All The Gear All The Time?

[Mom]

Many of you will know me as an ATGATT kind of gal.

I have seen many threads here with people saying it is personal choice/you MUST wear it and what have you. Bear in mind I am not talking about moving your bike away from pumps at a servo, or riding it in the garage after a ride, or any of those other times you ride. What I am talking about is RIDING your bike out and about.

All The Gear All The Time (this includes kevlar jeans for summer, and other non leather safety covering etc) or not?

[Dave-]

fuckin' oath.

[Ragingrob]

Gotta get me some Kevlar jeans, all I've got in Lee jeans lol.

[miSTa]

When I take the Duc to work (very rarely) then its jeans, otherwise ATGATT

[Waylander]

When around town, whatever is comfortable But always atleast jeans and proper shoes. Been known to wear singlets on hot days.

Out of town jacket, jeans and decent shoes are the min.

[Donor]

In a perfect world, ATGATT

However, in the same world there would be no cigarettes causing cancer, no booze killing bikers due to pissed drivers, and no fat chicks on beaches during daylight hours.

Each to their own, we can only educate and advise... personally, I started out as an ATGATT biker, however I now feel comfortable enough with my riding ability to wear jeans to and from work, and on shorter rides.

*shrug*

We shouldn't persecute people for not complying with what we perceive as ideal, though I am led to believe this is starting to happen... sad really.

[Luckylegs]

Yup.......

[johnnyflash]

For me its a combo, if I pop up to the shop 200mtrs up the road (and in town 50km zone) it might be shirt & Jeans & solid shoes & Lid though that might be the half helmet if its a hot summers day, or even around the block to dry her out after a wash..
but otherwise 98% of the time its atgatt.

[trumpy]

Every year when I go to the USA for trade shows I see bikers (sprot bikes included) out riding in T shirts, shorts, jandals, no gloves and no helmets. Nuts. Just makes me shudder.
I crashed the weekend before last at about 70 ks (certainly no more) and had I been riding with say jeans and shirt and open faced helmet (and it was certainly hot enough to do so) I would now be missing a large part of my jaw, would have a smashed kneecap, large amounts of gravel rash and probably both hands munted as well as the injuries I did sustain.
I was wearing good boots, leather pants and full zip around leather jacket, reasonable gloves and a full face helmet and while there is damage to my gear, the extent of damage to me is a broken scapula (admittedly would have happened gear or not) and grazes to two knuckles where stitching in my gloves failed.
Easy answer....AOTGAOTT!!

[RC1]

full leathers always

[R6_kid]

When a mate shows up and offers you a quick spin round the block i find that a pair of slipons, stubbies, and a t-shirt are all good. And im not taking the piss.

Nothing like the wind in your hair, both on your head and on your legs, and lets not forget the blood and skin on the pavement if you stack it... but lets be honest, you'd be more worried about your mate kicking the shit out of you when you hand him back his messed up bike.

[Maha]

Nothing like the wind in your hair

I hear ya mate, i hear ya!......:woohoo:

[Mikkel]

I'm ATGATTATW (ATW=All The Way).

How others choose to ride is not my business - and I shall keep my thoughts to myself.

However, I might hassle my good friends about wearing unsuitable gear if we ride together. The reason for this is both that I'd hate to see them hurt and that I would hate to see them hurt!

[Mikkel]

When a mate shows up and offers you a quick spin round the block i find that a pair of slipons, stubbies, and a t-shirt are all good. And im not taking the piss.

Nothing like the wind in your hair, both on your head and on your legs, and lets not forget the blood and skin on the pavement if you stack it... but lets be honest, you'd be more worried about your mate kicking the shit out of you when you hand him back his messed up bike.

You forgot the "your brain oozing down your forehead" part I think. Oh, and consider getting mates that have their priorities straight.

[paturoa]

Always, no exceptions. Based on not making the same mistake twice.

I don't know who's quote it is, but it goes something like, "Intelligent people learn from other's mistakes"

[nodrog]

i have been known to pop down to the beach in only my budgie smugglers, nothing worse than trying to pull chicks while you are sweating your ring off inside half a dead cow carcass.

[RC1]

budgie smugglers, nothing worse than trying to pull chicks while you are sweating your ring off inside half a dead cow carcass.

except them chicks seeing you all shrivelled in you smugglers :doh: :laugh:

[Big Dog]

Can't answer any of the above in good conscience...
Weekdays I commute on a scooter, this does not make me exempt from the laws of physics.
I wear:
Helmet (Duh)
Gloves (old but serviceable)
Boots (either Johnny Rebs or steel caps)
A cordura jacket (admittedly it was retired from service on the big bike but it only has to keep my dry 8 mins at a time on the scooter)
The industrial dress pants I choose to wear to work should afford enough protection at those sorts of speeds given I have had knee down in them without damaging them.


On the bike another story:
Helmet
Jacket
Gloves
Pants
Boots (Race, Rebs or steel caps, depends on the riding involved and the activity at the other end. No point in fucking an ankle in case you fuck your ankle).

I see the difference is at 80kmph it is unlikely the scooter will trap me beneth it and drag me along. The busa on the other hand has a 140kg advantage over me and is far more likely to win a wrestle, therfore pinning me to the tar seal as we slide along the seal. Even at 10kmph that could seriously ruin your day.
If people want to go to the shops in sneakers and they tuck their laces in and they know the risk good for them, not my cup of tea but not my problem either...
As long as somenone knows the risks then let those who ride decide.

If ever we find ourselves governed in what we must wear then our liberties are lost.

That said:
I will not ride with a pillion not suitably dressed.
I will advise riders who show up to a ride I am organising if they are not being sensible.
I will ask a rider who shos up to a ride I am organising not to come with us if they are completely inappopriate.
I will not ride with a group where there are inappopriate levels of protective clothing.
I need a summer jacket if anyone is feeling generous (i.e. i know how much gear costs and will forgive open jackets).
I understand the desire to go topless but will not ride that way myself.
I do cringe at some of the things some people ride in.

[Auntie Podes]

I was gearing myself up for what I was going to write as I read through all the other posts and then I read what Big Dog wrote...........

I now don't need to write what I was going to.

Nice one Big Dog! :clap: Nail and head come to mind!!!

[paturoa]

The industrial dress pants I choose to wear to work should afford enough protection at those sorts of speeds given I have had knee down in them without damaging them.

Nope wrong assumption. Tooooo many years ago I had an off at about 50ks on my CT90 with cotton overalls over good jeans. I lost about a 5mm deep layer of skin and flesh from my upper shin and knee on the chunky tarseal.

[Luckylegs]

except them chicks seeing you all shrivelled in you smugglers :doh: :laugh:

Depends on the cow your trying to pull....

:oi-grr:

[boomer]

Many of you will know me as an ATGATT kind of gal.

I have seen many threads here with people saying it is personal choice/you MUST wear it and what have you. Bear in mind I am not talking about moving your bike away from pumps at a servo, or riding it in the garage after a ride, or any of those other times you ride. What I am talking about is RIDING your bike out and about.

All The Gear All The Time (this includes kevlar jeans for summer, and other non leather safety covering etc) or not?



JANDALS!!!!!







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[boomer]

Depends on the cow your trying to pull....

:oi-grr:

bwahahahah.. i'll tell ya mrs that in the morning :mobile:

[puddy]

Nothing like the wind in your hair
Fuck.... I'd just be happy to have the hair (again) for the wind to blow through!

[mstriumph]

it is reaaaaaaaaaally hot over here

whilst keeping covered [as i mostly do nowadays] you just GOTTA envy those cool dudes riding in shorts and a t shirt ......

yes - i KNOW you wouldn't envy them if they came off....

but still

it IS really HOT over here :shutup:

[Coyote]

I tore apart my old draggins, and I can't afford to get a new set so I've had to go without proper riding pants for the last 10 months. Blame the all consuming VFR.

Also, I haven't been able to afford to get a jacket for the girlfriend, so I give her it and go without if I take her anywhere. And I give her the good gloves and I wear my old tatty pair which have basically turned into fingerless ones.

For longer trips I wear my leathers though.

[Mom]

JANDALS!!!!!
It is actually national jandal day next Friday.........LOL

Jandals rock on the beach, and I hear tell some bikers pay homage to the mighty jandal too <_<

[Big Dog]

Nope wrong assumption. Tooooo many years ago I had an off at about 50ks on my CT90 with cotton overalls over good jeans. I lost about a 5mm deep layer of skin and flesh from my upper shin and knee on the chunky tarseal.

Risk vs cost I guess.

If I could afford some light weight gear that would protect me I would probably wear it. Provided it was not so inconvenient as to be impractical

This is wear making decisions comes in to life.

Risk of wearing my bike pants - More limited movement given the different seating position, plus some numbness in my extremities - ergo greater risk of injury / crash in first place.

Risk of not wearing my bike pants for my 8 mins each way commute. If I fall off there is a percentage of a chance I will hurt my self. This percentage is less than on the busa, if only because the busa goes 3.5 times faster about everything.

Also according to some study I read, way back in the dark ages denim is more abrasive in a bike crash than bare skin. I have not had the misfortune to come off in the nude but have come off in denim jeans twice.
First time I lost a lot of skin, but then it was due to burns from the denim not the road. (stationary hit by car)
Second time slid 100 meters on one arse cheek. Again lots of mild burns, no cuts. (long story)
I have also low sided a Honda nifty fifty into a car hard enough to bend the b pillar in pants such as these with out a cut bruise or other wise.

Denim generates a lot of heat when it rips.
It is abrasive if it does not rip.

But if people know this and still want to ride like that cool.
Darwin will look after them.

[Big Dog]

it is reaaaaaaaaaally hot over here

whilst keeping covered [as i mostly do nowadays] you just GOTTA envy those cool dudes riding in shorts and a t shirt ......

yes - i KNOW you wouldn't envy them if they came off....

but still

it IS really HOT over here :shutup:

You can get mesh suits, armour with skid sheets in all the right places.
Have not seen them here, but saw several riders with them in Brisbane.

[McJim]

I took a slide along the highway courtesy of a New Zealnad driver that didn't fully understand the implications of a red traffic light. I was wearing padded cordura trousers at the time. Leg got trapped under the bike as I slid. Burnt the cordura away and burnt my leg on the ground.

I wear full leathers all the time on the bike now - I might be good enough to keep the rubber down but getting T boned is just a pain in the knee.

[Mom]

I tore apart my old draggins, and I can't afford to get a new set so I've had to go without proper riding pants for the last 10 months. Blame the all consuming VFR.

Also, I haven't been able to afford to get a jacket for the girlfriend, so I give her it and go without if I take her anywhere. And I give her the good gloves and I wear my old tatty pair which have basically turned into fingerless ones.

For longer trips I wear my leathers though.

Grrr for "the girlfriend" comment......LOL
I know, I know, I am pain in bum.

Interesting you give her your jacket and good gloves too, good for you, bet you ride accordingly too!

This is what I am talking about, we all know we need to wear the gear, and there are many reasons why we dont.

If your girlfriend wants to ride pillion and you cant afford the gear, maybe she should consider her own safety and buy her own??????

[Luckylegs]

bwahahahah.. i'll tell ya mrs that in the morning :mobile:

You better let her wake up first... she's a right b**tch in the morning if you try talking to her before shes gotten up and had a coffeee....

Oh hold on... :gob: You really might see her in the morning huh ? I'll just shut up now :sweatdrop:

[flame]

If im out playing or doing silly stuff i always wear full kit, including armor/leathers /back pad etc, coz I come off at silly high speeds in full race leathers and absolutly shagged them. I'd hate to think what wouda happened if I wasn't wearing them, as it was I still managed to crack my arm and get skin burns and write off my leathers dam it!

If I just cruisin to work etc I usually just wear jeans, jacket and gloves, being carefull of course as low waisted hipsters on a sports bike can cause other problems if your jackets a bit short LOL.

[Mom]

I'd hate to think what wouda happened if I wasn't wearing them, as it was I still managed to crack my arm and get skin burns and write off my leathers dam it!


Leather burns hurt, from my observer status. As you say though, better the burn than ??????

Have to say, seeing exposed bits of the internal workings of various parts of the human body is not something I would line up for again. This the main reason I am ATGATT.


If I just cruisin to work etc I usually just wear jeans, being carefull of course as low waisted hipsters on a sports bike can cause other problems if your jackets a bit short LOL.

Have you got "big hips" or something? :dodge:

Hear what you are saying, have been guilty of wearing jeans on a bike too, but my jacket is long and covers my girly hip bones........LOL

[Indiana_Jones]

lid, glooves and jacket mininum, no matter the trip.

All of the kit most of the time, even going to work, but if I take a 5min ride to a shop etc, sometimes i just wear normal pants and shoes

-Indy

[davereid]

Bikes should just be banned. Too unstable, no air bags, no sealtbelts, no auto-stability control.

Really, even if you wear all the gear, you are still just a drain on the ACC system.

Stop moaning about the heat or the cold, get a Volvo and be warm and safe.

Then join a local committee to ban hang gliding, boxing, scuba diving, mountain biking, fatty food, and sex without a condom.

Or, mind your own business. Enjoy your own life, and let me exploit my own bad decisions.

[rainman]

Scoot Commute so I am exempt from this poll

Huh? Why?

Actually, I saw a scooter rider the other day with ATG. Made me do a double-take!

[flame]

lol.....no worries bout the hip bones, it's them dam hipster levi's that need to adjust the waistline a bit to hide the um......under garments eh :rolleyes: going commando seems the logical answer ;)[


...sorry....Ive had wines tonight....Deano's fault!!! :)

[homer]

Yes all the gear
But at least gloves jacket and the foot wear bit
i still will when fine and hot wear jeans ....and besides if its a good stack id be more worried about the bike not me
bikes no good stacked and it anit no good if i cant get on it

[Mikkel]

Bikes should just be banned. Too unstable, no air bags, no sealtbelts, no auto-stability control.

Really, even if you wear all the gear, you are still just a drain on the ACC system.

Stop moaning about the heat or the cold, get a Volvo and be warm and safe.

Then join a local committee to ban hang gliding, boxing, scuba diving, mountain biking, fatty food, and sex without a condom.

Or, mind your own business. Enjoy your own life, and let me exploit my own bad decisions.

Yeah - the only unfortunate thing is that a brain is not a compulsory ADD-ON! ;)


lol.....no worries bout the hip bones, it's them dam hipster levi's that need to adjust the waistline a bit to hide the um......under garments eh :rolleyes: going commando seems the logical answer ;)[


...sorry....Ive had wines tonight....Deano's fault!!! :)

Yeah - the good old Nortons have a fairly upright riding position!

I hope my mind shall feel less tainted in the morning...

[discotex]

Weekdays I commute on a scooter, this does not make me exempt from the laws of physics.


Nah scooters don't crash man. :msn-wink:

[Coyote]

Grrr for "the girlfriend" comment......LOL
I know, I know, I am pain in bum.

Interesting you give her your jacket and good gloves too, good for you, bet you ride accordingly too!

This is what I am talking about, we all know we need to wear the gear, and there are many reasons why we dont.

If your girlfriend wants to ride pillion and you cant afford the gear, maybe she should consider her own safety and buy her own??????
I could've said many worse things, like 'the object'. Or something PC like 'the person of opposite gender that shares mutual feelings with me". And if I said 'the lovely lass' I would've been called soft, and I can't have my macho rep take a hit like that :p

I value her safety far more than my own (don't think I'd still be here if not for her) so she can use my gear. And I'm quite keen to give her rides since it slows me down. Especially whilst running with no rego or warrant since the bike shop won't get a brake light switch in for another week.

I said for my christmas present I'd rather she spent the money on a jacket for her and I'd chip in.

[Hitcher]

If you do nothing else with protective equipment, make sure your skin is covered. Once it has been abraded, it's a bastard to replace. Broken bones are a comparative inconvenience.

[Lucy]

I wear ATGATT but am finding it makes me ride less than I would like. And after my trip to Raro and feeling the wind and freedom (and being more flexible and able to hear other traffic) (and going 40k of course) I am wondering if I might start doing small around town trips with normal clothes and a helmet.

I've never witnessed a non fatal crash, so I guess the reality of losing skin is still in the 'not my department' category.

[Mom]

after my trip to Raro and feeling the wind and freedom (and being more flexible and able to hear other traffic) (and going 40k of course) I am wondering if I might start doing small around town trips with normal clothes and a helmet.

Have been to Raro 5 times now and hear you loud and clear about the freedom thing. You mention the top speed limit as mitigating, for me there is another more important factor, over there car drivers are the minority! Bikers own the roads. All car drivers really look out for bikes!

[sunhuntin]

i wear at the very least jeans, decent shoes and helmet. in summer, i have been known to wear a singlet. thats in town, but i have also ridden part of my 100k stomping ground in a singlet as well. certainly wouldnt go any distance dressed like that at 100k, but that road i could ride with my eyes closed. normally i ride in a tshirt with the sleeves rolled up during summer.

open road, i wear jeans, steel cap boots that come halfway up my calves, tshirt, 2 jerseys, 2 jackets, open face lid and either full or fingerless gloves depending on whether its raining or not. i have also acquired a pair of water proof pants, so ride with those constantly.

i have come off in singlet, jeans, my steel cap boots and helmet. the part of my body that was best protected is what got cut up the most.

[Lucy]

Have been to Raro 5 times now and hear you loud and clear about the freedom thing. You mention the top speed limit as mitigating, for me there is another more important factor, over there car drivers are the minority! Bikers own the roads. All car drivers really look out for bikes!


Yeah good point -bikes really are a valid road user group, and that is bound to have contributed to the feeling that I felt safer with no safety gear than I do here with all of it.

I mean - wasn't it weird to see cars notice you and give way, not just at intersections, but also when they were leaving their driveways and shop car parks etc???? So different from here.

[cowboyz]

full leathers always
have to be careful with the ALWAYS bit cause I am a bit of a hypocite really. Yes I advocate ATGATT but live about 200m from the servo and often whip over for bread or milk with whatever I happen to be wearing at the time. This may or maynot include shoes/light pants mostly no jacket. I dont delibrately ride with no gear but have found a couple of times getting down to the servo to find myself not wearing a helmet. I guess that comes from years of farming where I just jump on the bike and run down the farm/sheds. Communting I dont like bare skin so work boots/long pants and armoured jacket is the norm. Weekend riding I wouldn't consider leaving the garage without full leathers on. It is all about risk accessment. Yes there have been accidents close to home but I dont ride the same style commuting or tootling to the shops as I do on weekend riding.

[Mikkel]

i wear at the very least jeans, decent shoes and helmet. in summer, i have been known to wear a singlet. thats in town, but i have also ridden part of my 100k stomping ground in a singlet as well. certainly wouldnt go any distance dressed like that at 100k, but that road i could ride with my eyes closed. normally i ride in a tshirt with the sleeves rolled up during summer.

open road, i wear jeans, steel cap boots that come halfway up my calves, tshirt, 2 jerseys, 2 jackets, open face lid and either full or fingerless gloves depending on whether its raining or not. i have also acquired a pair of water proof pants, so ride with those constantly.

i have come off in singlet, jeans, my steel cap boots and helmet. the part of my body that was best protected is what got cut up the most.

So you're saying that it was you head and feet that got damaged the most? Gotcha! ;)

[Forest]

I'm over in Melbourne at the moment. It is interesting to see what passes for riding gear when the temperature hits 38^C.

Saw a guy riding a RG500 on the Hume highway yesterday. He was wearing a singlet, shorts, no gloves, and sports shoes.

[deanohit]

Yep, ATGATT on the road, no exceptions. Off road, I go really slow, so just my helmet, jeans, boots, and depending on temp, jacket and gloves.

[Waylander]

If your girlfriend wants to ride pillion and you cant afford the gear, maybe she should consider her own safety and buy her own??????
Last girl I suggested that too told me I was a cheap shit and then left.

[Waylander]

So you're saying that it was you head and feet that got damaged the most? Gotcha! ;)
Cheap ass boots, cheap ass helmet.

I've crashed 4 times and not ones has my head ever hit the ground. Not that I'm betting it will never happen, but why live in fear all the time.

Used to only wear my helmet when going across town (2.5 hours riding back in the states) or full on rides. Going to the servo or the mall I didn't worry about it.

If I crash it's my problem.

[EnzoYug]

to quote the paramedic who peeled me off the road, less than half a klick from my house: "good work with the gear mate. that turtleback of yours saved your spine."

I'll commute in lid, full jacket, boots and jeans, but won't leave second gear without my rash-proof pants. I was smart the first time and dead lucky the second... I'm not taking any chances for a third visit to the akl-central trauma ward.

To the guys I see in t-shirts and jeans: It won't be your fault when some munter crosses your path, but physics don't care - so good luck.

[007XX]

ATGATT Girl, and proudly so...:woohoo:

[jrandom]

I rode nude once.

I was drunk.

It was awesome.

