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Her_C4
18th November 2007, 19:37
Is that any way to speak to a lady , A Woman or any Female ????????
I doubt that Hitcher would have - if he thought he was speaking to any of the above options....
A member is not allowed to make threats or how could you say it bad mouth a Mod yet you as a Mod Hitcher say that to a member ???????????
As far as I am concern PLEASE EXPLAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What threats?
James Deuce
18th November 2007, 19:38
That is completely crossing the line on your part. Makes me wonder why you don't get the sack. :gob:
Oh, that's right, the old, "Moderators have to be perfect and never react to stuff that would get you a size 13 boot wedged up your arse if you said it to someone's face".
What bullshit.
You've wasted a shit load of space on KB, sweety, and been allowed to get away with it.
yungatart
18th November 2007, 19:41
And what, exactly, is this "transparency" you're so keen on getting?
We, the unwashed masses, would like transparency in regards to the sacking of Frosty as a mod, the pm's back and forth between Frosty and the said moderator who "did the deed".
Frosty feels, rightly or wrongly, that this decision was unfair. We, who suppport Frosty as a "thoroughly good bloke", would also like to know what happened.
I would like to know that my faith in and respect for Frosty is not ill placed.
Withoiut this information, all we are left with is supposition, suspicion, ill feeling and taking liberties with the truth, whatever that may be.
Seriously, Brett, we feel as contributing persons to this site, that this needs to be on a need to know basis....and "we " need to know that the mods are decent..actually most of them are...and human and have the best interests of this site and the people who make it up, at heart.
Right now it is looking pretty dodgy..and you know that I have never been in to mod bashing, for mod bashing's sake.
chanceyy
18th November 2007, 19:41
Is that any way to speak to a lady , A Woman or any Female ????????
a woman (if this is the case) who has created an alias to post .. why do they not feel comfortable posting under their real login ???
Kiwifire72
18th November 2007, 19:42
I doubt that Hitcher would have - if he thought he was speaking to any of the above options....
What threats?
OK so your saying and you know for a fact that ATEZZER is not a woman or female?????
and that he was within his right to speak to her in that way?????
NotaGoth
18th November 2007, 19:42
Oh, that's right, the old, "Moderators have to be perfect and never react to stuff that would get you a size 13 boot wedged up your arse if you said it to someone's face".
What bullshit.
You've wasted a shit load of space on KB, sweety, and been allowed to get away with it.
Oh sweetcheeks who hasn't :girlfight:
Paul in NZ
18th November 2007, 19:42
You know - things are making a bit of sense to me now and I'm utterly horrified at peoples behaviour. If you read this thread with an open and unbiased mind - slot in the bits you know - and think about it without reacting - questioning everything and everyone you think you know... it beomes a bit clearer, certainly the clues are all there.
Having said that...... Having made your decision, what will you do?
Will you people stop before the site is destroyed? Perhaps not this time.....
Secondly - do I care any more? No - I'm disgusted and at this time i don't have the energy for watching this sadness.
Fill yer boots you lot. I've got better things to do.
Kiwifire72
18th November 2007, 19:45
a woman (if this is the case) who has created an alias to post .. why do they not feel comfortable posting under their real login ???
As I said to B4 do you know for a fact that this person is not who they say they are???????
James Deuce
18th November 2007, 19:45
We, the unwashed masses, would like transparency in regards to the sacking of Frosty as a mod, the pm's back and forth between Frosty and the said moderator who "did the deed".
Frosty feels, rightly or wrongly, that this decision was unfair. We, who suppport Frosty as a "thoroughly good bloke", would also like to know what happened.
I would like to know that my faith in and respect for Frosty is not ill placed.
Withoiut this information, all we are left with is supposition, suspicion, ill feeling and taking liberties with the truth, whatever that may be.
Seriously, Brett, we feel as contributing persons to this site, that this needs to be on a need to know basis....and "we " need to know that the mods are decent..actually most of them are...and human and have the best interests of this site and the people who make it up, at heart.
Right now it is looking pretty dodgy..and you know that I have never been in to mod bashing, for mod bashing's sake.
Errr - how come I keep getting told it's only the Internet and I shouldn't get so cross when things happen that I object to then?
I know what you are saying, and agree with the intent 100%, but the majority of KB's membership will be going, "Eh? It's only the Internet, why is she so upset. For that matter why is Frosty so upset?"
Guarantee it.
chanceyy
18th November 2007, 19:48
As I said to B4 do you know for a fact that this person is not who they say they are???????
dunno if its female or male .. a newbie roaring into a thread full of brim & fire methinks not...
so strong chances its someone who has created an alias ... & the name a teaser .. yeah well enough said really ....
jrandom
18th November 2007, 19:49
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ATEZZR
18th November 2007, 19:49
[QUOTE=Hitcher;1300876]
[QUOTE=Hitcher;1300879]Apart from being appallingly spelt, that is just a pathetic attempt to play the man, rather than the ball.
No i thought that was joni job and she only gets them out when its time to play.
And as far as your threats go just shows how much of a big man you are.
Also i dont have balls i'm all women would joni like some lessons
Hope this explains
NotaGoth
18th November 2007, 19:49
dunno if its female or male .. a newbie roaring into a thread full of brim & fire methinks not...
so strong chances its someone who has created an alias ... & the name a teaser .. yeah well enough said really ....
Join date? 2006?
Swoop
18th November 2007, 19:51
Join date? 2006?
We're fucked! This member has invented time travel!
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 19:52
Well things have certainly been busy here since Friday!
And there is a bunch of shit getting thrown around, in typical KB style, regarding the "sacking" of Frosty.
Once again much of the "discussion" relating to this matter has been one-sided -- in Frosty's favour. And there has also been a lot of crap thrown at Moderators -- Joni in particular.
Until a few months ago I had the privilege to be a Senior Moderator. As such I was privy to some discussions that other Moderators (like I am now) and Kiwi Biker members don't get to see. Trust me when I say it's pretty ugly at times in the back room.
One of the things that Senior Moderators get involved in is feedback about the performance of Moderators, and they also have a range of tools that allow what Mods do to be observed and quantified. There are some great Moderators on this site, some who are still learning the dark art of moderation, a very few whose performance has been sub-optimal and a couple who have caused no end of trouble.
Another point that needs to be kept in mind here is to disassociate what Frosty does outside KB, such as worthy work organising track days and the like, and what he does (or does not do) on KB as a Moderator.
Back in my Senior Moderator days, I think I was privy to more complaints about Frosty's "performance" than all of the other Moderators together. To piously claim that his demise was the result of how he handled just one post is a nonsense. It may have been the last straw, but in my opinion, the Senior Moderators have tolerated Frosty's peccadilloes for about a year longer than they should have, probably sensing that a backlash like this would be a result. While they were right in guessing how the site may react, they also did the right thing by removing an extremely troublesome Moderator.
And as for Mod-bashing, and singling out Joni for special attention, I think that that is just symptomatic of a huge degree of immaturity from some contributors. Joni deserves better.
It's really hard finding competent and dedicated people who are prepared to volunteer large parts of their lives to keep this site alive and ticking. The brutal and inane displays of petulance at times like this make it that much harder to retain the talent pool we currently enjoy. Those of you who have been engaging in mindless displays of Mod-slagging should be ashamed of yourselves.
Thanks for explaining a bit more Mr H.
I think the important thing to grasp is that Frosty's 'sacking' as a Mod is no reflection of his personality and all that he does. I suspect he just does not suit the qualifications of a Mod. It may only be an internet site but it has to be run as a united front whether this is popular with members or not.
Being a Mod has nothing to do with how long you have held a licence for, how many posts you have etc as this are not relevant to being able to apply rules etc.
If we found out the precise details would it in the long run make any difference. Possibly not now and it may even promote more crap which we don't really need and it is really Frosty's battle not ours......bit like voting for a Govt, at end of day it is just a different bunch of people and in the grand scheme of things not a lot of real difference except it gives people something to moan about.....which happens a lot here.
I think everyone has made their points. Yes I do hear a lot of anti-Joni stories, however, there will be equal numbers if not more that are pro-Joni like some people think I am Gay or a Plonker.........it's life, we cannot please everyone and to be honest unless you have actually met Joni (sorry to mention you again) you cannot really make an informed opinion....I did a bloody good job of convincing people that I was Gay..........despite being seperated and having shared custody of Nats yet people seem to overlook this...well just trying to make a point.
I think we expect Mods to be unemotional and for those who have experienced bad feedback from a Mod, maybe you need to look at how you approached the Mod...it does take 2 to tango, but only one hand to masterbate................mmm, I think that is what I am trying to say....
El Dopa
18th November 2007, 19:53
Hitcher, with the very greatest of respect, I find your reply disengeneous in the extreme.
Until a few months ago I had the privilege to be a Senior Moderator. As such I was privy to some discussions that other Moderators (like I am now) and Kiwi Biker members don't get to see. Trust me when I say it's pretty ugly at times in the back room..
Of this I have no doubt. There are a dozen or so shitheads on this forum who I really wish would just fuck off and die. Either that or take a crash course in how to live in a civilised society.
But this is 'a site for all new zealand motorcyclists'. I have to take the rough with the very rough.
Another point that needs to be kept in mind here is to disassociate what Frosty does outside KB, such as worthy work organising track days and the like, and what he does (or does not do) on KB as a Moderator..
Utterly impossible. As has been pointed out before, the difference between this forum, and a yank forum or global forum is the amount of real world interaction available to the members. It ain't just about the cyberspace in this case.
Back in my Senior Moderator days, I think I was privy to more complaints about Frosty's "performance" than all of the other Moderators together. To piously claim that his demise was the result of how he handled just one post is a nonsense. It may have been the last straw, but in my opinion, the Senior Moderators have tolerated Frosty's peccadilloes for about a year longer than they should have, probably sensing that a backlash like this would be a result. While they were right in guessing how the site may react, they also did the right thing by removing an extremely troublesome Moderator.
It's really hard finding competent and dedicated people who are prepared to volunteer large parts of their lives to keep this site alive and ticking.
As I believe I have pointed out before, I have no doubt that there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that goes on that I and all the other non-mod members are blissfully unaware of.
I do not envy the mods. I don't want the job, and I doubt I could do the job.
But, but, but......the hands which govern best govern lightest.
In the last year or so, the philosophy of this site has moved from 'softlee softlee we'll mod the monkeys' to: "wallop! don't do that or I'll smack you again."
When I lived in the UK, there was a big annual festival called the Notting Hill Carnival in the centre of London that I attended a couple of times.
Always a policing nightmare, but over the 30-odd years that the cops had been policing it, they had worked out that strictly enforcing the absolute letter of the law, and arresting petty little crims for petty little crimes can and did lead to large-scale rioting.
So now they sit back in the background and turn a blind eye to the small stuff: weed being openly smoked, public urination, unlicensed alcohol sales, sound systems too loud for too long etc, etc.
If anything gets really out of hand, they move in quick, grab the offender nice and quietly, and deal with it all nice and calmly off to one side.
I'm sure I don't need to spell it out to you any clearer, but I will for the benefit of those at the back:
Heavy-handed policing leads to upset masses and and increased danger of riot precipitation.
Hands-off policing generally leads to trouble-free events.
NotaGoth
18th November 2007, 19:54
We're fucked! This member has invented time travel!
Wow, thats so amazing
Kiwifire72
18th November 2007, 19:55
We're fucked! This member has invented time travel!
Well said
just because one has only posted 4 times does not mean a bloody thing
Hitcher
18th November 2007, 19:55
Frosty feels, rightly or wrongly, that this decision was unfair. We, who suppport Frosty as a "thoroughly good bloke", would also like to know what happened.
I have no doubt that Frosty believes that this is "unfair". But as I said earlier, this action was not the result of just one event. It has been a long time in the gestation -- well over a year by my recall -- and the matter has been raised with Frosty on several occasions I can remember when I was amongst the ranks of the Senior Moderators. I have no knowledge of any discussions that the Seniors may have had since I left, but it is pretty clear that this has exercised them to a point that they believed that they had no other course of action available to them.
For the purposes of responding to this thread, I am not going to judge Frosty other than as a Moderator. Whether or not is a "thoroughly good bloke" in a broader context is not really relevant to his unwillingness/inability to moderate even-handedly and in accordance with this site's rules and guidelines.
Your Senior Moderators are also "thoroughly good blokes" who, if they are to be faulted, probably cut Frosty too much slack for too long.
It's worth remembering too that Kiwi Biker is not a democracy. Moderator appointments are by invitation, and continued existence as a Moderator (when not at a Moderator's personal discretion) is based on performance and usually after considerable angst-ridden discussion, given that most Mods are generally well-regarded by some site members.
While I understand your and others' concern about Frosty's moderating demise, whether or not they decide to post a detailed forensic analysis of their decision is completely in the hands of the Senior Moderators.
rainman
18th November 2007, 19:59
One of the things that Senior Moderators get involved in is feedback about the performance of Moderators, and they also have a range of tools that allow what Mods do to be observed and quantified. There are some great Moderators on this site, some who are still learning the dark art of moderation, a very few whose performance has been sub-optimal and a couple who have caused no end of trouble.
Back in my Senior Moderator days, I think I was privy to more complaints about Frosty's "performance" than all of the other Moderators together. To piously claim that his demise was the result of how he handled just one post is a nonsense. It may have been the last straw, but in my opinion, the Senior Moderators have tolerated Frosty's peccadilloes for about a year longer than they should have, probably sensing that a backlash like this would be a result. While they were right in guessing how the site may react, they also did the right thing by removing an extremely troublesome Moderator.
Perhaps the problem is that the performance standards that the moderators are acting on when taking decisions (like firing mods) are not available for all to see. If this was a real job (as opposed to a thankless one :) ), there would be a role description, KPIs, the whole shebang. But in the absence of even some vague guidelines that all can see, the only people who can judge if the mods are being reasonable are the mods themselves - hardly an ideal situation. Who watches the watchers? Perhaps SpankMe, but that makes for a Management Structure, which is unlikely to sit well with a community of motorcyclists. And, as I said in my earlier post - the community health here is less good than a few days ago. Which may give cause for alarm in sensible minds, or not.
(I searched for mod responsibilities and found "to keep the site running smoothly, to protect the reputation of the site and its owner, to maintain order and ensure the site's standards of behaviour are adhered to" but that doesn't seem to be specific enough to fire someone. Not to mention the "standards" are a bit vague, judging by the posts that have gone to PD in this thread alone).
Now, as some of the proles half suspect the mods are power-mad and abusing their authority (see my earlier post for a view of why this may be so), events like firing Frosty with no scrutiny of the decision draw the ire of all or most of his friends and admirers, and reinforce the view that the mods are power-mad... etc. I believe it's called a vicious cycle (or is that the M109R, maybe it's a circle?)...
Perhaps the mods are taking things a wee bit seriously? After all, as us proles are frequently reminded, it's just an Internet site. Do you really need all of these rules, and firing people for poor performance, and associated shit?
Once again much of the "discussion" relating to this matter has been one-sided -- in Frosty's favour.
Well, yerssss, no-one else from "the other side" is participating in the discussion, are they?
El Dopa
18th November 2007, 20:03
Perhaps the problem is that the performance standards that the moderators are acting on when taking decisions (like firing mods) are not available for all to see. If this was a real job (as opposed to a thankless one :) ), there would be a role description, KPIs, the whole shebang. But in the absence of even some vague guidelines that all can see, the only people who can judge if the mods are being reasonable are the mods themselves - hardly an ideal situation. Who watches the watchers? Perhaps SpankMe, but that makes for a Management Structure, which is unlikely to sit well with a community of motorcyclists. And, as I said in my earlier post - the community health here is less good than a few days ago. Which may give cause for alarm in sensible minds, or not.
(I searched for mod responsibilities and found "to keep the site running smoothly, to protect the reputation of the site and its owner, to maintain order and ensure the site's standards of behaviour are adhered to" but that doesn't seem to be specific enough to fire someone. Not to mention the "standards" are a bit vague, judging by the posts that have gone to PD in this thread alone).
Now, as some of the proles half suspect the mods are power-mad and abusing their authority (see my earlier post for a view of why this may be so), events like firing Frosty with no scrutiny of the decision draw the ire of all or most of his friends and admirers, and reinforce the view that the mods are power-mad... etc. I believe it's called a vicious cycle (or is that the M109R, maybe it's a circle?)...
Perhaps the mods are taking things a wee bit seriously? After all, as us proles are frequently reminded, it's just an Internet site. Do you really need all of these rules, and firing people for poor performance, and associated shit?
Well, yerssss, no-one else from "the other side" is participating in the discussion, are they?
Now that's what I was trying to say, but, um, didn't.....
Kiwifire72
18th November 2007, 20:05
Hitcher are you above the law??????????
I will ask you for a second time please explain your actions and comments towrds a female member of this forum
Fatjim
18th November 2007, 20:06
it is better to be silent and thought a fool, than opens ones mouth and leave no doubt.
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 20:11
Hitcher are you above the law??????????
I will ask you for a second time please explain your actions and comments towrds a female member of this forum
What Law? We are all equal and the only thing that would be wrong would be if gender was prejudiced which it has not, he did not call her any derogatory names, just told her to 'Fuck off'...........something men and women say to men / women.
I think you have a cheek to insist that Mr H should come to your party.
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 20:13
the rain in spain.....................
MSTRS
18th November 2007, 20:14
There is another thread for general mod bashing. This one is for the pros and cons of Frosty's "sacking'
Kiwifire72
18th November 2007, 20:14
What Law? We are all equal and the only thing that would be wrong would be if gender was prejudiced which it has not, he did not call her any derogatory names, just told her to 'Fuck off'...........something men and women say to men / women.
I think you have a cheek to insist that Mr H should come to your party.
in your world it may be ok to tell a woman to fuck off but I think most woman would dislike even the thought of being told to fuck off
rainman
18th November 2007, 20:17
It's worth remembering too that Kiwi Biker is not a democracy.
Perhaps so. But what model does it aspire to?
Kiwifire72
18th November 2007, 20:18
What Law? We are all equal and the only thing that would be wrong would be if gender was prejudiced which it has not, he did not call her any derogatory names, just told her to 'Fuck off'...........something men and women say to men / women.
I think you have a cheek to insist that Mr H should come to your party.
And in reference to the law the mods are the law aren't they they have the power to hire, fire as they have shown us and remove what they feel is not to their personal liking
they want us to come to their party well they can be polite and come to ours
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 20:20
in your world it may be ok to tell a woman to fuck off but I think most woman would dislike even the thought of being told to fuck off
Well I was born on the tough streets of London, but not my world. I have never told a women to fuck off , however, putting things in perspective a women can tell a guy to fuck off then why can't a guy tell a women to fuck off.
This just highlights that we often read what we want to read as with you where somehow you decided that I thought that I lived in a world where telling a woman to fuck off is acceptable.............I actually cannot remember the last time I told a bloke to fuck off.
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 20:21
And in reference to the law the mods are the law aren't they they have the power to hire, fire as they have shown us and remove what they feel is not to their personal liking
they want us to come to their party well they can be polite and come to ours
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They are not the law. They just run the place according to a set of rules.
ATEZZR
18th November 2007, 20:25
They are not the law. They just run the place according to a set of rules.
Yer but who made these ever changing set of rules
Hitcher
18th November 2007, 20:26
Hitcher are you above the law??????????
I will ask you for a second time please explain your actions and comments towrds a female member of this forum
Explain what? What "law"? No threats were offered. Yes, I may have been rudely blunt, but that "female" member, a bit like yourself at the moment, clearly had no intention of listening to anything but bluntness. In my opinion.
Kiwifire72
18th November 2007, 20:27
oh so the rules say that a MOD can in public forum tell am member of this forum and a Female member no less to F OFF
???????????????????????
Hitcher
18th November 2007, 20:27
Perhaps so. But what model does it aspire to?
Giselle Bundchen.
Virago
18th November 2007, 20:27
isn't it funny that the mod are perm sitting in this thread watching and waiting to pounce.
Do you have a roster all set up????
Who has got the grave yard shift over night????
Nah, you might be here all on your own. Try not to get too angry, think of your blood pressure...:zzzz:
doc
18th November 2007, 20:29
They are not the law. They just run the place according to a set of rules.
Sort of like Law enforcement. You aint one of those tree hugging terrorists are you ?
Kiwifire72
18th November 2007, 20:29
Explain what? What "law"? No threats were offered. Yes, I may have been rudely blunt, but that "female" member, a bit like yourself at the moment, clearly had no intention of listening to anything but bluntness. In my opinion.
What a Fucken joke
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 20:30
oh so the rules say that a MOD can in public forum tell am member of this forum and a Female member no less to F OFF
???????????????????????
Hitcher is a member like you.....is there a Law that says he cannot say what he said...aha Datanyin...........ho ho and away............
ATEZZR
18th November 2007, 20:30
Explain what? What "law"? No threats were offered. Yes, I may have been rudely blunt, but that "female" member, a bit like yourself at the moment, clearly had no intention of listening to anything but bluntness. In my opinion.
This member would listen to what you have to say provided you have read emails and pm sent to said sacked mod. As i have
Hitcher
18th November 2007, 20:30
What a Fucken joke
You are clearly easily amused.
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 20:30
What a Fucken joke
Please don't swear...I am offended
MSTRS
18th November 2007, 20:31
What a Fucken joke
Not much to laugh about for the rest of us
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 20:31
Sort of like Law enforcement. You aint one of those tree hugging terrorists are you ?
So I like hugs...........:innocent:
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 20:32
Nah, you might be here all on your own. Try not to get too angry, think of your blood pressure...:zzzz:
But but you need blood and it is after dark...............
rainman
18th November 2007, 20:32
Giselle Bundchen.
I suppose I asked for that, good to see you still have a sense of humour. :clap:
Any chance of a serious answer, though? I really would like to know what informs the thinking of the mods. Should I start a poll, so you can see the perspective of the proles? You could consider it a 360 degree review :dodge:
Kickaha
18th November 2007, 20:33
How true is that i believe joni and kickaha are united arn't they and we all know who wheres the pants as well.
When I'm really good she lets me wear her Lingerie as well :bleh:
Kiwifire72
18th November 2007, 20:33
Nah, you might be here all on your own. Try not to get too angry, think of your blood pressure...:zzzz:
You Mods must be bloody worried to be monitoring this thread so closely you are all hovering around it like a bad smell
If you all had nothing to hide then you would have all come out as a group and said hey this is what happened here are the reasons and we can all move on and live happily ever after
But NO you guys are not saying a word
Hitcher
18th November 2007, 20:33
This member would listen to what you have to say provided you have read emails and pm sent to said sacked mod. As i have
Which tells you everything you need to know. Clearly.
MSTRS
18th November 2007, 20:33
This member would listen to what you have to say provided you have read emails and pm sent to said sacked mod. As i have
If said PM was posted for all to see, then the rest of us would know that Frostie told the truth in his first post. Or not. Then the issue could be got past.
ATEZZR
18th November 2007, 20:36
Which tells you everything you need to know. Clearly.
Tells us a lot more than you appear to know
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 20:37
You Mods must be bloody worried to be monitoring this thread so closely you are all hovering around it like a bad smell
If you all had nothing to hide then you would have all come out as a group and said hey this is what happened here are the reasons and we can all move on and live happily ever after
But NO you guys are not saying a word
I'm sorry but have you read this thread. Mr H has explained a little which is enough......why do we need an explanation to be able to move forward.
It took the relatives of the Locherbie bomb 10 years of explanation to move forward. Sad though it was they knew what happened months after the tragedy, terriorists bombed the plane........there is a hint in there.
Hitcher
18th November 2007, 20:38
Tells us a lot more than you appear to know
And your dad's a Policeman too, no doubt. I am shitting myself.
ATEZZR
18th November 2007, 20:39
If said PM was posted for all to see, then the rest of us would know that Frostie told the truth in his first post. Or not. Then the issue could be got past.
This is true but do you think the smods would have a bar of it. Maybe we could just forward to them rather than posting them on this thread.
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 20:39
And your dad's a Policeman too, no doubt. I am shitting myself.
In that case you mudst be an evil arsehole:eek:
justsomeguy
18th November 2007, 20:40
If said PM was posted for all to see, then the rest of us would know that Frostie told the truth in his first post. Or not. Then the issue could be got past.
Mate, now I love Frosty as much or more than others as he was one of the 1st KB'ers I met years ago. In time I got to know the kind of guy he was and the same with Ixion.
So I find it hard to understand how people like him could do something to upset people. My original post on the subject was moved to the drivel pile.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1298859#post1298859
The mods in question claim they have nothing to fear and have done the right thing, then why are they so reluctant to post the full matter? Why are they hiding things?
ATEZZR
18th November 2007, 20:42
And your dad's a Policeman too, no doubt. I am shitting myself.
You are losing it mate what the hell are you talking about.
Oh by the way my dad past away two months ago.
Kiwifire72
18th November 2007, 20:42
I'm sorry but have you read this thread. Mr H has explained a little which is enough......why do we need an explanation to be able to move forward.
It took the relatives of the Locherbie bomb 10 years of explanation to move forward. Sad though it was they knew what happened months after the tragedy, terriorists bombed the plane........there is a hint in there.
That little that Mr H ( wow that makes him sound so important) as you so call him has explained is obviously not enough for the majority as they have post over 300 reply's to Frosty's initial post and are still doing so and untill the MOD's come clean and out in the open they will keep posting in support of Frosty
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 20:44
Mate, now I love Frosty as much or more than others as he was one of the 1st KB'ers I met years ago. In time I got to know the kind of guy he was and the same with Ixion.
So I find it hard to understand how people like him could do something to upset people. My original post on the subject was moved to the drivel pile.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1298859#post1298859
The mods in question claim they have nothing to fear and have done the right thing, then why are they so reluctant to post the full matter? Why are they hiding things?
What would be the point if the Mod's gave their full story. Would it change things? "No" because they some would claim it was bullshit and we would be in the same place.
What is there for the Mod's to fear? This is an internet site.
So your post was PD'd.....maybe it was dribble, who knows, but your post was read by all so not lost.
Her_C4
18th November 2007, 20:47
..... for the majority as they have post over 300 reply's to Frosty's initial post
woo hooo and rather telling that over 6% of them are yours!!! :shutup:
ATEZZR
18th November 2007, 20:48
When I'm really good she lets me wear her Lingerie as well :bleh:
What do you have to get your strapadicktome out of the draw
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 20:48
That little that Mr H ( wow that makes him sound so important) as you so call him has explained is obviously not enough for the majority as they have post over 300 reply's to Frosty's initial post and are still doing so and untill the MOD's come clean and out in the open they will keep posting in support of Frosty
Arrr, the impatient masses looking for a bite
309 replies (not all by different members), over 6,000 views....and the winner by a large margin is...wait for it wait for it..............sorry we have to take a break for our sponsor.....we will be back soon....................
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 20:49
woo hooo and rather telling that over 6% of them are yours!!! :shutup:
Whoo...hooo
justsomeguy
18th November 2007, 20:50
This thread is going from bad to worse. You guys need to either post the PM's and lock the thread.
Or don't post them, say enough's enough and lock the thread.
Things are starting to look very disgraceful.
The biking world in NZ is a very small place and most of us know each other in the real world.
It's time to act like adults and bring this matter to a conclusion.
rainman
18th November 2007, 20:50
It took the relatives of the Locherbie bomb 10 years of explanation to move forward. Sad though it was they knew what happened months after the tragedy, terriorists bombed the plane........there is a hint in there.
Whoah! Someone needs to lighten up. This is just an internet site, dude. In the Lockerbie bombing people died....
ATEZZR
18th November 2007, 20:50
woo hooo and rather telling that over 6% of them are yours!!! :shutup:
Have you read said emails and pm. All of them
Kiwifire72
18th November 2007, 20:51
woo hooo and rather telling that over 6% of them are yours!!! :shutup:
So and your point is and who has the time to crunch the figures on who posts what percentage in a particular thread god you mods are pathectic
Her_C4
18th November 2007, 20:51
What do you have to get your strapadicktome out of the draw
Ummm no - I believe that belongs to another member:2thumbsup....:Playnice:
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 20:52
Whoah! Someone needs to lighten up. This is just an internet site, dude. In the Lockerbie bombing people died....
No quite relaxed, eating a whole carton of custard, yum yum..........I was just using this as an example....yes people died but they spent 10 years asking for answers and that was my point......
Mom
18th November 2007, 21:01
Thought I might try to get a sensible (IMO anyway) word in here......
OK so your saying and you know for a fact that ATEZZER is not a woman or female?????
and that he was within his right to speak to her in that way?????
Think you need to be around here a bit longer before getting upset about something like this.....report the post as abusive and get the mods to sort it out if it is deemed necessary.
......... I have no knowledge of any discussions that the Seniors may have had since I left....
This is a good place for you to stop commenting maybe. While I have no doubt that there is much, much more to all this than meets the eye, I feel what you did or did not do when you were a senior mod is irrelevant to this situation. Fact is FROSTY has been fired (for want of a better term) as a mod, for reasons unstated.
This fact, has upset a reasonable number of members who simply want to know what happened. If there is nothing for the Senior Moderators to be concerned about regarding the decision to tell FROSTY he is no longer a moderator, in such a way that he feels he can no longer particiapte on the forums, then lets hear it!
MSTRS
18th November 2007, 21:06
Ummm no - I believe that belongs to another member:2thumbsup....:Playnice:
Do you think that responses like this will increase respect for the mods??
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 21:08
Do you think that responses like this will increase respect for the mods??
Oh yes...............I do.........it was funny.............
Her_C4
18th November 2007, 21:08
What??
As a member of this site first and foremost, I am not allowed a sense of humour???
Jeeze - lighten up!!!:girlfight:
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 21:09
Thought I might try to get a sensible (IMO anyway) word in here......
Think you need to be around here a bit longer before getting upset about something like this.....report the post as abusive and get the mods to sort it out if it is deemed necessary.
This is a good place for you to stop commenting maybe. While I have no doubt that there is much, much more to all this than meets the eye, I feel what you did or did not do when you were a senior mod is irrelevant to this situation. Fact is FROSTY has been fired (for want of a better term) as a mod, for reasons unstated.
This fact, has upset a reasonable number of members who simply want to know what happened. If there is nothing for the Senior Moderators to be concerned about regarding the decision to tell FROSTY he is no longer a moderator, in such a way that he feels he can no longer particiapte on the forums, then lets hear it!
If there is nothing to defend they why justify oneself........if they are happy with the decision then that is what matters. If they tried to defend then you would say that they are trying to cover up......
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 21:10
What??
As a member of this site first and foremost, I am not allowed a sense of humour???
Jeeze - lighten up!!!:girlfight:
Exactemont................NZ The Land of the Long Political Cloud
Gixxer 4 ever
18th November 2007, 21:10
I got an infraction last night and still stand by what I said. However to some people this is just another internet site. But to the Hawkes Bay group it is a meeting and planning place. I have enough info from this event to tell you we are not going to get the answers we want.
Well not in this forum anyway. It is a clash of personalities and a rift that will pull this place apart. I have had a lot to say and paid the price for saying it but we need to remember people need some respect. It is time to close this thread and move on. I can say both parties have done wrong to some extent but this is over the top.
I could post more info but it will not stop the questions because the seat of the problem is a conflict of personalities. IE how people perceive things. This is going to implode and stuff the place we in Hawkes Bay call home.
Stop.
PM Frosty and Joni and Kickaha but stop pulling this place apart. Move on.
Support the people you want to support. My vote goes to Tony
rainman
18th November 2007, 21:11
No quite relaxed, eating a whole carton of custard, yum yum..........I was just using this as an example....yes people died but they spent 10 years asking for answers and that was my point......
I think I was trying to say that waiting 10 years for answers about something serious like Lockerbie is understandable (in a sense). Little or no response from the mods about an unpopular decision they took, given the relative lower seriousness, is in itself telling.
Earlier on you said:
What would be the point if the Mod's gave their full story. Would it change things? "No" because they some would claim it was bullshit and we would be in the same place.
What is there for the Mod's to fear? This is an internet site.
Indeed. What is there for the mods to fear?
Already we're in a different place - and through poor handling of this issue the mods have allowed it to become a bigger deal than it perhaps should have been. For the mods to say "Frosty's performance has been bad for a long time, we should have fired him long ago, but trust us, we know what we're doing, we don't need to explain the standards we use to manage you proles" creates more us-and-them-ism. Which as I've explained earlier, is a bad thing that will weaken and maybe destroy this site.
At this stage I no longer give a shit about the specifics of Frosty's abilities as a mod or not (I've never even met him, to my knowledge) - but I'm more concerned about the management of this site and to what degree I want to be associated with KB. Perhaps it's not a democracy. But is it a benevolent dictatorship?
Virago
18th November 2007, 21:12
No quite relaxed, eating a whole carton of custard...
Shhh, don't mention the "Custard".
Oh no, too late...:blank:
Mom
18th November 2007, 21:12
If they tried to defend then you would say that they are trying to cover up......
Please dont put words in my mouth :msn-wink:
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 21:14
Shhh, don't mention the "Custard".
Oh no, too late...:blank:
Yeah, you have to be careful because if you microwave for too long the carton explodes and you get 'custard' everywhere............luckily it only stays in the microwave and not the 'real' world.........
Kiwifire72
18th November 2007, 21:14
What??
As a member of this site first and foremost, I am not allowed a sense of humour???
Jeeze - lighten up!!!:girlfight:
First and formost people see you as a MOD
then a member second
remember this is NOT a democracy and you have decided to be part of the dictatorship
and a member second
Qkkid
18th November 2007, 21:16
Shhh, don't mention the "Custard".
Oh no, too late...:blank:
Shit someone mention custard :bleh:
Joni doesnt like custard :baby:
:oi-grr:Now listen her Mr Virago hows that mean lookin machine you ride going:niceone:
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 21:18
First and formost people see you as a MOD
then a member second
remember this is NOT a democracy and you have decided to be part of the dictatorship
and a member second
Sorry, reading what you said I am not sure who is the dicator...how can you say what they decide..........
So a member becomes a Mod.........member was first...........well normally the first one comes first doesn't it.
So you have made a genitalisation............I see people with a common interest......over 7,000 views now and just a tad over 300 replies by less than a 100 members so guess the majority speaks..........but hey what do I know....feel free to comment.
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 21:19
Shit someone mention custard :bleh:
Joni doesnt like custard :baby:
:oi-grr:Now listen her Mr Virago hows that mean lookin machine you ride going:niceone:
It's Swiss Maid....................
Her_C4
18th November 2007, 21:20
First and formost people see you as a MOD
then a member second
remember this is NOT a democracy and you have decided to be part of the dictatorship
and a member second
Nooooooo, I believe I am quite clear that regardless of what 'some' members here think - I am a member on KB first.
Second to that, I am a moderator...
But hey thanks for the opinion!:niceone:
Qkkid
18th November 2007, 21:20
It's Swiss Maid....................
You missed the joke :niceone:
gammaguy
18th November 2007, 21:21
So you have made a genitalisation......
is that the same as a cock-up?
Hitcher
18th November 2007, 21:22
Maybe somebody should organise a hikoi.
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 21:23
I think I was trying to say that waiting 10 years for answers about something serious like Lockerbie is understandable (in a sense). Little or no response from the mods about an unpopular decision they took, given the relative lower seriousness, is in itself telling.
My point, albeit it in an odd way, was that we know what happened so what is the point flogging a horse.
On a side note, I guess if I was one of the relatives, I would just deal with the grief of losing a loved one and would just get on with life....it was soon known what happened and to me no amount of restitution would change that
rainman
18th November 2007, 21:24
So you have made a genitalisation............
LOL! Well, that's one way of saying you think he's being a dick! :)
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 21:24
You missed the joke :niceone:
No I didn't.........you missed me pretending I missed the joke.......he he.....
chanceyy
18th November 2007, 21:25
Nooooooo, I believe I am quite clear that regardless of what 'some' members here think - I am a member on KB first.
Second to that, I am a moderator...
But hey thanks for the opinion!:niceone:
have to agree ... member first, for sure .. mod second ..
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 21:26
LOL! Well, that's one way of saying you think he's being a dick! :)
No it was aimed at you...............but agree lots of laughs tonight, just wish I had bought 2 cartons of custard................
MVnut
18th November 2007, 21:31
Maybe if all the mods (senior & others, due to 'conflict of interest') stood down, we (the members of KB, including the ex-mods)could vote for some new mods. Spank would need to finally appoint them of course, and then the truth may come out. "Power to the People." (Che Guevara):headbang:
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 21:33
Maybe if all the mods (senior & others, due to 'conflict of interest') stood down, we (the members of KB, including the ex-mods)could vote for some new mods. Spank would need to finally appoint them of course, and then the truth may come out. "Power to the People." (Che Guevara):headbang:
Trubs is that the vote would not be unanimous, bit like a Govt being voted into power when 40% did not vote for them.
MVnut
18th November 2007, 21:34
Trubs is that the vote would not be unanimous, bit like a Govt being voted into power when 40% did not vote for them.
As I said.....Spank would have the last say.
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 21:36
As I said.....Spank would have the last say.
Dunno about that...........then what happens if he makes a decision and what makes you think he doesn't have the last say anyway.
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 21:39
I think everyone has made their points. Yes I do hear a lot of anti-Joni stories, however, there will be equal numbers if not more that are pro-Joni like some people think I am Gay or a Plonker.........it's life, we cannot please everyone and to be honest unless you have actually met Joni (sorry to mention you again) you cannot really make an informed opinion....I did a bloody good job of convincing people that I was Gay..........QUOTE]
I disagree big time sorry matey
Well if this is the case where is joni
She is staying very clear of this debate
Do you wanna know why???
I dare you to say it or do you want some help.
:shit: i thought you were gay
Thanks for letting me know:yawn:
Apology accepted Sir.
Yeah but you still let me sleep in the same room as you that time.....
I don't really want to know why...........if I was her I would just turn the other cheek...............or both cheeks;)
MVnut
18th November 2007, 21:39
Dunno about that...........then what happens if he makes a decision and what makes you think he doesn't have the last say anyway.
Well before you misunderstand me yet again, let's just see if the mods are up to it ey
Grahameeboy
18th November 2007, 21:40
Well before you misunderstand me yet again, let's just see if the mods are up to it ey
What are they upto??
PS - Sorry forgotten who has misunderstood now
MVnut
18th November 2007, 21:42
What are they upto??
PS - Sorry forgotten who has misunderstood now
..............standing down.......... PS 'Sorry' accepted lol
Rhino
18th November 2007, 22:05
You've wasted a shit load of space on KB, sweety, and been allowed to get away with it.
Looking at your posting total, she hasn't wasted anything like the bandwidth that you have.
Cajun
18th November 2007, 22:28
Sorry for people think this is blunt, but i been at an xmas party and a bit tipsy and well doing what people should be doing riding/fiddling with motorbikes half the weekend
Some of you know me i am pretty quiet chap, but not mix words, and don't really in with the bullshit/politics that goes on, and more the direct to point person.
I like Tony alot, i have alot of time and respect for him as a person, and has a wealth of knowledge of motorcycles, and will help him if he never needed a hand.
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Mods are here to inforce the rules, of the site, and as such, should be able to abide to them to a higher standard than the average user.
And as a mod you are not allowed to mod anything you have a vested interest in (aka you activly debating in such thread, or partner is active member of thread[aka i not allowed to mod anything dealing with motogirl, as much as i would like to at times].
Tony, would regular delete posts from posts that he did not agree with or people he didn't really like, many time given posts are disgreeing with his information. (i know this is sometimes hard to do, thats why there is a team of mods, since if you have an issue you can get someone unbais to look at it and they can decide what happens)
Tony would often post in the wrong sections of the forum on purpose due to fact certain areas get more members viewing so wants that extra exposure.
He was warned many times about such actions, in turn wanted to be micromanaged in his role as a mod. Which honstly why we have someone as a mod if you have to micromanage them in there job.
I know the issues with Tony have been going on for a long time, i have no idea what happened previous to me becoming on as a SeniorMod, i can only say what i have seen myself.
And as such, Spankme was informed all steps of the way, if he disgreed with our actions he could have steped in, but did not
On another note - Some of his actions are what many people complain about what the mods do which should not. You can't have it both ways
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Like anything some of you have heard one part of the story and are jumping to colusions, from one side. This is the way i see it, you can believe it or not.
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And as KB becomes more and more southern focused the absence of interest by the mods and Heaven Born in non-southern issues is more and more noticeable. The cheescutter campaign is an excellent exammple. It's a matter of very great importance to Aucklanders , because that's where the vast majority of cheescutters are. Yes, other areas have put their shoulder to the wheel, but Auckland is where it hurts. And, unsurprisingly the campaign was started by Mr Spankme, an Aucklander. And equally unsurprisingly, none of the rest of the mods or Heaven Born have shown the slightest interest. And in some cases have actively worked against it. So that's one example of where not having any Auckland representation is an issue.Well Ixion i was at the cheesecutter protest ride, many people know i am always here to help in anyway i can, I know it was only a small role, but i helped walk around at the domain with a clipboard collecting signtures.
