Key phucks up again

[Skyryder]

John U Turn the Key has made another cockup and the National Party has blamed the production company...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4310624a10.html

..............Oh good one guys. When your boss fucks up it's someone else's fault but when Labour goof it's Helen's fault. Talk about double standards and some here want this guy run the country. :stupid:


Skyryder

[James Deuce]

I could see how there would be a problem if Coldplay made anything that remotely resembled music.

As it is I can't see what EMI's lawyers are upset about.

[Laava]

Hahahahahahahahahaha! Good one! Fuckin emo music!

[MisterD]

I could see how there would be a problem if Coldplay made anything that remotely resembled music.

As it is I can't see what EMI's lawyers are upset about.

+1...it's not as if he's written a song and it's gone to #1 is it?

[Skyryder]

I could see how there would be a problem if Coldplay made anything that remotely resembled music.

As it is I can't see what EMI's lawyers are upset about.


Nothing wrong with Coldplay. Nice sorta mellow music. Still the Nats did not think that their leader was worth the fight. I think that says a lot. :spanking:

Skyryder

[kro]

Coldplay is akin to coldfish, and about as appetizing.

[owner]

If he cant organise that hows he gunna organise us mugs
Hes a tool
Im happy under helens skirt

[Skyryder]

If he cant organise that hows he gunna organise us mugs
Hes a tool
Im happy under helens skirt


:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Skyryder

[JimO]

John U Turn the Key has made another cockup and the National Party has blamed the production company...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4310624a10.html

..............Oh good one guys. When your boss fucks up it's someone else's fault but when Labour goof it's Helen's fault. Talk about double standards and some here want this guy run the country. :stupid:


Skyryder

at least he said they would fix it...he DIDNT SAY " i dont recall making that dvd" ahla helen texting or i didnt know the car was doing 160 ks because i was doing work in the back

[Skyryder]

at least he said they would fix it...

That just goes to show how backward the Nats are. Anyone else would go into denial mode and blame Photoshop.:shit:

Skyyrder

[riffer]

Um. If you paid attention to the news report you will have heard that they questioned the Production company about possible copyright violation regarding a song sounding similar and were referred to the PR company's lawyers who provided a legal opinion that there was no case to answer.

Still... takes the heat off "loose hands" Mallard I guess.

[Bullitt]

What I picked up was they took the advice of someone who should have known what they were doing. Turned out to be the wrong decision. He has admitted it. No harm done. No story.

[Usarka]

I dont think key picked the music or was directly part of the process.

unlike, ummm, speeding motorcades. something about corn.... paintings... supporting child abusers and corrupt ministers.... election spending... etc etc etc etc etc etc etc x infinity so there.

[MSTRS]

Im happy under helens skirt

You're a sick sick puppy....anyway, it's rude to talk with your mouth half full :whistle:

[Street Gerbil]

All is fair in love and war. If you are against somebody, fling as much mud as you can and something will stick. One can always yell that the daughter of the chairman of the church committee is a prostitute. If that's what it takes to ensure he is not re-elected, does it really matter that he only has sons? Right?
Good thing that decent people usually see right through this bullsh!t.

[Mully]

I dont think key picked the music or was directly part of the process.

Yes, he did. He must have. Or this thread is bullshit.

Oh, wait.......

[Robert Taylor]

All is fair in love and war. If you are against somebody, fling as much mud as you can and something will stick. One can always yell that the daughter of the chairman of the church committee is a prostitute. If that's what it takes to ensure he is not re-elected, does it really matter that he only has sons? Right?
Good thing that decent people usually see right through this bullsh!t.

I wonder if Frankensteins sister and her bully boys had a little input?

[Street Gerbil]

I wonder if Frankensteins sister and her bully boys had a little input?
As if there is any doubt...

[Swoop]

Im happy under helens skirt
So, you are staring at meat and 2 potato then???

[Oscar]

John U Turn the Key has made another cockup and the National Party has blamed the production company...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4310624a10.html

..............Oh good one guys. When your boss fucks up it's someone else's fault but when Labour goof it's Helen's fault. Talk about double standards and some here want this guy run the country. :stupid:


Skyryder

Jeez, there's a bit of a difference between fucking up music copyright (or not as it turned out), and fucking up the country.

Perhaps you should stop fixating on trivia and consider what Helen is trying to do to free speech in this country at the moment.

[Skyryder]

Jeez, there's a bit of a difference between fucking up music copyright (or not as it turned out), and fucking up the country.

Perhaps you should stop fixating on trivia and consider what Helen is trying to do to free speech in this country at the moment.




So how much has your speech cost you lately. I'm not paying anything for mine.


Skyryder

[stanko]

So how much has your speech cost you lately. I'm not paying anything for mine.


Skyryder

But then it dosent appear to be worth anything either.

[Skyryder]

But then it dosent appear to be worth anything either.

