Leopard - Mac OS

[Disco Dan]

Anyone tried it out?

Im thinking of upgrading to Leopard (http://store.apple.com/0800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/nzstore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=457B32CC&fnode=home&nplm=MB427Z/A) from Tiger.

Looks great, has some brilliant features.

Main reason though I would like to be able to use Bootcamp again.. since Leopards release the Tiger version "expired" ...clever buggers!

[TerminalAddict]

yep using it since release dat.

not bad .. a few bugs with spaces
a few things popped up in mail.app that are annoying

otherwise .. good as

[ManDownUnder]

Anyone tried it out?

Im thinking of upgrading to Leopard (http://store.apple.com/0800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/nzstore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=457B32CC&fnode=home&nplm=MB427Z/A) from Tiger.

Looks great, has some brilliant features.

Dude... I thought you stuck to pussy?

[007XX]

Dude... I thought you stuck to pussy?

That one obviously bit him :shifty:

Still haven't found the purring button, eh Disco? :bleh:

[Disco Dan]

yep using it since release dat.

not bad .. a few bugs with spaces
a few things popped up in mail.app that are annoying

otherwise .. good as

Great, yeah I have heard the little 'niggles' but nothing major to put me off. Still heaps better than 'other' new release OS' :innocent:

Do you know of any 'fell of the back of a lorry' versions? :whistle:


Dude... I thought you stuck to pussy?

Err.. they are both 'cats'. Maybe thats why I like macs ;)

[xwhatsit]

Apparently most successful version yet of OS X, going by purchase stats and customer satisfaction.

Watch performance, though. If your hardware is a little bit old it may struggle (or at least that's my experience when using upgraded Macs).

[FilthyLuka]

im running leopard on a G4 ibook. Runs fine, nice and smooth

I use linux/freebsd for pretty much everything workstation and server wise so

A) you get workspaces, which are sexy awesome
B) You get expose, which is still sexy awesome
C) You get freebsd terminal commands, directory structure, all that foolery
and D)...


It has pretty colours :love:

[skelstar]

Does look quite mint. Some small trick desktop apps are now starting to be Leopard only which is going to get annoying real soon. Have a Mac Mini (Dual 1.8GHz 2G RAM) so hoping it runs it ok when the time comes.

[bugjuice]

hoping to upgrade with the expensive version of Leopard fairly soon myself (comes with a free mac), just have to decide which one and why!
so many choices and toys, so little money and space.. :weep:

[crazybigal]

watch out the mac blue screen of death will get you!!!:bye:

[Tank]

got it - love it.

Now just waiting for the mac air to run it on also.

[NZsarge]

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Now just waiting for the mac air to run it on also.

Aye! That things a bit sexy innit?!

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Do y'all think my G4 1.42ghz with 1MB ram will run ok?

[bugjuice]

1mb of ram?
that might be a problem.. If you could top it up, like to a gig, then yup, it'll be fine. Don't know how you'd run anything on a meg of ram any more..

[aderino4]

Using it at work on various machines:
Mac Mini 1.83Ghz 1GB Ram
Macbook Pro 2.2GHz 2GB Ram
New Mac pro with 8 core and 1GB RAM (will be upgraded soon)

Haven't seen any issue yet, all my old Tiger apps works well.

Definately worth the upgrade.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

1mb of ram?
that might be a problem.. If you could top it up, like to a gig, then yup, it'll be fine. Don't know how you'd run anything on a meg of ram any more..

Oops Freudian slip - 1 GB of Ram! 1MB? Reminds me of the old days when I had an Amiga 500, got a Ram upgrade to a whopping 3MB!
And a 20MB external hard drive, damn thing cost me about a grand!

Aah, the good old days.....they were shit in computing terms...

[Bren]

Never tried Macs...I went from Windows to a Linux nerd in one foul swoop...Go Linux and forget that mac bullshit...

[Skunk]

We had a couple of issues with getting the linked ethernet running but they turned out to be the switch not the Mac.

Adobe says Freehand doesn't work. Second hand words say it does.

Very nice. Time capsule works (had to try it ;) )
Don't like Stacks.
Don't like the way it displays connected servers in the sidebar. It's better but worse.

Overall - I'm thinking of buying it for home (for the five that can run it here...)

[Big Dave]

.Go Linux and forget that mac bullshit...

ahhhh....no.

[Big Dave]

It's better but worse.


I still prefer system 9 workspace.

ah won'ts be bustin' a nut for new pussy.

[xwhatsit]

ahhhh....no.

Ahhhhhh....yes!

But then again, you take your bike to the shop to be serviced. And you've got an electric boot. Not in your nature, izzit?

[Big Dave]

Ahhhhhh....yes!

But then again, you take your bike to the shop to be serviced. And you've got an electric boot. Not in your nature, izzit?

Care not a jot for how the tool works - just what it can make.

The apps, the apps.

http://web.mac.com/david_cohen_design/Site/Index/Entries/2008/1/17_goove_08_v2.html

[Tank]

Never tried Macs...I went from Windows to a Linux nerd in one foul swoop...Go Linux and forget that mac bullshit...

yeah right - coz Mac OSX is based off a windows kernal.

[TerminalAddict]

Do you know of any 'fell of the back of a lorry' versions? :whistle:


I have know idea what you mean :shifty:

[Badcat]

yeah right - coz Mac OSX is based off a windows kernal.

would be really interested to see your documented proof of that.
i thought it was a kernel based on BSD?
come on tank, show us mac users how clever you are.

[skelstar]

I think the clue is in the 'yeah right' bit.

[Tank]

would be really interested to see your documented proof of that.
i thought it was a kernel based on BSD?
come on tank, show us mac users how clever you are.

It was sarcasm.

You see the comment I was responding to was "Go Linux and forget that mac bullshit..."

I was mealy (in a funny way) pointing out that OSX was in-fact based on UNIX. And the Linux he was referring to is in fact very Unix-like.

But hey what would I know?

[RantyDave]

i thought it was a kernel based on BSD?
AWwwwwww! I know it's a troll, but I can't let another urban legend survive.

Both the OSX and BSD kernels are broken into two bits called (get this) the top and the bottom. The bottom deals with hardware interrupts, scheduling etc and the top is the stuff that gets called by userland. Now, OSX has a Mach microkernel as the bottom half, and the top half was ripped from BSD. As was most of the userland (command line) stuff.

None of which has anything to do with Dan's question which related to 10.5. Which kicks arse. Whether or not it's worth the upgrade from 10.4 depends on how you feel about spending money on an OS. But it is IMHO a big improvement.

Dave

[Tank]

come on tank, show us mac users how clever you are.

umm - forgot to mention in my other post I am also a mac owner - not that it makes any difference. I'm a technologist, not a fanboi.

[limbimtimwim]

Both the OSX and BSD kernels are broken into two bits called (get this) the top and the bottom. The bottom deals with hardware interrupts, scheduling etc and the top is the stuff that gets called by userland. Now, OSX has a Mach microkernel as the bottom half, and the top half was ripped from BSD. As was most of the userland (command line) stuff.Well, actually Dave I think you'll find the original BSD didn't have a microkernel and ARRFHGGJHgsdkhsdfskjldfsldfhkljH!KLHKLJH!!!!!!!!!

[Badcat]

It was sarcasm.

You see the comment I was responding to was "Go Linux and forget that mac bullshit..."

I was mealy (in a funny way) pointing out that OSX was in-fact based on UNIX. And the Linux he was referring to is in fact very Unix-like.

But hey what would I know?

d'oh!
sorry tank - i was a little too quick to jump.
i LOVE 10.5 by the way - my macs have never been better!
ken

[Disco Dan]

yep using it since release dat.

not bad .. a few bugs with spaces
a few things popped up in mail.app that are annoying

otherwise .. good as

I assume it would work on the last generation iMacs?

2 GHz Intel Core Duo
1.5 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM

[Tank]

I assume it would work on the last generation iMacs?

2 GHz Intel Core Duo
1.5 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM

yes it will - no major issues from what I have read. Still the latest verions are really sexy kit - this could be the argument to upgrade ;-)

[Big Dave]

Whether or not it's worth the upgrade from 10.4 depends on how you feel about spending money on an OS. But it is IMHO a big improvement.

Dave

No prob if I'm getting something I need.

I'm gun shy from the system 7 days and not fixing what doesn't need to be.

I worked for an Apple Center in the 90s doing onsite support for printerys and studios.

the don't fix it if it ain't broke mentality is leftover.

I switched the virtual memory off on a working Quadra - at a badge makers once, 'here - this will speed you up even more' - and spent 5 hours on the rebuild.

I already have a backup protocol - what's better in the new one?

[Disco Dan]

http://www.apple.com/au/macosx/guidedtour/large.html

[Big Dave]

http://www.apple.com/au/macosx/guidedtour/large.html

Sew - nothin I haven't seen then. :niceone:

[xwhatsit]

Mach microkernel as the bottom half, and the top half was ripped from BSD.

A microkernel wot is fairly interchangeable. See our old friends at GNU for Hurd/Mach.

So it's as near as damnit to BSD innards. The bits that aren't are fairly generic `cogs'. In a broad sense.

[Disco Dan]

ooooooooooohhhhh ! ! ! ! :Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk:

Now this is an operating system!!!

Without starting off another mac:pc debate... but why the smeg would anyone even bother with windows when leopard exists???!!!!! Its madness!! Madness I tell ya!!!!

Long live the Mac ! ! !

[NighthawkNZ]

Without starting off another mac:pc debate... but why the smeg would anyone even bother with windows when leopard exists???!!!!! Its madness!! Madness I tell ya!!!!


Mainly because I can't use half my software and some hardware I use... (including my printer...) and it would cost even more to convert over...

[Disco Dan]

Mainly because I can't use half my software and some hardware I use... (including my printer...) and it would cost even more to convert over...

I just connected my printer to router and bobs your uncle, fannies your aunt...

Oh and thats what 'boot camp' is for :wink: I still use windows to play games and the odd app the is windows only. I never store or use windows for any documents or doing anything I actually need or want to keep.... :whistle:

It's not for everyone but such an awesome bit of programming genius should get more and more peoples attention....

[NighthawkNZ]

I still use windows to play games and the odd app the is windows only.


Precisely... most of my music applications is Windows only

[Ragingrob]

Seems pretty damn good, windows runs as fine as anything for gaming or whatever so no problems with speed there. I dunno half of what it can do lol windows is the only reason I enjoy it due to non-mac programs/gamies.

[TerminalAddict]

geez that was .. no mucking about eh? :)

no changes in entourage that I can see .. 'cept its native now
iWork is actually useful now that "numbers" has appeared (stupid bosses sending me stupid excel stupid spreadsheets)

I fully use spaces, I missed my multi desktops from my *nix days ... glad to have it back.

[FilthyLuka]

Precisely... most of my music applications is Windows only

Music as in recording or music as in playback?

'cause most of the recording apps are available for OSX

[Angusdog]

I love Leopard. Very nice upgrade and worth the money. Freehand works a charm, but InDesign still has issues (not hiding, not showing, occassionally quitting apparently but not on me).

I don't use a lot of the features: Spaces (I have multiple monitors so less utility for me), Time Machine (I use Retrospect), but I do like web snippets for cartoons. And one day I'll use the stationery to send an email...

Other than that, nice smooth upgrade. Oh, that's on a couple of Mac Pros BTW.

[Big Dave]

what version of freehand?

[NighthawkNZ]

Music as in recording or music as in playback?

'cause most of the recording apps are available for OSX

No apps for creating music... The one I use is Windows only (they are not making MacOS versions of it and there is no plans to) Not only that but I have no plans on replacing all my commercial sofware to Mac versions... ie Corel which I don't think they have a mac version I could be wrong there...

I do know that a fair bit of my software is multi platform... FileMaker9, Fireworks, Freehand, Dreamweaver, Photoshop etc

[FilthyLuka]

No apps for creating music... The one I use is Windows only (they are not making MacOS versions of it and there is no plans to)

Mac has some seriously sexy kit available for it recording wise (you'd wonder why all the recording studios use em...)

what are you doing? live recording with geetar and stuff or other stuff? Cause there are some pretty hot apps i can recommend for either application that are on Mac

[RantyDave]

Mac has some seriously sexy kit available for it recording wise
It has some seriously cheap kit available too. There's a fairly healthy community of people recording semi-seriously on Garageband - part of iLife, $110 (as is iWeb, quite possibly the worst web design package ever).

I was going to start a rant about Pro Tools but you can get it for a bargain $600 now.

Dave

[skelstar]

...quite possibly the worst web design package ever).
Nah, FrontPage FTW. Arguably people use Word/Excel/Access as web design apps too (gak).

Used iWeb to do a quick/tidy slideshow once... like some of the slideshows BD does ;)

[Big Dave]

Nah, FrontPage FTW. Arguably people use Word/Excel/Access as web design apps too (gak).

Used iWeb to do a quick/tidy slideshow once... like some of the slideshows BD does ;)


Drag and drop and online in 5 minutes - you don't even have to resize the source images - all automatic - I reckon for amateur applications it's great.

