Full service?

[Magua]

Damnit. My back brakes have died on me finaly. They do work but only with full presure from my foot. I'm thinking of putting my bike in for a full service and was wondering what does this involve and does anyone have any ideas on costing?

I was thinking along the lines of Red Baron since they are a Yamaha Dealer/supplier.

[Mr Skid]

Damnit. My back brakes have died on me finaly. They do work but only with full presure from my foot. I'm thinking of putting my bike in for a full service and was wondering what does this involve and does anyone have any ideas on costing?

I was thinking along the lines of Red Baron since they are a Yamaha Dealer/supplier.

I'm of two minds about getting my bike serviced at Red Baron since I saw one of their workshop guys wheelieing a mx bike in and out of the workshop repeatedly. It could have been their shop loaner,but it still made me uneasy.

I keep reading good things about Motohaus on this site though, maybe check them out?

I know you've had a bit of a hard time with your bike, but what else is wrong? The rear brake isn't that complex a device, if it's not applying enough force, then maybe the fluid needs changing? That's not too difficult to do, I'm sure someone on the site would be able to give you foolproof instructions on how to do it.

[Shade]

Ya mean people use the rear brake? :bleh:

[Zapf]

apprently Red baron is no longer a authorised honda service center. I was informed of this on a letter from Honda NZ. So u can guess that someone is not happy....

And I have bought some gear off Kerry at Motohaus, and he is great. Havne't had any service done there so won't know... but that is my 1c

will probly call in, in the next few weeks to get a quote for a pipe for my SV thou. Pitty I have to see the motormail sign :shit: heheheh :shifty:

[kerryg]

Damnit. My back brakes have died on me finaly. They do work but only with full presure from my foot. I'm thinking of putting my bike in for a full service and was wondering what does this involve and does anyone have any ideas on costing?

I was thinking along the lines of Red Baron since they are a Yamaha Dealer/supplier.

Like Paparazzi said your back brake is a simple thing. I'm not familair with the set up on your exact bike but assume it's a hydraulic set up. Firstly I'd have look at whether your pads are worn out (usually 1-2mm at least of pad material should remain). This should be easy to check visually without removing anything except perhaps plastic dust cover. If nearly worn out, replace them (very easy and needs no special tools or know-how). If the brakes are spongy or travelling nearly to the bottom of the lever stroke I'd have a look at bleeding the hydraulics. Starting with the obvious: is there fluid in the reservoir? Make sure it's topped up, and kept topped up while bleeding. Attach a short length (about 0.5 to 1 metre or so will be plenty) of 1/4inch/6mm plastic tubing to the bleeder nipple on the calliper, put the free end in a jar with some clean brake fluid in it, crack the nipple open about 1/4 turn and depress the lever to bottom and hold there while retightening the nipple and repeat a few times until clear fluid is coming out and there are no air bubbles. And Bob should be your uncle. If not it might be a crook seal in the master cylinder or something a bit more vexatious but 90% plus of cases it will be sorted out by doing the above. Good luck.

[vifferman]

And I have bought some gear off Kerry at Motohaus, and he is great. Havne't had any service done there so won't know... but that is my 1cYeah, he's a Top Bloke, is Kerry.
And he's getting his workshop geared up, with a new mechanic, EGA machine, etc. I dunno when it's happening (sometime in November), but he has an "opening special" (more like "revamp special") with discounted hourly rate and 10% off parts.

[kerryg]

apprently Red baron is no longer a authorised honda service center. I was informed of this on a letter from Honda NZ. So u can guess that someone is not happy....

And I have bought some gear off Kerry at Motohaus, and he is great. Havne't had any service done there so won't know... but that is my 1c

will probly call in, in the next few weeks to get a quote for a pipe for my SV thou. Pitty I have to see the motormail sign :shit: heheheh :shifty:


Don't know that Red Baron were ever Honda agents, and of course they have Yamaha and Kawasaki agencies so I wouldn't read too much into that. They're also big-time used motorcycle importers so maybe Honda doesn't like that or something...?? I've had a few dealings with them and they've been really good.

I agree about Kerry at Motorhaus. Top guy

[vifferman]

Firstly I'd have look at whether your pads are worn out (usually 1-2mm at least of pad material should remain). ....If the brakes are spongy or travelling nearly to the bottom of the lever stroke I'd have a look at bleeding the hydraulics. ... If not it might be a crook seal in the master cylinder or something a bit more vexatious but 90% plus of cases it will be sorted out by doing the above. Good luck.Yeah, chances are it's probably worn pads, combined with old fluid and a piston that needs a bit of a clean-up.

[Mr Skid]

While we're on the topic of motohaus, does anyone know the relationship between them and the motorcycle surgery? Are they the same place, or are they neighbours or some such? The have different phone numbers so I'm confused..

Also, I was looking at the motorcycle surgery logo when I was visiting Zapf's mates, and it appears to me to be a sillouete of a rider highsiding. Is that what happens after they work on your bike? :spudwhat:

[vifferman]

While we're on the topic of motohaus, does anyone know the relationship between them and the motorcycle surgery? Are they the same place, or are they neighbours or some such? The have different phone numbers so I'm confused..They're a separate business, and neighbours (in the same building, and they sometimes borrow Kerry's stuff (tyre machine, etc.)
They tend to specialise in 'exotica' (Ducatis, Triumphs, etc.) and are apparently quite pricey, but don't even have the proper engine analysers, EGA machine, etc., so I dunno why anyone'd go there instead of to the 'approved' service agent for their make. :Pokey:

[Magua]

I know you've had a bit of a hard time with your bike, but what else is wrong?

:D You sure you want to know?

Flatspots, fuel economy (NONE!), high beams indicator is stuck on, rusted over screws, broken fairings, torn seats, uneven wear on the tyres (twisted forks?), cracked speedo glass, sellotaped mirror.

But yay! I get a new airfilter on Friday! This could be the answer to my fuel economy woes or a waste of $20
:yes: .

[Magua]

Dunno if you can really see my brake pads in these photos but the wheel spokes prohibited a better photo, may try again later.

[Mr Skid]

:D You sure you want to know?

Flatspots, fuel economy (NONE!), high beams indicator is stuck on, rusted over screws, broken fairings, torn seats, uneven wear on the tyres (twisted forks?), cracked speedo glass, sellotaped mirror.

But yay! I get a new airfilter on Friday! This could be the answer to my fuel economy woes or a waste of $20
:yes: .

Wow, and I call my bike Rangi..

New air filter is worthwhile, and your lucky it's only $20. I was quoted $60 squid for an aftermarket one for my cbr.

Ok, here's dr. paparazzi's recommendations:

flatspots + fuel economy
Rebuild carbs, or at least spray some carb cleaner into their throats.

high beams indicator is stuck on
so you mean the switch block is broken?
Go visit atomic bike wreckers and see if they have something. Otherwise if it's the contacts spraying some switch cleaner might sort it out.

rusted over screws
are they important screws? Are the heads rusted completely, or do they just not turn? A bit of CRC never hurt anything alot (that and turps are my miracle tool kit in a can/bottle when I'm serving the neighbourhood children's bikes)

broken fairings
Got a soldering iron? I've patched mine back together with a soldering iron and some cable ties as welding rods. Worked well for me.

torn seats
Find somewhere that sells vinyl, and recover it yourself. A bit of glue and a staple gun should do the job I'd think.

uneven wear on the tyres (twisted forks?)
Is it more wear on the right side than the left? I understand that's not uncommon, given the camber on the roads. You can check for straightness of frame by stripping all the fairings, tank etc off the bike then using two lengths of string check for symmetry on the bike.

cracked speedo glass
Is it possible to disassemble your speedo to get at the glass? if you measure the circumfrence and thickness of the glass, you should be able to get a piece cut to fit.

sellotaped mirror.
I'd go with gaff instead of sellotape. It looks more manly. Otherwise check out the price of a replacement mirror at somewhere like atomic.
My mirrors are a bit nasty looking, but they function perfectly, and I reckon I should be able to get another decent crash out of them.

I finish exams at the end of this week, so hopefully will have a wee bit of spare time, so if you want a hand, let me know.

[Bonez]

Ya mean people use the rear brake? :bleh:
You're stupid not to use both front AND rear brakes to assist slowing down the bike.

