Article on internet forums and one reason behind trolls/flame wars

[Cajun]

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2007/11/dont-flame-me-bro.html

Article i found online about about some thoughs on why people change on line, in to trolls and why flame wars happen

Some interesting insites.

Some others might enjoy

[chanceyy]

must say I agree ... & we see plenty here for sure :lol:

[Curious_AJ]

hmmm very interesting indeed...

though I'd say I'm mostly the same online as offline...

just that I tend to go online when I'm in a not-so-savoury mood (whatever mood it may be that's not positive)

the internet tends to be an escape, and hence people catch the brunt of something they shouldn't (and usually has nothing to do with them)

**SORRY GUYS!!!!!**

heh, just my two cents of realisation of why AJ is like AJ... ^_^ "

[Usarka]

That's a load of bollox you self lobotomised baboon. it was written by a one-eyed moderator with an agenda. want a fight?

[The Stranger]

"Another factor influencing online communication, according to Epley, is simply the risk of miscommunication involved with text-based messages, which are inherently more ambiguous."

Long live Hitcher!!!

[007XX]

Personally, I was raised not to attack someone verbally for the sake of an argument...whether or not I'm in front of them or not hardly matters. So, I'm the same in real life as I am on line.

In my books, if someone has to resort to insults to make their point, then a lack a smarts is involved and the argument is void and I lose interest almost immediately...

Too many people confuse debating with arguing...a healthy polite debate will generally end up with both parties being smart enough to agree to disagree, and it can be very stimulating for both parties :niceone:...

[James Deuce]

What a load of $h1T. "It's just the Internet". I have that on good authority from people who say they are better then me. They must be right because they are better than me.

[MotoGirl]

I have my own theory: people are arseholes.

Interesting article though m'dear. :niceone:

[nodrog]

....... and it can be very stimulating for both parties :niceone:...

bloody strumpet!! :nono:

[007XX]

bloody strumpet!! :nono:

Sore looser...:bleh:

Seriously though...you know what I mean, don't you?

[Mrs Busa Pete]

That must be where that smod gets it from.




As for me i dont have a problem with saying anything to someones face i'm the same in person as i am on the internet. And it does take a lot to piss me of before i say anything.

[007XX]

As for me i dont have a problem with saying anything to someones face i'm the same in person as i am on the internet. And it does take a lot to piss me of before i say anything.

eeerrr...yeah, she's the same. I can vouch for that! :yes:

But we love ya so....:hug:

[idleidolidyll]

A few years ago I did a research project on the subject. Took me months and I even went to the trouble of categorising all the different ways people flame (fallacy debate).

The New Scientist guys opinions reflect pretty much what I found. Most people, even in local forums like this, seem to think they are anonymous and will say stuff they would never dare say in person. That was certainly what Blackbuell and I noted the first time I showed up at the Auckland post run pub and challenged those there to speak the same way in person that they had online.

The silence was deafening............................

[idleidolidyll]

Personally, I was raised not to attack someone verbally for the sake of an argument...whether or not I'm in front of them or not hardly matters. So, I'm the same in real life as I am on line.



I was raised not to let an idiot get away with a dumb comment without at least knowing that someone thought it was bullshit; that was wayyy before the internet.

I continue to live by that credo

[discotex]

Too many people confuse debating with arguing...a healthy polite debate will generally end up with both parties being smart enough to agree to disagree, and it can be very stimulating for both parties :niceone:...

So true! Too often it quickly ends up as "I don't like what you said so fuck you".

Kinda inevitable when passion in a subject is involed. Guess that's what Godwin's law comes into it right?

[MSTRS]

....

I continue to live by that credo

Bit like living by the sword.....

[007XX]

I was raised not to let an idiot get away with a dumb comment without at least knowing that someone thought it was bullshit; that was wayyy before the internet.

I continue to live by that credo

Oh how I would love to be able to do that...except when you're a chick and built like a racing sardine to boot, it's a little hard to meet the said offending commentator at a later stage...

My friends are the only ones whose comments I care about, so in the end, who cares if a jackass wants to flex his muscles online? It doesn't define who I am :nono:

[idleidolidyll]

Bit like living by the sword.....

sometimes it is but it's been good for damn near 50 years and i don't plan on getting soft in my dotage

[MSTRS]

sometimes it is but it's been good for damn near 50 years and i don't plan on getting soft in my dotage

Yes, Mr Garnett...

[idleidolidyll]

Oh how I would love to be able to do that...except when you're a chick and built like a racing sardine to boot, it's a little hard to meet the said offending commentator at a later stage...

My friends are the only ones whose comments I care about, so in the end, who cares if a jackass wants to flex his muscles online? It doesn't define who I am :nono:

rotflmfao!

Yes, when I was a skinny 15 year old it was a lot harder and I got into a few fights for it. That hasn't happened for a long time now that I'm 184cm and close to 100kg.

But regardless, have the strength of your convictions. This might be an online forum but you're also likely to meet your opponents.

[007XX]

So true! Too often it quickly ends up as "I don't like what you said so fuck you".

Kinda inevitable when passion in a subject is involed. Guess that's what Godwin's law comes into it right?

And I am a very firm believer in the fact that it doesn't have to be inevitable...

I just don't see what can be gained by trying desperately to prove a point, when the other person does not want (or cannot) comprehend your point of view...

What Idle is referring to is a little different though...he doesn't suffer fools, and so doesn't let them get away with a stupid argument.
I guess you either got it in you, or you don't...

[MSTRS]

Yes, when I was a skinny 15 year old it was a lot harder and I got into a few fights for it. That hasn't happened for a long time now that I'm 184cm and close to 100kg.



So the first statement suggests you know what it is like to be 'in the right' yet still get bullied?? The second statement suggests that instead of learning some humility, you just decided to join the ranks of the intimidaters.
Bit sad, really, for a grown man.

[007XX]

rotflmfao!

Yes, when I was a skinny 15 year old it was a lot harder and I got into a few fights for it. That hasn't happened for a long time now that I'm 184cm and close to 100kg.

But regardless, have the strength of your convictions. This might be an online forum but you're also likely to meet your opponents.

Righto, so...can you beat someone up for me? :D

Just kidding...Funnily enough, there is one person on here who has quite obviously taken a very strong dislike to me from the very start of my appearance on KB...Never met him, and he keeps on baiting me, but honnestly, I cannot be bothered as the mental capacity is that of an amoeba...a bit like arguing with a jelly fish really! :rolleyes:

But I do wish I was as big as Colapop, then we'd see who gets the last word in :devil2: I have the strength of my convictions, but prefer to reserve my energies for the right people! :yes:

[idleidolidyll]

So the first statement suggests you know what it is like to be 'in the right' yet still get bullied?? The second statement suggests that instead of learning some humility, you just decided to join the ranks of the intimidaters.
Bit sad, really, for a grown man.

Nope, the first suggests that even as a skinny kid I stood up and said what was on my mind.
The second says that OTHER PEOPLE generally don't pick on me in person ; it NEVER said I pick on others. You're just leaping to conclusions like a lemming leaping after some other lemming.
What humility was there to learn? If I'm wrong I'll say so. If all my detractors can do is attack my person instead of my arguments, I just laugh at them.
My attitude hasn't changed, only my height and bulk.

[idleidolidyll]

Righto, so...can you beat someone up for me? :D

Just kidding...Funnily enough, there is one person on here who has quite obviously taken a very strong dislike to me from the very start of my appearance on KB...Never met him, and he keeps on baiting me, but honnestly, I cannot be bothered as the mental capacity is that of an amoeba...a bit like arguing with a jelly fish really! :rolleyes:

But I do wish I was as big as Colapop, then we'd see who gets the last word in :devil2: I have the strength of my convictions, but prefer to reserve my energies for the right people! :yes:

No, I'm not a bully and I've only ever 'beaten up' those who've swung at me first.

Regardless of your size, be strong. I'm sure you'll find that others would step in if needs be. As for anonymous people here with childish grudges: yes, there are plenty.
I count them as small people lacking spines and I've seen em since the first week I joined.

Speak your mind but try to do so using logos, pathos and ethos; make an ancient Greek proud.

[MSTRS]

*sigh*...nowhere is it written that one person 'needs' to be corrected. What makes you think that you are to be the one doing the so-called correcting?
Humility - the art of being in the right WITHOUT posturing....

[idleidolidyll]

*sigh*...nowhere is it written that one person 'needs' to be corrected. What makes you think that you are to be the one doing the so-called correcting?
Humility - the art of being in the right WITHOUT posturing....

Of course you expect us to accept YOUR opinion of what constitutes posturing.

From what I've seen, many here are often sadly mistaken and the other is merely expressing a viewpoint that they disagree with but can't effectively counter.

You or they might think it's posturing but it is usually just a good argument that those lacking skills find difficult to debate.

It smacks of the tall poppy crap.

[Hitcher]

I don't know if I exist in real life. I post, therefore I am.

[Virago]

I don't know if I exist in real life. I post, therefore I am.

....Dustcart.

[idleidolidyll]

I don't know if I exist in real life. I post, therefore I am.

I have it on good authority that you're merely an automaton; a virus that pops up from time to time pretending to be human

[007XX]

I have it on good authority that you're merely an automaton; a virus that pops up from time to time pretending to be human

:laugh: Infectiously witty a virus though...and if he's only an automaton, then who the heck was that dude with Mrs H :shit: when I met her???

[idleidolidyll]

:laugh: Infectiously witty a virus though...and if he's only an automaton, then who the heck was that dude with Mrs H :shit: when I met her???

ahh! you never touched him did ya! that was the hologram!

[007XX]

ahh! you never touched him did ya! that was the hologram!

Uuurrr, actually I did...Do you thing he's contagious? :confused:Already, I feel myself queerly drawn to syntax corrections...:crazy:

Aaaargghghhhh...*resistance is futile* ....

[idleidolidyll]

Uuurrr, actually I did...Do you thing he's contagious? :confused:Already, I feel myself queerly drawn to syntax corrections...:crazy:

Aaaargghghhhh...*resistance is futile* ....

interesting

was it all clammy? did it buzz and whirr? did the nanobots crawl up your arm?

those holograms are pretty bloody convincing nowdays

[MSTRS]

Back in the days when the BDOTGNZA were extremely active, more than a few members here did get mightily upset with the constant haranguing and clarion calls for perfection in spelling and grammar from HisEruditeLearnedness, the GrandMaster Hitch.
Now he has accepted that whilst tilting at windmills may be an honourable mission, in reality it just fucks off the miller.
Hitch at his most busy had nothing on you, O Three-EyedOne. You would do well to recognise the futility of your mission, and cease from littering threads such as this with your constant and tiresome efforts to 'make us think' (ie like you).

[Hitcher]

I have it on good authority that you're merely an automaton; a virus that pops up from time to time pretending to be human

Sadly that diagnosis may be true.

[idleidolidyll]

Back in the days when the BDOTGNZA were extremely active, more than a few members here did get mightily upset with the constant haranguing and clarion calls for perfection in spelling and grammar from HisEruditeLearnedness, the GrandMaster Hitch.
Now he has accepted that whilst tilting at windmills may be an honourable mission, in reality it just fucks off the miller.
Hitch at his most busy had nothing on you, O Three-EyedOne. You would do well to recognise the futility of your mission, and cease from littering threads such as this with your constant and tiresome efforts to 'make us think' (ie like you).

Oh dear, the self appointed censor hath spoken.

Pardon me if I don't give a damn.

I intend to post here on whatever grabs my attention at the time and if you (or anyone else) don't like it, you're more than free to ignore me or just not read the post.

Those who try to cut down the tall poppies will find equally that I don't give a damn.

[Hitcher]

Those who try to cut down the tall poppies will find equally that I don't give a damn.

If your spelling and grammar were better, the Brave Defenders would send you a membership form. They like zealots.

[MSTRS]

Oh dear, the self appointed censor hath spoken.

Pardon me if I don't give a damn.

I intend to post here on whatever grabs my attention at the time and if you (or anyone else) don't like it, you're more than free to ignore me or just not read the post.

Those who try to cut down the tall poppies will find equally that I don't give a damn.

Oh dear. You are deaf too....

[idleidolidyll]

If your spelling and grammar were better, the Brave Defenders would send you a membership form. They like zealots.

if i could be bothered typing perfect grammar and spelling here i would; i can't so i won't

suffice it to say i teach the language every day

[idleidolidyll]

Oh dear. You are deaf too....

nope, you seem to be though

[Bonez]

Trip trap, trip trap on my bridge.................

[MSTRS]

suffice it to say i teach the language every day

Most of us knew at least one kid at school...loud-mouth, opinionated, knew everything, would never shut up....but whilst we left school and joined the real world, it seems you stayed behind.

[Jantar]

....suffice it to say i teach the language every day

:gob: :eek5:

[Virago]

Most of us knew at least one kid at school...loud-mouth, opinionated, knew everything, would never shut up...

...complaining to the teacher every few minutes about the other kids...

[Str8 Jacket]

I believe my signature says it all, except I dont really blame society. I say what I think, know or what I believe in whether it be in person or on the net to anyone and everyone. I will also apologise if I am wrong or overly nasty. In saying that I dont actually care what anyone thinks of me either. I make no apologies for who I am and expect that of others.

[Swoop]

...except when you're a chick and built like a racing sardine to boot, it's a little hard to meet the said offending commentator at a later stage...
Surely, a racing sardine would be ahead by at least 100 metres!

A bloke I knew (who had a black belt in someting-or-other) said that he had won the last few fights by at least 150 metres!!:first:


who the heck was that dude with Mrs H :shit: when I met her???
There is a strong rumour that you saw Hitchers' stunt double... (He does all of the dangerous work):shifty:

[James Deuce]

There is a strong rumour that you saw Hitchers' stunt double... (He does all of the dangerous work):shifty:

Yes it was the stunt double. He's the guy you see in that Tron suit on that there Internet thing.

[The Lone Rider]

It's on the intranet.. it must be true :D

I find this little snippet a little amusing

"Another obvious factor is that, if you insult someone online, it's unlikely you'll face any physical retaliation for it."