[BarBender]

I rode nude once.

I was drunk.

It was awesome.

You are a bad man.

[saltydog]

If you've a $10 head go ahead and buy/use a $10 helmet.
That goes for gear as well.
All you need is a wee off, even at low speeds to bring you around.
It can be a drag getting all kitted up in the leathers on a nice summer day.......but hey, the gear will save u.
When I was living in Bali I always wore good boots and had an aftermarket 'western' helmet. It was a pain sometimes, espicially since every house you entered i had to take them off (as opposed to slipping off the jandals) but once again piece of mind. The Balo's would jandal it alll the way, dodgy plastic helmets, and tee-shirts. I just had to ride faster to say cool.
Great place to learn to defensive drive by the way, try the road from Kuta up the coast to Padang-bai (ferries to lombok) on a good day. I guarantee every KB'er in here would freak. The further east u go, less human ostacles and more animals to watch out for. Go to the depths of the islands, Sumba say, and the whole village will come out just to wave as to trundle by on the narrow dusty path.....
Ah.......memories.

[jim.cox]

While I wouldn't wear jandals myself

I have no problem with shorts

Even allowing for the occaisional insect flying up your leg :(

and stinging :( :(

[owner]

memories, ouch! atgatt

[Tank]

I rode nude once.

I was drunk.

It was awesome.

I tried that but my cock got caught in the chain.

[Luckylegs]

I tried that but my cock got caught in the chain.

trying to make the bike a "SHAFT" drive huh ??? :rofl:

[Tank]

trying to make the bike a "SHAFT" drive huh ??? :rofl:

oh - that was bad. really bad. Woke up next to your mother in law after a night on the beers bad.

[judecatmad]

Used to ride in jeans (from the North Shore to Newmarket), saw no harm in it, was new, didn't understand.

Wrote the bike off in March in a relatively low speed off, just minutes from home. Was wearing my bike pants - thank god cos otherwise I'd have had more than bruising.

When I'm able to get me a new bike and am able to go out riding, it will be ATGATT. But I'll definitely need to get me some draggins tho, cos bike pants in the summer are NOT nice!!!!!

[Toaster]

Shit, wear what you like and run the risk - it's a personal decision. I really don't give a shit.

If I choose to risk using my arse like cheese on a cheesegrater then that is my business.

Did I say I didn't give a shit?

Jeans and cordura is fine with me. Leather is for the bedroom.... but I don't give a shit.

[jrandom]

Shit, wear what you like... I really don't give a shit...
Did I say I didn't give a shit? ... I don't give a shit.

I nominate Toaster for official HTFU Day (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=62534) representative.

[MadDuck]

...and I hear tell some bikers pay homage to the mighty jandal too <_<

Ahh the mighty Jandal ! Not that I would wear them on my boike cos I can hardly reach the ground with boots on :scooter:

[Toaster]

I nominate Toaster for official HTFU Day (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=62534) representative.

Hehe very nice. I just read that thread too.... and I still don't give a shit.

[Tank]

I nominate Toaster for official HTFU Day (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=62534) representative.

+ 1

Can we get one of those awards made up for it that go across the screen like the "Scrumpet" one?

[Arthur]

Most of the time, cos I'm generally only commuting to work (about 5 minutes up the road), I won't worry about gloves or riding pants. Anything furthur than 20 km, ATGATT.

[Mikkel]

Speed kills,

I rode nude once.
neither big nor clever...

I was drunk.
and boozers are loosers.

It was awesome.
I don't doubt it. :yes:

Oh, I remember my teens as well!

Oh and if you come off while drunk you're less likely to get badly hurt because you'll be more relaxed! :rolleyes:

[sweetp]

I came off not far from home, and not doing much speed either (hit an oil slick at 30km on a dizzly day). Even though I wasn't going fast from the marks on my helmet I am really glad that I do follow ATGATT because I slid 10m down the road and it wouldn't have been pretty if it wasn't for the codura. On saying that I do the draggins and leather in summer but you will never catch me in anything less. The risks are the same on a short ride as they are on a long one - isn't the statistic 90% of accidents happen 5km from home?

[Edbear]

- isn't the statistic 90% of accidents happen 5km from home?


I heard it was within 20km and I thought I'd be okay 'cause my office is 26km from home...:doh:

Now you've got me all worried...!!!!:confused: