Warning for bikes with transponder keys!

[K6K]

The whole point of transponder keys is that if it is stolen, the F*ckwits who took it have to replace the whole ECU. My 2006 GSXR came with two transponder keys and a little fob with a key number on that has an explanation in the manual - "don't lose the number or your f*cked." They don't say if you lose both keys you are also f*cked. Stupid me thought when I lost my first key I could use that code to get another one so I wasn't in too much of a hurry. So when the bastards who clean out all my stuff from my house took my last key I wasn't too worried, I was pretty glad they didn't manage to take my bike due to the Abus bike lock. Not for lack of trying, they violated the abus lock with a screwdriver big time. So even when my contents insurance (Fintel/tower) says, not my problem its a motor vehicle "spare part or accessory" I think OK, I'll wear the cost for a new key. Out of interest I ask my bike insurance people (Star) about it and they say "not us! that's contents insurance that is..."
Now I think the final word is I am f*cked - Suzuki NZ direct says the only option is to replace the ECM. The only figure I have so far is a guesstimate from a dealer of $2000 plus.
I have one faint hope...I think I most likely lost the first key somewhere around the house...it is time to tear it up and make it even messier than those thieving bastards left it.
Does anybody know where I can get a second hand ECU plus key? Or how much an aftermarket ECU like a Yoshimura would set me back?

[bucket boy]

I no exactly were your coming from ive imported 2007 zx14 brought it 4 weeks ago it arrives with 2 black keys 1 red key it immobiliser says got problem so peice of shit wont start does everything except start try starting at soliniod still nothing 2 weeks past now just about ready to bite the bullet take to stealership

[jafar]

You should be able to get the original key number from the dealer who sold the bike new, or from suzuki nz
Honda have a similar deal , but they supply you with 2 keys & you can order an extra 2 over the life of the bike. New ones are around $700.00 each.:whistle:

[classic zed]

There is one on eBay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUZUKI-2006-GSXR600-ECU-CDI-BOX_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34284QQihZ016QQitem Z260182798418QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

might be worth asking them if it comes with a coded key or maybe it doesnt need one.

[classic zed]

Here is one off an 06 - 07 model, post worldwide and for US$145 buy now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GSXR600-GSXR-600-cdi-igniter-ignitor-ecu-ecm-2006-2007_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35594QQihZ004QQite mZ140167247527QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

Curiously none of them mention transponder keys ...... are they different from the models here?

[K6K]

Suzuki NZ have sworn that the only way to get the bike going after both bikes have gone is to replace the ECU. I have the key code number but I have been told by the dealer and Suzuki NZ technical department that the number is only for the "cut" of the key, not the transponder. The ECU on ebay doesn't mention a key in the listing so I don't know if that would help...
This is the reason I didn't know about this and what really pisses me off:
Quote from the owners manual:

"This motorcycle comes equipped with a pair of identical ignition keys. Keep the spare key in a safe place
The key number is stamped on a plate provided with the keys. This nubmer is used when making replacement keys. Please write you key number in the box provided for you future reference. If the two keys are lost and key number is unknown, immobilizer system should be replaced."

I kept the key number, I still have the "plate" with the number on it. I don't think it is clear at all how screwed you are if you lose the keys...

[imdying]

Before you get all crazy with OEM parts, see if Yoshimura make an ECU for it. It'll be adjustable, probably won't cost much more if at all. Of course, such a thing might not exist... but with the net being what it is, it's worth investigating at least :) (always a chance, given yoshi are gsxr whores and all :D)

[rwh]

Certainly sounds dodgy. Talk to a lawyer?

Richard

[crazybigal]

see if you can buy a wreck that has the keys.
then sell off the bits to make your coin back, got to be better than paying 2k for a new ecm and keys.


The whole point of transponder keys is that if it is stolen, the F*ckwits who took it have to replace the whole ECU. My 2006 GSXR came with two transponder keys and a little fob with a key number on that has an explanation in the manual - "don't lose the number or your f*cked." They don't say if you lose both keys you are also f*cked. Stupid me thought when I lost my first key I could use that code to get another one so I wasn't in too much of a hurry. So when the bastards who clean out all my stuff from my house took my last key I wasn't too worried, I was pretty glad they didn't manage to take my bike due to the Abus bike lock. Not for lack of trying, they violated the abus lock with a screwdriver big time. So even when my contents insurance (Fintel/tower) says, not my problem its a motor vehicle "spare part or accessory" I think OK, I'll wear the cost for a new key. Out of interest I ask my bike insurance people (Star) about it and they say "not us! that's contents insurance that is..."
Now I think the final word is I am f*cked - Suzuki NZ direct says the only option is to replace the ECM. The only figure I have so far is a guesstimate from a dealer of $2000 plus.
I have one faint hope...I think I most likely lost the first key somewhere around the house...it is time to tear it up and make it even messier than those thieving bastards left it.
Does anybody know where I can get a second hand ECU plus key? Or how much an aftermarket ECU like a Yoshimura would set me back?

[cowpoos]

yoshi ecu is a kit race ecu...it will work with a road harness I understand...but still needs transponder key...failing that...you can buy a yoshi race harness and not need transponder key...but...you will then be unable to run headlights,indercators etc!! lol

My advise...ring suzuki NZ your self...see if you get better customer support direct...and also...I personally think that the motorbike insurance outfit shouldn't just fob you off like that...as acc and theift should be part of policy...go read your policy..and see if there are exclusions etc???

[imdying]

yoshi ecu is a kit race ecu...it will work with a road harness I understand...but still needs transponder key...failing that...you can buy a yoshi race harness and not need transponder key...but...you will then be unable to run headlights,indercators etc!! lolCheers for the info cp :yes:

[classic zed]

Another point worth mentioning to the insurance company is that now the thieves have the key they might come back for the bike.

If the locks and ecu are changed the bike is relatively safe, which is cheaper for them, replace the ECU or the complete bike?

[K6K]

yoshi ecu is a kit race ecu...it will work with a road harness I understand...but still needs transponder key...failing that...you can buy a yoshi race harness and not need transponder key...but...you will then be unable to run headlights,indercators etc!! lol

My advise...ring suzuki NZ your self...see if you get better customer support direct...and also...I personally think that the motorbike insurance outfit shouldn't just fob you off like that...as acc and theift should be part of policy...go read your policy..and see if there are exclusions etc???


I wondered about the yoshi wiring harness etc....
I am going to push this with the insurance co'....
I have rung suzuki NZ...they have stated that once the keys are gone...no option but to replace ECU.

[Pussy]

the US and Canadian spec bikes don't have the transponder/immobiliser set up.
Might be worth a crack getting hold of an ECU from one of them?

[K6K]

Another point worth mentioning to the insurance company is that now the thieves have the key they might come back for the bike.

If the locks and ecu are changed the bike is relatively safe, which is cheaper for them, replace the ECU or the complete bike?

I did call and ask them about this...to make sure I didn't withhold info etc so if it did get stolen I would be covered. Star said they didn't expect me to replace the ignition/ecu etc. and at the time I didn't expect it to cost so much.

[K6K]

the US and Canadian spec bikes don't have the transponder/immobiliser set up.
Might be worth a crack getting hold of an ECU from one of them?

Thanks, I thought the Canadian keys didn't have transponders but I didn't know about the US. I hadn't thought of sourcing one there.

[classic zed]

The ones I listed from eBay are from the states, I wouldnt think there would be much if any difference afterall the other components in the system should be the same :2thumbsup

[ArcherWC]

Just be aware that they often have different ECU's (or mapping) in the states because of their emmision rules. and as such can be WAY down on power etc. I have heard of cases of up to half the Hp lost

[*caution*]

So what if you just lose one key? can they replace that?

[Pussy]

So what if you just lose one key? can they replace that?

Yep, I believe Suzuki can transfer transponder information between keys, the owners manual says something about a maximum of two extra keys

[K6K]

YEEEEAH I found the original key that I lost!!! after tearing apart my house and finding crap that I never new I lost, it was hidden in the deepest darkest recesses of the lazyboy chair. Ive looked in there several times (for other lost items) and never seen it. After pulling the back off and finding a small hole in the internal stitching it was found!!! :Punk:

I am f*ckin stoked to find it. I also found enough gold and silver coins to pay for the replacement spare (almost anyway)

So happy ending for me, I'm going to get the replacement spare coded tomorrow. Lesson learned, those of you with transponder keys take note!!

Cheers guys

[Pussy]

YEEEEAH I found the original key that I lost!!! after tearing apart my house and finding crap that I never new I lost, it was hidden in the deepest darkest recesses of the lazyboy chair. Ive looked in there several times (for other lost items) and never seen it. After pulling the back off and finding a small hole in the internal stitching it was found!!! :Punk:

I am f*ckin stoked to find it. I also found enough gold and silver coins to pay for the replacement spare (almost anyway)

So happy ending for me, I'm going to get the replacement spare coded tomorrow. Lesson learned, those of you with transponder keys take note!!

Cheers guys

Great news! Now, have a spare key surgically attached to yourself

[*caution*]

Yep, I believe Suzuki can transfer transponder information between keys, the owners manual says something about a maximum of two extra keys

sweet better spread the word to my dad, he just bought a K7 thou....

well done with finding your keys mate, you'd be stoked!!!

[NinjaBoy]

YEEEEAH I found the original key that I lost!!! after tearing apart my house and finding crap that I never new I lost, it was hidden in the deepest darkest recesses of the lazyboy chair. Ive looked in there several times (for other lost items) and never seen it. After pulling the back off and finding a small hole in the internal stitching it was found!!! :Punk:

I am f*ckin stoked to find it. I also found enough gold and silver coins to pay for the replacement spare (almost anyway)

So happy ending for me, I'm going to get the replacement spare coded tomorrow. Lesson learned, those of you with transponder keys take note!!

Cheers guys


Great news ! I was discussing this very problem with Leong on the weekend with my GSXR as I only have one key and nothing else. I obviously need to do the same pronto

[Wheeliemonsta]

Soloution to the whole problem is pretty obvious

:bash:DON'T LOSE YOUR FUCKING KEYS... :bash:

I mean for god sake guys were all supposed to be intelligent adults here, are we not...?

Is it just me or do I see a bunch of people bleating & moaning about something you would have been well advised about, had you taken the time to sit down & read your owners handbook...

Take some responsabilty for your own actions here folks, instead of trying to blame someone else for your own ineptitude...

Just my humble opinion

Cheers

:rockon:

[vifferman]

Glad you found the spare, K6K! :niceone:

I was a bit pissed off when I discovered my Euro-spec RC46 didn't have the H.I.S.S. (Honda Integrated Security System) the 2001 models were supposed to have, but I'm rather glad now it doesn't. I still have both keys AND the tag, but I don't really need any other electronic malarkey, which is what has stopped me fitting a bike alarm.

[klyong82]

So what if you just lose one key? can they replace that?

My Fireblade came with one HISS key so they just recorded the tag and the numbers on my ignition HISS barrel and ordered another key for me. It took 2 and the half months to finally get as it came from Honda Japan. Do not know how much it cost as it was part of the condition when I bought the bike.

So don't lose your keys. Can be expensive and an lengthy wait.

[K6K]

Soloution to the whole problem is pretty obvious

:bash:DON'T LOSE YOUR FUCKING KEYS... :bash:

I mean for god sake guys were all supposed to be intelligent adults here, are we not...?

Is it just me or do I see a bunch of people bleating & moaning about something you would have been well advised about, had you taken the time to sit down & read your owners handbook...

Take some responsabilty for your own actions here folks, instead of trying to blame someone else for your own ineptitude...

Just my humble opinion

Cheers

:rockon:

er yes that solution is obvious as you stated...the obvious.
I have met people before who are so super anal that they would never lose their keys...I usually try to only meet them once though. If someone does reveal their own ineptitude by misplacing one of their keys and their owners manual doesn't state that their remaining key is now worth $3000 if lost or stolen....Well they might appreciate a "Warning for bikes with Transponder Keys!"
Or the thread could have just been "dont lose your fucking keys dumbass!" Obviously.

[pete376403]

. So even when my contents insurance (Fintel/tower) says, not my problem its a motor vehicle "spare part or accessory" I think OK, I'll wear the cost for a new key. Out of interest I ask my bike insurance people (Star) about it and they say "not us! that's contents insurance that is..."
I'd be having Star on about this - it's a part of the bike. Without the key the bike is unuseable, ie it's a write off. they can either pay out the whole insured value or replace the ECU (less your excess ) IMHO of course.
However now you've found the key the point is moot.
On a slightly insurance related note - I was talking to a car dealer today - discussing airbags. He said that with some cars, when the bags go off - the car becomes a write off, as the cost of replacing the dash panels, steering wheel, door panels and roof lining (for those exotics that have full surround air bags) exceeds the value of the car. No wonder premiums are skyrocketing.

[The Stranger]

Have you had a word with the insurance ombudsman (http://www.iombudsman.org.nz/)?

[devnull]

Time to get the RFID chip in the key embedded into you somewhere.
At least that way nobody will steal it unless they take a piece of you with them...

(That actually happened in Malaysia - a new Merc that relied on scanning a fingerprint instead of a key. Thieves cut the bloke's hand off)

[SVboy]

Well, I have taken your lesson on board-having a 600k7 and all! Now I need a failsafe hiding place for key 2-that crooks wont find and I will never forget. I could swallow it but see that becoming repetitive and distasteful in short order!! Glad you found yours!