[scumdog]

...complaining to the teacher every few minutes about the other kids...


And saying "You're wrong" to everybody who thought different to him......:whistle:

[idleidolidyll]

Most of us knew at least one kid at school...loud-mouth, opinionated, knew everything, would never shut up....but whilst we left school and joined the real world, it seems you stayed behind.

Yep, they were the ones with the guts to challenge the status quo.
The cowards merely hid behind them and hoped things would change of their own accord.

The cowards never changed and they still whine in private and do fuck all in public.

[007XX]

interesting

was it all clammy? did it buzz and whirr? did the nanobots crawl up your arm?



Sadly that diagnosis may be true.


Oh dear. You are deaf too....

I feel a massive group hug coming on...Can you feel the love?!? :chase: :grouphug:

Surely, a racing sardine would be ahead by at least 100 metres!


A bloke I knew (who had a black belt in someting-or-other) said that he had won the last few fights by at least 150 metres!!:first:

:laugh: Funnily enough, I was competing at school, but the fact is, in an argument, I'm too bloody stubbron to give up most of the time: so no bloody running. If I start it, I finish it!


There is a strong rumour that you saw Hitchers' stunt double... (He does all of the dangerous work):shifty:

Really? :shit: Mrs H is a lucky girl...2 for the price of one! :blip: :rofl:


Yes it was the stunt double. He's the guy you see in that Tron suit on that there Internet thing.

:blink: ow shit...how do you erase disturbing mental pic of Hitcher in a Lycra suit again...:lol:

[Finn]

Yep, they were the ones with the guts to challenge the status quo.

If the current state of NZ is a result of your efforts "challenging the status quo" then you have failed dismally loudmouth.

[MSTRS]

Yep, they were the ones with the guts to challenge the status quo.


Yep, we were. As I said, we left school, headed off into uncharted waters, had new and interesting experiences, grew up and became part of the real world. Whilst you stayed with all that you (thought that you) knew, never left school and never changed your approach to anything.
Who were the ones with guts, again??
:Pokey:

[nodrog]

:blink: ow shit...how do you erase disturbing mental pic of Hitcher in a Lycra suit again...:lol:

:doctor:, and lots of it!!

[007XX]

:doctor:, and lots of it!!

*Is there a doctor in the room????*...I need an injection! :devil2:

And to stay on topic :innocent:...has anyone ever had major rows online with someone, then met them and actually liked them?

[MSTRS]

..has anyone ever had major rows online with someone, then met them and actually liked them?

In a word...yep.

[007XX]

In a word...yep.

Phew...that's a relief. I'm a pacifist (mostly), and can't hold a grudge to save myself! So would much rather get along...:yes:

Oh well! At least now I know it can be done...As you were!

[Cajun]

*Is there a doctor in the room????*...I need an injection! :devil2:

And to stay on topic :innocent:...has anyone ever had major rows online with someone, then met them and actually liked them?

i in my younger days acutally use to go around abusing people in irc channels, for anything, being aussie, being female, being male whatever. In one of the abuse sessions in an new zealand channel, i girl called Sataness started talking to me, we ended up meeting couple months later, then later ended up getting married.

[007XX]

i in my younger days acutally use to go around abusing people in irc channels, for anything, being aussie, being female, being male whatever. In one of the abuse sessions in an new zealand channel, i girl called Sataness started talking to me, we ended up meeting couple months later, then later ended up getting married.

:laugh: Nice one! But Sataness (:shifty:????)...i prefer the current log on quite frankly :yes:

Cool story...however, can you now see what was making you want to abuse people like that online? I'm completely lost as to why someone would even want to do it!

[Cajun]

:laugh: Nice one! But Sataness (:shifty:????)...i prefer the current log on quite frankly :yes:

Cool story...however, can you now see what was making you want to abuse people like that online? I'm completely lost as to why someone would even want to do it!

well i was 17-18 at the time, i use to work alot of hours, and it was some kind of stress relieve, had family issues at the time, so was good to release it.
It wasn't like i repeatly attacked same people, i shared the abuse around, so no one felt leaved out.

[007XX]

well i was 17-18 at the time, i use to work alot of hours, and it was some kind of stress relieve, had family issues at the time, so was good to release it.
It wasn't like i repeatly attacked same people, i shared the abuse around, so no one felt leaved out.

How very generous of you...:laugh:

Well, I guess different people have different ways of dealing with their angst...Glad to see you're no longer like that however! :niceone:

When I was that age (OMG, I sound like my Mother :shit:), I would just disappear in the bush camping for a few days...becoming strongly antisocial is still a part of the way I deal with stress.

[MacD]

ahh! you never touched him did ya! that was the hologram!

OMG! There is a similarity!