Watson: Guilty or innocent?

[Skyryder]

In light of a police officer coming forward in the belief of Watson innocent and the couple that recently made a statement to the effect that they saw a boat resembilng the mystery ketch I thought a poll her on Watson's innocent or guilt might be interesting. I'll run it for 14 days.

So say what you like innocent guilty don't know.

Skyryder

[MSTRS]

SW is no angel....but he didn't do this one. Never thought he did, actually. Too much conflict of 'evidence' to facts.

[ynot slow]

Too many deficiencies in truth,people have stated he was /wasn't at the bar depending on the police,and the ketch is the biggie,proven that it couldn't get the places in time frame.

[Big Dan]

would be interesting if they done an episode of sensing murder on this

[Scouse]

Well he is guilty of somthing, just not guilty of murder.

[janno]

SW certainly isn't someone I'd want for a neighbour but at the time of the trial I thought what a bleedin frame up.

Purely cos an experienced water taxi driver and the other yachties no doubt live and breath boats and can tell the difference between a ketch and a whatever it was.

A bit like a witness saying they were picked up in a ute and the police saying, no it was definitely a hatchback, you were completely wrong in what you think you saw.

I'd thought about the Sensing Murder possibilities too, I'd be curious to see how good those psychics were on this one. I wonder why they don't have an attempt?

[MisterD]

Don't know if this ex-cop's revelations add any weight - sounds like he has his knickers in a bunch with his former employers if you ask me.

[Hitcher]

Rather than guilty or innocent, I would argue "not proven". I believe that the jury in this case convicted on burden of proof, rather than beyond reasonable doubt. Given many revelations/allegations about the Police investigation, presentation of evidence and good old spin doctoring, I think there are enough grounds to warrant a retrial.

No bodies, no motive, no weapon, no credible/reliable witnesses, no evidence: all sound a bit like an unsafe outcome to me.

[98tls]

Read the book you directed me to Skyryder and i ticked dont know in the options but still,guilty or not i sincerely hope they keep him where he is as the guy is a worthless sack of shit and i for one dont mind them using the money i contribute every week via taxes to keep him well banged up.Let him out and someone sooner or later will suffer some form of misery because he exists,probably more so now as being banged up (again) has only added fuel to his "the world owes me theory".And yes before the tree huggers chime in i have met him.

[Mully]

Rather than guilty or innocent, I would argue "not proven". I believe that the jury in this case convicted on burden of proof, rather than beyond reasonable doubt. Given many revelations/allegations about the Police investigation, presentation of evidence and good old spin doctoring, I think there are enough grounds to warrant a retrial.

No bodies, no motive, no weapon, no credible/reliable witnesses, no evidence: all sound a bit like an unsafe outcome to me.

I concur.

Put "I don't know" because, although he may have done it, I don't believe he should have been convicted on the evidence.

[doc]

In light of a police officer coming forward in the belief of Watson innocent and the couple that recently made a statement to the effect that they saw a boat resembilng the mystery ketch I thought a poll her on Watson's innocent or guilt might be interesting. I'll run it for 14 days.

So say what you like innocent guilty don't know.

Skyryder
Why do you have so much passion about this case ?

[ElCoyote]

SW certainly isn't someone I'd want for a neighbour but at the time of the trial I thought what a bleedin frame up.

Purely cos an experienced water taxi driver and the other yachties no doubt live and breath boats and can tell the difference between a ketch and a whatever it was.

A bit like a witness saying they were picked up in a ute and the police saying, no it was definitely a hatchback, you were completely wrong in what you think you saw.

I'd thought about the Sensing Murder possibilities too, I'd be curious to see how good those psychics were on this one. I wonder why they don't have an attempt?

1) They will not be allowed to have an attempt, Uncle Helen will see to that.
2) SW was convicted by the media following hollow rhetoric by Hope's father
3) Inspector Hutton is alive and still active on this case
4) I suspect Peter Ellis and his coven, in his dungeons, were the real culprits:2thumbsup

[Maha]

Well he is guilty of somthing, just not guilty of murder.

i agree....i will never understand why, if you're innocent of a crime, why not make a song and dance about it, fuck it would!...he has never said a thing, i dont trust the prick at all, but that does not make him guilty of Murder. Take Auther Allen Thomas?...perfect example.

[Skyryder]

Why do you have so much passion about this case ?


Good question. One that I have never bothered to answer. I suppose deep down I have never liked any kind of injustice. Had a bit in my life but never anything on the scale of what Watson has had to go through. I had doubts on Watson right from the start and after seeing the doco on this it just reinforced my doubt. After reading the book it wasn't that Watson was innocent but the way that the evidence against him was both collected and presented to the court. This sorta struck a chord. I was in the area when the Ashburton girl went missing on New Years Day. I never saw a thing so realy had no reason to report my presence to the Police. A friend of mine talked me into going so I duly trot off. I will never volunteer to do that ever again. Instead of given the respect of helping the police to identy my vehicls I was treated as a suspect. Not in so much as what was said but the manner in which I was questioned. It was a thoughly uncomfortable place to be. Once the police 'convict' you then they look for the evidence and in watsons case this was manipulted to suit them. Would rob Pope be second in charge with spending all that mony and no conviction............I don't think so.

Passion.............yep passionate about a lot of things. I blame my star sign


Skyyrder

[Skyryder]

Read the book you directed me to Skyryder and i ticked dont know in the options but still,guilty or not i sincerely hope they keep him where he is as the guy is a worthless sack of shit and i for one dont mind them using the money i contribute every week via taxes to keep him well banged up.Let him out and someone sooner or later will suffer some form of misery because he exists,probably more so now as being banged up (again) has only added fuel to his "the world owes me theory".And yes before the tree huggers chime in i have met him.




So in effect you have your doubts but on the basis of what you know about him you believe he should stay where he is as you see him as a worthless sack of shit. Makes sense to you...... but as a tree hugger I just shake my head in bewilderment.

Skyryder

[McJim]

Free Scott Watson.......with every packet of Weetbix.

Every country has it's fair share of ambiguous arrests - I assume this is one of New Zealand's.

What sort of bike does he ride?

[Skyryder]

Free Scott Watson.......with every packet of Weetbix.

Every country has it's fair share of ambiguous arrests - I assume this is one of New Zealand's.

What sort of bike does he ride?

He rides the wind. I could make a case for the comparison. But not much point as he 'banged up' at the moment.

Skyryder

[98tls]

So in effect you have your doubts but on the basis of what you know about him you believe he should stay where he is as you see him as a worthless sack of shit. Makes sense to you...... but as a tree hugger I just shake my head in bewilderment.

Skyryder Absolutly,i bear you no malice at all mate and i respect most of your posts on the subject but will add that if and when he is released i would rather its you or at least another of his supporters lives that he affects,because if released have no doubt he will fuck up again,generally at someone elses expense or misery.The "its lotto odds theory" annoys me to be honest,chances are one of these fuck ups wont interrupt your life but for those that they do :angry2:Maybe when i knew him he was going through a bad time,methinks not.

[Toaster]

I am aware of the details of the case and he is guilty. He is in jail. Get over it.

[jrandom]

I am aware of the details of the case and he is guilty.

You know something we don't? Why not share?

And, if something stops you from sharing, why do you think anyone will place any weight on your unsupported statement?

[Skyryder]

I am aware of the details of the case and he is guilty. He is in jail. Get over it.


So what details of the case are you aware of that allows you to have such complete confidence in Watson's guilt? I'd like to know if for no other reason than to change my sig.

Skyryder

[imdying]

Who

guilty or not i sincerely hope they keep him where he is as the guy is a worthless sack of shit
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What sort of bike does he ride?
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I am aware of the details of the case and he is guilty. He is in jail. Get over it.
fuck.

He isn't going to sell me an RG500, so he might as well be in jail somewhere for all I care. :rolleyes:

/edit: Thanks to the above posters for summing it up for me, especially you Jim... no bike, no interest :yes:

[Oakie]

They had that ex cop who made the allegations on TV this morning. I got a bad feeling about him during the interview as he would not look the camera 'in the eye'. He subsequently admitted that he resigned from the force when he was charged with dishonesty offences and admitted doing jail time for this. To his credit, he was quite open about this and did not try to evade the issue.
OK. So the guy who is questioning the Police's actions may have a grudge against the Police and has a criminal record for dishonesty. It would be hard for me personally to give his claims any credibility. You guys can make up your own minds.

[MSTRS]

OK. So the guy who is questioning the Police's actions may have a grudge against the Police and has a criminal record for dishonesty. It would be hard for me personally to give his claims any credibility. You guys can make up your own minds.

I understand the media tracked him down, not the other way round. That, to me, says the man does not have an axe to grind or he would have done something about his story long ago.

[Pixie]

They had that ex cop who made the allegations on TV this morning. I got a bad feeling about him during the interview as he would not look the camera 'in the eye'.
Video crews generally advise interviewees not to look at the camera, as it make them look dorkish - as John Banks does when he habitually looks direct down the lens

[Lias]

I'm slowly starting to come around to the idea he might be innocent, but I'm a long way from convinced. Also even if he IS innocent of these murders he just gives off the vibes hes guilty of something else.

Whereas I'm convinced that David Bain is truly innocent and should be free, Scott Watson is guilty of something and probably deserves to be in jail whether or not he actually did these murders.

[MSTRS]

He/anyone in jail should be there for the right reason. Not because of something they didn't do.
I agree SW is a sleazebag, can't put my finger on why I feel that way tho. Perhaps he drugged young ladies and had his way??? Fair enough to be inside for that, but he wasn't charged and convicted of that, was he?

[Skyryder]

I'm slowly starting to come around to the idea he might be innocent, but I'm a long way from convinced. Also even if he IS innocent of these murders he just gives off the vibes hes guilty of something else.

Whereas I'm convinced that David Bain is truly innocent and should be free, Scott Watson is guilty of something and probably deserves to be in jail whether or not he actually did these murders.

We all start with doubts. All you gota do now is come to the understanding that he needs to be convicted of an offence, not that he is 'probably' guilty of something and deserves to be in jail. Still it's a start and I live in hope.:clap:

Where you believe in Bains innocence: I give him some doubt where as with Watson's innocence.......... there is none.


Skyryder

[SPman]

It's the police dismissal of the ketch that got me. Any boaty worth his salt knows a ketch from a normal yacht, and for the police to say they were all imagining things, or lying, set the standard "they're trying to make the 'facts' fit their case" alarm bells ringing, in my mind.
Watson is a sad SOB, but if you are going to convict someone, it should be on firm, sound evidence, well researched and presented - not the ever increasing - "we've got the sod, now, what can we stitch around him to convict him"! and "trial by media" mentality, - tempting though it may be.
The prisons of the world are full of non guilty people who just happen to be around the wrong cops at the wrong time, no reason for it to be happening in NZ, though.

[Coldrider]

have a grudge against the Police and has a criminal record for dishonesty. It would be hard for me personally to give his claims any credibility. The cops used evidence from someone in prison who had said that Scott Watson had said......

Anyway I think the whole case and evidence is a crock of....

Guilty of being busted, the cops needed someone for the kids and he was it.

[Skyryder]

Pope may have lied to get a warrant to bug Watson's phone.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10479528

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Pope may have lied to get a warrant to bug Watson's phone.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10479528

Skyryder

Thanks to the mod who moved this. Different topic....... different thread.

I suppose it's too much to ask to have it put back on a thread of it's own.

Skyryder

[Swoop]

They had that ex cop who made the allegations on TV this morning. I got a bad feeling about him during the interview as he would not look the camera 'in the eye'.
What a weird interview that was. He set up a website and shuffled a few papers in the background... Big deal.
Good work tvnz. Glad to see you are spending the taxpayers money wisely.