Not true. It was worth your time to read and reply. :bye:


Skyryder

[Oscar]

So how much has your speech cost you lately. I'm not paying anything for mine.


Skyryder

My free speech cost plenty and it's still worth fighting for.
Perhaps you should look into it.
Hell, if you got this excited about trivia, you'd probably chuck a gasket over summat really important...

[The Stranger]

..............Oh good one guys. When your boss fucks up it's someone else's fault but when Labour goof it's Helen's fault. Talk about double standards and some here want this guy run the country. :stupid:


Skyryder

Watcha on about skyrider?

They recalled the disks.
Now remind me, how did Helen atone for say the pledge card? Oh that's right change the law.

Take your pink blinkers off.

[Maha]

Would not of happened back in the Piggy's era...anyone remember the song 'Dont give me Kulcha' by NZ Band 'The Knobz'?

Love the Lyric....'So dont give me Culture, cos' im not hearing ya Rob...i can buzz around like a Beehive boy but i'd like to see ya do my job.....up front with the Knobz.

[The Stranger]

Still... takes the heat off "loose hands" Mallard I guess.

Not Guilty! Another excellent example to the nation on accepting responsibility for your actions, well done Mallard. Mind you, entirely consistent with labour ideals I guess.

[Skyryder]

My free speech cost plenty and it's still worth fighting for.
Perhaps you should look into it.
Hell, if you got this excited about trivia, you'd probably chuck a gasket over summat really important...

Yep I agree Key promoting himself should be seen for what it is..........trivia but one thing as a leader is that you don't blame others. And Key has. It's the 'Keywi' way. Key has consistantly failed in this area. His support is based on the publics dislike of Clark. That is the reason for the CD to promote himself.

As for the other matter I'd get a cheaper Internet provider.


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Not Guilty! Another excellent example to the nation on accepting responsibility for your actions, well done Mallard. Mind you, entirely consistent with labour ideals I guess.

Mallard plea is based on political considerations. He has publicly acknowledged that he 'punched' Henare and Henare has accepted Mallards apolgy. In the publics pereception Mallard is the guilty party and Henare comes out squeaky clean. Mallard by pleading guilty leaves himself open to political attack in house, and a criminal conviction to boot. He comes out of this worse off than he is at present. Which I suspect is the real reason for the private prosecution. But here's the kicker. If Henare is called to testify and he can be called both by the prosecution and the defence where he may be declared hostile. Henare is under oath and subject to cross examination. What was said by Henare for Mallad to act the way that he did?? The result of this is that Henare may come out of this worse than Mallard who may be found not guilty. Mallard does not have to give evidence and I would think it unlikely for his counsel to insist that he do so.


Skyryder

[Usarka]

Quote from Key in parliament re "the bill" directed at Labour.


"For once in your lives recognise that you are not bigger than the people of New Zealand."


From The Herald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10480410)

On ya key :niceone:

[The Stranger]

Mallard plea is based on political considerations. He has publicly acknowledged that he 'punched' Henare and Henare has accepted Mallards apolgy. In the publics pereception Mallard is the guilty party and Henare comes out squeaky clean. Mallard by pleading guilty leaves himself open to political attack in house, and a criminal conviction to boot. He comes out of this worse off than he is at present. Which I suspect is the real reason for the private prosecution. But here's the kicker. If Henare is called to testify and he can be called both by the prosecution and the defence where he may be declared hostile. Henare is under oath and subject to cross examination. What was said by Henare for Mallad to act the way that he did?? The result of this is that Henare may come out of this worse than Mallard who may be found not guilty. Mallard does not have to give evidence and I would think it unlikely for his counsel to insist that he do so.


Skyryder

What on earth does any of that have to do with accepting personal responsibility?
He fucked up - he should just accept that this is a consequence of a fuck up!

Is it any wonder much of the rest of the population refuse to accept personal responsibility when there are so many high profile cases coming out of government setting the example.

So once again a career Politian puts his career before the greater good of the country.
The arseholes should all be limited to a max 2 terms so they have no career to put first.

[Oscar]

Yep I agree Key promoting himself should be seen for what it is..........trivia but one thing as a leader is that you don't blame others. And Key has. It's the 'Keywi' way. Key has consistantly failed in this area. His support is based on the publics dislike of Clark. That is the reason for the CD to promote himself.

As for the other matter I'd get a cheaper Internet provider.


Skyryder

You seem to have forgotten Helen standing by whilst the cops in her entourage were crucified.

And Helen doesn't promote herself?
Do you remember the airbrushed posters?
Publicly funded pledge cards?

You need to slow down and take all the facts in - I realise it must be difficult with only one eye.

[Skyryder]

What on earth does any of that have to do with accepting personal responsibility?
He fucked up - he should just accept that this is a consequence of a fuck up!

Is it any wonder much of the rest of the population refuse to accept personal responsibility when there are so many high profile cases coming out of government setting the example.