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I also note thats always the same sorta people that come for the bash the mod type of posts.
And honstly its people like that that make it hard to find mods in the first place, in my short time as a smod i have asked some well respected members of KB, if they would be interest in joining the mod team, but they turn down due to fact, they get abused for trying to keep the site clean/orginised. And then in turn with a some mods, are made to feel like an outside at kb rides/events.
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Jorja
18th November 2007, 23:13
Cajun can I ask if you are aware of where the deletions you are refering to take place?
Is it for example in the mechanical forums?
Could the advice deleted be along the lines of "spray Crc on your brake disk to quieten down the squeaking'?
Or could the deleted posts have been contravening the specific forum rules put in place by Spank Me?
There do apear to be many posts that disagree with Frostys point of view in the mechanical forums.They don't apear to be affected. I can see several posts by Robert Taylor attacking Frosty for example.They don't apear to be modified.
Are you aware of one single person Frosty dislikes? Honestly? He in my experience doesn't know how to dislike anyone.
Are you aware of any moderator other than Frosty or perhaps Kickaha who could make an informed decision regarding the tecnical sections. Joni Perhaps?
Wasn't he put in the untenable position of having to wear both the moderator and technical advisor hat simultaneusly?
I could be wrong being only a girl and a novice biker but doesn't
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/announcement.php?f=70
pretty well cover that situation off?
You say on several occasions threads were started in the wrong forum.
As i understand itthere were in fact TWO threads not several as alluded to.
One the castrol 6 hour thread authored by codgyoldracer.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=60329
The thread moved by Spank Me to General biker ravings and his decision overruled by Joni
Can I ask did Joni ask permission before overruling the decision made by the owner of this site?
theother is http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=61003
Posted by Frosty in General Biker Ravings and moved by senior moderators. As I understand it he was infracted for posting in the incorrect forum.
Interesting Cajun that you are one of the first to post in that thread and saw nothing wrong with its placement.
Is it possible that the "issue" lies in another place other than the moderator being targeted?
By impartial and balanced decision do you perhaps refer to
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1239408&postcount=91
as an example of good moderation.
Regarding being micromanaged. So what you are saying is that Frosty made an apology for stepping on toes and asked to be advised if he did so. Sounds tome a case of someone trying to "toe the party line' and being offered no assistance to do so.
Are you able to confirm or deny that an ultimatum was sent to yourself, Kickaha Spank me and Frosty by Joni 24 hours before the "impartial" decision was made?
In Frostys first post here he has made it clear that he is happy for that private message to be made public knowledge.Are the senior moderators happy to be as transparent.
Ixion
18th November 2007, 23:21
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Are you able to confirm or deny that an ultimatum was sent to yourself, Kickaha Spank me and Frosty by Joni 24 hours before the "impartial" decision was made?
Ah. This has a familiar sound to it. He who runes may rede.
The Stranger
18th November 2007, 23:27
And as a mod you are not allowed to mod anything you have a vested interest in (aka you activly debating in such thread, or partner is active member of thread[aka i not allowed to mod anything dealing with motogirl, as much as i would like to at times].
Tony, would regular delete posts from posts that he did not agree with or people he didn't really like, many time given posts are disgreeing with his information. (i know this is sometimes hard to do, thats why there is a team of mods, since if you have an issue you can get someone unbais to look at it and they can decide what happens)
Tony always commented to me that he would delete any mechanical related posts where the information was incorrect and he felt it could pose a safety issue. I actually believe this to be entirely appropriate behavior, it may be against the rules, but I do applaud the man for it, bloody good on Frosty for thinking for himself and for not blindly following the rules.
Would you rather he left bad advice there and risk someone actually following it?
Sure you can post countering a stupid argument, however that often just raises doubt, Frosty's approach removes doubt.
Like anything some of you have heard one part of the story and are jumping to colusions, from one side.
Thank you, we would appear to be in agreement that transparency is indeed desirable.
I also note thats always the same sorta people that come for the bash the mod type of posts.
What sorta people is that Cajun?
Most of those that I know personally whom are "bashing" the mods are damn nice people who feel very strongly and care about a man whom has become a very good friend.
Qkkid
19th November 2007, 00:37
Are you able to confirm or deny that an ultimatum was sent to yourself, Kickaha Spank me and Frosty by Joni 24 hours before the "impartial" decision was made?
In Frostys first post here he has made it clear that he is happy for that private message to be made public knowledge.
:clap:Now we are starting to get somewhere:yes:
Its very slow progress but now we are here lets take it a step further
What was put in the ultimatum so people can see it for what it is.
Lets be very clear
Who did the Ultimatum
Why was spankme being put in this position/decision
Who was going to leave if their ultimatum was not accepted
Lets be clear so all can see the truth behind whats happened :yes:
Its alright putting what you believe Frosty has done from your side but it is very heavy handed kinda behaviour Cajun.
Does it really fit the crime.
skidMark
19th November 2007, 00:48
Looking at your posting total, she hasn't wasted anything like the bandwidth that you have.
bwahahahah mega burnz
terbang
19th November 2007, 03:39
Like scumdog says, tell em to get farked..! However if you want to talk justice, try this: 19 year old local girl up here got raped by 4 guys and she recieved 200 lashes for getting into a car with men that she wasn't related to! Could have been worse, she could have been kicked off KB for a month.. Right?
James Deuce
19th November 2007, 05:39
Looking at your posting total, she hasn't wasted anything like the bandwidth that you have.
At least I post shit about bikes, not weepy bullshit about my pets and yet another relationship screw up that's everyone else's fault.
Kickaha
19th November 2007, 05:40
So both Hitcher and Cajun tell you why Frosty was removed and you''re still not happy?
Fucken hard to please some people isn't it
Yes a ultimatmum was sent due to an increasing amount of frustration with Frosty and his style of modding and I have no doubt it could have been worded better
Now did everyone read Hitchers post about what was happening when he was senior mod or did you all just skip that bit and would still like to think it was over a couple a incidents?
There's no doubt this could have been handled better, but you know what the end result would have been the same He still would have been removed and everyone would still be bitching
I think the important thing to grasp is that Frosty's 'sacking' as a Mod is no reflection of his personality and all that he does. I suspect he just does not suit the qualifications of a Mod. It may only be an internet site but it has to be run as a united front whether this is popular with members or not.
Being a Mod has nothing to do with how long you have held a licence for, how many posts you have etc as this are not relevant to being able to apply rules etc.
This guy got it spot on
Grahameeboy
19th November 2007, 05:56
This guy got it spot on
Ssccchhhhhh.....................my reputation?? Oh, I don't have one, Phew.
Trubs is people tend to only see things from their world and read what they want to read......"Frosty Sacked"..........."but he did so much for the community, blah blah"............"that's not fair." What they forget is that he is still good old Frosty, just not a Mod.
What they are really saying is that they want the site run the way they want but don't want to be a Mod.............urgh.
I got 6 green blings and 1 purple bling from Altezza about Hitcher's telling a female to fuck off.............not bad for a Mod lover eh? Interesting eh?
Paul in NZ
19th November 2007, 06:25
The mods in question claim they have nothing to fear and have done the right thing, then why are they so reluctant to post the full matter? Why are they hiding things?
Just maybe they like frosty as well? seriously - think about it...
Grahameeboy
19th November 2007, 06:28
Just maybe they like frosty as well? seriously - think about it...
Good point................................
James Deuce
19th November 2007, 06:41
Just maybe they like frosty as well? seriously - think about it...
That couldn't POSSIBLY be true. The Mods are an evil regime propping up an unjust system in the hope of one day ruling the world. From the Internet. Oh, but only people who profess to ride bikes and their wannabe hanger's on. Everybody else will just be infracted until their head explodes.
DMNTD
19th November 2007, 06:44
I had an AWESOME weekend motorcycling! Did over 800kms on both the Superduke and then the ZX14.
Any of you lot log off and do what this site is actually about? :scooter:
Grahameeboy
19th November 2007, 06:53
I had an AWESOME weekend motorcycling! Did over 800kms on both the Superduke and then the ZX14.
Any of you lot log off and do what this site is actually about? :scooter:
Yes I did. HDTBoy sorted my suspenders out........heaps better..............but some of us can multi task ya know............
PS-Vote DMNTD for Mod...........you know it makes sense
DMNTD
19th November 2007, 07:00
PS-Vote DMNTD for Mod...........you know it makes sense
Oh fark that!! Personally I don't agree with a few of the forum's rules plus idiots carrying on like the world depends on this place would drive me nuttier :blink:
I simply choose to take the "good" from KB and try and ignore the crap that I believe it has become...simple really.
I see both sides of the story but I also believe both sides are both right and wrong in their own ways IMO.
To be frank(yes you can be Judy), who gives a flying fark???
IT"S THE INTERNET!
Grahameeboy
19th November 2007, 07:05
Oh fark that!! Personally I don't agree with a few of the forum's rules plus idiots carrying on like the world depends on this place would drive me nuttier :blink:
I simply choose to take the "good" from KB and try and ignore the crap that I believe it has become...simple really.
I see both sides of the story but I also believe both sides are both right and wrong in their own ways IMO.
To be frank(yes you can be Judy), who gives a flying fark???
IT"S THE INTERNET!
Respect to you Chris...as always..........
There is generally more good than bad so I know where my votes goes.
Be marvellous eh
Jorja
19th November 2007, 07:23
Help!!
Frosty just saw me on his computer.
he is not a happy man.:doh:
he told me to go back to his last post in this thread
asking everybody to cool down.
Grahameeboy
19th November 2007, 07:25
Help!!
Frosty just saw me on his computer.
he is not a happy man.:doh:
he told me to go back to his last post in this thread
asking everybody to cool down.
Funny how they missed that bit eh..............too into moaning than respecting Frosty's wishes eh.............
MVnut
19th November 2007, 07:54
I had an AWESOME weekend motorcycling! Did over 800kms on both the Superduke and then the ZX14.
Any of you lot log off and do what this site is actually about? :scooter:
Some of us can do both..........hehehe Tamburini vs ZX14 at dawn,:first::second: ps good on ya for bringing up this point, I had a nice ride to Ackers Sunday early.
scumdog
19th November 2007, 07:59
I had an AWESOME weekend motorcycling! Did over 800kms on both the Superduke and then the ZX14.
Any of you lot log off and do what this site is actually about? :scooter:
Fuggup!
I nearly binned, scuffed me zorst to the max, wrenched my right knee, almost filled me Y-fronts AND got a nasty cut on the edge of the drive-belt on the Superglide.
KB is WAAAYY better than the above shit - it doesn't hurt and it's cheaper too.
DMNTD
19th November 2007, 08:02
Fuggup!
I nearly binned, scuffed me zorst to the max, wrenched my right knee, almost filled me Y-fronts AND got a nasty cut on the edge of the drive-belt on the Superglide.
KB is WAAAYY better than the above shit - it doesn't hurt and it's cheaper too.
LOL...sounds like some reckless driving charges could/should laid :Police:
Quasievil
19th November 2007, 08:05
Threats? I don't remember making any threats. If you haven't got anything useful to say, rather than taking pitifully cheap shots at people you don't know or care about, then Shut The Fuck Up. That's not a "threat" either, as there is no implied or stated concomitant action. It is a statement of opinion. Learn the difference.
And I'm not as big a man as I once was...
Just a point for clarification, is saying "shut the fuck up" okay ?
and is saying "Fuck Off" not okay (because I got infracted for the later you see)
just interested in the point for future reference.
:dodge:
Kwaka14
19th November 2007, 08:09
I had an AWESOME weekend motorcycling! Did over 800kms on both the Superduke and then the ZX14.
Any of you lot log off and do what this site is actually about? :scooter:
I did 700 on the 14 too.... damn I love the new toy..
Grahameeboy
19th November 2007, 08:09
Just a point for clarification, is saying "shut the fuck up" okay ?
and is saying "Fuck Off" not okay (because I got infracted for the later you see)
just interested in the point for future reference.
:dodge:
I guess 'shut the fuck up' is less agressive that 'Fuck off'
Grahameeboy
19th November 2007, 08:10
I did 700 on the 14 too.... damn I love the new toy..
You must have one of the cycle trainer things that you hook up the rear wheel to so you can watch telly eh?
scumdog
19th November 2007, 08:22
LOL...sounds like some reckless driving charges could/should laid :Police:
More like "Farmer-failed-to-ensure-fences-were-stock-proof' charges!!:mad::angry2:
Have a look at 'Scummie loses his chicken strips' thread.
Quasievil
19th November 2007, 08:24
I guess 'shut the fuck up' is less agressive that 'Fuck off'
mmmm I guess so, but telling someone to "shut the fuck up" on a internet forum kinda goes against the grain really, it says you can be here but you cant say anything...................fuck off is more appropriate as you are saying go away permanetly and cannot say anything.
I guess its a tuff call, no wonder Mods have such a hard time interpreting the rules against there own agenda's
I think there are to many little loopholes and freckin obstacles on KB, keep it simple stupid, is the way these things should be run, no wonder Frosty had trouble, fuck knows I did.
Maybe an idea would be to run a Kiwibiker Mod course at Massy or something, this might help the Mods understand what to do, with this silly government you would get a student loan for it no probs, I think this would be far better than the current system of Mod Educational processes.
And to go one step further perhaps we as members could take a KB members course so we can learn the rules and loopholes etc, have a few advanced papers on subjects like, dispute resolution, understanding your Mod, etc etc , I think there would be alot of bennifit for the site.
Food for thought dont you think:niceone:
MSTRS
19th November 2007, 08:26
So both Hitcher and Cajun tell you why Frosty was removed and you''re still not happy?
Fucken hard to please some people isn't it
Yes a ultimatmum was sent due to an increasing amount of frustration with Frosty and his style of modding and I have no doubt it could have been worded better
Now did everyone read Hitchers post about what was happening when he was senior mod or did you all just skip that bit and would still like to think it was over a couple a incidents?
There's no doubt this could have been handled better, but you know what the end result would have been the same He still would have been removed and everyone would still be bitching
I think most of us realised early on that the 'reasons' for the sacking go way back. The announcement by Frosty did come out of left field for all of us, apart from (some of) the mod team. This, and the bit about 'not being welcome here any more', was a huge shock, precipitating a whole heap of aggrieved support for Frosty, factored by what many feel is unfair dealings by certain mods over time. With an already existing groundswell of dislike and resistance to 'the hidden agenda' - well, you get the picture. I, for one, appreciate your candour above - but did it really have to take this long?? Perhaps you too will learn from this, and realise that sometimes the greater good is served by doing nothing. After all, will the KB community be as well-served by Frosty's replacement??
Quasievil
19th November 2007, 08:29
'not being welcome here any more',
Errr you say What ??? youre kidding right ????????????:gob:
MSTRS
19th November 2007, 08:30
Just a point for clarification, is saying "shut the fuck up" okay ?
and is saying "Fuck Off" not okay (because I got infracted for the later you see)
Ahhh...but was this whilst or after you were a mod??:devil2::whistle:
MSTRS
19th November 2007, 08:32
It is with great regret that I must report I have been fired as a moderator on this web site.
Being perfectly clear here the decision was not mine nor made by SpankMe
KB has been a big part of my life for several years.
It has been made clear to me by the person responsible by PM and by e mail that reasoned discussion is not an option and I am no longer welcolm on this site.
I must add that this is not the message sent to me by the senior mod team as has been alluded to but a pm sent 24 hours earlier giving a pretty clear ultimatum -and asking a decision to be made between two moderating personel.
Due to the fact it contravenes the rules of the site I cannot post the discussions on a public forum however I am more than happy to give my permission for said PM to be made public knowledge
Im genuinely sorry folks and again the decision wasn't mine but was made for me
Errr you say What ??? youre kidding right ????????????:gob:
Read it here, in the first post. Why do you think most of us were and are so upset??
Grahameeboy
19th November 2007, 08:32
mmmm I guess so, but telling someone to "shut the fuck up" on a internet forum kinda goes against the grain really, it says you can be here but you cant say anything...................fuck off is more appropriate as you are saying go away permanetly and cannot say anything.
I guess its a tuff call, no wonder Mods have such a hard time interpreting the rules against there own agenda's
I think there are to many little loopholes and freckin obstacles on KB, keep it simple stupid, is the way these things should be run, no wonder Frosty had trouble, fuck knows I did.
Maybe an idea would be to run a Kiwibiker Mod course at Massy or something, this might help the Mods understand what to do, with this silly government you would get a student loan for it no probs, I think this would be far better than the current system of Mod Educational processes.
And to go one step further perhaps we as members could take a KB members course so we can learn the rules and loopholes etc, have a few advanced papers on subjects like, dispute resolution, understanding your Mod, etc etc , I think there would be alot of bennifit for the site.
Food for thought dont you think:niceone:
Well it is amazing the types of courses you can do these days.....guess it could be a correspondence course............
Hitcher
19th November 2007, 08:34
mmmm I guess so, but telling someone to "shut the fuck up" on a internet forum kinda goes against the grain really, it says you can be here but you cant say anything
Tell you what, let's take things completely out of context and quote selectively from what was said.
Here we had a six-post veteran who appeared out of nowhere (most probably an alias) to aggressively troll and slag people off, rather than contributing to the thread in a constructive manner. My comment suggested that that person endeavour to make a useful contribution or STFU. I have offered the same words of advice to trolls before, and probably will again.
Quasievil
19th November 2007, 08:36
Ahhh...but was this whilst or after you were a mod??:devil2::whistle:
After mate, like a couple of weeks ago, Im okay now, after a bit of counselling I managed my way through the process.
it seemed okay to be recieving abuse but It was deemed that I could not give it.:whocares:
Grahameeboy
19th November 2007, 08:37
Tell you what, let's take things completely out of context and quote selectively from what was said.
Here we had a six-post veteran who appeared out of nowhere (most probably an alias) to aggressively troll and slag people off, rather than contributing to the thread in a constructive manner. My comment suggested that that person endeavour to make a useful contribution or STFU. I have offered the same words of advice to trolls before, and probably will again.
As a Troll at times I feel honoured that I have not been told to STFU............note to self, must try harder
Quasievil
19th November 2007, 08:44
Tell you what, let's take things completely out of context and quote selectively from what was said.
Here we had a six-post veteran who appeared out of nowhere (most probably an alias) to aggressively troll and slag people off, rather than contributing to the thread in a constructive manner. My comment suggested that that person endeavour to make a useful contribution or STFU. I have offered the same words of advice to trolls before, and probably will again.
Dont worry big fella, Im just joshing.
Have to say for the RECORD, I find it completely outrageous that Frosty has been told he is not welcome here anymore, irespective of whatever has gone on in the background between him and the Mods and no matter how the Mod team are trying to justify it ,THAT is disgraceful.
I dont even need to go into the details of what he has done to unite us with his trackdays etc, without which half of us would still be strangers to each other, its guys like Frosty that make KB great, not Mods and the politics !!
i know you have a hard job but Shame on you guys !
James Deuce
19th November 2007, 08:51
Dont worry big fella, Im just joshing.
Have to say for the RECORD, I find it completely outrageous that Frosty has been told he is not welcome here anymore, irespective of whatever has gone on in the background between him and the Mods and no matter how the Mod team are trying to justify it ,THAT is disgraceful.
Yeah but he hasn't. He was asked to stand down from the Moderating team. Not told to throw his toys out of the cot and wind everyone up and then start telling everyone to leave it alone when it became apparent that he was most definitely welcome to continue contributing in the way that makes him such a good bloke to have on KB.
MSTRS
19th November 2007, 08:53
...lots of true words....its guys like Frosty that make KB great, not Mods and the politics !!
...some more true words...
Too bloody right.
MSTRS
19th November 2007, 08:58
Yeah but he hasn't. He was asked to stand down from the Moderating team. Not told to throw his toys out of the cot and wind everyone up and then start telling everyone to leave it alone when it became apparent that he was most definitely welcome to continue contributing in the way that makes him such a good bloke to have on KB.
Can't agree with you here Jim. There's been more than enough obfuscation here already, no retraction from Frosty and no outright proof of denial by they who must be obeyed
James Deuce
19th November 2007, 09:04
There's been no obfuscation from anyone other than Frosty. He spat the dummy prematurely, the Mods have explained what, when, why, and how despite not having to and yet it still goes on.
As has been said, it doesn't matter what the Mods or Spankme say, there is now a group of people who will just straight out argue that they're lying. It's one of the reasons I quit being a mod. You volunteer your time, you support people who perhaps don't deserve it (and I'm not talking about you MSTRS ;) ) and you do it for what? A bloody good kicking?
Quasievil
19th November 2007, 09:06
Yeah but he hasn't. He was asked to stand down from the Moderating team. Not told to throw his toys out of the cot and wind everyone up and then start telling everyone to leave it alone when it became apparent that he was most definitely welcome to continue contributing in the way that makes him such a good bloke to have on KB.
Okay fair call, kinda a bit he said/she said in that case. I guess at the end of the day it seems to me to ba an occasion where things maybe could have been handled a bit differently.
Its a shame, thats my main message
scumdog
19th November 2007, 09:06
Yeah but he hasn't. He was asked to stand down from the Moderating team.
And that folks is it.
So how come so many are stressing out, getting emotional and generally ranting over this??????????:crazy::calm:
Fatjim
19th November 2007, 09:10
Its cause there is no emotional age limit for this site.
Quasievil
19th November 2007, 09:10
And that folks is it.
So how come so many are stressing out, getting emotional and generally ranting over this??????????:crazy::calm:
Prolly just people trying to get their own head around it dude.
Im done, now time to browse for a tailtidy for me 10 !!!!!:scooter:
marty
19th November 2007, 09:22
Like scumdog says, tell em to get farked..! However if you want to talk justice, try this: 19 year old local girl up here got raped by 4 guys and she recieved 200 lashes for getting into a car with men that she wasn't related to! Could have been worse, she could have been kicked off KB for a month.. Right?
now THAT would have to be worth 500 lashes!
how's that G5 going?
NotaGoth
19th November 2007, 11:26
Looking at your posting total, she hasn't wasted anything like the bandwidth that you have.
At least I post shit about bikes, not weepy bullshit about my pets and yet another relationship screw up that's everyone else's fault.
Oh boo hoo hoo. Tell you what start picking through all your posts and remove every single one that doesn't involve bikes down to a T. Also.. While we are at it, lets remove PD (LOTPIHGAD) lets also remove rant or rave, and any other parts of the forum where people are likely to post ANYTHING that doesn't exactly involve a bike. Lets remove ALL threads that have been posted that involve people trying to find homes for pets, find missing pets etc etc missing children too, the childs not a bike are they? And last but not least lets remove everyone who is a member here on kb who hasn't posted, and also those who post but don't own a bike because apparently its all a waste of bandwidth just like your previous post. :jerry:
Qkchk
19th November 2007, 11:53
..........Have to say for the RECORD, I find it completely outrageous that Frosty has been told he is not welcome here anymore, irespective of whatever has gone on in the background between him and the Mods and no matter how the Mod team are trying to justify it ,THAT is disgraceful.
I dont even need to go into the details of what he has done to unite us with his trackdays etc, without which half of us would still be strangers to each other, its guys like Frosty that make KB great, not Mods and the politics !!
i know you have a hard job but Shame on you guys !
I second that.
Kinda wonder why I can be bothered to organising rides via KB as well - If FROSTY can be shat upon by his own peers, THEN I HAVE NO HOPE IN HELL!
:weep:
Guess there will come a time (soon) when the mighty TXT will be a better form of communication then a website.
skelstar
19th November 2007, 12:09
Good grief. I hope you people care as much about who runs your country let alone your 2-dimensional internet life. What an unnecessarily huge catalogue of whiny bullshit.
If you don't like it, vote with your virtual feet :bye:
DMNTD
19th November 2007, 12:18
While we are at it, lets remove PD (LOTPIHGAD) lets also remove rant or rave, and any other parts of the forum where people are likely to post ANYTHING that doesn't exactly involve a bike. Lets remove ALL threads that have been posted that involve people trying to find homes for pets, find missing pets etc etc missing children too, the childs not a bike are they? And last but not least lets remove everyone who is a member here on kb who hasn't posted, and also those who post but don't own a bike because apparently its all a waste of bandwidth just like your previous post. :jerry:
That has to be the best suggestion I've seen on this motorcycling website in quite some time
James Deuce
19th November 2007, 12:20
Oh boo hoo hoo. Tell you what start picking through all your posts and remove every single one that doesn't involve bikes down to a T. Also.. While we are at it, lets remove PD (LOTPIHGAD) lets also remove rant or rave, and any other parts of the forum where people are likely to post ANYTHING that doesn't exactly involve a bike. Lets remove ALL threads that have been posted that involve people trying to find homes for pets, find missing pets etc etc missing children too, the childs not a bike are they? And last but not least lets remove everyone who is a member here on kb who hasn't posted, and also those who post but don't own a bike because apparently its all a waste of bandwidth just like your previous post. :jerry:
What a good idea! This did used to be a bike site after all. The wider "community" aspect of the site isn't really going that well is it?
I reckon instead of infractions and rep, if you post in the wrong thread or pop in to have a whine you should get your post replaced with something like "See rule #4."
scumdog
19th November 2007, 12:21
Good grief. I hope you people care as much about who runs your country let alone your 2-dimensional internet life. What an unnecessarily huge catalogue of whiny bullshit.
If you don't like it, vote with your virtual feet :bye:
What he sed.
Good grief people, there's more important things in life to stress about than this - or have some got such a good life that they have to look for a 'crisis' of this magnitude to give them something to worry about??:confused:
NotaGoth
19th November 2007, 12:21
What a good idea! This did used to be a bike site after all. The wider "community" aspect of the site isn't really going that well is it?
I reckon instead of infractions and rep, if you post in the wrong thread or pop in to have a whine you should get your post replaced with something like "See rule #4."
Jim2, please see rule #4.
Quasievil
19th November 2007, 12:37
DAMN for the life of me I cannot figure out what to have for tea, had fish last night, chicken the night before, I could have like a steak I suppose
yeah thats it .....steak:niceone:
nodrog
19th November 2007, 12:40
its just as well that this thread wasnt started in rant and rave, otherwise nobodys post count would be going up, and thats whats really important isnt it?
Ixion
19th November 2007, 12:51
...
It's worth remembering too that Kiwi Biker is not a democracy
...
This mantra is often repeated as if it were a sufficient justification for anything. The fact that an organisation is not a 'democracy' is neither reason nor justification for it to be arbitrary, autocratic, dictatorial or arcane.
Reference to the history books, or examination of the world about, will disclose many examples of non-democratic organisations that avoid such failings. The example of the administration of Akhbar the Great is perhaps an overly ambitious target, but any administrator (which is what a moderator is) would gain much from consideration of the life and conduct of Todar Mal, to this day a byword for justice,transparency and fairness.
The Heaven Born may wish to examine their conduct in this matter against his standard
Up until now, I have dismissed 99.9% of the whinging about mods out of hand. Because I know they have volunteered to do a shitty, shitty job and dealing with arseholes who have no manners is not easy
This belief has also been promoted until it has become a tenet of KB urban legend, put forward often as a justification for the otherwise unjustifiable
From my own experience I can say that the claim that the moderator's task is an unrelievedly thankless one, and he the target of constant abuse is not correct
In my term as moderator I never once experienced any abuse directed at my as a result of moderator action . Argument, yes, that is to be expected. Abuse, no. On the contrary I often received thanks for what I did, sometimes from the subject of the moderation.
It is a tedious task, since the moderator must wade through many threads that have no personal interest. But it can be a satisfying task. After all, the moderators primary function is to help people . And doing so, why should there be any reaosn for abuse ?
And on the realtively rare occasions when reproof or correction is genuinely required, if this be done in a courteous and open fashion, showing that it is the behaviour being addressed and not an attack on the person, almost everyone will respond graciously.
The very very rare prick who is just aboard to cause trouble seldom requires any action by moderators. The combined condemnation and wrath of the membership can be relied to drop on them from a great height very quickly.
I have never , from either side of the curtain, seen any action by Mr Frosty that I would condemn.
Kittyhawk
19th November 2007, 12:56
There is more to life than just the internet.....
Go for a ride and vent steam that way...cos you wont develop your skills on here by ranting.
:scooter:
Swoop
19th November 2007, 14:06
its just as well that this thread wasnt started in rant and rave, otherwise nobodys post count would be going up, and thats whats really important isnt it?
I have been wondering how many infractions have been given out for taking this thread off-topic...:spanking:
Finn
19th November 2007, 14:12
Oh dear, it's getting a little frosty in here.
Gixxer 4 ever
19th November 2007, 14:17
You are starting to loose the point of this.
1 It appears that one MOD was logging on twice. Ie representing another MOD
2 Two of our MODs are a couple. That's a conflict of interest big time.
3 One of our MODs was sending out very aggressive and all most obscene senture (sp) PMs
4 Frosty was sent a nasty PM. That said he is not welcom here.
And there are other points. This is not just about a hissy fit. I know Frosty is not completely free of blame. I had a stoush with him over a posting I made some time ago. Thats life. He has been moved off the MODs list. It is how it was done and what was said and in what order it was done. Also a conflict of interest. And I know it has been denied but it is clear to some of us that one MOD has been logged on doing the job of two.
That's what this was about. I wish Tony would publish the first PM he got and what happened after he got it and in what order things were done.
Anyway due to a lot of PMs and Emails I recon some changes are going to be made and things will run a lot better.
Come on back Tony. We need you and the Trackdays bonds us as a group.
howdamnhard
19th November 2007, 14:55
Sorry to hear you are gone Frosty,you seem to have done a lot for a lot of people.Damn you can never get away from politics.
MSTRS
19th November 2007, 14:56
You are starting to loose the point of this.
1 It appears that one MOD was logging on twice. Ie representing another MOD
2 Two of our MODs are a couple. That's a conflict of interest big time.
3 One of our MODs was sending out very aggressive and all most obscene senture (sp) PMs
4 Frosty was sent a nasty PM. That said he is not welcom here.
And there are other points. This is not just about a hissy fit. I know Frosty is not completely free of blame. I had a stoush with him over a posting I made some time ago. Thats life. He has been moved off the MODs list. It is how it was done and what was said and in what order it was done. Also a conflict of interest. And I know it has been denied but it is clear to some of us that one MOD has been logged on doing the job of two.
That's what this was about. I wish Tony would publish the first PM he got and what happened after he got it and in what order things were done.
Anyway due to a lot of PMs and Emails I recon some changes are going to be made and things will run a lot better.
Come on back Tony. We need you and the Trackdays bonds us as a group.
All good and valid points...as someone said earlier (Scumdog?) 'Something smells in MiddleEarth'. Although I have to say that 'secret agendas' are no modopoly (sic). I agree that though things are quietening down, the root cause must still be addressed.
SPman
19th November 2007, 15:13
Oh dear!
Sigh..........
Lots of :angry2:, some :dodge:, more :bash:, a few :gob:, intimations of:buggerd:, & :brick:.
Me.....:shutup: :corn:
Scouse
19th November 2007, 15:22
And as for Mod-bashing, and singling out Joni for special attention, I think that that is just symptomatic of a huge degree of immaturity from some contributors. Joni deserves better.I have been watching this thread for the last couple of days trying to keep out of if but I have to say that I agree with you Hich especialy on this point, it realy is disapointing to see this thread turn into another Joni bashing session, grow up people. I am also personaly sad for Frosty but hey Frosty like I said to Ixion you dont need to be a Mod to have the respect of the Kiwibiker fratenety you got that for what you do for people not for any percived elevation in the pecking order that being a mod gives you.
badlieutenant
19th November 2007, 16:14
{edit}
was going to post something generous and nice and long but fuck it.
wat a load of bollocks
Paul in NZ
19th November 2007, 16:14
All good and valid points...as someone said earlier (Scumdog?) 'Something smells in MiddleEarth'. Although I have to say that 'secret agendas' are no modopoly (sic). I agree that though things are quietening down, the root cause must still be addressed.
Well you can address it without me - I'm sick of this ..... It eats at your soul and it's not healthy. You are right - something stinks and the rot is in the hearts of a few people - not the mods, not the majority but the few and I can't be arsed with it..... I'm busy - I'm sick and I don't have the energy anymore......
I'll see you folks out on the road one day some place - the trumpy is pretty well um mistakeable and the Guzzi is getting a tickle up. Please make sure you say hi.
Paul n Vicki
MSTRS
19th November 2007, 16:29
Well you can address it without me - I'm sick of this ..... It eats at your soul and it's not healthy.
I'll see you folks out on the road one day some place - the trumpy is pretty well um mistakeable and the Guzzi is getting a tickle up. make sure you say hi.
Paul n Vicki
Geez...I hope that doesn't mean you are cutting a track??? This subject is deeply affecting, but I have reached the point where I choose not to let it get me bitter and twisted. However, I am not fooled by re-assurances that all is peachy and above board. The people I choose to associate more closely with on and off KB are great sorts, and I see no reason to not to continue doing so.
A little older, a little wiser, a little more cynical.
Qkkid
19th November 2007, 17:08
Dont worry big fella, Im just joshing.
Have to say for the RECORD, I find it completely outrageous that Frosty has been told he is not welcome here anymore, irespective of whatever has gone on in the background between him and the Mods and no matter how the Mod team are trying to justify it ,THAT is disgraceful.
I dont even need to go into the details of what he has done to unite us with his trackdays etc, without which half of us would still be strangers to each other, its guys like Frosty that make KB great, not Mods and the politics !!
i know you have a hard job but Shame on you guys !
It also makes people respect mods by havin ones there that people know and have good repour (spelling error hitch) and have earned it by their actions.
The other point is also people contribute to this site financially :yes: and as far as i am concerned there will be no contributions from my household any more. We also put time and effort to make it fun for people so we should have some say i dont exspect the world.
Sollyboy
19th November 2007, 17:12
It almost looks like all the people from the shithole towns south of taupo got rid of a perfectly good moderator, I dont know frosty but by the testimonials from fellow members he sounds like a top bloke, I read a few of his post and he seems to know his way round a motorcycle and surely for a MC site that must be a big plus, are there any auckland mods?
Grahameeboy
19th November 2007, 17:16
It almost looks like all the people from the shithole towns south of taupo got rid of a perfectly good moderator, I dont know frosty but by the testimonials from fellow members he sounds like a top bloke, I read a few of his post and he seems to know his way round a motorcycle and surely for a MC site that must be a big plus, are there any auckland mods?
He is still a top bloke, just not a Mod anymore......let it be said
Kickaha
19th November 2007, 17:17
. And I know it has been denied but it is clear to some of us that one MOD has been logged on doing the job of two.
Anyone who thinks that is a lot dumber than I thought, can they please either PM me with the proof or put it up here
Grahameeboy
19th November 2007, 17:20
It also makes people respect mods by havin ones there that people know and have good repour (spelling error hitch) and have earned it by their actions.
The other point is also people contribute to this site financially :yes: and as far as i am concerned there will be no contributions from my household any more. We also put time and effort to make it fun for people so we should have some say i dont exspect the world.
I hear your sentiments. All good, however, sometimes it can also create problems if Mods are people who we know well etc as it can make things arkward as well when a problem has to be addressed.
I don't think that those who contribute financially or socially should have the casting vote. By shutting down support because of your dislike for the Mods or whatever, is not the way to go because it is not really them who are affected, it is the members.
White trash
19th November 2007, 17:25
This thread is farkin hilarious. I've never seen so many conspiracy theorys in one thread.
I love it, keep it up.
So we're clear, Tony's a mate. Someone who's friendship I value dearly. I also happen to get on extremely well with both the senior moderators and a good deal of other mods.
Once again we've got a "us" verses "them" thread with no one knowing all the facts.
Let it rest people.
Qkkid
19th November 2007, 17:31
I am talkin as kiwibikers not as me and Dawn without financial contributions from most poeople where would the site be so the picture is alot bigger than just mods who cant earn the respect like frosty had and deserved. Its funny the 1 person who we all know has caused this upheaval is staying well clear and any mention of her name and its thrown into pointless drivel. Funny that. Isnt one of the site rules to keep harmony in the site. What a disruption she has caused and thats okay because its Kikahas partner. Frosty issues were small compared to her Ultimatum :yes:People dont even bother complaining about her anymore beacause they already know the answer.
:nono:If you had all the complaints youd be fucken busy as.
doc
19th November 2007, 17:32
This thread is farkin hilarious. I've never seen so many conspiracy theorys in one thread.
I love it, keep it up.
So we're clear, Tony's a mate. Someone who's friendship I value dearly. I also happen to get on extremely well with both the senior moderators and a good deal of other mods.
Once again we've got a "us" verses "them" thread with no one knowing all the facts.
Let it rest people.
You beat me to it. Should change it to "The last to post thread".
Or we could just bang their heads together and send them all to the naughty room. Mods included you can't argue with a crowd.
Grahameeboy
19th November 2007, 17:37
I am talkin as kiwibikers not as me and Dawn without financial contributions from most poeople where would the site be so the picture is alot bigger than just mods who cant earn the respect like frosty had and deserved. Its funny the 1 person who we all know has caused this upheaval is staying well clear and any mention of her name and its thrown into pointless drivel. Funny that. Isnt one of the site rules to keep harmony in the site. What a disruption she has caused and thats okay because its Kikahas partner. Frosty issues were small compared to her Ultimatum :yes:People dont even bother complaining about her anymore beacause they already know the answer.
:nono:If you had all the complants youd be fucken busy as.
Surely the site is bigger than the Mods though................no offence to the Mods....just that whatever you think about the Mods, the site still offers so much.
speights_bud
19th November 2007, 17:38
This thread is farkin hilarious. I've never seen so many conspiracy theorys in one thread.
I love it, keep it up.
I found out from this thread where all the moderated posts go!, cruising through the PD has provided some of the best entertainment i've found in a single thread yet!
We know who knows what really happened, and we know we'll probably never find out what really went on.
So until the day we do (or Dont), keep living life and ticking up those km's! :2thumbsup
DMNTD
19th November 2007, 17:46
Let it rest people.
I would've thought "log off and get a farkin' life" would be far more appropriate .
enigma51
19th November 2007, 17:51
I would've thought "log off and get a farkin' life" would be far more appropriate .
Your going to get infracted for saying that! :jerry::jerry::jerry:
discotex
19th November 2007, 17:55
Once again we've got a "us" verses "them" thread with no one knowing all the facts.
That was the only reason I waded into this thread in the first place. I felt disclosing the facts would shut it down. A wall of silence was always going to rark people up when someone respected like Frosty is involved.
Had the SM's announced the demotion I'm sure this could have been short-circuited. Maybe an idea for next time there is a change like this..?
For me at least now that there's been some explanation from the SM's I'm happy to let the matter rest. As long as the other mods are held up to the same standard I say fair enough.
I don't know the people involved so I really don't have a position on the politics. It is sad there seems to be so much venom hanging around KB these days.
Quasievil
19th November 2007, 18:41
Well after crackin 150 kmph in first gear on the way home it came to me that I should have chicken, but in a fine egg fettichinne pasta and a aflredo sauce with chopped sundried tomatoes, really nice
I love bikes so inspiring !!:niceone:
White trash
19th November 2007, 18:51
Sounds good bro. Make it two will ya?
Trudes
19th November 2007, 18:59
Reckon!! Dinner at Quasi's sounds grand!
Drew
19th November 2007, 19:19
This thread does away with need of any other called pointless drivell. Easier to read than the red screen too!
Harden the fuck up is all I can say to all the whinging buggers, the descision will never be reversed.
Sparky Bills
19th November 2007, 19:23
I get along with Frosty fine, and if he doesnt come back im sure people who already know him also know how to get hold of him other than KB.
This thread really does show how many wankers there are on this site.
Bring back the old days!
rainman
19th November 2007, 19:38
That was the only reason I waded into this thread in the first place. I felt disclosing the facts would shut it down. A wall of silence was always going to rark people up when someone respected like Frosty is involved.
Had the SM's announced the demotion I'm sure this could have been short-circuited. Maybe an idea for next time there is a change like this..?
For me at least now that there's been some explanation from the SM's I'm happy to let the matter rest. As long as the other mods are held up to the same standard I say fair enough.
I don't know the people involved so I really don't have a position on the politics. It is sad there seems to be so much venom hanging around KB these days.
What a sensible post.
Krusti
19th November 2007, 19:40
Poor Mr Frosty, never met him but I hear he's made heaps of people happy..
Swoop
19th November 2007, 19:54
...it came to me that I should have chicken, but in a fine egg fettichinne pasta...
What did you have first? The chicken or the egg?:msn-wink:
Cajun
19th November 2007, 20:37
I have just spend 30 mins on the phone to frosty talking about a number of things.
He wanted this thread to be gone, he said it was up to me how, but he just wanted it gone.
For sake of keep things open this thread will remain here(so no one thinks things are being sweeped under the carpet), but it will be locked so no more posted can be made. And frosty wants this issue finshed.
Cajun
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