[NighthawkNZ]

It has some seriously cheap kit available too. There's a fairly healthy community of people recording semi-seriously on Garageband - part of iLife, $110 (as is iWeb, quite possibly the worst web design package ever).

I was going to start a rant about Pro Tools but you can get it for a bargain $600 now.


Why would those that are on PC convert when they have re-buy all there software as well...


Mac has some seriously sexy kit available for it recording wise (you'd wonder why all the recording studios use em...)

what are you doing? live recording with geetar and stuff or other stuff? Cause there are some pretty hot apps i can recommend for either application that are on Mac

I already have the PC equal... CuBase, Reason, ProTools, Audition 3, ACiD, and Sonar . However no I don't do much live recording any more (keyboards), and use midi to control iVST plugins synths. The main app I use is FL Studio (which as I said has no Mac Version nor are they plaining... and the main reason I use FL studio, is because it gives you live time free updates... :-)

Personally I don't see any advantage of converting... My PC is setup and is running smoothly for do all multimedia, video, audio and graphics, as well as database and web design, plus all the other normal user stuff

I haven't had a crash in well to tell the honest truth my main system hasn't... nor had a virus in about 10 years. the Mac doesn't do anything any other system can't do...

[Big Dave]

Yep - most chippies prefer Estwing hammers, some prefer Stanley, doesn't really matter as long as they drive nails.

The software licences I own are not worth changing platforms either.

[Disco Dan]

OMG you can adjust the volume by scrolling left/right over itunes window! !

[Big Dave]

OMG you can adjust the volume by scrolling left/right over itunes window! !

Nice. Find.
Every now and then I 'find' something in photoshop too.

However, a man should not type 'OMG'* under any circumstance.

*Except in this instance.

[RantyDave]

Nah, FrontPage FTW.
Presumably in this case it would be FrontPage FTL. To give it credit I don't think iWeb would suck so much if I got over shocking tightarsedness and just signed up for the online service thing. And...

Why would those that are on PC convert when they have re-buy all there software as well...
You wouldn't. But if one were starting from scratch...

Dave

[Big Dave]

just signed up for the online service thing.

Dave

It has been flakey lately - idisc syncs are failing 50% of the time.

It co-incidently started being fruity about the same time as the latest OS was released.

I suspect the upgrade will fix it.

You get 10gb space and bandwidth now - I post/embed all my pics from .mac on adv and buell groups and here.

I even move big work files around on it. A printer in France is picking up a book I designed at the moment from the file sharing thingy. That all works great.

[xwhatsit]

FL Studio

Hahaha I remember that program, it's a right laugh. Had a blast transcribing and re-writing some of my uni composition assignments into techno dance numbers for shits and giggles :laugh: Not really ideal for the type of `serious' music I'm into, though. I remember there was a VST plugin marketed specifically for FLStudio which had an amazing, realistic-sounding orchestral sample-set. Tried the demo, almost as good as handing the conductor the score in real life, except with no rehearsals and drop-outs playing out of tune...

BTW FL Studio runs in Linux under WINE with great success. Or at least it was a while ago. I expect Crossover for Mac would do quite well with it (being WINE-based).

[NighthawkNZ]

I know its an old thread but meh...!!! I don't come here that often

FL Studio is a full fledged DAW and whilst I don't do a lot of direct audio recording in to it, (as stated earlier I do via midi) it can do it I have seen it do a full band... but that was some advance guru stuff... the new live feature think was how it was done... Many pros and big names are using it now. Even if they don't use it as their main DAW many other producers use it via rewire in to something like ProTools, Cubase or Ableton etc



I still use it mainly because I don't have to worry about always buying the updates as they are free...
I find the workflow easier than some of the other DAWs, (others find it confusing and difficult but meh!)
It meets all my needs...
I have my own following in the indie music world... whilst I f=could reproduce the same song in another DAW I really can't be bothered to learn another one...
It comes with its own synth maker (Flowstone) module so I can make own synths and effects VSTi's
Has too many features to mention that are on par with all the other DAW's so no issue
I have been using it since version 3.4... (dang thats 8 or 9 free upgrades so far)
Native 64 bit
Not overly expensive which means I can afford to buy other stuff and plugins



I could go on but meh!!! anyway Thats why I use it...

The wrapped version of FL Studio on the Mac has had limited success but the need to fully port it... but it is written in Delphi
I am hanging out for FL Studio Version 12 and its new features which I don't have to pay for. the upgraded mixer :gob:


It has come a long way from its humble beginning as drum sequencer... lol

:rockon: