan]

I have certainly started thinking even more towards the "dont bring attention to myself" part now.

Still cant get over how quick those bikes can move!! What are they?

[Disco Dan]

But the option you took wasn’t really a legal option for you. The fact you saw it as one makes you a bigger mug. This is the first time I’ve flamed anyone, feels quite good. :Punk:

Neither options were 'legal' - I would much prefer a couple of tickets here and there with the possibility of a huge one (like last night) than the consequences of choosing the other option. The legalities around that were not vehicle related but much more serious and long term affecting - which is what I meant by the lesser of two evils! (pus I get to ride this gorgous beast of a bike around forever!)

[jrandom]

Believe me, you dont want to be in my situation!

I know what it's like to be in a very difficult position and to have to do things that are a little 'grey', trust me.

Just be careful, stay quiet about it, hope for the best and act as prudently as possible to resolve things as fast as you can.

[car]

I remember the days

Then you clearly weren't having enough fun.

[saltydog]

Disco, you fecking larky bastard[/QUOTE]

How is your disco pussy cat bro!! What a buzz for the eyes. Reminds me of a bad acid trip i took in the 70's!

[Jimmy B]

Neither options were 'legal' - I would much prefer a couple of tickets here and there with the possibility of a huge one (like last night) than the consequences of choosing the other option. The legalities around that were not vehicle related but much more serious and long term affecting - which is what I meant by the lesser of two evils! (pus I get to ride this gorgous beast of a bike around forever!)

Sorry Dan, not good enough. What’s going on in the rest of your life is your concern and I truly hope you can resolve it.

If my mate says to me, Geeze Andy tough time there dude, no transport, how would you like to borrow my truck for the next six months. You’ll get the hang of it… How’s that different?

My B/S radar tells me you took the most convenient option, to the best of my recollection there’s no universal law that states “All those with a first name starting with D are hereby entitled to eternal transport irrespective of circumstance”

[Str8 Jacket]

Its very easy to sit in judgement of other people with out really knowing what's going on.....

[jrandom]

My B/S radar tells me you took the most convenient option, to the best of my recollection there’s no universal law that states “All those with a first name starting with D are hereby entitled to eternal transport irrespective of circumstance”

You're quite correct. Shrug. I'm sure your point is taken. Fortunately, the world is not devoid of people with compassion.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Karma is a motherfucker, and no man is an island.

There, that's my entire week's cliché allocation used up in one post.

:)

[Tank]

If I had a financial means to ride within my license conditions then I would - but I dont.

This is where the problems come in - You are riding uninsured and you ride into the side of my car.

How do you expect to be able to pay for something like that if you cannot afford a small legal bike that you could have sold for near the same $$$ when you had your full??

Im sorry - but people who ride around like this piss me off - They know that getting the $$$ off them is like pissing in the wind but dont care. How would you feel if someone uninsured backed over your bike and fucked it totally?

They cannot pay - Dont tell me you would think that was fair and wouldnt come on here bleating about how crap it is.



This bike is the only one that is available to me in my current 'situation' and as such is not excusing but rather the 'lesser of two evils'. ...

You're using it as as an excuse tho'. You didnt have to buy a bike outside your licence terms. You could have used the $$$ for a legal bike. You can get a legal bike for 2/10ths of fuck all now - probally less than the cost of the fines you were up on last night.


Believe me, you dont want to be in my situation!

Sorry that there are problems that are making life hard - but seriously - riding like you were is only looking for more headaches.

[DMNTD]

Then you clearly weren't having enough fun.
Oh I was and still do, but fortunately Crime Watch archived the whole lot for me :buggerd:

[Jimmy B]

You're quite correct. Shrug. I'm sure your point is taken. Fortunately, the world is not devoid of people with compassion.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Karma is a motherfucker, and no man is an island.

There, that's my entire week's cliché allocation used up in one post.

:)


Are you saying I’ve got no compassion mate? Geeze if there’s 2 things I hate, it’s those people with no compassion and small defenceless animals with big brown eyes

[Disco Dan]

You didnt have to buy a bike outside your licence terms. You could have used the $$$ for a legal bike. You can get a legal bike for 2/10ths of fuck all now - probally less than the cost of the fines you were up on last night.



Sorry that there are problems that are making life hard - but seriously - riding like you were is only looking for more headaches.

When did I say that I "bought" the bike??? I do not legally own it - nor can I legally own it, even with license conditions aside.

As I said before my options were limited - either ZX11 for a few months on wrong license or no transport at all in any form (short of public) for close to three years. Fuck that.

[Swoop]

Still cant get over how quick those bikes can move!! What are they?
BMW's.

Trying to search for exact info on them and stumbled on this (http://www.police.govt.nz/news/tenone/20050916-277/feature_trainer.htm).

Interesting that there are only 30 bikes in :Police: hands.

[HungusMaximist]

BRO, you gotta be the luckiest man alive.

Yea you have your reasons but still LUCKY LUCKY LUKCY!

When your done Disco, can you like heal me and pass on some of your *lucky* karma to me and my uni motorcyclists?

[DougieNZ]

How would you feel if someone uninsured backed over your bike and fucked it totally? They cannot pay - Dont tell me you would think that was fair and wouldnt come on here bleating about how crap it is.

Bloody nice point!

You've got a nice bike there buddy. My advice, ride it LEGALLY once you have your full licence - and insurance! :eek:

THAT would be learning the lesson that the nice Mr Plod wants you to learn..:Police:

Karma works in several ways - and the next cop (or the same one) will not be letting you off next time. :confused:

I don't think any less of you as a person - in foact you are probably a good guy. But you ARE taking a big risk!

[FruitLooPs]

I have certainly started thinking even more towards the "dont bring attention to myself" part now.

Still cant get over how quick those bikes can move!! What are they?

Jeez you were lucky, but stop the speeding and get onta ya licence mate!

I've broken my conditions on a few occassions *ahem* but don't go making it obvious!


The bikes I believe are BMW K1200 series, ~170bhp. I guess the best thing you did that night was not go gunning it off into the night.. :2thumbsup Good on ya for that, pitty bout the rest hehe. :whistle:

[Disco Dan]

The bikes I believe are BMW K1200 series, ~170bhp. I guess the best thing you did that night was not go gunning it off into the night.. :2thumbsup Good on ya for that, pitty bout the rest hehe. :whistle:

It came up behind me pretty quick :whistle:

An extra 20 odd ponies over mine....

[Tank]

As I said before my options were limited - either ZX11 for a few months on wrong license or no transport at all in any form (short of public) for close to three years. Fuck that.

If you had access to the ZX11 from now you could have put it in storage and used public transport for the three months until you were legal.

Again the risk vs reward of riding uninsured is not worth it IMHO (esp if you cannot afford to pay for any damage to the other persons stuff)

There are always options - I lost my licence for 6 months and managed to cope on public transport etc. Its a pain but can be done - if you are willing to make the effort.

ps - Licence loss was due to medical reasons while they worked out what they thought was wrong with my eyes, not anything to do with my riding.

[jrandom]

I should note that insurance policies generally cannot be taken out over a vehicle unless its registered ownership is in the policy owner's name, so Disco will probably require a little assistance with a few things once he has his licence sorted. Along the lines of being a named rider on the 'owner's' policy, or getting an 'any licenced rider' policy in someone else's name, etc.

Do you have all this lined up yet, D?

[Disco Dan]

If you had access to the ZX11 from now you could have put it in storage and used public transport for the three months until you were legal.

Again the risk vs reward of riding uninsured is not worth it IMHO (esp if you cannot afford to pay for any damage to the other persons stuff)

There are always options - I lost my licence for 6 months and managed to cope on public transport etc. Its a pain but can be done - if you are willing to make the effort.

ps - Licence loss was due to medical reasons while they worked out what they thought was wrong with my eyes, not anything to do with my riding.

I understand what you are saying and even agree from one angle anyway.

However the 'line in the sand' is in different places for each person... I am prepared to take such a risk. Again if you was aware of the situation I am in I am sure you would do the same. FYI - if I had 'picked the bike' and not ridden it? Well it would have been on trademe a long time ago. Not an outcome I wanted.

[Disco Dan]

I should note that insurance policies generally cannot be taken out over a vehicle unless its registered ownership is in the policy owner's name, so Disco will probably require a little assistance with a few things once he has his licence sorted. Along the lines of being a named rider on the 'owner's' policy, or getting an 'any licenced rider' policy in someone else's name, etc.

Do you have all this lined up yet, D?

Oh yes, the paper work as been ready to get me on the insurance policy ever since I began riding the bike. I have even been paying the insurance premiums!!!

[Ixion]

If all riders on bikes larger than their licence conditions permit were banned, I'd see very few bikes on the road.




Still cant get over how quick those bikes can move!! What are they?

BMW R1200.



When I told the officer I was able to apply for my license this month he told me, by writing me a ticket it would extend the license period.... good policing if you ask me, at least now i'll be 'legal' quicker.

The ignorance of the plod never fails to astound me. A ticket does not affect the licence period, and that has not been the law for many years. Mr Plod is seriously out of date, though in this case it may have worked for you



(Insurance)
Waste of breath - it's like me trying to tell 18 year olds to wear their seatbelt.

They must just KNOW they're never going to need the two above items.


I've needed neither in near 50 years. Nor a helmet either.



Action: Cop impounds bike or makes him wait for 2hrs while a properly licenced rider turns up and also fines him $700.00



Yup. I think most here would agree that that's what the cop should have done.



On what grounds? Mr DD had committed no offence for which the law allows impoundment. He was not disqualified. Nor driving when forbidden. Nor could he be forbidden to drive. He holds a licence of the appropriate class. The 250 restriction is a conditionof the licence, not a different licence class Same as having to wear corrective lenses .Nor is Mr DD a recidivist drink driver. Nor from the sound of it was his speeding sufficient to justify a 28 day suspension. And even it was , the cop would have been hard pressed to establish it, since he was coming the other way and cop bikes do not have radar.

There appears to be a common misconception that the police may impound vehicles at will. They cannot. The law is quite clear about when this is permitted.

And I DO wish that Pommy import cops would make at least some effort to familiarise themselves with OUR laws, and accept that they are not always the same as those 'back home'.

As to the rego and WoF. It is easy for the weekend warriors whose motorcycling is restricted to fine Sundays to take a holier than thou position on such matters. Mr DD's bike is his only transport. He rides it every day.He cannot say "Oh my WoF has expired, I will not take the bike out" . Fitting in time for a WoF is not always such an easy matter.

[Disco Dan]

Anyhooo... im off to go put a WOF on the beast now.... :banana:

[Jimmy B]

If all riders on bikes larger than their licence conditions permit were banned, I'd see very few bikes on the road.



As to the rego and WoF. It is easy for the weekend warriors whose motorcycling is restricted to fine Sundays to take a holier than thou position on such matters. Mr DD's bike is his only transport. He rides it every day.He cannot say "Oh my WoF has expired, I will not take the bike out" . Fitting in time for a WoF is not always such an easy matter.


Ixion, they are banned but people still do it and we wonder why there are so many 1 bike fatals.

I rely on my bike as sole transport too, rain or shine. I make the time

[scumdog]

.

As to the rego and WoF. It is easy for the weekend warriors whose motorcycling is restricted to fine Sundays to take a holier than thou position on such matters. Mr DD's bike is his only transport. He rides it every day.He cannot say "Oh my WoF has expired, I will not take the bike out" . Fitting in time for a WoF is not always such an easy matter.

That's the walliest cop-out for not having a WOF - sure, we ALL run out of time but it's not like the WOF stays hidden until the last day and then pops up with a flag saying 'EXPIRED'.

However, I doubt too many people have got a ticket they have had to pay for if stiopped by a cop and the WOF is only 28 dyas or less out of date, they would likely get 'compliance' on it.

A bit like being on a restricted Licence and breaching the conditions of it in some way - again the cop (if he's nice and judging by KB that's not often) MAY give 'compliance' IF the person on their 'R' licence is all set to do their Full - and does it within 28 days.

[jrandom]

Ixion, they are banned but people still do it and we wonder why there are so many 1 bike fatals.

Is it really the case that a significant proportion of fatal single-bike crashes happen to people riding big bikes while still on their learner or restricted licence conditions?

Personally, I would not expect to see a statistically significant difference. If, say, 5% of the > 250cc bikes out there are being ridden by riders without full licences, I would simply expect to see 5% of the fatal single-vehicle crashes of > 250cc bikes involving such riders.

[jrandom]

... the cop (if he's nice and judging by KB that's not often) MAY give 'compliance' IF the person on their 'R' licence is all set to do their Full - and does it within 28 days.

In such situations, I would expect the cop to issue the relevant ticket, and then I would expect it to be waived upon application if the rider passed their test within a month. Seems fair to me, much like the tickets for WOF/rego that get waived upon showing that said WOF or rego was procured immediately thereafter.

[scumdog]

In such situations, I would expect the cop to issue the relevant ticket, and then I would expect it to be waived upon application if the rider passed their test within a month. Seems fair to me, much like the tickets for WOF/rego that get waived upon showing that said WOF or rego was procured immediately thereafter.

THAT is what I meant by 'compliance'

"Get your full licence within 28 days, present it and the ticket I've just given you at any cop-shop and they'll take the ticket off you and there's no penalty, d'ya understand?"

HOWEVER: Never count on compliance as a 'given' - it's up to the cop that's dealing with you whether you get it or not.
(And trust me, plenty of idiots have 'talked' their way out of getting compliance.)

[Jimmy B]

Is it really the case that a significant proportion of fatal single-bike crashes happen to people riding big bikes while still on their learner or restricted licence conditions?

Personally, I would not expect to see a statistically significant difference. If, say, 5% of the > 250cc bikes out there are being ridden by riders without full licences, I would simply expect to see 5% of the fatal single-vehicle crashes of > 250cc bikes involving such riders.

Look I dont know mate but it would be good to dig deeper. I suspect most people crap out in their first 12 months or 10,000k's, how many of these are fatals I dont know.

Intuitively a newish rider on what was once the world’s fastest production bike does not sit well with me, but then again I know shit. Each to their own aye

[Toast]

I'd have thought that after receiving such luck from a nice officer that you wouldn't want to post it on a public forum and open up the possibility of some narrow minded supervisor seeing it, getting pissed off, and then raising quotas so that the front line cops absolutely have to ticket unlawful but otherwise sensible and harmless drivers/riders. Nice one :niceone:

[jrandom]

Intuitively a newish rider on what was once the world’s fastest production bike does not sit well with me, but then again I know shit. Each to their own aye

Absolutely agreed. Disco seems to have the reputation of being a relatively safe, cautious and mature rider, though, so taking all things into consideration, it's not as bad as it could be.

There are certainly gentlemen on this forum riding on learner or restricted licences for whom being given the keys to a ZZR1100 would be tantamount to homicide.

[Astrocat]

Have you got the WOF and Rego yet?

[Tank]

I understand what you are saying and even agree from one angle anyway.

However the 'line in the sand' is in different places for each person... I am prepared to take such a risk. Again if you was aware of the situation I am in I am sure you would do the same. FYI - if I had 'picked the bike' and not ridden it? Well it would have been on trademe a long time ago. Not an outcome I wanted.

I think we can see where each other is coming from.:niceone:

Obv - I have no idea of your personal situation. It dosn't sound ideal and I hope that it works out for you soon.

[sunhuntin]

Is it really the case that a significant proportion of fatal single-bike crashes happen to people riding big bikes while still on their learner or restricted licence conditions?

Personally, I would not expect to see a statistically significant difference. If, say, 5% of the > 250cc bikes out there are being ridden by riders without full licences, I would simply expect to see 5% of the fatal single-vehicle crashes of > 250cc bikes involving such riders.

most of the one bike accidents ive read about all involve riders who have been out of the game for a few decades. they hit mid life crisis time, and then go and buy the biggest, bestest bike in the shop. many bin before they get to the end of the street. others bin before they are even off the lot.

i dont recall reading many bins involving kiwi riders on cc bikes too big for their license... in the states, where they can get their first stage and go and buy an 1100 sprotsbike, its a different story.

[Astrocat]

To all reading this. Yes Dan is going to be a named rider on the ZX, just as soon as he gets his arse into gear and gets the full licence. He can get it this month and is organising to get it as we speak. When i got the call last night to say what had happened, i admit that my heart missed a beat. But given his personal circumstances outside of the fact that he is on a bike bigger than his licence is concerned, ive no regrets laoning the bike to him. He is a good rider, and getting better. I have witnessed him going through the ropes of learning and improving his ability to ride. :bleh:

[Tank]

many bin before they get to the end of the street. others bin before they are even off the lot.

When I picked up the new bike last week, Holshots told me the exact same thing happens all the time and advised taking it easy on the new tyres.

Apparently some people just dont listen

[Astrocat]

In Dans favour, i have personally watched him go through the 250cc bikes and then the 400cc bikes and then the 600cc bikes for some time now, and although i dont condone the fact that he let the WOF and Rego laps, he is a good rider. :headbang:

Hey Dan, please dont let the f..ken wof and reg laps please. Next time the cops are going to make you walk, pay a very hefty fine, and maybe impound the bike for min 25days with a cost there too. What is the owner of the bike going to say then? How are you going to getr to work to pay the fines, rent, living costs? I hate to think what situation you would be in then. And because i know the owner very well, be aware of this......if the owners girlfriend gets wind of it, she will string you, and the owner up from the highest point.

:oi-grr:Its all downhill from there, and what about the money that you have put into it????????

[sunhuntin]

astro... having ridden as pillion with dan, i can vouch for him being a safe, competant rider. i would ride pillion with him again any day.

[jrandom]

in the states, where they can get their first stage and go and buy an 1100 sprotsbike, its a different story.

I bet!

You know, after five years of riding, I've done less than 5000km on litrebikes to date this year, and I managed to surprise myself with my corner entry speed a couple of times last weekend. Extra unplanned squeeze on the front brakes required before tip-in, etc.

I hate to think what a rank n00b would be like on a big bike first-out. It doesn't bear contemplating. "Wheeee, look at me, I have 140 horse powers! Yay! Whoosh, whoosh, neoooowwww! Oh, look, a corner, oh fuck shit bugger panic...", shortly followed by a notice in the local newspaper and his family hating motorcycles for the rest of their lives.

[sprag]

When did I say that I "bought" the bike??? I do not legally own it - nor can I legally own it, even with license conditions aside.

As I said before my options were limited - either ZX11 for a few months on wrong license or no transport at all in any form (short of public) for close to three years. Fuck that.

SO the law only applies when its convenient for you ?

I can tell you right now if you hit my car or bike and had no insurance I would be very pee'd off, sure my insurance would cover me but then I would have to pay the excess, my no claims bonus goes, and for your stuff up I have to pay.

Get off the bike until you get your full and use a bloody bus. that is what public transport is for, for people that cant drive/ride in the legal terms of there license or people without cars/bikes.

[Tank]

shortly followed by a notice in the local newspaper and his family hating motorcycles for the rest of their lives.

Dont dorget the biker down thread with 30 pages of RIP post

[Jimmy B]

To all reading this. Yes Dan is going to be a named rider on the ZX, just as soon as he gets his arse into gear and gets the full licence. He can get it this month and is organising to get it as we speak. When i got the call last night to say what had happened, i admit that my heart missed a beat. But given his personal circumstances outside of the fact that he is on a bike bigger than his licence is concerned, ive no regrets laoning the bike to him. He is a good rider, and getting better. I have witnessed him going through the ropes of learning and improving his ability to ride. :bleh:

You loaned it to him.. then you're a bigger tool than he is.

This flaming thing is starting to feel pretty good:niceone:

[Astrocat]

Haha, cant you come up with something more original than that. Like i said, ive no regrets loaning him the bike, even at my own risk. Yep accidents may happen, but then so did you. :bleh:

[Jimmy B]

Haha, cant you come up with something more original than that. Like i said, ive no regrets loaning him the bike, even at my own risk. Yep accidents may happen, but then so did you. :bleh:

So Disco bins, takes out someone with him and you loaned the bike to him. How do you feel smartarse?

[Astrocat]

Dan makes his owns decisions while riding. So your guilty trip shit wont work on me hahaha. He pays the consequence for his actions or inactions, whatever the decision is at the time.

Wanna try another one sweetie:spanking:

[Luckylegs]

Roll Up, Roll up.... Get your massively reduced post count back up here !!!!!!

[Astrocat]

Dosnt mean by any stretch that i would be impressed, but like i said he is responsible for his own actions.

...next......:eek:

[Jimmy B]

Dan makes his owns decisions while riding. So your guilty trip shit wont work on me hahaha. He pays the consequence for his actions or inactions, whatever the decision is at the time.

Wanna try another one sweetie:spanking:

"People with anorexia deny anything is wrong, despite obvious signs to the contrary". My god man, you have mental anorexia :dodge:

How was that?

[Astrocat]

...anyway, this is meant to be about someone who got off with

no rego
no wof
wrong graduation of licence
outside the time limit for riding on a restricted licence
and speeding.

had he said nothing, nun of ya would know any different, so feel good that you have got to blow off some hot air:Pokey:

[Astrocat]

....................

[Astrocat]

"People with anorexia deny anything is wrong, despite obvious signs to the contrary". My god man, you have mental anorexia :dodge:

How was that?

How was that??? hahahahahaha :rofl::rofl:

[Buddy L]

(for instance, RG100 hit a car that was parked in the middle of the road around a blind corner on the rimutakas. Not his fault, but since he didn't have insurance he has to pay the car's insurance company $2000).


He must have been going to fast for the conditions, yes his fault. if you can't stop in time then its your fault. Has happend to me.

[Astrocat]

He must have been going to fast for the conditions, yes his fault. if you can't stop in time then its your fault. Has happend to me.

Bummer dude, sometime the law is a complete arse. It makes me think of pedistrians. If they cross the road either side of a crossing that was put there for them to use to cross safely, and you hit them because they didnt use it and ran out in front of you, your in the wrong, even though they made the decision to ignore something that was out in place for them in the first place. Always been a bugbear for me.:argh:

[Astrocat]

Ok enough, on my part. A little shameless from me i admit. But overall, Dan is very lucky to get off with no fines or penalty. Next time Dan, touch wood please. hahahahaha

[Disco Dan]

Astro? WTF dude!!! hahaha!!!


WOF and REG up to date now.

Book in to sit license on monday... geesh.. all this was going to happen just like this anyway.. regardless of last nights lottery win with the police!!! :girlfight:

[scracha]

Its very easy to sit in judgement of other people with out really knowing what's going on.....

Try saying that when you've been fined over 600 bucks for speeding yet 3 weeks later the same cops don't purse the uninsured @#4cker who knocks you off your bike. The same cops who will only give out the uninsured @#$ckers address after you tell them you'll make another complaint about uninsured #@$cker leaving scene of accident without giving correct address.

[Astrocat]

Hey Dude, great to hear you got the reg and wof and license organised. :niceone:

yeah, oops, got a bit carried away, but oh well, im sure that those girls can hold their own:crybaby:

[Str8 Jacket]

Try saying that when you've been fined over 600 bucks for speeding yet 3 weeks later the same cops don't purse the uninsured @#4cker who knocks you off your bike. The same cops who will only give out the uninsured @#$ckers address after you tell them you'll make another complaint about uninsured #@$cker leaving scene of accident without giving correct address.

Know whatcha your trying to say..... however life comes in swings and roundabouts! Ya never know what hapeened to theose f**kers later down the track! I find it much easier to worry about myself, believe me that keeps me very occupied!

[Astrocat]

Try saying that when you've been fined over 600 bucks for speeding yet 3 weeks later the same cops don't purse the uninsured @#4cker who knocks you off your bike. The same cops who will only give out the uninsured @#$ckers address after you tell them you'll make another complaint about uninsured #@$cker leaving scene of accident without giving correct address.

Doing a runner is one thing, but doing a runner after the accident has happend is a ****ken death sentence if i ever caught the ball-less ***er. :2guns:

This is not in relation to what Dan has said, but accidnet runners are gutless.

[Astrocat]

Try saying that when you've been fined over 600 bucks for speeding yet 3 weeks later the same cops don't purse the uninsured @#4cker who knocks you off your bike. The same cops who will only give out the uninsured @#$ckers address after you tell them you'll make another complaint about uninsured #@$cker leaving scene of accident without giving correct address.

Doing a runner is one thing, but doing a runner after the accident has happend is a ****ken death sentence if i ever caught the ball-less ***er. :2guns:

This is not in relation to what Dan has said, but accident runners are gutless.

[Jimmy B]

Hey Dude, great to hear you got the reg and wof and license organised. :niceone:

yeah, oops, got a bit carried away, but oh well, im sure that those girls can hold their own:crybaby:

Who are you calling a girl smartarse? Looking back through your posts its all coming back to me, you’re the guy with the hot VTR that wasn’t fast enough for you. Then you got bitchy to all and sundry just prior to riding into the side of a car. Your replacement was then going to be a Busa or ZX12. Nice form.

[Disco Dan]

Who are you calling a girl smartarse? Looking back through your posts its all coming back to me, you’re the guy with the hot VTR that wasn’t fast enough for you. Then you got bitchy to all and sundry just prior to riding into the side of a car. Your replacement was then going to be a Busa or ZX12. Nice form.

bwahahahah!! :shutup: :shutup::shutup::shutup::shutup:

[mstriumph]

And if you had of been ticketed you could of afforded neither and would of continued riding without......

Effective policing that!

too right!

if only more of them thought of WHY they are supposed to be out there and not just how cute they look with a gun on their hip .....

.. respect to the one that taught YOU a lesson you aren't likely to forget in a hurry :2thumbsup ... i mean, if he'd just ticketted you, you would have bitched about it for 6 weeks then forgotten about it forever ...... but THIS? this is something that'll stay with you a loooooooooong time :cool:

[lb99]

Having the skills and the experience is worth more in my book than a piece of paper

well said

have some of you people forgotten what its like to be 20 something rebel?

you are all forgetting the key thing Nobody got hurt, nobody even came close

he broke the law, he got caught, he owned up and took his punishment.

there was none of the usual indignant crybaby shit you get in here

its not fair
wah wah fuckin cops
blah blah radar calibration
please someone help me get off this ticket


the most he was guilty of was civil disobedience, which is bloody good fun, giving the "up yours" to the man is part of being a biker IMO

a bit of good natured ribbing is ok, but most of you are just being mean
leave the kid alone

I know what hapens to rebel bikers when they get OLD, they buy all the flash toys so they can look down on where they used to be.
They turn into self righteous pricks.

:oi-grr:

/rant over


oh, no grudges carried, have a nice day. :done:

[Patrick]

However, I doubt too many people have got a ticket they have had to pay for if stiopped by a cop and the WOF is only 28 dyas or less out of date, they would likely get 'compliance' on it.

A bit like being on a restricted Licence and breaching the conditions of it in some way - again the cop (if he's nice and judging by KB that's not often) MAY give 'compliance' IF the person on their 'R' licence is all set to do their Full - and does it within 28 days.

Quite right on the WOF about compliance, but the licence thing... Sadly, at the moment, Learner and Restricted Breaches are not in the policy.

If you have never held a licence, you can get compliance within 28 days (go get a learners and you will get off). Interpreted, show no understanding of the road rules or any ability to drive, they will let you off if you get a Learners licence.

Go figure. A Learner at least shows understanding of the road rules and a restricted has shown an abilty to drive, but they won't offer compliance "because it is not included in the policy."

I have just submitted paperwork arging this to have this rectified and sorted, so it is included in the Policy.

Will see how it pans out and let ya'all know.

[Coyote]

He must have been going to fast for the conditions, yes his fault. if you can't stop in time then its your fault. Has happend to me.
To stop in time for a parked car around a blind corner he'd have to be doing 20k. Is that a reasonable speed to go on the rimutakas? I don't think so when you have 4x4s up your arse. I just think this is a perfect example of insurance companies weasling out of paying out.

Your joking aren't you mate? Thanks to the pussy footing fuckin laws in this country you can't get the uninsured bastards to pay outl. Some uninsured twat hits you and you'll be the one out of pocket or claiming insurance in the majority of cases.
You're kidding? Everyone time I've heard of someone uninsured in an incident they've had to pay out.

I haven't studied law so I wouldn't really know how pussy footin the govermunt is.

[Coyote]

Ahhhhh...17y/o and knows it all. I remember the days
I don't know it all, just be thankful the younguns you do get on this site rnt ritn lik dis ay bro.

I really shouldn't speak my opinion on this site cause I just get beaten down for it. Maybe I should start brand bashing instead, sure fire way of getting people on your side. Urr Honda's r gay lolol

[scracha]

If all riders on bikes larger than their licence conditions permit were banned, I'd see very few bikes on the road.

And that would be a bad thing?



on such matters. Mr DD's bike is his only transport. He rides it every day.He cannot

Yawn. "Oh dear, the only bike I could obtain on my learners was a ZZR1100". I smell bullshit.

[scracha]

You're kidding? Everyone time I've heard of someone uninsured in an incident they've had to pay out.


If they haven't got insurance then there's a fair chance they've got no money. Speak to anybody here with experience of how well the courts get money from peeps who can't pay fines? "oh, sorry, can't pay your fine...Ok, we'll half it and you can pay it at 50c per week". Add to that the time writing letters, day in court, etc etc and who's paying the bigger fine (I'm self employed).. Couldn't crush or repo the $hitbox of a car either as it was "mummy's".

[SPman]

(for instance, RG100 hit a car that was parked in the middle of the road around a blind corner on the rimutakas. Not his fault, but since he didn't have insurance he has to pay the car's insurance company $2000).
If it's not his fault, he doesn't have to pay. I'd say parking a car in the middle of the road on a blind corner, is criminal negligence!

[MaxB]

DD in your biking life, if it is a long one, you may get let off like this maybe once or twice ever again. That is how lucky you are right now.

[Disco Dan]

Yawn. "Oh dear, the only bike I could obtain on my learners was a ZZR1100". I smell bullshit.

You obviously failed to read all the posts. :oi-grr:

[peasea]

Woah.. what a night...

speeding... (was overtaking a lone cage) on my way home from work tonight. See a bikey cop coming the other way... I go around the corner and he's right behind me... flashing away!

oh crap... pull over:

no reg
no wof
restricted license
1100cc monster bike
after license curfew
...oh and speeding.

I thought I was walking.....


after a short slap on the wrist he pats my bike on the tank and "ride safe on your way home... to the speed limit eh?" ...hopps on his bike and rides off!

...sitting there *gobsmacked* :gob::gob::gob::gob:

I should have been walking.

Just got home and im cooking some bacon and having a strong drink. :yes::yes::yes:

Far out... so FARKING LUCKY.

The weird thing was though... I was so well behaved on the remainder of my trip home.... :scooter:

...dam those police bikes move quick!!!!! :whistle:

You must be a policeman, coz it sounds like a pack of lies.

If what you are saying is true the filth must have already made quota and couldn't be arsed with the paperwork.

Go buy a Lotto ticket.

[98tls]

:oi-grr:morning all....coffee anyone? I had the most amazing dream.:rolleyes:

[jrandom]

In honour of this thread, I am now going to have bacon for breakfast.

[Tank]

well said
the most he was guilty of was civil disobedience, which is bloody good fun, giving the "up yours" to the man is part of being a biker IMO



And the first time you have any civil disobedience that impacts you negativly the first thing you do is call 'the man' :tugger:

Its got nothing to do about being a 'biker' at all.

[scracha]

You obviously failed to read all the posts. :oi-grr:

Oh boo fuckin hoo. We've all had hard times Dan, it's just some of us take personal responsibility. If you don't like folk venting at you and aren't prepared to divulge your "personal circumstances" then why post on a public forum?

I like the bullshit you spout about "you being prepared to take the risk". The fucktard that knocked me off my bike was "also prepared to take that risk".

[Drew]

And that would be a bad thing?



Yawn. "Oh dear, the only bike I could obtain on my learners was a ZZR1100". I smell bullshit.

Very closed minded of you there Stevie. Do you think I am unqualified to ride a bike bigger than a 250? I might be a lazy prick for not having gotten my correct licence, but I dont think I should be banned. There a folk out there with the correct licence , but no clue of how to handle a "big bike".

[Pex Adams]

Since I'm into making random comments at the moment - I would just like to express my amazement at how fast this Flame thread has taken off...

Great Shit KBers.. Flame away :niceone::niceone::niceone:

BTW did anyone now that FATJIM turns 40 in a couple of weeks???

[Bruiser]

When did I say that I "bought" the bike??? I do not legally own it - nor can I legally own it, even with license conditions aside.

As I said before my options were limited - either ZX11 for a few months on wrong license or no transport at all in any form (short of public) for close to three years. Fuck that.

You had the option of public transport!

And as for that three years? I have a feeling what that is about and if you aren't "allowed" to own an asset until that is up, then what the hell are you doing riding uninsured?

I assume that until discharged you are at the mercy of "the man" and unable to make good any losses if you hit another bike or car, right Dan?

[Disco Dan]

You had the option of public transport!

And as for that three years? I have a feeling what that is about and if you aren't "allowed" to own an asset until that is up, then what the hell are you doing riding uninsured?

I assume that until discharged you are at the mercy of "the man" and unable to make good any losses if you hit another bike or car, right Dan?

Yep, you know exactly what I am talking about :yes::yes:

Uninsured for a couple more weeks before im added to the policy - then there are no 'losses' as such to worry about.

Apart from a few minor annoyances, "its" actually quite nice. Although not something I would recommend or do again myself if I can help it!!

[Bruiser]

Yep, you know exactly what I am talking about :yes::yes:

Uninsured for a couple more weeks before im added to the policy - then there are no 'losses' as such to worry about.

Apart from a few minor annoyances, "its" actually quite nice. Although not something I would recommend or do again myself if I can help it!!

Then may I ask you to please not ride for that two weeks. You and I both know you can't make good any losses should you create a mess (in every sense of the word) for an innocent motorist. Knowing this and continuing to ride does you absolutely no credit, and you've already lost enough of that!

I lost a good business, over $80k of earnings, four staff (some with families) lost their jobs, all because the guilty party, just like you Dan, had no money or insurance.

Until you are insured, FFS get a bus eh!

[Edbear]

Very closed minded of you there Stevie. Do you think I am unqualified to ride a bike bigger than a 250? I might be a lazy prick for not having gotten my correct licence, but I dont think I should be banned. There a folk out there with the correct licence , but no clue of how to handle a "big bike".



Something that has become obvious in this thread is a number of people's attitudes to the rule of law. While I have some sympathy for Dan's situation, it is plain that some believe that laws are there for others, or to obey if it's convenient to do so.

If everyone had this attitude there would be anarchy. Shall we all simply choose for ourselves which laws we will obey and which we will ignore? It is notable, that for those who lightly ignore "inconvenient" laws, their compliance is usually directly related to their perception of the risk of getting caught. Such persons are also very quick to take advantage of laws that will assist them, and judge harshly others who break laws that have an adverse effect on them personally. In other words, they play the laws and flout the laws to their personal advantage without consideration for the consequences to others, or the long term effects on themselves. They want it both ways.

Anyone who gets in trouble for breaking the law has no grounds for complaining but should always be of the attitude of "Fair Cop, Guv!"

Personally I have experienced many severe trials and setbacks as, no doubt have many on here, but have managed to deal with them lawfully. It's all about attitude, not about whether one "has no choice but to break the law".

[steveb64]

If it's not his fault, he doesn't have to pay. I'd say parking a car in the middle of the road on a blind corner, is criminal negligence!

Bollocks.

From the road code:

# you can stop in the length of clear lane you can see in front of you on a road with a centre line or lanes.

As for the car - yep, it was a f-wit place to stop - but why were they stopped? Sometimes vehicles stop. In crap places. Because they've BROKEN DOWN! (Got caught by that at the top of Ngaraunga Gorge once :Oops: - nearly missed it, but didn't quite. And the insurance paid...), and sometimes because the driver is just a dick.
Sometimes you get animals on the road too... ...or another bike down... ...or rocks on the road... then what? Are they being criminally negligent too?


To stop in time for a parked car around a blind corner he'd have to be doing 20k. Is that a reasonable speed to go on the rimutakas? I don't think so when you have 4x4s up your arse.

I know the 'takas quite well, as I've lived in Wellington for a number of years (on and off), and left my share of black lines around the corners - and you can do more than 20k's around corners on the hill AND still be able to stop. As long as you have decent riding skills... ...and a decent bike setup... ...AND pay attention to the road in front.
If he was so freaked out by the 4x4's up his arse (and how come they didn't crash into him?:confused:) - then he should have pulled over and let them past! Then he could have carried on at his own happy pace, without needing to risk outriding his skill level - which was possibly not high, given that he was on a 100. :oi-grr:

BTW - If you want to make the Hill feel like a multi-lane motorway - do the following ride from Wellington: North to Porirua, out through Pauatahanui Inlet, over Paekak hill road, up to Waikanae, over the Akatarawa's to Upper Hutt, then over the Rimutakas to Featherston, and then off round the lake Ferry (floodgates) road, and loop back - heading back over the hill to Wellington again. After the Akatarawas, the 'takas seem really wide and smooth... :woohoo:

[Coyote]

I'm going to stop talking about this one for now since I don't know the full story. I'm only going by what I was told.


Feel like everyone is defending the insurance companies right not to pay out though

[Disco Dan]

Something that has become obvious in this thread is a number of people's attitudes to the rule of law. While I have some sympathy for Dan's situation, it is plain that some believe that laws are there for others, or to obey if it's convenient to do so.

If everyone had this attitude there would be anarchy. Shall we all simply choose for ourselves which laws we will obey and which we will ignore? It is notable, that for those who lightly ignore "inconvenient" laws, their compliance is usually directly related to their perception of the risk of getting caught. Such persons are also very quick to take advantage of laws that will assist them, and judge harshly others who break laws that have an adverse effect on them personally. In other words, they play the laws and flout the laws to their personal advantage without consideration for the consequences to others, or the long term effects on themselves. They want it both ways.

Anyone who gets in trouble for breaking the law has no grounds for complaining but should always be of the attitude of "Fair Cop, Guv!"

Personally I have experienced many severe trials and setbacks as, no doubt have many on here, but have managed to deal with them lawfully. It's all about attitude, not about whether one "has no choice but to break the law".


Cheers EdBear - very well written :sunny:


Yes, 9 times out of 10 there is a legal choice. In my case the legal choice would be to use public transport.

As such, I choose to take the risk of being pulled over and take the risk that I smash into a brand new bmw and have to pay out...

By posting I was not looking for sympathy, or even "you idiot, you have no insurance" comments - I have my reasons for picking this choice, and I have reasons for being in the financial handicap that is bankcruptcy. Yes that was also my choice. I dont regret making that choice, however I would not wish anyone else to go through such a time.

I am better off after making these choices than I was before, I have a much more prosperous financial future than I had before. I also have a gorgous ZX11 waiting for me after I am discharged - some may see it as 'opening your christmas present early' others 'bending the rules' and I am sure as heck there are many many more view points! But it does not matter. I am happy with my choices. I am thankful that such a scheme exsits for I would be well into retirement before I would ever have been able to reverse the financial imaturity and idiocracies of my youth!

My friend has agreed to help me. He has stood by me throughout the entire process, supporting me - and he will continue to support me because he is a great friend.

I appreciate all your feedback folks... but it is my choice - not yours.

[Smoggy]

Must admit, it does piss me off. Have got a clean licence, never claimed on my insurance, and even though I am classed as a wrinkly, the amount of ACC I get stung, with also having van and car is unreal. Anyone know if there are any discounts available? and bring in compulsory insurance.

[scracha]

but I dont think I should be banned. There a folk out there with the correct licence , but no clue of how to handle a "big bike".

You can't be banned if you don't have a license :blink:
It's not small minded of me and you're missing the point.

How would you feel if some guy without a car license who "thought he knew how to handle a car" knocked down and killed your girlfriend? There is a point in having a test and if everyone who thought they knew better got in/on and drove/rode a "fast car" or "big bike" then all hell would break loose.

Your point about having a license and not knowing how to handle a bike bike is an indication of the $hit driver training and testing in New Zealand and nothing to do with "not bothering to have a license".

Finally, you are a great track rider and I've heard you're good at stunting. However I've never seen your road riding so can't really comment on whether you should be "banned" or otherwise?

I'm all for live and let live but only when it doesn't adversely affect anybody else.

I'm going back to my beer now.

[Smoggy]

Bollocks.

From the road code:

# you can stop in the length of clear lane you can see in front of you on a road with a centre line or lanes.

As for the car - yep, it was a f-wit place to stop - but why were they stopped? Sometimes vehicles stop. In crap places. Because they've BROKEN DOWN! (Got caught by that at the top of Ngaraunga Gorge once :Oops: - nearly missed it, but didn't quite. And the insurance paid...), and sometimes because the driver is just a dick.
Sometimes you get animals on the road too... ...or another bike down... ...or rocks on the road... then what? Are they being criminally negligent too?



I know the 'takas quite well, as I've lived in Wellington for a number of years (on and off), and left my share of black lines around the corners - and you can do more than 20k's around corners on the hill AND still be able to stop. As long as you have decent riding skills... ...and a decent bike setup... ...AND pay attention to the road in front.
If he was so freaked out by the 4x4's up his arse (and how come they didn't crash into him?:confused:) - then he should have pulled over and let them past! Then he could have carried on at his own happy pace, without needing to risk outriding his skill level - which was possibly not high, given that he was on a 100. :oi-grr:

BTW - If you want to make the Hill feel like a multi-lane motorway - do the following ride from Wellington: North to Porirua, out through Pauatahanui Inlet, over Paekak hill road, up to Waikanae, over the Akatarawa's to Upper Hutt, then over the Rimutakas to Featherston, and then off round the lake Ferry (floodgates) road, and loop back - heading back over the hill to Wellington again. After the Akatarawas, the 'takas seem really wide and smooth... :woohoo:

And on a rainy day as well :)

[Drew]

Such persons are also very quick to take advantage of laws that will assist them,

The very reason people study law, to get paid for taking advantage of the law in the interest of others.

I was just saying that having the correct licence means squat, it's a very cursery test. And a decent lawyer will screw you out of your cash should an offender contest his charges resulting in your losses.

Bottom line, the system is flawed. A licence is not a right, but a comodoty, and should be 100 times more difficult to get than it is. The road toll would drop many fold with proper driver training, rather than the endlessly added legislate currently being dreamed up.

[steveb64]

I'm going to stop talking about this one for now since I don't know the full story. I'm only going by what I was told.


Feel like everyone is defending the insurance companies right not to pay out though

Nah. I hate the feckers... I've had far too many claims where they've wriggled out of it - and a couple where they tried to, but paid up after a short fight. It's revenue that they're interested in. That's why they go for the uninsured people (or the others insurance company if they're insured) if possible. And being uninsured means you don't have the insurance company lawyers to do the arguing... Which makes you an easier (and thus more profitable) target. :mad:

Just sometimes, they're right. :brick: Which helps keep the premiums down.:woohoo:

[Edbear]

The very reason people study law, to get paid for taking advantage of the law in the interest of others.

I was just saying that having the correct licence means squat, it's a very cursery test. And a decent lawyer will screw you out of your cash should an offender contest his charges resulting in your losses.

Bottom line, the system is flawed. A licence is not a right, but a comodoty, and should be 100 times more difficult to get than it is. The road toll would drop many fold with proper driver training, rather than the endlessly added legislate currently being dreamed up.



I agree with you here. However, I think you'll find that it's not so much the youngsters getting their licences who are the biggest problem, it's those in their 20's who are causing the most mayhem, speeding, drinking, unwarranted, unregistered, driving outside their licence conditions, coupled with those in the older ages who are recidivist drink/drug drivers.

No-one would argue that there are far too many drivers who have little idea how to drive a car, so yes, a licence does not a driver make.

My point is that regardless of what one thinks of the law, they are there for a purpose and for everyone. I feel that a 35 year driving record of no accidents and a sum total of one speed camera fine, (for 61 in a 50 about ten years ago), shows that one can drive and have fun without needing to do too much lawbreaking. I admit to not always obeying the speed limit, but I also say that I do not feel the need for a detecter, nor do I worry about the HP doing their job. I don't worry about checkpoints and have no fear of hurting someone due to driving under the influence. Yes I do drink alcohol, just never when driving.

Unregistered and more so, unwarranted vehicles do bother me, as although the WOF test can't be perfect, it certainly means something and those who don't care about these things really don't care about the possibility of hurting or killing someone. Not to say that someone who generally keeps his vehicle in good condition and can forget or not notice the WOF has expired is such a person, but there are too many, who simply couldn't care less. These ones need their butts kicked, hard!

[Astrocat]

Who are you calling a girl smartarse? Looking back through your posts its all coming back to me, you’re the guy with the hot VTR that wasn’t fast enough for you. Then you got bitchy to all and sundry just prior to riding into the side of a car. Your replacement was then going to be a Busa or ZX12. Nice form.

Yeah, i got all hothead about the VTR not being fast enough, so what fag. I ended up getting something with a lot more stonk and loved it. If you read the thread properly, i wasnt even going fast when i hit the Lexus. Could have happened to anyone. So back at ya :baby:

[sunhuntin]

Bollocks.

From the road code:

# you can stop in the length of clear lane you can see in front of you on a road with a centre line or lanes.

As for the car - yep, it was a f-wit place to stop - but why were they stopped? Sometimes vehicles stop. In crap places. Because they've BROKEN DOWN! (Got caught by that at the top of Ngaraunga Gorge once :Oops: - nearly missed it, but didn't quite. And the insurance paid...), and sometimes because the driver is just a dick.



yeh... i come across someone yesterday, stopped about a meter up a 2 lane bridge... the reason? there was a cop coming the other way. wankers. cop wasnt in a hurry, and was behind other cars anyways, no reason to stop on a freakin bridge.

[Morcs]

Lucky bastard.

Ive just paid $1,606 worth of fines for doing less wrong overall.

:Oi:

[Disco Dan]

Lucky bastard.

Ive just paid $1,606 worth of fines for doing less wrong overall.

:Oi:

hahaha!!

So when we going to hit the twisties again bro? I'll let you stare at my tail light.... :whistle:

[Morcs]

hahaha!!

So when we going to hit the twisties again bro? I'll let you stare at my tail light.... :whistle:

:laugh:

Twisties Im just gone. :shifty:

[Jimmy B]

Is it really the case that a significant proportion of fatal single-bike crashes happen to people riding big bikes while still on their learner or restricted licence conditions?

Personally, I would not expect to see a statistically significant difference. If, say, 5% of the > 250cc bikes out there are being ridden by riders without full licences, I would simply expect to see 5% of the fatal single-vehicle crashes of > 250cc bikes involving such riders.

Was an interesting question JR and got me thinking, I found this pretty interesting:

July 1997. This Fact Sheet is based on research conducted by the Injury Prevention Research Centre, Department of Community Health, Te Puu Taki Aukati Whara, Faculty of Medicine and Health Science, The University of Auckland, Private Bag 92 019, Auckland, New Zealand.

Tel. +64 9 373-7999 Fax. +64 9 373-7503 http://www.auckland.ac.nz/ipc/index.htm

Motorcyclists in New Zealand suffer a disproportionate
number of road traffic crashes.

In 1995 motorcycles accounted for 2.1% of all registered motor vehicles, but 8.9% of reported injuries and 13.3% of all fatalities from motor vehicle crashes occurred in motorcyclists (drivers and pillions). This represented 77 deaths and 1496 injured motorcyclists (Land Transport Safety Authority 1996).

Data from the 1991 National Travel Survey (Land Transport Division, New Zealand Ministry of Transport 1992) on the number of kilometres travelled by motorcyclists, showed that motorcyclists travelled only 1.4% of the kilometres driven on New Zealand roads in motorised vehicles.

The University Motorcycle Injury Study conducted in the Auckland region over a three year period from February 1993 and involving over 2000 motorcycle riders showed that:

of the drivers and pillions injured:
• 80% received an injury to the leg or foot
• 66% received an injury to the arm or shoulder
• 30% received an injury to the head
• the average length of stay in hospital was five days and one in ten of those hospitalised was admitted to an intensive care unit for an average length of stay of
four days.

of the drivers who were killed or injured:
• 94% were male
• the average age was 28 years
• the average length of time spent regularly riding a motorcycle on the road was 8 years
• about 10% had completed a motorcycle training course
• 20% reported drinking alcohol 12 hours or less before riding their motorcycle

Which factors put motorcycle riders most at risk of injury?

Age
• Motorcycle drivers aged from 15 to 19 years had the highest risk of moderate to fatal injury as a result of a motorcycle crash. They were at more than twice the risk of those aged 25 years and over.
• Risk was lowest in those aged between 35 and 50 years.
• For motorcyclists aged from 20 to 24 years the risk was intermediate between the two groups.
• There were not enough motorcyclists aged over 50 years (7% of the random sample of motorcycle riders) in this study to assess whether there was a changing pattern of risk for motorcycle riders aged over 50 years.
• 2.3% of all motorcycle injuries in this study occurred among 15 and 16 year olds increasing to 18% for those aged from 15 to 19 years.

Gender
• There was no evidence of any association between gender and risk although there were only a small number of females in the study.
• Most motorcycle injuries and fatalities involve male motorcycle drivers because most motorcycle driving is done by males. In contrast males comprised only 23% of pillion passengers.

Experience
• There is evidence of an association between increasing risk of moderate to fatal injury and increasing years of regular on-road motorcycle riding.
• Motorcyclists with more than five years of regular on-road motorcycle riding had about a 60% greater risk compared to those reporting less than two years.
• The apparent adverse effect of experience was especially evident among motorcycle drivers aged from 20 to 24 years with a 150% increase in risk for this age group.
• Motorcyclists who had ridden their current motorcycle more than 1000 kilometres had about a 40 to 50% lower risk compared to those who had ridden their motorcycle less than 1000 kilometres.
• There was no clear protective effect observed for the other measures of experience examined, including offroad motorcycle riding in the previous year, total years of off-road motorcycling, years of regular motor vehicle driving, motor vehicle driving in the previous year and familiarity with the road.

Training
• There was some limited evidence that motorcycle drivers who had attended a motorcycle training course were at a lower risk, but no clear evidence of benefit for reducing risk if a motorcyclist had completed a training course for another type of motor vehicle.

Alcohol
• Alcohol consumption was associated with an increase in risk of injury with a 50% increase in risk for riders who reported consuming any alcohol in the 12 hours before riding a motorcycle.
• While objective blood/breath alcohol measures were available for a limited proportion of motorcyclists, this information showed evidence of increasing risk of injury with increasing blood alcohol. For those riding with a Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC) over the upper legal limit of 80mg/100ml there was a four times increase in risk and for those riding with a BAC between 30 to 79 mg/100ml there was still a doubling in risk.

cc Rating
• Motorcycle riders on a motorcycle of 250 cc or greater had double the injury risk of those on a motorcycle of 250cc or less.
• There was no evidence of any marked increase in risk with increasing cc rating above 250ccs.

Pillion passengers
• For a motorcycle rider carrying a pillion passenger there was no evidence of an increase in risk for carrying a female pillion, but a possible increase in risk if the pillion passenger was male.

License status
• Unlicensed riders (those who have never received a licence or have lost their licence) had twice the risk of licensed riders
• There was no evidence that riders with learner or restricted licences faced greater risk.

Wet roads
• There was about a 50% increase in risk if the motorcyclist was riding on a wet road.

[scracha]

of the drivers who were killed or injured:

• the average length of time spent regularly riding a motorcycle on the road was 8 years
• about 10% had completed a motorcycle training course


Can you sit the test here without doing a motorcycle training course?

[jrandom]

• Motorcyclists who had ridden their current motorcycle more than 1000 kilometres had about a 40 to 50% lower risk compared to those who had ridden their motorcycle less than 1000 kilometres.
• There was no evidence that riders with learner or restricted licences faced greater risk.
• There was about a 50% increase in risk if the motorcyclist was riding on a wet road.

So new bikes and wet roads are the two biggest single risk factors, and learner or restricted riders are not more likely to suffer a crash serious enough to be reported.

:yes:

Thank you for that very informative post.

[Patrick]

So new bikes and wet roads are the two biggest single risk factors, and learner or restricted riders are not more likely to suffer a crash serious enough to be reported.

:yes:

Thank you for that very informative post.

The stats were from last century, mind......

[jrandom]

The stats were from last century, mind......

Do you think a lot has changed over the last ten years?

[scumdog]

Do you think a lot has changed over the last ten years?


More bikes and cars on the roads??

And possibly a different way of gathering stats.

[Jimmy B]

More bikes and cars on the roads??

And possibly a different way of gathering stats.

Very true SD but I thought enough of it seemed to sound right. I also read through the Hurt Report and that’s 1981 California. Still interesting stuff. Do you have access to any later NZL studies?

[Jimmy B]

So new bikes and wet roads are the two biggest single risk factors, and learner or restricted riders are not more likely to suffer a crash serious enough to be reported.

:yes:

Thank you for that very informative post.

It would appear so.

Cheers

JB

[Patrick]

Do you think a lot has changed over the last ten years?

Where do you start....

HP, 10kmph tolerance, offenders rights, PC Bullshit, Labour Govt, Home detention, Police promoting the "squeaky clean" image with a vengance.... just to name a few....

As for motorbikes? Faster? More of them? More "imported" drivers too, who can't see an oncoming car, let alone a bike....

[The Pastor]

I liked dooing wheelies on my gpz 1000 :D

[Edbear]

More bikes and cars on the roads??

And possibly a different way of gathering stats.



Yup! There's ALWAYS a different way of gathering stats!:niceone: