Quick question - re bike cops

[Cary]

I thought there was some new law out to force motorcyclists to keep left?

Does this not apply to bike cops riding less than a bike length appart doing 100km in busy motorway traffic :nono:

Maybe they're 'special' :tugger:

[99TLS]

staggared formation riding , dont think theres a prob there personally, dont think they would pull up two bikes for riding like this but could be wrong.

[marty]

I thought there was some new law out to force motorcyclists to keep left?

Does this not apply to bike cops riding less than a bike length appart doing 100km in busy motorway traffic :nono:

Maybe they're 'special' :tugger:

maybe you're a fuckwit for taking pix while you're driving on the motorway.

[sAsLEX]

I thought there was some new law out to force motorcyclists to keep left?



Would be a fuckin stupid law if it did exist........which I highly doubt!

[Bren]

Speaking of bike cops....have seen one locally in Chch recently...aint seen one down here for years

[Cary]

maybe you're a fuckwit for taking pix while you're driving on the motorway.

And maybe I drive a LHD vehicle, arsewipe

[warewolf]

maybe you're a fuckwit for taking pix while you're driving on the motorway.Yeah, stop being an individual and get back to txting like everyone else!

[Cary]

Yeah, stop being an individual and get back to txting like everyone else!

At least someone on KB's got a sence of humour :whistle:

[NighthawkNZ]

staggared formation riding , dont think theres a prob there personally, dont think they would pull up two bikes for riding like this but could be wrong.

Too the best of my knowledge staggered formation is still the best, safest and most accepted group riding formation. I don't believe they will would either...

Staggered means the formation looks tighter than it actually is but because it is staggered you are in theory still riding 2 seconds behind the bike durectly in front of you (and only and still gives reach rider room to manover...

Well thats the theroy anyway...

[YellowDog]

I thought there was some new law out to force motorcyclists to keep left?

Does this not apply to bike cops riding less than a bike length appart doing 100km in busy motorway traffic :nono:

Maybe they're 'special' :tugger:
It must have been a shame to interupt your texting to take a photo.

You're 'avin a larf mate.

Take more care.

Some of us don't deserve to end up as pizza on the road.

[marty]

And maybe I drive a LHD vehicle, arsewipe

from the position of your vehicle in the lane, and the sweep of the wipers, I doubt very much if it is. are you left handed?

[Jantar]

Would be a fuckin stupid law if it did exist........which I highly doubt!

Unfortunately it it does exist. And yes it is a fuckin stupid law. It came in at the same time as the last rewrite of the traffic rules along with its associated demerit points.

[Cary]

from the position of your vehicle in the lane, and the sweep of the wipers, I doubt very much if it is. are you left handed?

No:doh:


Unfortunately it it does exist. And yes it is a fuckin stupid law. It came in at the same time as the last rewrite of the traffic rules along with its associated demerit points.

Thanks Jantar, no law about cell phone use yet tho:banana:

[PrincessBandit]

I don't see the problem unless (oh no) they were preventing another bike from splitting in between them, ho ho.

[NighthawkNZ]

Unfortunately it it does exist. And yes it is a fuckin stupid law. It came in at the same time as the last rewrite of the traffic rules along with its associated demerit points.

Really... how fuckin stipid is that... I won't be following that law... I pay my registration to ride on the road (and petrol tax), and when in my lane I will use and ride any where in that lane as I feel and see fit, if it is safer for me to be in the right of the lane I will be there, if it safer in the middle I be there and if safer on the left I be there (which is very rear but usually shit on the road and or the line I have choosen for a corner)

... So if they are force us to use half a lane then I want some of my registration money back...

they can shove that law up there hairy pimply covered butts

[sAsLEX]

Unfortunately it it does exist. And yes it is a fuckin stupid law. It came in at the same time as the last rewrite of the traffic rules along with its associated demerit points.

Well just passed my 6F test riding in the right hand wheel track like the rode code always said........ funny that I broke the law the whole test and still passed?

And it makes no sense to me, less visibility to other traffic if you have to hide behind other traffic travelling in your direction,

[spudchucka]

I thought there was some new law out to force motorcyclists to keep left?

Does this not apply to bike cops riding less than a bike length appart doing 100km in busy motorway traffic :nono:

Maybe they're 'special' :tugger:

People think a lot of things, unfortunately they often don't think before opening their mouths or typing shit on the interweb.

[Patch]

People think a lot of things, unfortunately they often don't think before opening their mouths or typing shit on the interweb.

:done: the life expectancy of a troll is not very long, much like a toad really, vica versa for idiots with nothing better to ask than a stupid question

[Bass]

:done: vica versa for idiots with nothing better to ask than a stupid question

Well I reckon that remark is hypocritical, especially when I read your signature as well.

[mazz1972]

Too the best of my knowledge staggered formation is still the best, safest and most accepted group riding formation. I don't believe they will would either...

Staggered means the formation looks tighter than it actually is but because it is staggered you are in theory still riding 2 seconds behind the bike durectly in front of you (and only and still gives reach rider room to manover...

Well thats the theroy anyway...

On Monday there were five of us riding in staggered formation on the highway between Masterton and Carterton. Saw a bike cop coming the other way and he waved to us all.

[crazybigal]

dont give bike cops any grief! it will only make them pick on us!
they are like bumble bees, all good unless you go poking them with sticks!

[Gremlin]

Where's Jim2... he missed this... Complaining about the formation of bikers in a lane...

Wow... a whole thread devoted to it...

(can't let this one stay on topic... so... beers... women)

[Freakshow]

They are keeping the gap big enough for a quick bike to zip between them so where is the problem?

[Cary]

Well I reckon that remark is hypocritical, especially when I read your signature as well.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Usarka]

And maybe I drive a LHD vehicle, arsewipe

Wipers would be on the other side.

send it to www.snapt.co.nz

[gtr boy]

Really... how fuckin stipid is that... I won't be following that law... I pay my registration to ride on the road (and petrol tax), and when in my lane I will use and ride any where in that lane as I feel and see fit, if it is safer for me to be in the right of the lane I will be there, if it safer in the middle I be there and if safer on the left I be there (which is very rear but usually shit on the road and or the line I have choosen for a corner)

... So if they are force us to use half a lane then I want some of my registration money back...

they can shove that law up there hairy pimply covered butts
:2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup

[ManDownUnder]

Unfortunately it it does exist. And yes it is a fuckin stupid law. It came in at the same time as the last rewrite of the traffic rules along with its associated demerit points.

Cheers - didn't know that.

Exactly what does it say/require? Staying left no matter what is dumb... there has to be more to it than that.

Anyone got quotes or references?

[onearmedbandit]

Speaking of bike cops....have seen one locally in Chch recently...aint seen one down here for years

Yip, two in town. Full-time basis as well.

[Bren]

Yip, two in town. Full-time basis as well.

what are they riding these days???

[dmouse]

spotted a rare one today on manchester street handin a local lady cage driver a ticket for overzealous stting off at the lights and slipped her rears with a slight puff of trye rubber and the bike cop was there duno where he came from but he got her before she got to the next set of lights, i must be ettin slow in my old age amazin i didnt see where he came from but i give him full marks did a good job one up to him got my vote

[Taz]

They may be cops that just happen to ride bikes but they're still cops.

[Pixie]

dont give bike cops any grief! it will only make them pick on us!
they are like bumble bees,

They have fat,hairy arses?

[Swoop]

They may be cops that just happen to ride bikes but they're still cops.
Luckily they don't wear tassels then...

[onearmedbandit]

what are they riding these days???

BMW's last time I had a meeting with one.

[AllanB]

There was a article in the Press ;last year re CHCH bike cops making a comeback - bla bla - able to zip between cars and get to emergencies/baddies quicker bla bla.

Then I saw one on his/her new BMW loaded to the hilt bigger than a goldwing farting around town.

Surely one of those BMW sporty 800 things would have been absolutely ideal.

[Soul.Trader]

I thought there was some new law out to force motorcyclists to keep left?

Does this not apply to bike cops riding less than a bike length appart doing 100km in busy motorway traffic :nono:

Maybe they're 'special' :tugger:



There sure are a lot of busy bodies in this country - who would bother taking a photo of this, much less make a point of posting it on a web forum? Do you think anyone here sees anything wrong with what they're doing? I dont.

[Jiminy]

Unfortunately it it does exist. And yes it is a fuckin stupid law. It came in at the same time as the last rewrite of the traffic rules along with its associated demerit points.

Huh? When passing my license last year, I vaguely remember the road code recommending to ride on the right side of the lane for better visibility. I don't have a road code at hand, do you have any reference?

[Jantar]

Cheers - didn't know that.

Exactly what does it say/require? Staying left no matter what is dumb... there has to be more to it than that.

Anyone got quotes or references?

A summary is at http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driver-responsibility/stepping-over-the-line.html.

Failing to keep as close as practicable to left edge of roadway 20 (demerit points)

The appropriate regulation is:

Keeping left(1) A driver, when driving, must at all times drive as near as practicable to the left side of the roadway unless this rule otherwise provides.

(2) If a driver's speed, when driving, is such as to impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic, that driver must, as soon as is reasonably practicable, move the vehicle as far as practicable to the left side of the roadway when this is necessary to allow following traffic to pass.

(3) A driver may drive in the right lane in the direction of travel when driving on a multi-lane road if—

(a) the driver is turning right, or making a U-turn from the centre of the road, and is giving the prescribed signal of that driver's intention to turn right; or

(b) the driver is passing; or

(c) the left lane is unavailable to the driver; or

(d) the driver is required by any provision of this rule to drive in the right lane; or

(e) a variable lane control downward-facing arrow sign indicates that the driver must drive in the right lane; or

(f) the driver is avoiding an obstruction; or

(g) the traffic in all other lanes is congested; or

(h) the traffic in every lane is congested.

[Jiminy]

Too the best of my knowledge staggered formation is still the best, safest and most accepted group riding formation. I don't believe they will would either...

Staggered means the formation looks tighter than it actually is but because it is staggered you are in theory still riding 2 seconds behind the bike durectly in front of you (and only and still gives reach rider room to manover...

Well thats the theroy anyway...

I thought that was 2 seconds behind the closest biker in front of you, therefore 4 seconds behind the one directly in front of you? Anyway, can't have too much room for braking.

[Jantar]

Huh? When passing my license last year, I vaguely remember the road code recommending to ride on the right side of the lane for better visibility. I don't have a road code at hand, do you have any reference?

Yes, the road code does recommend riding in the right hand wheel track. The ACC recommend riding in the right hand wheel track. The safest practice is to ride in the right hand wheel track (or where the driver in front can see you in his mirror). But the rule was written by back room boys who have no practical experience.

[Jiminy]

A summary is at http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driver-responsibility/stepping-over-the-line.html.

Failing to keep as close as practicable to left edge of roadway 20 (demerit points)

The appropriate regulation is:

[I] Keeping left(1) A driver, when driving, must at all times drive as near as practicable to the left side of the roadway unless this rule otherwise provides.


Thanks for the reference, Jantar.

But, wait, the way I understand that rule, it means that you should ride in the lane that is as far left as practical, allowing faster vehicles to overtake you on the right lane. I don't think it's about riding on the left portion of your lane. English is not my first language, so pardon me if I'm wrong.

Another extract I found interesting on the LTSA website:
Passing or attempting to pass where no-passing lines are marked on the road

Wasn't it a rule allowing you to pass as long as you stay within the same lane?

[NighthawkNZ]

Yes, the road code does recommend riding in the right hand wheel track. The ACC recommend riding in the right hand wheel track. The safest practice is to ride in the right hand wheel track (or where the driver in front can see you in his mirror). But the rule was written by back room boys who have no practical experience.

Agreed...

The right wheel track is the best spot to be, better chance of being seen by all, you should in the drivers side rear mirror (not all vehicles have a passager side mirror though I reckon they should).
You will be seen by on coming traffic easier and further away not hidden by the vehicle ahead of you.
You are in a better postion yourself to see and read the road especially if following any traffic. (ie trucks)
You are in a better position to see oncoming traffic if wanting to pass, and or if any other traffic ahead is causing problems...
You are also in a better possition to be seen from behind, if another vehicle is passing the vehicle behind you...

Personally this road code law really is only suitable for cages... and if bikes start to follow this there will be more accidents... a lot more

BRONZ should be looking at this

[Ixion]

The actual law (Road User Rule 2004) makes it plainer


Keeping left

(1) A driver, when driving, must at all times drive as near as practicable to the left side of the roadway unless this rule otherwise provides.
(2) If a driver's speed, when driving, is such as to impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic, that driver must, as soon as is reasonably practicable, move the vehicle as far as practicable to the left side of the roadway when this is necessary to allow following traffic to pass.
(3) A driver may drive in the right lane in the direction of travel when driving on a multi-lane road if—
(a) the driver is turning right, or making a U-turn from the centre of the road, and is giving the prescribed signal of that driver's intention to turn right; or
(b) the driver is passing; or
(c) the left lane is unavailable to the driver; or
(d) the driver is required by any provision of this rule to drive in the right lane; or
(e) a variable lane control downward-facing arrow sign indicates that the driver must drive in the right lane; or
(f) the driver is avoiding an obstruction; or
(g) the traffic in all other lanes is congested; or
(h) the traffic in every lane is congested.


Since the law spells out the circumstances when you may ride (drive) in the right hand lane, by implication, if none of them apply, you may not.

[Gubb]

spotted a rare one today on manchester street handin a local lady cage driver a ticket for overzealous stting off at the lights and slipped her rears with a slight puff of trye rubber and the bike cop was there duno where he came from but he got her before she got to the next set of lights, i must be ettin slow in my old age amazin i didnt see where he came from but i give him full marks did a good job one up to him got my vote


...Sustained loss of traction.

Dang boy-racers.

[Ixion]

Agreed...

BRONZ should be looking at this

We did. We have an assurance from the Minister that it will not be used against bikes riding right wheel track. The leagal justification resting on the "as near as practical" clause. It was quietly admitted (of the record of course) to be an oversight. But changing it would be difficult and expensive. sigh.

As far as I know no bike has ever been ticketed for it. If anyone is we will certainly take it up again.

[Finn]

Jon Baker and Frank Poncherello can ride however the fuck they like. Don't mess with men in tight pants.

[Patch]

Jon Baker and Frank Poncherello can ride however the fuck they like. Don't mess with men in tight pants.
:laugh: I don't imagine half this lot 'ere would know who those two are

[fliplid]

Only half?!

[pritch]

Failing to keep left has been with us for a long time now, I got a ticket for that (and five other things) in 1961.

Back when Baker and Poncharello were still in short pants. Although Ponch may have been wearing his sisters clothes...

[mowgli]

A summary is at http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driver-responsibility/stepping-over-the-line.html.

Failing to keep as close as practicable to left edge of roadway 20 (demerit points)

The appropriate regulation is:

[I] Keeping left(1) A driver, when driving, must at all times drive as near as practicable to the left side of the roadway unless this rule otherwise provides. ....

Yup. It's been law for a few years though. Only the demerits are new.

I think the key here is the word "practicable". As far left as is practicable but still complying with the general rule. For instance you are required to ride completely within your lane on a laned road (even if the verge is perfectly drivable) unless pulling over to assist another vehicle to pass safely.

The rule also states that, "A driver must not operate a vehicle in a condition or manner that causes or is liable to cause injury to any person or animal". To comply with this clause "practicable" means positioning your bike in the lane so as to minimise the risk of injury to yourself and others. All things being equal stay left but where safety comes into play ride wherever.

The proof is in the road code. This link (http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driving/keeping-left.html) clearly shows two motorcyclists on a busy two lane road following in the right wheel track of the car in front. Although personally if I was the rider heading down the screen I'd be in the left wheel track just in case the blue car was looking to overtake and hadn't seen me.

[sAsLEX]

The proof is in the road code.

Although a handy indication, the Rode Code has no legal standing does it?

[mowgli]

Although a handy indication, the Rode Code has no legal standing does it?

True. However, the road code is the most accessible interpretation of the land transport rules and it is maintained by an authoritative source. I think in a test of reasonableness that complying with the road code would in most cases be accepted in court as complying with land transport rules.

Although you couldn't claim that something must be legal if it's not mentioned in the road code as you might do with legislation.