Police, feckers or what?

[martybabe]

:Police: Yesterday I asked some of you guys some exhaust related questions and one about birds but I didn't explain why.Thats because it would be a rant. here is that rant! In england it's the crime of the century to have non standard pipes or small number plates,The nazis can be seen at most bike meets chekin exhausts for european approval stamps and measuring number plates.One of the highest serious crime rates in the world so they fill their crime stats books up with bikers who's numberplates are 2mm to small.
You may think this is sour grapes but you'd be wrong I have never been pulled for such a thing.:angry2:but it is so bloody wrong. bikers and speeding car drivers,safety my arse, just easy targets,get the money punish the mostly law abiding but don't catch the bastard that killed an old lady in my street for a bag of chips and 30pence.Don't turn up when you've had your bike nicked,Don't even attend minor road accidents,cause thier to busy measuring number plates somewhere.:argh:
You wana judge a society look at it's police force,In Britain police are,in general,inefective,corrupt,pompus money grabbin Bastards, IN MY OPINION.

whats yours like boys n girls? :calm: :2guns::Police::thud:

[James Deuce]

Gahhhh.

errrr, repost?

[SwanTiger]

If you are that passionate about the issue then become a politician or an activist and make a contribution to the positive change in our society.

However, I am guessing that you're not really that passionate about it and even if you were, given time the world of politics and activism would corrupt your opinion.

It's a lost cause, worry about how many woman you have sex with before you die, it's really the only thing you'll regret on your death bed, in my opinion anyway.

[janno]

Repost? I haven't seen it. So in that case, it negates any repost-osity, m'lud.

I like the po-po here, though a)it concerns me about younger and younger people joining, with lower standards to boot. Perhaps got something to do with the low pay compared to other jobs they could get, and the lack of power they have to prosecut certain things, such as the joke that is "Youff Court" and anything to do with Family matters. and b)Mr Plod mates have told me policing now is not "challenging but rewarding" like it used to be, but more pointless and petty.

Must be a better policeforce now Clit Rickards and the like have been weeded out.

[martybabe]

Gahhhh.

errrr, repost?

Gahhh indeed and I didn't even metion the chief constable that put out pictures of a decapitated biker on pamphlets for a road safety campaign,without seeking permision from his family!!!!!!, first they knew was when they saw a leaflet with a picture of a headless corpse and it was thier father,brother,husband whatever. I say again the're evil corrupt insensitive thick cruel and useless BASTARDS.Feck em just Feck em:angry2:

[James Deuce]

Repost? I haven't seen it. So in that case, it negates any repost-osity, m'lud.



It's a hoary old chestnut troll designed to get people to put their black & white opinions down on virtual paper. The poster may be different, and the words inflected (infected?) with clipped Jersey tones, but the message has been posted over, and over, and over, and over, and over....

[janno]

Gahhh indeed and I didn't even metion the chief constable that put out pictures of a decapitated biker on pamphlets for a road safety campaign,without seeking permision from his family!!!!!!, first they knew was when they saw a leaflet with a picture of a headless corpse and it was thier father,brother,husband whatever. I say again the're evil corrupt insensitive thick cruel and useless BASTARDS.Feck em just Feck em:angry2:

Have another coffee, dear, it's too early in the morning to get your gruts in a twist . . .

Or are we breakfasting au natural this a.m.? The mind boggles!!

[martybabe]

If you are that passionate about the issue then become a politician or an activist and make a contribution to the positive change in our society.

However, I am guessing that you're not really that passionate about it and even if you were, given time the world of politics and activism would corrupt your opinion.

It's a lost cause, worry about how many woman you have sex with before you die, it's really the only thing you'll regret on your death bed, in my opinion anyway.

:2thumbsup I agree, I lurv them ladies and if you read my other threads you'll see I'm a take life on the chin kinda guy but them bastards just make my skin crawl,stick pins under my nails etc.
I spent twenty years as a firefighter.can you imagine what would happen if I didn't turn up to a fire or R.T.A. because I was tooo busy checking the flame height of cigarette lighters. Feck you copper:mad: mmmmm love dem ladies though:lol:

[martybabe]

It's a hoary old chestnut troll designed to get people to put their black & white opinions down on virtual paper. The poster may be different, and the words inflected (infected?) with clipped Jersey tones, but the message has been posted over, and over, and over, and over, and over....


Genuinely sorry if you've heard it all before,not been on kb very long, no design and no intention just needed to vent my spleen, remembering injustices of the past and wondered if you guys are fellow sufferers. Don't share,thats cool, it benefits me not if people want to type pages of peeves on this thread or think as you do,that this is intentionally designed to draw an impassioned response,join in or don't but allow me to let off steam if I wanna.I shall withdraw the invitation from the bottom of the original post and leave it as a simple beef about the tendency of the British police to ride roughshod over the rights and feelings of predominantly decent and moral people just because there easy targets.I thought people would enjoy ruminating over the behaviour of police forces towards towards bikers abroad and wanted to hear the state of play in NZ. I'm an admirer of your contributions to KB jim2 and am affronted that you judge me to be so shallow,just ignorant of whats gone before.what a fecker I am eh.

[MSTRS]

A serious answer for you. The group of failed police known as ParkingNazis tend to be the nit-picking type over the sort of minor transgressions you mention. Although I don't think the number plate thing is an issue here

[martybabe]

A serious answer for you. The group of failed police known as ParkingNazis tend to be the nit-picking type over the sort of minor transgressions you mention. Although I don't think the number plate thing is an issue here

Thanks mate,your number plates are only half the size of uk ones so the desire to minimise them would be less I guess.:niceone:

[James Deuce]

Genuinely sorry if you've heard it all before,not been on kb very long, no design and no intention just needed to vent my spleen, remembering injustices of the past and wondered if you guys are fellow sufferers. Don't share,thats cool, it benefits me not if people want to type pages of peeves on this thread or think as you do,that this is intentionally designed to draw an impassioned response,join in or don't but allow me to let off steam if I wanna.:Play nice:

No dramas, but we're aware of the headless corpse pictures as well.

We have cops on the site who are good people, first and foremost, and it gets really tiresome for them (and some of us) to have this message posted over and over. Rant about a specific case all you want, but make sure you have your facts right.

A general anti-pigs rant is a little unfair.

[Hitcher]

Last night I had this really amazing beer. It was fantastically refreshing and hit the spot rather nicely.

[ManDownUnder]

OH MY GOD - The NZ Police... where do I start????

OK - they're a diverse bunch of people, pretty much like you'd meet in any employee group. There are tall ones, short ones, one with egos, ones who enjoy power trips but mostly they're there to do the job the best they can under the driections they were handed from above.

The job they do is a losing one - i.e. don't care what they do their main visbility is handing out warnings, notices, tickets and enforcing rules than have been broken. As a result they're not ever really going to be painted in a good light generally, despite the fact they do a job that I wouldn't want to.

They're underpaid, under-resourced, work some socially awkward hours, are constrained by the letigious dictates of the courts and absolutely must have every little thing tied down if they should ever have to take something through court of the lying little shits they're trying to protect the rest of us from will walk out on some inane technicality.

And I've personally never had a problem with them.

Does that answer the question? I hope so coz I have one of my own. Why did a complaint about the UK Police asking "what's it like over there" come out of New Plymouth? Sounds like someone wanting to stir the pot to me...

[idb]

Thanks mate,your number plates are only half the size of uk ones so the desire to minimise them would be less I guess.:niceone:

Oi...we're a bit sensitive about that over here and anyway size doesn't matter!!!!
Or so I've been reassured.

[SwanTiger]

:2thumbsup I agree, I lurv them ladies and if you read my other threads you'll see I'm a take life on the chin kinda guy but them bastards just make my skin crawl,stick pins under my nails etc.
I spent twenty years as a firefighter.can you imagine what would happen if I didn't turn up to a fire or R.T.A. because I was tooo busy checking the flame height of cigarette lighters. Feck you copper:mad: mmmmm love dem ladies though:lol:

I hear you brother.

[martybabe]

OH MY GOD - The NZ Police... where do I start????

. Why did a complaint about the UK Police asking "what's it like over there" come out of New Plymouth?

Blimey: o.k. to answer your question. I am a new commer to NZ and KB and in simple terms,I was relaying my opinion and experience of UK policing towards bikers in the uk and soliciting opinions and experiences of the relationship between NZ bikers and the police force here.Thats it,I have no opinion on the boys in blue here at all and thats why I sought your council.It would appear thus far, that the're held in fairly high regard and thats good to hear.:confused:

[MSTRS]

Blimey: o.k. to answer your question. I am a new commer to NZ and KB and in simple terms,I was relaying my opinion and experience of UK policing towards bikers in the uk and soliciting opinions and experiences of the relationship between NZ bikers and the police force here.Thats it,I have no opinion on the boys in blue here at all and thats why I sought your council.It would appear thus far, that they're held in fairly high regard and thats good to hear.:confused:

What? Since when? Have I missed something?

[ManDownUnder]

Blimey: o.k. to answer your question. I am a new commer to NZ and KB and in simple terms,I was relaying my opinion and experience of UK policing towards bikers in the uk and soliciting opinions and experiences of the relationship between NZ bikers and the police force here.Thats it,I have no opinion on the boys in blue here at all and thats why I sought your council.It would appear thus far, that the're held in fairly high regard and thats good to hear.:confused:

All good mate - glad to hear this ia somewhat qualified thread and not simply an excuse "bash the bastards" as we've had far too many of those.

Just so you know - I may be a bit of a goodie two shoes according to some but I'm happy with the cops personally (can you tell). There will be opinions both ways on this of course... but cop bashing turned into a sport around here a while ago and it annoyed the snot out of me.

[Grahameeboy]

Gahhh indeed and I didn't even metion the chief constable that put out pictures of a decapitated biker on pamphlets for a road safety campaign,without seeking permision from his family!!!!!!, first they knew was when they saw a leaflet with a picture of a headless corpse and it was thier father,brother,husband whatever. I say again the're evil corrupt insensitive thick cruel and useless BASTARDS.Feck em just Feck em:angry2:

I think the idea itself was a good one, just they forgot to tell the family who may have given permission had they been consulted........this does not make the Police evil etc, just silly............

[jrandom]

I had a call from a police officer up north this morning. An acquaintance of mine got nicked shooting on a farmer's property without permission, it would seem.

Again. Dumb bugger.

And they're sorting it out.

The NZ Police do a lot of hard work behind the scenes to keep things straight in this country, and my impression has always been that the vast majority of them are good honest sorts who are doing their best at a mucky job for very average pay.

Any political party that pledges significant pay rises for cops will get my attention at the next election.

[martybabe]

All good mate - glad to hear this ia somewhat qualified thread and not simply an excuse "bash the bastards" as we've had far too many of those.

Just so you know - I may be a bit of a goodie two shoes according to some but I'm happy with the cops personally (can you tell). There will be opinions both ways on this of course... but cop bashing turned into a sport around here a while ago and it annoyed the snot out of me.

:laugh:cheers mate your response was exactly what I was after,I think I've been a bit missundertood on here, if people tell me the cops are a good bunch over here thats mighty good news as far as I'm concerned.:niceone:

[martybabe]

I think the idea itself was a good one, just they forgot to tell the family who may have given permission had they been consulted........this does not make the Police evil etc, just silly............

Yip,maybe.The evil actually refers to bludgeoning desperate women from horseback during the miners strike,but I've upset enough people today and it's got nothing to do with bikes anyway. thanks for your opinion.

[Grahameeboy]

Yip,maybe.The evil actually refers to bludgeoning desperate women from horseback during the miners strike,but I've upset enough people today and it's got nothing to do with bikes anyway. thanks for your opinion.

Miners strike!!!..............Did you come via a time warp and miss 20 years or what.............

[martybabe]

Last attempt and I'm done. In my opinion and drawn from my experience your brothers in the uk get a raw deal from over zealous policing. if you think that hundreds of police,riot waggons and helicopters are a justified representation at an erstwhile friendly peaceful Sunday afternoon bikers gathering,cool.If you think an exhaust that meets noise regs but isn't stamped c/e approved, warrants a day in court,a fine and points on your license is fair, when you can steel a car and walk free from court,ok.
I just thought you would be interested to know and I was interested to know your opinion on the policing of bikers over here.
I have barley seen a policeman let alone spoken to one since I've been here and I therefor have no opinion on them at all. Bashing NZ police was not and is not my intention.If there good fair play.
I ,for my trouble ,have been lampooned derided and accused of dishonesty,sensationalising,attention seeking and muckraking. Those of you that gave your opinions on NZ policing,thank you.To the others, I'm sorry you misunderstood my intentions but thanks for contributing.:mellow::done:

[car]

Last attempt and I'm done. In my opinion and drawn from my experience your brothers in the uk get a raw deal from over zealous policing. if you think that hundreds of police,riot waggons and helicopters are a justified representation at an erstwhile friendly peaceful Sunday afternoon bikers gathering,cool.If you think an exhaust that meets noise regs but isn't stamped c/e approved, warrants a day in court,a fine and points on your license is fair, when you can steel a car and walk free from court,ok.

Not my experience, bro'. Sounds like you've had a real rough run, but that doesn't match my experience of the police in the UK at all.

Went to plenty of races, and all they ever seemed to be doing was making sure that people kept it sane and got out of the event as smoothly as possible. Got pulled (or had police attend the scene) a few times and never got done for an illegal plate or noisy exhaust, despite usually carry at least one of the two. I've had speeding tickets downgraded or waived, as well as a failure to produce (I got done for speeding on a bike I'd just bought that had no MoT or tax.)

And I've had the same deal here: no dramas, reasonable treatment. Hell, even the renowned Wellington traffic wardens let me off that $200 "failure to display" ticket when I produced my documentation. Yes, I have finally learned my lessons, and that's good policing IMHO.

Might just be one man's good luck against another's bad, and maybe the truth lies between. I heard plenty of bitching when I lived in the UK and I've heard plenty over here, but I've yet to feel the effects of either. Touch wood.

[idb]

....
I ,for my trouble ,have been....derided....

I hear your pain brother.
I've been derided myself, once on ice, once on gravel and once on oil...you've just got to get rerided as soon as possible...

[kiwifruit]

Last night I had this really amazing beer. It was fantastically refreshing and hit the spot rather nicely.

I can relate to that. The night before last i had a similar beverage.

[martybabe]

I hear your pain brother.
I've been derided myself, once on ice, once on gravel and once on oil...you've just got to get rerided as soon a possible...

:msn-wink:he he

[martybabe]

Not my experience, bro'. Sounds like you've had a real rough run, but that doesn't match my experience of the police in the UK at all.

Went to plenty of races, and all they ever seemed to be doing was making sure that people kept it sane and got out of the event as smoothly as possible. Got pulled (or had police attend the scene) a few times and never got done for an illegal plate or noisy exhaust, despite usually carry at least one of the two. I've had speeding tickets downgraded or waived, as well as a failure to produce (I got done for speeding on a bike I'd just bought that had no MoT or tax.)

And I've had the same deal here: no dramas, reasonable treatment. Hell, even the renowned Wellington traffic wardens let me off that $200 "failure to display" ticket when I produced my documentation. Yes, I have finally learned my lessons, and that's good policing IMHO.



Might just be one man's good luck against another's bad, and maybe the truth lies between. I heard plenty of bitching when I lived in the UK and I've heard plenty over here, but I've yet to feel the effects of either. Touch wood.

yep you've done well there! matlock bath, The Warterman inn Warick, devils bridge....Jeeez It's like trying to get thru american airport security.:confused:

[The Pastor]

yeah it sucks when they ticket you so much and yet dont care when you get burgled. basterds.

[mstriumph]

we are having issues here at the moment with police corruption

the really tragic thing is that the population seems to accept, as a matter of course, that the police are corrupt :baby:

beer, mr hitcher?.... prolly best if everyone stuck to beer - you don't GET corrupt beer ..........

[SPman]

I can relate to that. The night before last i had a similar beverage.

So did I!

And the best part was - I made it meself

[jrandom]

I can relate to that. The night before last i had a similar beverage.

Some particularly good cunt musta left it in your fridge...

[Skyryder]

Last night I had this really amazing beer. It was fantastically refreshing and hit the spot rather nicely.

Well share the beer. What was it? I'm always looking for a new brew.

If you ever come across Spitfire grab it.


Skyryder

[Grahameeboy]

Last attempt and I'm done. In my opinion and drawn from my experience your brothers in the uk get a raw deal from over zealous policing. if you think that hundreds of police,riot waggons and helicopters are a justified representation at an erstwhile friendly peaceful Sunday afternoon bikers gathering,cool.If you think an exhaust that meets noise regs but isn't stamped c/e approved, warrants a day in court,a fine and points on your license is fair, when you can steel a car and walk free from court,ok.
I just thought you would be interested to know and I was interested to know your opinion on the policing of bikers over here.
I have barley seen a policeman let alone spoken to one since I've been here and I therefor have no opinion on them at all. Bashing NZ police was not and is not my intention.If there good fair play.
I ,for my trouble ,have been lampooned derided and accused of dishonesty,sensationalising,attention seeking and muckraking. Those of you that gave your opinions on NZ policing,thank you.To the others, I'm sorry you misunderstood my intentions but thanks for contributing.:mellow::done:

Well there are a few places like Box Hill where when I was in the UK they used the road to have races with eachother. Many deaths and they changed the road lay out to try and avoid this....

[fliplid]

yep you've done well there! matlock bath, The Warterman inn Warick, devils bridge....Jeeez It's like trying to get thru american airport security.:confused:

Or most of Wales, North Yorks Moors, Peak District or Bassets Pole on a thursday night...
Been there, worn the pie, eaten the t-shirt! Only times I've been approached on the road here has been in the works truck.

Asides- I have a bottle or 2 of Spitfire in me fridge :niceone:

[Hitcher]

Hmmm. Spitfires...

[Edbear]

Hmmm. Spitfires...



Spitfires are so plane...:rolleyes:

[idb]

What was the name of those horror movies with Sigourney Weaver fighting creatures in planes...Aileron I think?

[judecatmad]

Yip,maybe.The evil actually refers to bludgeoning desperate women from horseback during the miners strike,but I've upset enough people today and it's got nothing to do with bikes anyway. thanks for your opinion.

My dad was a Policeman during said miners strike and whatever was dished out by the Police was nothing by comparison to the beating the boys in blue took every single day they stood on the front line.

I remember my dad coming home black and blue, day after day. Battered and bruised, only to be sent back out the next day and the next...and so on. And he's a BIG man who could more than hold his own at that time. I had no sympathy for the miners or their supporters back then and I maintain that stance to this day, having seen the REAL shit they gave out, not the media-spun version.

Most Policemen and women are good sorts who carry out the thankless job of maintaining a bit of law and order. We forget that the traffic divisions are separate to the general Police force and so have a different focus. Someone in Traffic would no more respond to a domestic incident than a Policeman would repsond to a call to put out a fire.

I've seen the general focus of the Police change over the years (more so in the UK since I have more experience of over there than I do of over here), but so much of that is due to staff shortages. They do the best with what they have.

Yes, there's money-making from roadside checks and countless speeding tickets. And yes, there is little attendance at, or interest given to, petty crimes (such as car crime). And yes, maybe they could be diverting those money-making resources into tackling more crime, but hey, how can we sit here and judge when we have no idea what the personnel guys have to work with?

Maybe it's because I was brought up to respect the Police, but my respect has never waned over the years. I still maintain if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear or to hide, and if something is done to you, there WILL be someone there to help. Until I'm proven wrong - personally - the Police are OK in my book.

As Dave said to me the other day - it's only the presence of the Police that stops him taking a baseball bat to the next boy-racer car to mmm-pish its way at speed down our street.....! (and I can't say I was able to disagree with the sentiment!) Thank the lord there's some law and order left in this world! LOL

[martybabe]

My dad was a Policeman during said miners strike and whatever was dished out by the Police was nothing by comparison to the beating the boys in blue took every single day they stood on the front line.

I remember my dad coming home black and blue, day after day. Battered and bruised, only to be sent back out the next day and the next...and so on. And he's a BIG man who could more than hold his own at that time. I had no sympathy for the miners or their supporters back then and I maintain that stance to this day, having seen the REAL shit they gave out, not the media-spun version.

Most Policemen and women are good sorts who carry out the thankless job of maintaining a bit of law and order. We forget that the traffic divisions are separate to the general Police force and so have a different focus. Someone in Traffic would no more respond to a domestic incident than a Policeman would repsond to a call to put out a fire.

I've seen the general focus of the Police change over the years (more so in the UK since I have more experience of over there than I do of over here), but so much of that is due to staff shortages. They do the best with what they have.

Yes, there's money-making from roadside checks and countless speeding tickets. And yes, there is little attendance at, or interest given to, petty crimes (such as car crime). And yes, maybe they could be diverting those money-making resources into tackling more crime, but hey, how can we sit here and judge when we have no idea what the personnel guys have to work with?

Maybe it's because I was brought up to respect the Police, but my respect has never waned over the years. I still maintain if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear or to hide, and if something is done to you, there WILL be someone there to help. Until I'm proven wrong - personally - the Police are OK in my book.

As Dave said to me the other day - it's only the presence of the Police that stops him taking a baseball bat to the next boy-racer car to mmm-pish its way at speed down our street.....! (and I can't say I was able to disagree with the sentiment!) Thank the lord there's some law and order left in this world! LOL

I wasn't gona come back on this thread cause it's got a bit tedious as predicted but I gota say well done you. A heartfelt and genuine opinion and I aplaud you for it,infact for your loyalty and support of your dad alone I'm gona bling your botty.:yes:

[MSTRS]

.... I still maintain if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear or to hide, and if something is done to you, there WILL be someone there to help. ...

Hear what you are saying for the rest of it, but I'm sorry to say that this bit is just naive.

[jrandom]

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