So once again a career Politian puts his career before the greater good of the country.
The arseholes should all be limited to a max 2 terms so they have no career to put first.

By offering Henare an apology Mallard has accepted personal responsibility. That is in essence what an apology entails. I believe he has made other statement to much the same effect.

Skyryder

[Finn]

By offering Henare an apology Mallard has accepted personal responsibility. That is in essence what an apology entails. I believe he has made other statement to much the same effect.

Skyryder

Ahem...

I think most people are aware of what has happened to date. Erin Leigh revealed that a number of Environment Ministry staff were very unhappy with David Parker “suggesting” Claire Curran be hired, as they saw it as politicising the Ministry.

Trevor Mallard then got up in Parliament and labeled Leigh sad and incompetent.

This has been refuted by numerous neutral civil servants who have in fact raved about how good she is. Mind you, even if someone is not that good at their job, how much money would the Employment Tribunal award for a boss who gets up in public and calls her incompetent in front of the nation’s media? Trevor is off to a good start as Minister of Labour.

Anyway the 9th floor had been pushing stories about how Trevor went off on his own, and how Clark was not happy. So we got to hear yesterday what she though of Trevor Mallard using parliamentary privilege to destroy the career of a young former public servant.

From Hansard:

John Key: Does she condone or approve of Trevor Mallard’s savage attack, using parliamentary privilege, on *Erin Leigh when she blew the whistle on political interference at the Ministry for* the Environment?

HELEN CLARK: My understanding is that the Minister spoke on advice. Having read the Hansard, I consider it rather mild by his standards.

The translation is:

“The bitch should be glad Trevor didn’t punch her little face in, like he did to Tau”

I mean, seriously, does anyone other than Helen really think what Mallard did is appropriate?

It just goes to show how fake she was over Mallard needing to get his anger under control, and how she was demoting him.

Also nice to know that our Prime Minister no longer holds Minister to a high set of standards. What is the standard she now holds them to - “by his standards”. So its official Ministers are now to be judged against the standards of Trevor Mallard. I can safely predict none will ever fail!!

[Skyryder]

You seem to have forgotten Helen standing by whilst the cops in her entourage were crucified.

And Helen doesn't promote herself?
Do you remember the airbrushed posters?
Publicly funded pledge cards?

You need to slow down and take all the facts in - I realise it must be difficult with only one eye.

I believe you are referring to the so called 'Speedgate' affair.
There is such a thing as driver responsibilty. What pissedme off about that is the so called 'whip-round' in cabinet to pay the coppers fines. Seems to me that there was more than sympathy in that if indeed it did occur. Judge let them all off............. eventually.. Try blame your pillion next time you get caught speeding.

Nothing wrong with photoshop it's the way of the world. I doubt if there would not be many photos that have not been 'tricked out' even Key wears makup when he is interviewed on telly.

The pledge cards was orignaly sighned off as OK by the Solicitor General.
You have insulted me by calling me one eyed. I'm a cantab...........blind in both eyes.:clap:

Skyyrder

[Sanx]

Nothing wrong with photoshop it's the way of the world. I doubt if there would not be many photos that have not been 'tricked out' even Key wears makup when he is interviewed on telly.

Everyone wears make-up on TV, as the extremely bright studio lights tend to make people without makeup look like zombies. On the other hand, not everyone has their skin de-wrinkled, complexion smoothed over and teeth straightened by photoshop for an election poster.


The pledge cards was orignaly sighned off as OK by the Solicitor General.

Balls. No they weren't. The solicitor general does no pre-approve election or parliamentary spending. He is the crown's chief legal adviser and advocate, rules on aspects of law and authorises prosecutions. The parliamentary office dispurses parliament funds for normal parliament business, and these are the funds that were misused. Labour claimed the pledge card was normal parliamentary business and did not constitute electioneering. The Chief Electoral Officer, the Electoral Commission, the Auditor-General and the Solicitor-General all disagreed. This led to the introduction of the Appropriation (Continuation of Interim Meaning of Funding for Parliamentary Purposes) Bill, so sole purpose of which was to, in retrospect, legalise Labour's misuse of public money.

This blatant piece of dishonesty is further exaggerated by the Electoral Finance Bill which seeks to prevent other parties (in both senses of the word) from receiving and using their own money in an election year. According to Labour, it's OK to steal money from the public purse to use for electioneering, but third parties are no able to donate their own money to political parties anonymously or spend their own money to conduct campaigns themselves.

This whole thread has been typical of what I've come to expect from zealous Labour party apparatchiks. Ignore the vast catalogue of things this government have lied about, and seize on the most insignificant stuff-up by National. In this case, the fact that a piece of music commissioned by the production company employed to produce Key's promotional DVD is markedly similar to Coldplay's Clocks. National's move to fix the situation - withdraw the offending DVD - is classed as a U-turn.

Of course, if it had been Labour that had produced this DVD, they would have simply introduced a bill to legalise their copyright infringement and prevent other musicians from producing music in an election year that could conceivably be similar to something Labour themselves might come up with.

[Skyryder]

Ahem...

I think most people are aware of what has happened to date. Erin Leigh revealed that a number of Environment Ministry staff were very unhappy with David Parker “suggesting” Claire Curran be hired, as they saw it as politicising the Ministry.

Trevor Mallard then got up in Parliament and labeled Leigh sad and incompetent.

This has been refuted by numerous neutral civil servants who have in fact raved about how good she is. Mind you, even if someone is not that good at their job, how much money would the Employment Tribunal award for a boss who gets up in public and calls her incompetent in front of the nation’s media? Trevor is off to a good start as Minister of Labour.

Anyway the 9th floor had been pushing stories about how Trevor went off on his own, and how Clark was not happy. So we got to hear yesterday what she though of Trevor Mallard using parliamentary privilege to destroy the career of a young former public servant.

From Hansard:

John Key: Does she condone or approve of Trevor Mallard’s savage attack, using parliamentary privilege, on *Erin Leigh when she blew the whistle on political interference at the Ministry for* the Environment?

HELEN CLARK: My understanding is that the Minister spoke on advice. Having read the Hansard, I consider it rather mild by his standards.

The translation is:

“The bitch should be glad Trevor didn’t punch her little face in, like he did to Tau”

I mean, seriously, does anyone other than Helen really think what Mallard did is appropriate?

It just goes to show how fake she was over Mallard needing to get his anger under control, and how she was demoting him.

Also nice to know that our Prime Minister no longer holds Minister to a high set of standards. What is the standard she now holds them to - “by his standards”. So its official Ministers are now to be judged against the standards of Trevor Mallard. I can safely predict none will ever fail!!



Translation from what............... or is your quote on the record?? There is a difference.


I don't dispute the general tenure of what you have written about Mallard and what he did and said in Parliament I consider to be and 'abuse' of Parliamentary Privilege. There is much that goes in politics that in the 'ordinary' world tht to us is unacceptable but the ordinary world does not make the laws or have Parliamentary privilege. And yet the culture of the nation is set by the standards of those that make our laws and this is much the same in business. Standards are set by those in control and where there are 'no' or little standards there is 'no' or little control from subordinates in relation to ethics or behavior. In the issue that I have raised I have suggested some reasoning behind Mallards defence. This should not be interpreted that I have approved of his actions as some seem to imply. However there is a defence of provocation for assault and this can be taken into account by a judge. I believe that this is what Mallard intends to do (by way of a not guilty plea) and Henare wishes to avoid............going by the reports in today’s Press. It's politics and power and the Queensbury rules unfortunately no longer apply.............if indeed they ever did.

I also see ACT'S hand in this but to date it's under the table. I hear a little dickey bird going cheep 'cheap.'

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Balls. No they weren't. The solicitor general does no pre-approve election or parliamentary spending. He is the crown's chief legal adviser and advocate, rules on aspects of law and authorises prosecutions.

My mistake.:bash: I should have said Auditor General. The only party that was in the clear in this was the Progressives all the others were in on the rort. Old news..............old story...................I've moved on.

Skyyrder

[Oscar]

Translation from what............... or is your quote on the record?? There is a difference.


I don't dispute the general tenure of what you have written about Mallard and what he did and said in Parliament I consider to be and 'abuse' of Parliamentary Privilege. There is much that goes in politics that in the 'ordinary' world tht to us is unacceptable but the ordinary world does not make the laws or have Parliamentary privilege. And yet the culture of the nation is set by the standards of those that make our laws and this is much the same in business. Standards are set by those in control and where there are 'no' or little standards there is 'no' or little control from subordinates in relation to ethics or behavior. In the issue that I have raised I have suggested some reasoning behind Mallards defence. This should not be interpreted that I have approved of his actions as some seem to imply. However there is a defence of provocation for assault and this can be taken into account by a judge. I believe that this is what Mallard intends to do (by way of a not guilty plea) and Henare wishes to avoid............going by the reports in today’s Press. It's politics and power and the Queensbury rules unfortunately no longer apply.............if indeed they ever did.

I also see ACT'S hand in this but to date it's under the table. I hear a little dickey bird going cheep 'cheap.'

Skyryder

So let's get this straight - Mallard commits common assault but you say there are mitigating circumstances. Key blames an Outside Contractor for a fuck up (which they admit to), and you say he's not fit to govern.

Interesting moral gymnastics.

[Skyryder]

So let's get this straight - Mallard commits common assault but you say there are mitigating circumstances. Key blames an Outside Contractor for a fuck up (which they admit to), and you say he's not fit to govern.

Interesting moral gymnastics.




Mallard has admitted publicy and apologised for assaulting Henare. He did not try and lay the blame anywhere other than on himself. This was his public position. Seems to me that he has squared up front for that.

Key's public position was to lay the blame as leader of the National Party on others than himself. Read my original post concerning this and try and understand the differnce between his public posititon and his political position. The two are not the same. This is Real politick. If you can not understand this there not much point in continueing the exchange. :headbang:

Skyyrder

[The Stranger]

Mallard has admitted publicy and apologised for assaulting Henare. He did not try and lay the blame anywhere other than on himself. This was his public position. Seems to me that he has squared up front for that.

Key's public position was to lay the blame as leader of the National Party on others than himself. Read my original post concerning this and try and understand the differnce between his public posititon and his political position. The two are not the same. This is Real politick. If you can not understand this there not much point in continueing the exchange. :headbang:

Skyyrder

So IIIryder, there is some evidence that Key is lying?
Lying or not, he has acted properly when a mistake was made and withdrawn the offending material.

Sure Mallard was quick to apologise for his mistake (well one of them anyway) - until there was a repercussion, then he changes his stance to not guilty - doesn't look like acceptance to me.

I don't expect that a politician will not make a mistake, we are all human, we all make them. It's not that they make a mistake, it's what they do about it.

[JimO]

the thing is john Key is a man, looks like a man , talks like a man. Herr Clark is a female, looks like a man, talks like a man. she is shifty and obviously has a poor memory..........dont recall texting during the queens bla bla ...NZ has a history of voting govmnts out not in so hopefully she will be out and will take that cringemaking arsewipe cullen with her

[Usarka]

Mallard has admitted publicy and apologised for assaulting Henare. He did not try and lay the blame anywhere other than on himself. This was his public position. Seems to me that he has squared up front for that.

Key's public position was to lay the blame as leader of the National Party on others than himself. Read my original post concerning this and try and understand the differnce between his public posititon and his political position. The two are not the same. This is Real politick. If you can not understand this there not much point in continueing the exchange. :headbang:

Skyyrder

How much responsibility did helen take for the motorcade, painting, corngate, election spending, benson pope, philip "taito" field, yadayadayada so many things that most NZ'ers have forgotten most of them etc etc etc.

[Skyryder]

How much responsibility did helen take for the motorcade, painting, corngate, election spending, benson pope, philip "taito" field, yadayadayada so many things that most NZ'ers have forgotten most of them etc etc etc.





They are old issues so no point in raising them. I've probably commented on them in other threads both for and against etc.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

So IIIryder, there is some evidence that Key is lying?
Lying or not, he has acted properly when a mistake was made and withdrawn the offending material.

Sure Mallard was quick to apologise for his mistake (well one of them anyway) - until there was a repercussion, then he changes his stance to not guilty - doesn't look like acceptance to me.

I don't expect that a politician will not make a mistake, we are all human, we all make them. It's not that they make a mistake, it's what they do about it.

I have never suggested that Key is lying. I am of the that he is honest in this respect and I have no knowledge of his dishonesty in any others. Harry Trueman had a sign of his desk. THE BUCK STOPS HERE. That's the mark of leadership...........anywhere.................... but with Key. Nope not my fault.

Skyryder

[Oscar]

Mallard has admitted publicy and apologised for assaulting Henare. He did not try and lay the blame anywhere other than on himself. This was his public position. Seems to me that he has squared up front for that.

Key's public position was to lay the blame as leader of the National Party on others than himself. Read my original post concerning this and try and understand the differnce between his public posititon and his political position. The two are not the same. This is Real politick. If you can not understand this there not much point in continueing the exchange. :headbang:

Skyyrder


I do understand the exchange.
You slag of Key for a minor offence whilst ignoring the fact that your precious Labour Govt. is littered with the wreckage of much worse incidents.
Has Key pissed in any Hotel Hallways, been caught DIC or been caught lying to the House?

These are all real incidents by Cabinets Ministers in this Govt. In fact the ongoing theme in this Administration is the inability of Cabinet Members to accept any sort of Ministerial Responsibilty until it's forced on them.

So don't give me any crap about Key not being fit to govern. He's a better man than Benson-Pope, Samuels or any of the other pond scum that leaked out of the fourth Labour Government.

[Usarka]

I have never suggested that Key is lying. I am of the that he is honest in this respect and I have no knowledge of his dishonesty in any others. Harry Trueman had a sign of his desk. THE BUCK STOPS HERE. That's the mark of leadership...........anywhere.................... but with Key. Nope not my fault.

Skyryder

Helen is out because she is corrupt, arrogant, conceited (and ugly). Key's made a boo boo with a song.

What's the other option(s)????


Edit:


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http://img.tfd.com/wn/22/684A9-molehill.gif

[The Stranger]

I have never suggested that Key is lying. I am of the that he is honest in this respect and I have no knowledge of his dishonesty in any others. Harry Trueman had a sign of his desk. THE BUCK STOPS HERE. That's the mark of leadership...........anywhere.................... but with Key. Nope not my fault.

Skyryder

Why stop at Key?

So let me see if I have this right, you acknowledge that you have no evidence that Key is lying, yet you take issue with Key because he didn't claim responsibility for someone elses fuck up?

The buck should lie with whom is responsible. Do you go around claiming responsibility for other's misdeeds?

[Skyryder]

Why stop at Key?

The buck should lie with whom is responsible. Do you go around claiming responsibility for other's misdeeds?

Yes I do. It's called responable parenting among other things.

Move on guys I have. I've said my piece you've said yours. :stupid:

Skyryder

[The Stranger]

Yes I do. It's called responable parenting among other things.

Move on guys I have. I've said my piece you've said yours. :stupid:

Skyryder

Thank you IIIryder, I shall decide when I have had my say.
Unlike your kids, I am responsible for myself and my opinions.

[Skyryder]

Thank you IIIryder, I shall decide when I have had my say.
Unlike your kids, I am responsible for myself and my opinions.


Buy some fly spray and get rid of that bee in bonnet. :spudwave:

Skyryder

[The Stranger]

Buy some fly spray and get rid of that bee in bonnet. :spudwave:

Skyryder

I thought you had moved on - make your mind up - oh wait...

[Sanx]

There's just no point, is there. It's like talking to a religious zealot. Absolutely convinced that their viewpoint is correct, and no amount of evidence, reason, argument and discourse will shake it. And the more one confronts them in a futile attempt to at least see that there is another side, the more and more the responses get more and more incoherent...

[Jantar]

Mallard plea is based on political considerations. He has publicly acknowledged that he 'punched' Henare and Henare has accepted Mallards apolgy.
I do like this philosophy. Next time I get a speeding ticket I admit it and therefore miss out on the penalty. Great idea.... If labour can confirm that this is the new policy then I shall shift my vote from ACT to labour. :woohoo:

[Robert Taylor]

I do understand the exchange.
You slag of Key for a minor offence whilst ignoring the fact that your precious Labour Govt. is littered with the wreckage of much worse incidents.
Has Key pissed in any Hotel Hallways, been caught DIC or been caught lying to the House?

These are all real incidents by Cabinets Ministers in this Govt. In fact the ongoing theme in this Administration is the inability of Cabinet Members to accept any sort of Ministerial Responsibilty until it's forced on them.

So don't give me any crap about Key not being fit to govern. He's a better man than Benson-Pope, Samuels or any of the other pond scum that leaked out of the fourth Labour Government.

In Pinochets Chile ''Helen the great leader knows best for all of us'' would have been a worthy recipient of the ''open door policy'' at that time. Basically a little plane ride over the ocean or the Andes. The old boy got a few things right. If only....

[Oscar]

In Pinochets Chile ''Helen the great leader knows best for all of us'' would have been a worthy recipient of the ''open door policy'' at that time. Basically a little plane ride over the ocean or the Andes. The old boy got a few things right. If only....

Hiya Robert.

I dargged out some old pics the other day - remember "Mens Wearhouse Racing"?
Nice uniform.
I must get around to scanning them...

[Oscar]

Some excerpts from the Hearld today.


Deputy Prime Minister Michael Cullen called National leader John Key a "rich prick" and a "scumbag" in Parliament yesterday during a heated debate.
He first called him a "rich prick" then repeatedly called him a scumbag. "You scumbag, John," he said. "Scumbag, scumbag."




Senior Cabinet Minister Trevor Mallard is refusing to apologise to a whistleblower who he attacked as incompetent and sad, despite the Environment Ministry yesterday saying her work was "of good quality".



This is pathetic, even by NZ Parliamentary standards.
The second one is particularly disgusting, whereby you have a Senior Cabinet Minister using Parliamentary Privilege to attack a whistleblower. Whatever side of the political divide you are, it is hard to escape the conclusion that Mallard is a loathsome creature about 10 years past use by date.

[Sanx]

Deputy Prime Minister Michael Cullen called National leader John Key a "rich prick" and a "scumbag" in Parliament yesterday during a heated debate.
He first called him a "rich prick" then repeatedly called him a scumbag. "You scumbag, John," he said. "Scumbag, scumbag."

Don't forget Cullen calling him a "working class scab", which shows Cullen's true light. A barely-reformed union activist who despises anyone who's managed to make any money and shown some form of success. In Cullen's ideal country, everyone would be on subsistence incomes provided by the government, and spend their days sitting on their fat arses swigging cans of export whilst waiting for the next dole cheque to arrive.

[Oscar]

Don't forget Cullen calling him a "working class scab", which shows Cullen's true light. A barely-reformed union activist who despises anyone who's managed to make any money and shown some form of success. In Cullen's ideal country, everyone would be on subsistence incomes provided by the government, and spend their days sitting on their fat arses swigging cans of export whilst waiting for the next dole cheque to arrive.

Despite the fact that I was born there myself, I would also say that Cullen brings a wiff of English Trade Union politics with him. He carries on like he's Arthur Scargill's right hand man in the class struggle...

[Usarka]

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The second one is particularly disgusting, whereby you have a Senior Cabinet Minister using Parliamentary Privilege to attack a whistleblower.
And the prime ministers reaction was that she was lucky she got off so lightly by trevors standards.

If these are our "leaders" then fuck me i aint followin....

[Skyryder]

As usual the Keywi lovers have only reported what suites them. Cullins remarks were in response to Keys derogitory comments on Clark having no children. It's all sick on both sides with this............not just one.


Skyryder

[Oscar]

As usual the Keywi lovers have only reported what suites them. Cullins remarks were in response to Keys derogitory comments on Clark having no children. It's all sick on both sides with this............not just one.


Skyryder

What about Mallard's latest?
Explain that away...

[Usarka]

Keys comments were taken from a newspaper article which he thought quoted Darren Hughes. It turns out the that it wasn't a quote but written by a journalist.

Mistake or intentional? I'm sure labour supporters will see it as intentional and the National supporters will see it as a mistake. So who really knows.

What is not in question is the amount of abuse directed at Key by labour. So they're a bit hypocritical if the odd comment comes back. Mallard has already shown hes good at giving but not receiving, and now Cullen looks the same.

This sums it up:

Mr Key said last night he had had five years of verbal abuse from Dr Cullen - though not the words used yesterday.

"The last time it got really ugly was when he called me a working-class scab."

Mr Key said calling him a "rich prick" was Dr Cullen showing his true feelings. Dr Cullen fundamentally had an aversion to people who had been successful.

"And what does that speak of for a Government it claims wants people to be successful," he said.

[Skyryder]

What about Mallard's latest?
Explain that away...

What's that, or have I already covered it??


Skyryder

[Oscar]

What's that, or have I already covered it??


Skyryder

Not the punch.
The abuse of Parliamentary Privilege.


Senior Cabinet Minister Trevor Mallard is refusing to apologise to a whistleblower who he attacked as incompetent and sad, despite the Environment Ministry yesterday saying her work was "of good quality".

[Skyryder]

Not the punch.
The abuse of Parliamentary Privilege.

Yep I have covered that. My opinion is in here somewhere on that. But I agree with you on that and have already stated this elsewhere.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Keys comments were taken from a newspaper article which he thought quoted Darren Hughes. It turns out the that it wasn't a quote but written by a journalist.

Mistake or intentional? I'm sure labour supporters will see it as intentional and the National supporters will see it as a mistake. So who really knows.

What is not in question is the amount of abuse directed at Key by labour. So they're a bit hypocritical if the odd comment comes back. Mallard has already shown hes good at giving but not receiving, and now Cullen looks the same.

This sums it up:


Yes and look at the bullshit Labour has had to put up with from National. For example they have claimed that Labour is corrupt so often that people now believe it.

New Zealand is one of the least corrupt countries in the world. The country was ranked second out of 159 countries surveyed in Transparency International's 2005 Corruption Perceptions Index.


But it gets better in 2007 were are first equal.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781359.html

Skyryder

[MisterD]

New Zealand is one of the least corrupt countries in the world. The country was ranked second out of 159 countries surveyed in Transparency International's 2005 Corruption Perceptions Index.


But it gets better in 2007 were are first equal.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781359.html

Skyryder

There's a differnence between
1) A corrupt government, changing the law to validate illegal spending, filling the (supposedly neutral) public service with Labour cronies and ousting people with links to the opposition....etc etc.

and
2) A corrupt country where you have to bribe officials as a matter of course...certainly officer, is there a discount on that ticket for cash?

[Skyryder]

There's a differnence between
1) A corrupt government, changing the law to validate illegal spending, filling the (supposedly neutral) public service with Labour cronies and ousting people with links to the opposition....etc etc.

and
2) A corrupt country where you have to bribe officials as a matter of course...certainly officer, is there a discount on that ticket for cash?

They are still first. :jerry:

Skyryder

[Storm]

Course they are- they bribed the guys doing the survery! Duhhh:bleh:

Continue saluting your framed photo of the hammer and sickle- oops, the labour party photo

[Skyryder]

Course they are- they bribed the guys doing the survery! Duhhh:bleh:

A man with a political sense of humour.............rare............and bloody with it :killingme:killingme

Skyryder

[The Stranger]

Move on guys I have. I've said my piece you've said yours. :stupid:


Make your mind up woman.

[Skyryder]

Make your mind up woman.

So I changed my mind. It's 'our' perogative.

Skyryder

[Storm]

So I changed my mind. It's 'our' perogative.

Skyryder

Yeah, I've heard you Labour types do that a lot. Then you change the laws so it was always that way too, dont you?

:bleh: :bleh: :bleh:

[Finn]

Hmmm lets see what Helen and her bitches have fucked up...

Education
Health
Police
Military
Economy
International relations (Other than third world ones)
Transport
Justice
"keep filling in the blanks"

Makes John Key look like a God.

[Oscar]

Hmmm lets see what Helen and her bitches have fucked up...

Education
Health
Police
Military
Economy
International relations (Other than third world ones)
Transport
Justice
"keep filling in the blanks"

Makes John Key look like a God.

And that is the tragedy.
Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is a mediocre bunch, at best, but the incumbent Government makes them look fantastic.

[Finn]

And that is the tragedy.
Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is a mediocre bunch, at best, but the incumbent Government makes them look fantastic.

Agree, but at least they are of the human variety.

I couldn't believe Cullens comment to Key... "Rich prick". Cullen is the Finance Minister for fuck sake and thinks prosperity is a crime. No wonder the country is fucked.

[Grahameeboy]

Hmmm lets see what Helen and her bitches have fucked up...

Education

I thought we compared well with other OED Countries

Health

Well the health of the nation impacts of this service and I suspect we are no worse than other countries.

Police

The Police do a great job. Cannot blame Govt for the bad apples.

Military

Do we need one?

Economy

We are an Agricultural based country and stuck in a corner so not easy and we are very much affected by exchange rates.


International relations (Other than third world ones)

Everyone likes us.

Transport

True but then that is down to the car crazy population. They are building new roads and park and rides.

Justice
"keep filling in the blanks"

Look around the rest of the world.

Makes John Key look like a God......................

[Grahameeboy]

Agree, but at least they are of the human variety.

I couldn't believe Cullens comment to Key... "Rich prick". Cullen is the Finance Minister for fuck sake and thinks prosperity is a crime. No wonder the country is fucked.

Have you booked your ticket then

[Finn]

Have you booked your ticket then

Yes. A few things to tidy up first.

Your reply is what I'd expect from you. Perhaps if you weren't an under achiever, your views would be quite different.

[Oscar]

Agree, but at least they are of the human variety.

I couldn't believe Cullens comment to Key... "Rich prick". Cullen is the Finance Minister for fuck sake and thinks prosperity is a crime. No wonder the country is fucked.

I agree.
Cullen's arrogance is unbelievable at times.
He seems to think that he's in the middle of some class struggle...

[Grahameeboy]

Yes. A few things to tidy up first.

Your reply is what I'd expect from you. Perhaps if you weren't an under achiever, your views would be quite different.

Well no cause if I was an achiever like you I would enjoy my success.

I was once an achiever, had my own Personal Training business back in UK as well as a day job but you know, life has a funny way of throwing curve balls at you and life, rather than achievement, becomes more important.

Guess it depends on whether you gauge achievement by business acrument or personal life success............

I have a simple job but on a positive scale of 1 - 10 I am a 9 so what is your score...............oh the 9 is because I may try and achieve a 10.....

But guess you expected me to say this eh..

[Finn]

Well no cause if I was an achiever like you I would enjoy my success.

Success, happiness and total disgust with your country can all co-exist. Actually I am happy but will be even more happier once I leave NZ.

Labour supporters only come in two flavours. Losers and users.

[Grahameeboy]

Success, happiness and total disgust with your country can all co-exist. Actually I am happy but will be even more happier once I leave NZ.

Labour supporters only come in two flavours. Losers and users.

So 7 then..........

[Robert Taylor]

Course they are- they bribed the guys doing the survery! Duhhh:bleh:

Continue saluting your framed photo of the hammer and sickle- oops, the labour party photo

The filthy finger of the Labour party has stuck it up all of our lives

[crazefox]

Go key :headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:

[Jantar]

Hmmm lets see what Helen and her bitches have fucked up...

Education
Health
Police
Military
Economy
International relations (Other than third world ones)
Transport
Justice
"keep filling in the blanks"

Makes John Key look like a God.

Conservation
Carbon policy
Freedom of speech
Energy (Except Electricity, Max Bradford still gets the blame for that one)

[Usarka]

and the big one: personal responsibility

[Robert Taylor]

Conservation
Carbon policy
Freedom of speech
Energy (Except Electricity, Max Bradford still gets the blame for that one)

Bradford does get the blame for electricity, but conversely he was right on target where the military money should have been spent by ordering the F16s. That Frankensteins sister immediately cancelled them and has severely compromised the thin security we already had is nothing less than a treasonous act. For that alone she should be castrated.
Personally I think Max Bradford would have made a very good Priminister.

[Jantar]

Bradford does get the blame for electricity, but conversely he was right on target where the military money should have been spent by ordering the F16s....
Absolutely. But I now understand why Heil Clark cancelled that deal. Her Chinese masters would not have been happy with our military keeping up to international standards in defence, but are quite happy with us having equipment like the Lavotries that are predominantly useful for civilian control.