[Jackrat]

The one brake pad I can see is not past it's used by date yet.
When did you bleed them last?
If you take it to a shop,make it Mt Eden and don't just say give it a full service,because they will and you won't be able to afford it.Have a talk to the nice man an work out exactly what you want done.
If you happen to look out and see a green & yellow tow truck parked by your bike some time this week,an there's a balding Tattooed scuff checking out the rear brake,don't panic.
It's just somebody I know quite well :msn-wink:

[Magua]

high beams indicator is stuck on
so you mean the switch block is broken?
Go visit atomic bike wreckers and see if they have something. Otherwise if it's the contacts spraying some switch cleaner might sort it out.

Dunno, when low beams are on the indicator on the dash (instrument panel?) lights up for high beams. When I actually flick the switch for high beams it just gets brighter.

[Magua]

uneven wear on the tyres (twisted forks?)
Is it more wear on the right side than the left? I understand that's not uncommon, given the camber on the roads. You can check for straightness of frame by stripping all the fairings, tank etc off the bike then using two lengths of string check for symmetry on the bike.

Less wear on the right side, more on the left.

[Magua]

The one brake pad I can see is not past it's used by date yet.
When did you bleed them last?
If you happen to look out and see a green & yellow tow truck parked by your bike some time this week,an there's a balding Tattooed scuff checking out the rear brake,don't panic.
It's just somebody I know quite well :msn-wink:

Brakes last bleed? Never...
Hehe I've only had the bike say 2-3 thousand k's, so I guess I'll add it to my list of things to do.

I knew I should have bought that bike alarm :yes: Bike wont be anywhere near GC this week with any luck, have to take it in for 3 horrible exams next week though :(

[Magua]

Thanks for the advice, I start a real job towards the end of November and should have some money to turn my bike into something I can be proud of, heh or atleast one that won't surprise me with a new problem everytime I got to take it for a ride :D.

[Mr Skid]

I think a multimeter and some time would sort out your indicator, but the tyre wear sounds a little worrying. String line the frame, and maybe get your forks checked out at a shop.

Alternatively if your frame is bent and your going to buy a nice shiny bike to replace it can I crash this one for you? Please? I like crashing things.

[Magua]

If this bike is fudged then I should get a new bike early next year. Though watching you crash this hunk sounds like fun I think It would be better to try and sell it off.

[Mr Skid]

If this bike is fudged then I should get a new bike early next year. Though watching you crash this hunk sounds like fun I think It would be better to try and sell it off.

Would it be worth more for parts than it would as a whole bike? If so I reckon you could probably get a few low sides out of it before breaking it.

The other thought was with the talk of wheelies and stoppies happening in the other thread, maybe we could all pitch in and make it a communal bike for the purposes of stunt practice.. :lol:

[enigma51]

Brakes are easy to do I will not use Red Baron to service my bike I cant put my finger on it but there is just something about the place that I dont like. HOOOOOOO spooooky

[Posh Tourer :P]

Ok, here's dr. paparazzi's recommendations:

flatspots + fuel economy
Rebuild carbs, or at least spray some carb cleaner into their throats.

TICK

high beams indicator is stuck on
so you mean the switch block is broken?
Go visit atomic bike wreckers and see if they have something. Otherwise if it's the contacts spraying some switch cleaner might sort it out.

That'll be a short in your instruments, dont worry about it, or just spray lots of contact cleaner in the relevant area

rusted over screws
are they important screws? Are the heads rusted completely, or do they just not turn? A bit of CRC never hurt anything alot (that and turps are my miracle tool kit in a can/bottle when I'm serving the neighbourhood children's bikes)

TICK

broken fairings
Got a soldering iron? I've patched mine back together with a soldering iron and some cable ties as welding rods. Worked well for me.

TICK

torn seats
Find somewhere that sells vinyl, and recover it yourself. A bit of glue and a staple gun should do the job I'd think.

TICK - Paparazzi/Magua, have a look at my seat sometime, home made cover roughly patterned off the previous one, with a seing machine and vinyl. However, you have only a square block not a contoured seat, so should be piss easy. Tip is to have the vinyl out in the hot sun, and stretch it on hard. I had to re-fasten mine three times after it stretched with use (new vinyl), even after using a hairdryer and hot sun to soften it and heave on the vinyl.

uneven wear on the tyres (twisted forks?)
Is it more wear on the right side than the left? I understand that's not uncommon, given the camber on the roads. You can check for straightness of frame by stripping all the fairings, tank etc off the bike then using two lengths of string check for symmetry on the bike.

TICK

cracked speedo glass
Is it possible to disassemble your speedo to get at the glass? if you measure the circumfrence and thickness of the glass, you should be able to get a piece cut to fit.

Speedos are not the sort of thing you disassemble yourself - otherwise every bike would only have delivery kms on it.....

sellotaped mirror.
I'd go with gaff instead of sellotape. It looks more manly. Otherwise check out the price of a replacement mirror at somewhere like atomic.
My mirrors are a bit nasty looking, but they function perfectly, and I reckon I should be able to get another decent crash out of them.

TICK - Manly huh... Probably :D



My second opinion in bold.....

Brakes are doable with the right tools, and a little bit of expertise. I guess you have air in your brakes somehow....

[Magua]

Think I may be time wasting with this uneven tread wear, it's not something I've really worried about. It's something I stumbled across. Don't know if you can see in this photo but the difference isn't massive.

[Magua]

In the name of science I measured my chicken strips. There is about 5mm more to the chicken strip on the right side.

[Posh Tourer :P]

Meh. I get uneven profile because I'm over harder in rights when i gas it, whereas lefties I have a sidestand to worry about

[Sniper]

Ya mean people use the rear brake? :bleh:

Bikes have brakes? Why, are they needed? What about weight reduction??

Haha, no it pays to have someone who know what they are doing look at them but Im sure there are plenty of the guys on this site who know what to do

:eek5:

[jrandom]

... I'm over harder in rights when i gas it, whereas lefties I have a sidestand to worry about

I used to have the same problem. Sidestand heel tang would dig in with a most alarming scritchy noise every evening when I went through the off-camber left-hand corner connecting Thingy Street up onto Wotsit, linking from the Northern to the Northwestern. It still only has about half the blob on the end of it left, with a nice flat under-face to it.

But a bin a while back did a nice job of bending the tang back to just the right angle so that the footpeg touches down before it does.

I recommend the same modification. You might prefer to do it with a crescent and hammer if you want the 'surgical precision' approach, though.

[vifferman]

DO go to Kerry at Motohaus He is very helpful and will really look after you.. tell him KB sent ya. :ride:Yeah, I second that.
Ack Shirley, I went to see him at luncheontime. The special promotion he is going to run (discounted parts and labour, to start Motohaus's new Servicing Empire) is only a few weeks away, but I'm sure if you mention it, he'll do you a good deal now. :2thumbsup

[jrandom]

Yeah, I second that.
Ack Shirley, I went to see him at luncheontime. The special promotion he is going to run (discounted parts and labour, to start Motohaus's new Servicing Empire) is only a few weeks away, but I'm sure if you mention it, he'll do you a good deal now. :2thumbsup

I think I'll give him my gremlin-ridden FXR, come to think o'it.

[vifferman]

I think I'll give him my gremlin-ridden FXR, come to think o'it.Is it still plagued? Try using more bug spray....

Motohaus would be about the nearest to you, I guess, apart from maybe Henderson M/C?

[keza]

hey heres an idea it's kerry from motohaus here if you like come on down so i can teat the moisture content of your brake fluid first to see if it is the fluid.We will do this for FREE and we can poke around to see if there is anything obvious fisrt at no charge to you as i would hate for anything to go wrong because you weren't sure of where to go or were worrid about cost.
If you need anything done we will tell you first and anything extra we notify owner before we process we only do what is required or necessary.

Also motorcycle surgery is a seperate business in same building i(kerry)own motohaus and people deal with me direct

Also starting up a new mechanic on 28th november will put offer for everyone that of you GET YOUR BIKE SERVICED BUY US (MOTOHAUS) WE WILL GIVE YOU $10.00 AN HOUR OFF LABOUR AND 10% OFF PARTS

We also selling accessories now arai ventura etc same deal applies

Also WE ARE NOT PART OF MOTOMAIL if you need to phone me 8158384 kerry was going to put this on deal link but can't figure computors out give me a engine anytime

[jrandom]

Is it still plagued? Try using more bug spray....

Motohaus would be about the nearest to you, I guess, apart from maybe Henderson M/C?

It's still failing to proceed. I just haven't bothered to look at it, to be honest. I do not have the time. I really don't. I had a whole day off work for no particular reason yesterday, and I couldn't even come up with an hour to go out and play with a multimeter and a screwdriver.

Until further notice, I am officially one of the Electromechanically Unenlightened, or at least Unresourced. So Kerry can have it, along with a small wad of my hard-earned cash. I'll give him a call this afternoon, I think.

Now... I just need to get it to him.

I'm going to resurrect my 'broken bike' thread and ask for van-or-trailer favours from Te Atatu to Morningside. I don't even trust myself to tie it down on a rental trailer without help. Gawd, I'm pathetic.

[vifferman]

hey heres an idea it's kerry from motohaus here Hi, Kerry!

I'll get onto SpankMe (site administrator) and see if he can jack this up as a dealer's thread thingo.

- Ian.

[Blakamin]

Gawd, I'm pathetic.
Was in 2 minds about commenting for aaaaaages :Pokey:




and then decided to be resonably nice... It's just coz its not your pride and joy, as you said before!... shame its too big to become a bucket!



I think I need a doctor :crazy:

[Magua]

So where exactly is motohaus?

[jrandom]

OK, guys.

Let it be known that Kerry ROCKS, big-time.

Not only did he just agree to squeeze in a look at my poor wee 'sickle at the earliest opportunity, he's even going to swing by and pick it up in his van tomorrow (don't worry Kerry, I won't forget to call and remind you ;) )

I think he's approaching the status of KB Preferred Spannerer. Perhaps we could make him a promotional wall poster for the shop...

[jrandom]

Was in 2 minds about commenting for aaaaaages :Pokey:

and then decided to be resonably nice... It's just coz its not your pride and joy, as you said before!... shame its too big to become a bucket!

Yeah. It's a transport appliance, not a pride-and-joy-mobile. I'm not likely to have any other sort of bike for the next decade or so; they'll get bigger, but not more loved. Used, abused and discarded, will be my riding motto. It's all those common-as-muck Jappas are good for, anyway, isn't it?

Anyway, I'm having fun discussing religion and philosophy on my carpooled commutes with the ColleagueRoundTheCorner (style gratefully appropriated from böringfahrt), so it's not as though I'm in dire straits until it's fixed. I can go another week without major dramas.

And weren't they changing the bucket rules to allow 150cc four-strokes? The FXR would kick *arse* if they did. It makes over 20bhp at the wheel and handles like a razor on P.

Even if they don't, it shouldn't be too much of a huge deal to sleeve the chamber, lap the piston and call it a 140, I wouldnae thunk. But then I'm a MechanicalNumpty, so what would I know.

[vifferman]

So where exactly is motohaus?It's on Western Springs Road. You can either go the way SpeedMedic said, or if you're coming from town, head west along New North Road, and turn right into Western Springs Road after going about two blocks (?) past the shops at Kingsland. Motohaus is about 50m along on the left, just past the apex of the bend.

[jrandom]

It's on Western Springs Road...

It's kinda funny. I spent the first 15 years of my life living just around the corner in Malvern Road. Such a big world, and so many places I keep ending back up at. You'd think there'd be a bit more variety, wouldn't you?

Perhaps I need to get out more.

[Posh Tourer :P]

But a bin a while back did a nice job of bending the tang back to just the right angle so that the footpeg touches down before it does.

I recommend the same modification. You might prefer to do it with a crescent and hammer if you want the 'surgical precision' approach, though.

I got a beyoodiful grind while keeled over coming onto the motorway at Gillies Ave doing **kmh after passing a truck...

I dunno if it'd work on mine.... the stand is jammed up against the exhaust really, and though the peg is miles away, I never hit that anyway (on the other side). I'm slowly increasing clearance as I need it. Works for me.....

[Magua]

Think cable ties would work here?

[Mr Skid]

Think cable ties would work here?

The first pic with the damaged lugs.. hmm.. it wouldn't be the easiest, but as long as it wasn't going to be taking any load on it then my dodgy ass plastic welding would work.

The crack in the second pic would be easy to do.

I'd weld it from the back only. Make sure the bits line up, then using a soldering iron lightly melt the plastic so as to hold it all together.

After that, start melting a a cable tie onto the crack, in the same way you'd use solder when soldering a joint. The cable tie is a nice tacky sort of plastic when melted, and combines the plastic from the fairing to make a fairly solid joint.

I've only tried on my fairings, but I'd assume that yours would be made out of the same plastic as mine, and that a cable tie would be a compatable plastic.

In wind tunnel testing the plastic welds on my top fairing have passed a simulated 170km/h, so it holds together pretty well.

[Magua]

Sweet, I rarely exceed the speedlimit :laugh: after recently getting a ticket so I don't think 170kph will be a problem.

[Kickaha]

And weren't they changing the bucket rules to allow 150cc four-strokes? The FXR would kick *arse* if they did. It makes over 20bhp at the wheel and handles like a razor on P.

.

We can piss over half the RG150's so a FXR wouldn't be to much of a challenge,and all the ones racing down here got dicked big time by Glen on his GN140 bucket and that was on the long track at levels :moon:

[chic 'n' charge]

I feel so sorry for you Mr Magua. Maybe I should send you my piece (FiZzeR) and you could make one piece of shit outta two pieces of shit and Hopefully have a few spare parts left over. Fat chance though. I did the motor up and know only uses 50mL per 100km which is half of that previously. Da brakes are shit hot (bout all it has goin for it) and I have fixed most of the plastics. On the bright side it never uses any coolant!!!!!!!!! :killingme

I want to win Lotto and get me an RVT SP1 or SP 2. Oooooooooooooooh

Wake up call. Still not won lotto!!!!!!!!!!!!! Doh!

:calm: :calm: :calm: :calm: :calm: :calm:
Maybe I need a second job

[Stevo]

I feel so sorry for you Mr Magua. Maybe I should send you my piece (FiZzeR) and you could make one piece of shit outta two pieces of shit and Hopefully have a few spare parts left over. Fat chance though. I did the motor up and know only uses 50mL per 100km which is half of that previously. Da brakes are shit hot (bout all it has goin for it) and I have fixed most of the plastics. On the bright side it never uses any coolant!!!!!!!!! :killingme

I want to win Lotto and get me an RVT SP1 or SP 2. Oooooooooooooooh

Wake up call. Still not won lotto!!!!!!!!!!!!! Doh!

:calm: :calm: :calm: :calm: :calm: :calm:
Maybe I need a second job


Was signed in as the Mrs again. :doh: :doh: :doh: What a Dumbass!

[Stevo]

We can piss over half the RG150's so a FXR wouldn't be to much of a challenge,and all the ones racing down here got dicked big time by Glen on his GN140 bucket and that was on the long track at levels :moon:

You're such a spoil sport Kickaha. Just when the man had great dreams of trying his bike out on the track, you went and :ar15: him down. You big bully! LOL

[Magua]

I went into Motohaus, was quoted around $100 for new brake pads and fluid. Apparently there isn't much left of my brake pads.

[Mr Skid]

I went into Motohaus, was quoted around $100 for new brake pads and fluid. Apparently there isn't much left of my brake pads.

$100 for fluid, pads, and labour.. Did you get a price on just the pads and a bottle of brake fluid?

PM me if you want a hand

[Zapf]

I know the ppl who import lots of car brake pads...not too sure if they do motorcycles. But give them a call.

Master parts . They are on New north road.

[Magua]

$100 for fluid, pads, and labour..

Is that expensive?

[Magua]

$80 for two little pads? Where do they get off selling them at that price?

[Mr Skid]

Is that expensive?
I wouldn't have the foggiest. Was pondering how much of that would be labour charges, and thus how much you could save if you did it yourself.


$80 for two little pads? Where do they get off selling them at that price?
You mean to say you've only now realised that bike wondership is a fiscal black hole?

They're probably FlashFancySupaStoppie brand pads..

[Zapf]

$80 for two little pads? Where do they get off selling them at that price?

and that is cheap. Mintex car brake pads (race/ road rally type) cost upwards of > $200 for a set of 2.

:thud: