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oldrider
27th December 2007, 21:07
I have to say that on reading this article, I am very impressed!

Why?

Because this time someone (BMW) is listening to what their "customers" want!

If did not have my new Tiger, I would be seriously approaching BMW now.

I will not be buying one but I do salute BMW on this innovative, customer driven design. :niceone: Cheers John.

(http://www.rubbermag.com/news/0711/071106_06.html)

I hope this is not a re-post as I can not find one anywhere else! :sweatdrop

NordieBoy
27th December 2007, 21:11
Very nice bikes but...
Why oh why did they call it the F650GS?

More on the dirt side of adventure than the Tiger. Which is not a bad thing.

Disco Dan
27th December 2007, 21:17
I have never been fond of "dirt bikes" but this one.... woah... I would buy one as a "second" bike to my road beast. Looks fantastic... although that rear mudguard would have to go... :innocent:

miSTa
28th December 2007, 06:50
Yep very nice. If they had been around before I bought my 1150GS then I would've got one. Having ridden the F800S a few times I was most impressed with the engine. It should be a cracker.

huck farley
28th December 2007, 07:36
10/10 for BMW for building the ugliest bike on the market. with a price tag as high as the ducks bill. I personally cannot see bikers queuing up to buy this pile of Gerry made whatever.
Not when you can buy the latest Triumph Tiger 1050 for a similar price tag. With drop dead gorgeous looks. Put the two side by side. I know which bike would sell faster. Also perform better. The Tiger1050 would win in a canter. On or "of" road!!

zadok
28th December 2007, 08:40
10/10 for BMW for building the ugliest bike on the market. with a price tag as high as the ducks bill. I personally cannot see bikers queuing up to buy this pile of Gerry made whatever.
Not when you can buy the latest Triumph Tiger 1050 for a similar price tag. With drop dead gorgeous looks. Put the two side by side. I know which bike would sell faster. Also perform better. The Tiger1050 would win in a canter. On or "of" road!!

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." As nice as the new Tiger is, IMO it isn't a genuine off road contender like the BMW. I like the lower fuel storage. An under-seat exiting exhaust would be an improvement, to better fit panniers, without losing any volume like the 955i.

xwhatsit
28th December 2007, 10:48
Triumph Tiger 1050 for a similar price tag. With drop dead gorgeous looks.

IMHO Tiger 1050 is hideous :bash:, at least compared to the original 900 model. Or Tiger Cub :love:

This F650/800GS looks kewl. And I think you'll find `Gerry-built' is a positive feature to most people (especially given Triumph's recent build-quality nightmares) rather than a negative. Sure, crazed bigots won't buy it, but I dare say they won't have any trouble selling them.

ducatijim
28th December 2007, 11:01
10/10 for BMW for building the ugliest bike on the market. with a price tag as high as the ducks bill. I personally cannot see bikers queuing up to buy this pile of Gerry made whatever.
Not when you can buy the latest Triumph Tiger 1050 for a similar price tag. With drop dead gorgeous looks. Put the two side by side. I know which bike would sell faster. Also perform better. The Tiger1050 would win in a canter. On or "of" road!!

What a crock of shit, Huck.

You would be down on the first cow shit or berm of gravel on that thing!!!!!!!!!!

Beauty IS in the eye of the beholder, and the 'kraut' engineering is well respected and sought after the world over; despite any misgivings you may have regarding the last war.( that is WW2,ok)

I am thrilled to say that mine is on order as we speak...thrilled I said.Period.

But, I am an adventurer after all.

marks
28th December 2007, 14:22
I am thrilled to say that mine is on order as we speak...thrilled I said.Period.

which bike will it replace? maybe both BM and DR??

banditrider
28th December 2007, 16:13
Really like this. After riding my old man's 1150GS and watching the Long Way Down I think a slightly smaller bike would be a better bet for when I want to have a crack at this sort of thing. I was initially thinking that a 650 would be the go but I like the idea of a twin - esp the parallel (sp) twin. Should go really nice and be a bit lower/lighter than the 1200.

C'mon lotto - want to buy a big shed and fill with bikes...

marks
28th December 2007, 17:15
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timg
28th December 2007, 17:40
You're right there John. The F 800 GS keeps with the accepted 'adventure bike' when many are making their adventure bikes more road orientated eg V Strom, Tiger, Transalp etc. I'd not buy the new Transalp but would certainly have a good look at the F 800 GS if I was in the market. Cheers. :ride:

Ruralman
28th December 2007, 20:24
I like the look of it as well and agree with the comments regarding it being much more of an adventure bike than the Tiger - even the 955 like mine, let alone the emasculated new one that should have been called something other than a Tiger because its just a sealed road machine now.

So how much do you reckon they'll list it at - over $20K?????

Oscar
28th December 2007, 20:31
The 800GS.
An underpowered alternative to a KTM for more money.
Genius.



Keeps the poseurs happy I suppose...

warewolf
28th December 2007, 20:38
let alone the emasculated new one that should have been called something other than a Tiger because its just a sealed road machine now.Don't forget that Hinckley have swapped the Tiger/Trophy names; the Tiger was the road machine and the Trophy was the scrambler pre-Bloor, were they not?

Having just spent 6 days away on the Trophy - two-up with camping gear - despite the upgraded suspension I'm still stunned by just how bumpy and crappy the roads are in the top of the South. The KTM simply smooths them out so you don't notice. I would much rather have a new 1050 Tiger or similar as the most road-oriented bike for touring NZ. That is, rather than a full-on road bike; but really I'd struggle to buy anything that didn't have at least gravel road pretensions.

warewolf
28th December 2007, 20:39
An underpowered alternative to a KTM for more money.
Genius.So what's new?! :dodge:

Big Dave
28th December 2007, 20:48
An Adventure sportsbike you mean Colin?

Who woulda thunk a one of them. ;)

Ruralman
28th December 2007, 20:55
Don't forget that Hinckley have swapped the Tiger/Trophy names; the Tiger was the road machine and the Trophy was the scrambler pre-Bloor, were they not?

. I would much rather have a new 1050 Tiger or similar as the most road-oriented bike for touring NZ. That is, rather than a full-on road bike; but really I'd struggle to buy anything that didn't have at least gravel road pretensions.

Geez I'm glad I'm not as old as you are to remember all that stuff from way back then!!
I take your point via the new Tiger and our sealed roads - the same reason we like our adventure bikes on big road trips

warewolf
28th December 2007, 21:08
An Adventure sportsbike you mean Colin?

Who woulda thunk a one of them. ;)Uh, Yamaha, way back in 1991 with the TDM 850? They billed it as the "New Sports". That thing was a blast. Should've traded it against the Tiger (in the rare Sandstorm colour) rather than the Trophy.

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Big Dave
28th December 2007, 21:15
The correct answer was 'you did, David.'

warewolf
28th December 2007, 21:20
We'll have to call you 'Queensland'...



























'cos you're 15 years behind! :lol:

oldrider
28th December 2007, 21:38
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There is nothing spectacular about the test "area" shown in the video clip but what it does show is how well the BMW goes about it's job.

Compared to what?

Well just compared to it's self really.

I would quite happily take my Tiger anywhere on that test area, so don't see that as a issue.

What it does show (to those who know the difference) is just how well that BMW have put the bike together to suit their customers needs.

As an all round venture bike, I think, on what I have seen so far, you have to give credit where credit is due, the Krauts have done a good job on this one.

Give the customers what "they" want not what you (Honda etc) want to sell them.

I am not an enthusiast for BMW normally but shit, they have done what I have always wanted "Honda" to do and I respect them for that.

To me it looks like a very good venture bike but I will not be buying one.

I like my Tiger too much and so does Mrs O/rider. Nough said! :argue:

Can't afford to quarrell with her indoors! She really bought the Tiger anyway! :eek5: Cheers John.

huck farley
28th December 2007, 22:51
Line the two up and take both for a test ride on and off road, you will be in for a big surprise. I went down the south Island in Feb last and I did 800 ks on gravel. No different to the 955 only better front forks, and up on power maybe. I guess the Bemmer will sell to it's usual bunch of brainwashed nerds.

I read on the triumph grapevine they are bringing a true of road bike to be powered with a detuned Daytona 675 motor. Hang on to your cash. This motor is the finest triumph have produced in a decade.

Another bit of good news is that in Australasia Triumph knocked Harley and BMW for selling more none Japanese bikes. So that little factory located at Hinckley in Leicestershire. Has picked up the top awards in most classes now for three years running. Not bad for a small time bike builder.

And who was it that said the new tiger looks horrible. And you think the beemer 800 looks better. Jesus Christ dude in comparrison. That would be like saying Rachael Hunter is unatractive, and Helen Clark was far better looker. :sick:

ducatijim
29th December 2007, 07:57
which bike will it replace? maybe both BM and DR??

Neither at this stage. I am planning to leave the DR in Oz post my circumnavigation trip next June/July, for future trips for me and friends to use!!
However, the K-R does not seem to get much work now I'm into Adv, and the new 800 with its 85hp would suit me down to the ground as an only bike to do everything I currently do, so its future will be reacessed after the 800 is working for me.

ducatijim
29th December 2007, 07:59
The 800GS.
An underpowered alternative to a KTM for more money.
Genius.



Keeps the poseurs happy I suppose...

I must have missed the KTM 800 in their brochure.............................

ducatijim
29th December 2007, 08:13
[QUOTE=huck farley;1357885] I guess the Bemmer will sell to it's usual bunch of brainwashed nerds. QUOTE]

There are some 'issues' here I thinks............................................ ....

You REALLY should know me before you pidgeonhole me, Huck, really you oughta.

I am forming some real interesting opinions of you and your forefathers, however, I may be wrong, and it would be unreasonable to judge you without the benefit of knowing you first, Huck.

And, beauty is still in the eye etc. I personally think the 1050 is a stunning looker, well engineered no question, without the benefit of a test ride I am still prepared to go out on a limb and say that I think it is probably the bestest and most well suited to our conditions of bikes. Very 'real world' motorcycle. I would be very happy to own 1 I can tell you, however, my type of riding is not quite where the Tiger is.

There!

Kittyhawk
29th December 2007, 08:23
There's a dvd out which is about 3 guys traveling across Europe and have dual purpose BMW's and they couldnt stand up to the conditions they had alot of mechanical problems along the way and one of them ended up buying some old dunga of a bike to travel on.

I wonder if this one will be able to stand up to its purpose.

Oscar
29th December 2007, 08:39
I must have missed the KTM 800 in their brochure.............................

No 800.
Just a 690 - that's all that's needed.

oldrider
29th December 2007, 09:31
Line the two up and take both for a test ride on and off road, you will be in for a big surprise. I went down the south Island in Feb last and I did 800 ks on gravel. No different to the 955 only better front forks, and up on power maybe. I guess the Bemmer will sell to it's usual bunch of brainwashed nerds.

I read on the triumph grapevine they are bringing a true of road bike to be powered with a detuned Daytona 675 motor. Hang on to your cash. This motor is the finest triumph have produced in a decade.

Another bit of good news is that in Australasia Triumph knocked Harley and BMW for selling more none Japanese bikes. So that little factory located at Hinckley in Leicestershire. Has picked up the top awards in most classes now for three years running. Not bad for a small time bike builder.

And who was it that said the new tiger looks horrible. And you think the beemer 800 looks better. Jesus Christ dude in comparrison. That would be like saying Rachael Hunter is unatractive, and Helen Clark was far better looker. :sick:

Doesn't look like you will be having the BMW 800 GS on your shopping list then Huck!

You may have missed the point of the thread, it was just to look at the new model BMW have produced for "their" customers, a nice change in the bike producing world.

Triumph didn't continue to progress the Tiger as an "off road" bike with the new 1050, they (deliberately) turned it into a road bike, an upright sports bike and by all accounts they got it right for that market!

The thread wasn't intended to compare the new 800 with the new Tiger 1050.

You are quite correct, they are definitely two very different bikes! :yes: Cheers John.

ducatijim
29th December 2007, 10:01
No 800.
Just a 690 - that's all that's needed.

Missed the point, don't want a motard or another single; got a perfectly good DR650...why would I want a fuckn KTM single? More HP? can't use it. More maintainance? don't want it. Orange? Fuck, why?

You stick with ur katies Oscar.

ducatijim
29th December 2007, 10:11
There's a dvd out which is about 3 guys traveling across Europe and have dual purpose BMW's and they couldnt stand up to the conditions they had alot of mechanical problems along the way and one of them ended up buying some old dunga of a bike to travel on.

I wonder if this one will be able to stand up to its purpose.

I have read similar threads on other forums, but insert KTM in place of BMW.

All brands have their 'horror' stories, and their 'hero' stories too....which 1 anyone accepts is purely dependant on whereabouts on the fence they are currently perched!!!!

I don't think there are really any 'bad' bikes around, as a whole.....consumer pressure is too strong for that......just sometimes, someone produces what we used to call a 'lemon' or a 'xmas special'----- if we opened up a poll on it, every brand would get a mention no doubt!!!:whocares:

pevs
29th December 2007, 12:42
Seen this?
New yamaha Tenere Specs (http://londonbikers.com/articles/73b1ad37-5c83-4191-8a55-79fb9b16bb27)
Looks kinda good I thought... not that I have any spare loot at the mo!

Ooh and for all you vid-aholics..
here's the official release vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhyJKnBV7wc)

Oscar
29th December 2007, 13:34
I have read similar threads on other forums, but insert KTM in place of BMW.

All brands have their 'horror' stories, and their 'hero' stories too....which 1 anyone accepts is purely dependant on whereabouts on the fence they are currently perched!!!!

I don't think there are really any 'bad' bikes around, as a whole.....consumer pressure is too strong for that......just sometimes, someone produces what we used to call a 'lemon' or a 'xmas special'----- if we opened up a poll on it, every brand would get a mention no doubt!!!:whocares:

I didn't just read about it.
I owned one of the overpriced, under-engineered GS latte-cruisers.
Looks 10/10.
Performance 4/10.

young1
29th December 2007, 15:40
What a crock of shit, Huck.

You would be down on the first cow shit or berm of gravel on that thing!!!!!!!!!!

Beauty IS in the eye of the beholder, and the 'kraut' engineering is well respected and sought after the world over; despite any misgivings you may have regarding the last war.( that is WW2,ok)

I am thrilled to say that mine is on order as we speak...thrilled I said.Period.

But, I am an adventurer after all.

Very exciting, when does it arrive, I hope you are getting the yellow one?

What price are they going for in New Zealand?

Does anyone know for sure if the new Yamaha is coming to New Zealand?

Mike

ducatijim
29th December 2007, 17:53
I didn't just read about it.
I owned one of the overpriced, under-engineered GS latte-cruisers.
Looks 10/10.
Performance 4/10.


If I thought I might like/respect you , I might give a shit.

For the black hole of 'we don't give a shit', my 1st and only Bm gets 10/10 for looks( in MY book), now also 10/10 for performance and reliability, the dealership also collect 10/10 for their efforts. Beats the best Suzuki could do hands down and FAR exceeds anything the putrid Milwarkee outlet in the waikato could even dream up!!!

.....but, I mean....a GS 1200? .....really!!!!!!, you could see "latte cruiser' all over it,before you bought it, or did you not take your shades off?( or, heaven forbid, was it a 650?).:doh:

ducatijim
29th December 2007, 18:03
Very exciting, when does it arrive, I hope you are getting the yellow one?

What price are they going for in New Zealand?

Does anyone know for sure if the new Yamaha is coming to New Zealand?

Mike

Maaate.....I sure wish I knew how to do multiple 'quote' replys instead of going thru this for each 1 !!!!

When does it arrive? I expect between July and October, and YES...absolutly YELLOW( can't everyone tell its my fav color, hun?) and non-abs. $???........... well who the fuck cares, when you are a filthy rich dairy cockie you just say...GET 1...OK ?

I just don't know how to spend my xmas 'windfall' from Fonterrable...............:devil2:

oldrider
29th December 2007, 18:26
Maaate.....I sure wish I knew how to do multiple 'quote' replys instead of going thru this for each 1 !!!!

When does it arrive? I expect between July and October, and YES...absolutly YELLOW( can't everyone tell its my fav color, hun?) and non-abs. $???........... well who the fuck cares, when you are a filthy rich dairy cockie you just say...GET 1...OK ?

I just don't know how to spend my xmas 'windfall' from Fonterrable...............:devil2:

We await your unbiased appraisal of the new bike, did I say "unbiased"? yes I did! :niceone: Cheers John.

PS: Now that you cow cockies are making big money, you can clean your cowshit off our roads!

Lucy
29th December 2007, 20:22
If I thought I might like/respect you , I might give a shit.

For the black hole of 'we don't give a shit', my 1st and only Bm gets 10/10 for looks( in MY book), now also 10/10 for performance and reliability, the dealership also collect 10/10 for their efforts. Beats the best Suzuki could do hands down and FAR exceeds anything the putrid Milwarkee outlet in the waikato could even dream up!!!

.....but, I mean....a GS 1200? .....really!!!!!!, you could see "latte cruiser' all over it,before you bought it, or did you not take your shades off?( or, heaven forbid, was it a 650?).:doh:


Where is this mythical wonderful BMW dealership please? Reporoa is not all that far from me.

ducatijim
29th December 2007, 20:24
We await your unbiased appraisal of the new bike, did I say "unbiased"? yes I did! :niceone: Cheers John.

PS: Now that you cow cockies are making big money, you can clean your cowshit off our roads!

Sorry John, I drop normal shit like everyone else.....you will need to speak with the cows regarding their deposits!!!!

Unbiased? who...me?.....noooo problem...........................:yes:

ducatijim
29th December 2007, 20:27
Where is this mythical wonderful BMW dealership please? Reporoa is not all that far from me.

Well they are a looong wayz from Raetahi Luc, and I doubt they can do much for your GN anywayz!

Lucy
29th December 2007, 20:31
Well they are a looong wayz from Raetahi Luc, and I doubt they can do much for your GN anywayz!

Yes well most bike shops are a long way from Raetihi, and then they are full of farm bikes anyway, and one day my GN is going to be joined in the shed by something else....

Lucy
29th December 2007, 20:34
Well they are a looong wayz from Raetahi Luc, and I doubt they can do much for your GN anywayz!

Yes well most bike shops are a long way from Raetihi, and then they are full of farm bikes anyway, and one day my GN is going to be joined in the shed by something else....
:woohoo:

Bass
29th December 2007, 20:55
my 1st and only Bm gets 10/10 for looks( in MY book), now also 10/10 for performance and reliability, the dealership also collect 10/10 for their efforts.


Ahem!
I have vague recollections of a Road Sofa......... went alongside the Side Table as I recall....... That would make the R your 2nd Beemer methinks.
But then if you were ashamed of the first one, well I could understand that. It certainly came nowhere near the one you have now in any performance respect.
Having said that, the build quality of both was superb - significantly ahead of my ST and I see no reason why a new GS would not follow in the same footsteps.

Oscar
29th December 2007, 22:02
If I thought I might like/respect you , I might give a shit.

For the black hole of 'we don't give a shit', my 1st and only Bm gets 10/10 for looks( in MY book), now also 10/10 for performance and reliability, the dealership also collect 10/10 for their efforts. Beats the best Suzuki could do hands down and FAR exceeds anything the putrid Milwarkee outlet in the waikato could even dream up!!!

.....but, I mean....a GS 1200? .....really!!!!!!, you could see "latte cruiser' all over it,before you bought it, or did you not take your shades off?( or, heaven forbid, was it a 650?).:doh:

My, my what a temper.
Most people wait 'till they meet me before calling me a cahnt...

I have ridden or tested all the current 1200's (GS, GSA & HP2) and previous GS 1150/1100 & 650 incarnations. Like most BM's - if the dealers gave a shit and if they were 2/3's of the price, I could own one (except the 650, I wouldn't even wish that on you).

Actually the V-Strom's are pretty reasonable adventure tourers (the little one recently cleaned up a Transalp in an Aussie Mag "across Australia" test) for the money so I suggest you actually ride one before judging.

As for "Milwarkee outlet" - you've lost me there. Have you a yearning for a Road King too?

Big Dave
29th December 2007, 22:05
My, my what a temper.
Most people wait 'till they meet me before calling me a cahnt...



I have never heard anybody refer to you as 'a can't.'
Everybody refers to you as 'that' can't.

FWIW - That HP2 Megamoto is one of the finest motorbicycles what I has ridden. Stunning machine.

Oscar
29th December 2007, 22:09
I have never heard anybody refer to you as 'a can't.'
Everybody refers to you as 'that' can't.


Hiya Dave.
Is that 950SE still lurking?
I have need of it for a visiting famous person..


Ps. Prolly going for a ride on New Years day and the day after.

Oscar
29th December 2007, 22:11
I have never heard anybody refer to you as 'a can't.'
Everybody refers to you as 'that' can't.

FWIW - That HP2 Megamoto is one of the finest motorbicycles what I has ridden. Stunning machine.

I haven't had the pleasure yet.
I liked the original HP2 a lot, I just think that the KTM is a better package.

ducatijim
30th December 2007, 07:41
Ahem!
I have vague recollections of a Road Sofa......... went alongside the Side Table as I recall....... That would make the R your 2nd Beemer methinks.
But then if you were ashamed of the first one, well I could understand that. It certainly came nowhere near the one you have now in any performance respect.
Having said that, the build quality of both was superb - significantly ahead of my ST and I see no reason why a new GS would not follow in the same footsteps.

Ooops....shit, now I'm exposed ( not a pretty sight either) for what I really am: a lier!!

How could I forget the Road Sofa (RS) so easily? Maybe it was a part of my life I would like to deny ever happened? But....back on subject.....while the RS was not ME, it was a very high scorer in all respects wasn't it? Only, it did not suit MY riding style( Style??? who said I had any??) but would have been a fine bike for the right rider in the right conditions.

But I do stand corrected, my 2nd BMr:Oops:

Zukin
30th December 2007, 10:07
Wow havent we opened a huge can of worms here :blink:

Oscar
Just cause you own a KTM, doesn't mean everyone else has too :mad:

You come in here and slag other brands and breeds, I have a 650, and you constantly slag them.
I don't care.
How about once in your life you actually say something constructive about your bike, rather that going into a slanging match about other brands (unless of course someone actually wants the pros and cons of that particular advice)

Whilst I know that you probably know these bikes inside out, and whilst you think that they are crap for whatever reason, others don't share the same sentiments :blink:

I have a 650, and I think it is brilliant :2thumbsup
It gets me where I am going, its reliable, its good on the gravel, and I don't want to/nor expect to take it anywhere much worse than that (but I do :bleh:)
The 650 was a step up from the DRZ250:blink:, and it is a huge improvement.
I don't ride a BMW cause I have lots of money (in fact far from it, I had to save for ages to get enough coin to upgrade :eek5:), when I was in the market I looked at all brands
I test rode the DR650, the 650 and the KTM
Whilst I liked the KTM a lot, the price was just to much to justify, and I felt I really needed to push it hard on the gravel all the time.
The 650 I didn't, I could cruise or push it :2thumbsup

With the ole girl on the back the KTM just didn't cut it, but again the BMW did.

So as you can see, I don't have any particular allegiance to any brand, I brought the one that fitted my needs at the time, and I haven't regretted it once, I still smile whether I am going on a trip or to the shops :2thumbsup

So either you have lost the enthusiasm for riding, or you have too much money and waste it on bikes that don't fit your needs at the time and therefore are bitterly disappointed, or rather I suspect that as I have never met you, that you know shit loads about these bikes, and I would love to yarn to you over a cold beer as I know you would be too willing to share your valuable experiences in person rather than on an Internet forum
The 650 is probably going to be replaced next year, so I need to consider all the options again :shit:

Just my thoughts
Scott

Lucy
30th December 2007, 10:14
Wow havent we opened a huge can of worms here :blink:

The 650 is probably going to be replaced next year, so I need to consider all the options again :shit:

Just my thoughts
Scott


Good post, but why are you going to replace the 650 so soon?

YellowDog
30th December 2007, 10:20
I do like the new offerings from BMW. I would have bought one if the 2008 Tiger wasn't fitted with ABS.

Zukin
30th December 2007, 10:29
Good post, but why are you going to replace the 650 so soon?

It has done almost 50,000k:eek5:
It is a 2005 model

That's how much I love it:yes:

Oscar
30th December 2007, 15:43
Wow havent we opened a huge can of worms here :blink:

Oscar
Just cause you own a KTM, doesn't mean everyone else has too :mad:

You come in here and slag other brands and breeds, I have a 650, and you constantly slag them.
I don't care.
How about once in your life you actually say something constructive about your bike, rather that going into a slanging match about other brands (unless of course someone actually wants the pros and cons of that particular advice)

Whilst I know that you probably know these bikes inside out, and whilst you think that they are crap for whatever reason, others don't share the same sentiments :blink:

I have a 650, and I think it is brilliant :2thumbsup
It gets me where I am going, its reliable, its good on the gravel, and I don't want to/nor expect to take it anywhere much worse than that (but I do :bleh:)
The 650 was a step up from the DRZ250:blink:, and it is a huge improvement.
I don't ride a BMW cause I have lots of money (in fact far from it, I had to save for ages to get enough coin to upgrade :eek5:), when I was in the market I looked at all brands
I test rode the DR650, the 650 and the KTM
Whilst I liked the KTM a lot, the price was just to much to justify, and I felt I really needed to push it hard on the gravel all the time.
The 650 I didn't, I could cruise or push it :2thumbsup

With the ole girl on the back the KTM just didn't cut it, but again the BMW did.

So as you can see, I don't have any particular allegiance to any brand, I brought the one that fitted my needs at the time, and I haven't regretted it once, I still smile whether I am going on a trip or to the shops :2thumbsup

So either you have lost the enthusiasm for riding, or you have too much money and waste it on bikes that don't fit your needs at the time and therefore are bitterly disappointed, or rather I suspect that as I have never met you, that you know shit loads about these bikes, and I would love to yarn to you over a cold beer as I know you would be too willing to share your valuable experiences in person rather than on an Internet forum
The 650 is probably going to be replaced next year, so I need to consider all the options again :shit:

Just my thoughts
Scott

Golly, another contributor whose verbosity exceeds his acumen.

Where did I say that KTM was the only answer? I've owned summat like 40 motorcycles over the last 30 years (and if they'd all been KTM's I'd be broke now). I owned a V-Strom, and can't speak highly enough of it. When I sold it, I got my hands on a GS1200A for a week or so, I loved it, but couldn’t see how it was worth so much more than a 950 Adv (which I bought).

In fact - where did I slag other brands? I call it as I see it – I owned a GS650D, it was a disappointing POS. You like it, bascially because you don't know any better (and that I think is the nub of your complaint here - I have actually only consistantly slagged one bike, the one you own). The fact is that the Transalp is an all around better bike than the 650GSD, as is (in respect of value for money) a DR650. If you were more assiduous is your criticism of me you will have noted that I am also very keen on the Cagiva Canyon – a bike that is approximately 60% of the price of the BMW.

I am neither rich nor disappointed, just a gobshite with a shitload of experience which you may either listen to or not (it's a free country at the moment).

As for enthusiasm, I think it rages on unabated. I am off for a ride tomorrow, and I have the choice between a 640LC4, a 950LC8 or a Transalp - more unsolicited opinions when I return.

marks
30th December 2007, 16:57
threads like this are so much fun

keep it up ladies...

_Shrek_
30th December 2007, 21:09
10/10 for BMW for building the ugliest bike on the market. with a price tag as high as the ducks bill. I personally cannot see bikers queuing up to buy this pile of Gerry made whatever.
Not when you can buy the latest Triumph Tiger 1050 for a similar price tag. With drop dead gorgeous looks. Put the two side by side. I know which bike would sell faster. Also perform better. The Tiger1050 would win in a canter. On or "of" road!!

well HF this just goes to show you dont no shit about beamers :bash: as you can see i have two of them & if I had not just brought the 1150 (was cheap) i would be getting the 850
my 650 has done 119750km all but 40000 in less than two years with no probs & the only reason for selling it I wanted a bigger toy (its a male thing)
have just replaced clutch, water pump, front & rear wheel bearings, clutch & throttle cables
let see how your bike stands up to the adverture riding or are you one of these guys who brags & rides on the tar seal only?

ducatijim
31st December 2007, 07:50
My, my what a temper.
Most people wait 'till they meet me before calling me a cahnt...

I have ridden or tested all the current 1200's (GS, GSA & HP2) and previous GS 1150/1100 & 650 incarnations. Like most BM's - if the dealers gave a shit and if they were 2/3's of the price, I could own one (except the 650, I wouldn't even wish that on you).

Actually the V-Strom's are pretty reasonable adventure tourers (the little one recently cleaned up a Transalp in an Aussie Mag "across Australia" test) for the money so I suggest you actually ride one before judging.

As for "Milwarkee outlet" - you've lost me there. Have you a yearning for a Road King too?


The meds are almost working well now, I find I can almost resist the 'urges'( lovingly caressing the Schrade lock-back in the pocket...)...maybe I should get back to therapy once the bleeding hols are over???....maybe I wont....maybe I'll ditch the meds....maybe......oh fuck it.

I think there is a strong probability you are a cahnt....but I wouldn't ( and haven't) say so untill I have had the pleasure of a few ales with you first!!!!

Whos the lying little prick who said I haven't ridden a DL? Judging me without knowing???? poor form Osc...very poor form. I have and I think they are a good bike- but where do they fit in our BMW bashing? ( oh...do emphasise touring ahead of adventure for the DL- those cast rims and 19" front are liabilities for MY kind of adventuring ol' son.

And, what? only 30 years experience?....where you been..............
.

Oscar
31st December 2007, 08:20
The meds are almost working well now, I find I can almost resist the 'urges'( lovingly caressing the Schrade lock-back in the pocket...)...maybe I should get back to therapy once the bleeding hols are over???....maybe I wont....maybe I'll ditch the meds....maybe......oh fuck it.

I think there is a strong probability you are a cahnt....but I wouldn't ( and haven't) say so untill I have had the pleasure of a few ales with you first!!!!

Whos the lying little prick who said I haven't ridden a DL? Judging me without knowing???? poor form Osc...very poor form. I have and I think they are a good bike- but where do they fit in our BMW bashing? ( oh...do emphasise touring ahead of adventure for the DL- those cast rims and 19" front are liabilities for MY kind of adventuring ol' son.

And, what? only 30 years experience?....where you been..............
.

Where did I say you hadn't ridden a DL?
I did suggest you rode one before judging, and it turns out you had (although I suspect not anyway near its potential). The Strom is a lot more adventurous than it looks.

Actually this argument, whereby much more cogent than previous attempts, is somewhat ruined by your assertion that you are buying a GS800.

Have you ridden one...?


And howsabout a translation on the "Milwakee Suzuki" thing.

ducatijim
31st December 2007, 10:52
My, my what a temper.
Most people wait 'till they meet me before calling me a cahnt...

I have ridden or tested all the current 1200's (GS, GSA & HP2) and previous GS 1150/1100 & 650 incarnations. Like most BM's - if the dealers gave a shit and if they were 2/3's of the price, I could own one (except the 650, I wouldn't even wish that on you).

Actually the V-Strom's are pretty reasonable adventure tourers (the little one recently cleaned up a Transalp in an Aussie Mag "across Australia" test) for the money so I suggest you actually ride one before judging.

As for "Milwarkee outlet" - you've lost me there. Have you a yearning for a Road King too?

Read ur post again you dick.............................................. ............

Wheels and tyre size haven't gone away?( this refers to the DL that I 'NEEDED' to ride before I criticised it, remember??) Actually, I didn't criticise it, I think I said they are a good bike, didn't I????)Doh!

Milwarkee don't put out Suzukis do they( dick again!!) With ur vast experience I'm sure you know what they do, and hence who I mean.

Uhh-haaaaa......I think I tire of this....will go pop some more, and then maybe lay down another 4 hectares this arvo, just for light relief....its less messy than carving stuff up. Make hay while the sun shines, then I can go riding when it rains...Hahaha.......Did I tell u its yella? Oh fuck yeah.....yellayellayellayella, hey, theres a snake like that eh? yella...yellabelly thing.....no,no, I'm confused, must go now. hey, i see 1 'o them sattiltite thingies goin over...thats not you Ol' Osc? spyn on me would ya?would ya, eh?eh?.....fuck................................... ................................

Oscar
31st December 2007, 11:44
Read ur post again you dick.............................................. ............

Wheels and tyre size haven't gone away?( this refers to the DL that I 'NEEDED' to ride before I criticised it, remember??) Actually, I didn't criticise it, I think I said they are a good bike, didn't I????)Doh!

Milwarkee don't put out Suzukis do they( dick again!!) With ur vast experience I'm sure you know what they do, and hence who I mean.

Uhh-haaaaa......I think I tire of this....will go pop some more, and then maybe lay down another 4 hectares this arvo, just for light relief....its less messy than carving stuff up. Make hay while the sun shines, then I can go riding when it rains...Hahaha.......Did I tell u its yella? Oh fuck yeah.....yellayellayellayella, hey, theres a snake like that eh? yella...yellabelly thing.....no,no, I'm confused, must go now. hey, i see 1 'o them sattiltite thingies goin over...thats not you Ol' Osc? spyn on me would ya?would ya, eh?eh?.....fuck................................... ................................

Now we're being abusive (not to mention incomprehensible).
And I think you've been in the sun enough for one day as the "milwakee" reference was yours:


Beats the best Suzuki could do hands down and FAR exceeds anything the putrid Milwarkee outlet in the waikato could even dream up!!!

So I guess you've just called yourself a dick...

ducatijim
31st December 2007, 16:56
Now we're being abusive (not to mention incomprehensible).
And I think you've been in the sun enough for one day as the "milwakee" reference was yours:

Beats the best Suzuki could do hands down, and FAR exceeds anything the putrid Milwarkee outlet in the waikato could even dream up!!!

So I guess you've just called yourself a dick...

I see the problem, well 1 of them, I missed a vital ',' after 'down'. Refering to dealerships as I were in the thread this came from; I did mean that I have had better service from my Bmr outlet than any of the Suzuki dealers I have dealt with ( 3 x Quads on property, all Suz, turned over 1 each 2nd year; you will see I have vast dealings with Suz), AND far exceeds anything..etc....you get the picture.Outlet=Dealership.

You are however, right about the sun and me; we have indeed seen too much of each other today, but it was good to make hay while it shone!

Anyway, I want to finish 2007, cunt of a year it was for me, the way I want to go thru 2008; on a high. Soooo,


HAPPY NEW YEAR AND SEASONS WISHES to all my friends out there in Adventureland, and those who haven't become friends yet. May 2008 be full of long and winding roads( gravel), and happy trips with good friends!
To you too Osc, lets get together sometime, over an ale and finish thrashing BMW's eh?!!!
Jamie.

Oscar
31st December 2007, 17:04
I see the problem, well 1 of them, I missed a vital ',' after 'down'. Refering to dealerships as I were in the thread this came from; I did mean that I have had better service from my Bmr outlet than any of the Suzuki dealers I have dealt with ( 3 x Quads on property, all Suz, turned over 1 each 2nd year; you will see I have vast dealings with Suz), AND far exceeds anything..etc....you get the picture.Outlet=Dealership.

You are however, right about the sun and me; we have indeed seen too much of each other today, but it was good to make hay while it shone!

Anyway, I want to finish 2007, cunt of a year it was for me, the way I want to go thru 2008; on a high. Soooo,


HAPPY NEW YEAR AND SEASONS WISHES to all my friends out there in Adventureland, and those who haven't become friends yet. May 2008 be full of long and winding roads( gravel), and happy trips with good friends!
To you too Osc, lets get together sometime, over an ale and finish thrashing BMW's eh?!!!
Jamie.


Cheers Jim.