Knives the 'new' weapon of choice...

[madandy]

A few recent deaths and the media are jumping on this new threat.
Kids as young as 9, they say, are arming themselves with knives before heading out at night...
I've had a couple of knives waved at me in the past...seems now youths think its ok to actually stick people!
Bout time some old school discipline was handed out, don't you reckon?

[Virago]

Kids don't kill people - knives kill people.

Ban the knives - ban them all...!

[sAsLEX]

Bout time some old school discipline was handed out, don't you reckon?

was working with some yoofs in a interventention scheme and was interesting to hear one of them boasting of sticking the PoPo.....

Bring back CMT. Would love to see the little pricks try to stick a CSM.

[Virago]

...Bring back CMT. Would love to see the little pricks try to stick a CSM.

They'll learn to do it properly with bayonets - stick it in, twist, pull it out...

[kevfromcoro]

Was good to see the public jump on that prick the other day in Manurewa..
Gave him a good BASH.

[sAsLEX]

They'll learn to do it properly with bayonets - stick it in, twist, pull it out...

and if it sticks just pull the trigger to loosen it up a bit......


You call that a knife?!




This is a knife!

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[Coyote]

I think it's everyone's right to have a knife with them at all times, to defend themselves against people with knives.

The House of Knives would go under if they were banned too!

[Dak]

Never ever take a knife to a gunfight! :2guns:

[Teflon]

I think it's everyone's right to have a knife with them at all times, to defend themselves against people with knives.

The House of Knives would go under if they were banned too!

Yeah i agree. My BearClaw is always with me when i know shit may happen.. need a cheap one for under the seat of bike.

[Virago]

I think it's everyone's right to have a knife with them at all times, to defend themselves against people with knives...

Bugger that - weapons grade plutonium is the best defence...!

[McJim]

Isn't there a law against carrying knives here? Back home they jailed shitloads of guys in the eighties. Operation Blade thay called it and did random stops and searches. We were lucky in Glasgow - we could do that sort of thing to get all the crims coz there were no daft bastards to shout "Racism" coz there were no blacks in Glasgow (a few Chinese, Indian and Pakistanis right enough that knew to stay away from violent shit).

Can't be done anywhere else coz the knife carriers are predominantly minority groups so despite going for the subset of population say "All concealed knife carriers" the Police inadvertently collect more minority groups than majority groups and get accused racism and it all becomes a PR nightmare.

Change of policy then - shoot to kill anyone who wields a knife.

[Dargor]

A few recent deaths and the media are jumping on this new threat. Its hardly a new threat, and i haven't seen much jumping.

Kids as young as 9, they say, are arming themselves with knives before heading out at night... Heres the threat to be jumping about. Fucking gang people.

I've had a couple of knives waved at me in the past...seems now YOUTHS Cough! street-vermin
think its ok to actually stick people!
Bout time some old school discipline was handed out, don't you reckon? never mind school, any form of discipline* will do.

*discipline not abuse. Abuse makes more street vermin.

[Dave Lobster]

Why are children, as young as nine, out at night?

[mstriumph]

nasty
but preferable to children with firearms on the street

realistically, the victim would probably have a better chance against something that could only be used in close proximity ...... also, knife-fighting takes a degree of skill - of which 'waving it about and spouting off' doesn't form part [although this is not generally recognised, methinks, in the comic books that likely form this sort of perp's literature-of-choice?] ....

also, to do damage with any degree of artistry and precision takes a reasonable knowledge of anatomy --- and anything that makes the little sods hit the books .... right?:2thumbsup

given a choice, i'd rather be 'held up' by a kid with a knife than a kid with a gun ......... hopefully s/he would 'get the point' sooner or later ........:sunny:

[sAsLEX]

Never ever take a knife to a gunfight! :2guns:

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Arse couldn't find it in English.

[Weaver]

Isn't there a law against carrying knives here?

I believe you can carry a knife as long as the blade is under 3 inches.
I carry A small pocket knife at all times. Its over all lenght is only 140mm (unfolded). Its very pratical and I use it regularly. Never once needed it for protection and I hope that I never do have to use it. Even if you do use it to defend yourself, you'll still find yourself in a world of shit with the police.

[Hitcher]

don't you reckon?

It's nothing to get cut up about.

[sAsLEX]

I believe you can carry a knife as long as the blade is under 3 inches.


Or you are a Sikh, as its racist to impose our Kiwi laws on Sikhs.

[Headbanger]

nasty
but preferable to children with firearms on the street

realistically, the victim would probably have a better chance against something that could only be used in close proximity ...... also, knife-fighting takes a degree of skill - of which 'waving it about and spouting off' doesn't form part [although this is not generally recognised, methinks, in the comic books that likely form this sort of perp's literature-of-choice?] ....

also, to do damage with any degree of artistry and precision takes a reasonable knowledge of anatomy --- and anything that makes the little sods hit the books .... right?:2thumbsup

given a choice, i'd rather be 'held up' by a kid with a knife than a kid with a gun ......... hopefully s/he would 'get the point' sooner or later ........:sunny:


Load of rubbish.

Stabbed people die, read a newspaper. Knife fights aren't the skillful dance you see on TV.

As for me, 600 stitches, slit throat, punctured lung, Stomach/chest cut open, knife in my back (i had decided to get the fuck out) cleaved along 8 inches and exited out through my armpit.

[Nagash]

I carry an opinel on me but as of yet just for practical means, don't think i'd even remember it if I were in a position of danger, but I reckon it'd work quite well at disabling an attacker.

[Swoop]

Why are children, as young as nine, out at night?
Selling Meth and pimping out their younger sister, of course!

[PrincessBandit]

Well two fatal stabbings in my neck of the woods in almost as many days. Yippee. No wonder my husband doesn't want me to go up to the supermarket at night.

[Crasherfromwayback]

nasty
but preferable to children with firearms on the street

realistically, the victim would probably have a better chance against something that could only be used in close proximity ...... also, knife-fighting takes a degree of skill - of which 'waving it about and spouting off' doesn't form part [although this is not generally recognised, methinks, in the comic books that likely form this sort of perp's literature-of-choice?] ....

also, to do damage with any degree of artistry and precision takes a reasonable knowledge of anatomy --- and anything that makes the little sods hit the books .... right?:2thumbsup

given a choice, i'd rather be 'held up' by a kid with a knife than a kid with a gun ......... hopefully s/he would 'get the point' sooner or later ........:sunny:

You're joking here aren't you?? Most of these cunts that are stabbing people would have zero chance of obtaining a firearm. Anyone has access to a knife that will kill.

And a 'degree of skill'? More like a 'P' fuelled frenzy!! 'Artistry' and 'Precision'? It's purely BAD luck on behalf of the victims of these brutal crimes if they die. And I hope you don't ever have to tell us of you 'close encounter'.

In my opinion...you stab someone with intent to injure/maim or kill...you have BOTH hands removed with a chainsaw.

[Paul in NZ]

It IS a bit of an issue, can't be arsed typing endless 'experiences' because its all the same. Certainly I've seen more knives waved about in the last 2 years than ever before.. and by all sorts of under 20's.

For some reason people feel the need to attack each other with weapons - just like kids are drowning because we forgot to teach them to swim at school, people are dying because we forgot to teach people ethics, manners and to model decent behaviour. Just try and find a strong male role model in a school these days...

Fuck freedom - raise the drinking age, recruit more beat cops and enforce standards on family groups - ie - either your family contributes or you all get kicked out...

[Paul in NZ]

In my opinion...you stab someone with intent to injure/maim or kill...you have BOTH hands removed with a chainsaw.


Bit extreme but I tend to agree...

[fliplid]

In the UK when they rounded up all the knives, as McJim mentioned, I don't think it actually had any effect whatsoever on their illegal usage- bit like the collecting all the legit and "collectors" unregistered firearms... (Now all the arses have the firepower as a result!)

There seems to be a lack of socially placed boundaries collectively placed in society- for a long list of reasons, inc PC, political, etc. All of this is coming back to haunt all the liberal nambypambies who started it all, and everyone else as a result. Where there is no discipline, there is no respect for others, and their rights.

[MisterD]

Well two fatal stabbings in my neck of the woods in almost as many days. Yippee. No wonder my husband doesn't want me to go up to the supermarket at night.

Well it does look like one of them was someone who'd had enough of getting his fence tagged "lost it" somewhat - wonder if any of the little shits will learn from that?

[Grahameeboy]

Well it does look like one of them was someone who'd had enough of getting his fence tagged "lost it" somewhat - wonder if any of the little shits will learn from that?

No cause it just escalates things..............taggers will now carry knives.

Geeze is tagging really a big deal enough to stab kill someone..........there was a guy tagging on the Naval storage near me the other night........should have borrowed Dan's gun and shot the bugger.........

[Coyote]

Isn't there a law against carrying knives here? Back home they jailed shitloads of guys in the eighties. Operation Blade thay called it and did random stops and searches. We were lucky in Glasgow - we could do that sort of thing to get all the crims coz there were no daft bastards to shout "Racism" coz there were no blacks in Glasgow (a few Chinese, Indian and Pakistanis right enough that knew to stay away from violent shit).

Can't be done anywhere else coz the knife carriers are predominantly minority groups so despite going for the subset of population say "All concealed knife carriers" the Police inadvertently collect more minority groups than majority groups and get accused racism and it all becomes a PR nightmare.

Change of policy then - shoot to kill anyone who wields a knife.
You assume minority groups are going to be the ones with knives? Rashist!

As for me, 600 stitches, slit throat, punctured lung, Stomach/chest cut open, knife in my back (i had decided to get the fuck out) cleaved along 8 inches and exited out through my armpit.
Sounds like a good night out. Did you say Snoop Dog sucks?


For some reason people feel the need to attack each other with weapons - just like kids are drowning because we forgot to teach them to swim at school, people are dying because we forgot to teach people ethics, manners and to model decent behaviour. Just try and find a strong male role model in a school these days...
Basically, they're not allowed to be taught unless they themselves choose too. My Dad is an English teacher at Nae Nae College so he's at the front line of the race war. If he gets an unruly maori kid disrupting class, he can try punish them by telling them to be quiet in a well mannered voice, or he can get the principle to come in and say "has the teacher been discriminating you? Don't worry, I'll have a word with him later, you just keep on listening to your mp3 player". Then Dad get's told off for giving the poor kid a hard time as he/she's had a hard life in the ghettos.

However if a white kid gets attacked by a group of hoodlums and is left pantless in the middle of the school yard in front of everyone, the principle says "I don't want to hear about it" and the whole thing is covered up.

[sAsLEX]

No cause it just escalates things..............taggers will now carry knives.

Geeze is tagging really a big deal enough to stab kill someone..........there was a guy tagging on the Naval storage near me the other night........should have borrowed Dan's gun and shot the bugger.........

Well did you call the police? Or the Naval Base Officer of the Day? Or confront the yoof yourself?

As if you didn't you are escalating the problem through inaction.


People will take the law in to their own hands when the police repeatedly fail to deliver anything resembling justice other than tickets for 111Kmhr.

[Ixion]

Well did you call the police? Or the Naval Base Officer of the Day? Or confront the yoof yourself?

.

Oh oh oh oh. Please please, if you see them again, call the Base . Those MPs don't pansy around like civilian cops. Has flogging definately been abolished. But, unofficially, like ....

[jahrasti]

Oh oh oh oh. Please please, if you see them again, call the Base . Those MPs don't pansy around like civilian cops. Has flogging definately been abolished. But, unofficially, like ....

MP's are bitches who pretend to play cop and have no power.

[Mr Merde]

Knives are so easy to obtain and so easy to use.

You dont have to know a lot to be able to cut someone. To use a fighting knife properly one has to be trained and has to practice.

When I lived in the UK there was a concerted effort to stop people from carrying Stanley knives.

Why did they carry them? Because they caused maximum injury with a much lesser danger of killing anyone. If you have ever seen someone who has been slashed by these things the damage they inflict is horrendous.

So why are knives being carried by the arsehole? Because they are so easy to obtain, they think they look hard and they know that if caught just carrying them they will at worst only get a slap on the wrist.

I personally have always carried a pocket knife. It is always in one of my pockets, it is always razor sharp and it has been used for a multitude of tasks from cable work to box opening. The difference is I am not a street punk trying to look hard (and American). My knife is what it was designed for, a tool, not a weapon

[Hitcher]

Nobody "wins" in a knife fight, no matter how skilled they may think they are. The chances of walking away unharmed are remote. That's why people invented personal projective weapons.

[Finn]

Did you hear the one about the kid that went to a knife fight armed with a spray can?

[cruza]

Thinking of all the shit we go through being a licensed firearms user, safe storage/ safes/ clubs etc, and the constant back lash of how dangerous they are in the wrong hands--- and jimmy r sole we read about all the time just uses a $5 kitchen knife, it comes down to the person in the end , I shudder at some of the things young people do today,respect for others- and I'm only in my 30's

[Macktheknife]

Nobody "wins" in a knife fight, no matter how skilled they may think they are.

Sorry Hitcher, have to disagree with you, sort of.
Winning in a knife fight is not about coming away without injury, it is about having minimal injury and your opponent neutralised as a threat. That might mean badly injured or possibly dead, but no longer a threat.
So someone should definitely win.

Personally, I say give them all knives and let them go for it. Whoever survives, should probably be shot on sight, because they will be dangerous buggers!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Thinking of all the shit we go through being a licensed firearms user, safe storage/ safes/ clubs etc, and the constant back lash of how dangerous they are in the wrong hands--- and jimmy r sole we read about all the time just uses a $5 kitchen knife, it comes down to the person in the end , I shudder at some of the things young people do today,respect for others- and I'm only in my 30's

A decent kitchen knife costs a LOT LOT more than $5

[sunhuntin]

A decent kitchen knife costs a LOT LOT more than $5

craft/stanley knives dont.

i remember in high school, i nearly shredded someone standing behind me cos he dropped something down my shirt. i was sharpening a pencil at the time and lashed out without thinking. damn pity i wasnt a tad closer... might have made the rest of my school years easier.

[Grahameeboy]

Well did you call the police? Or the Naval Base Officer of the Day? Or confront the yoof yourself?

As if you didn't you are escalating the problem through inaction.


People will take the law in to their own hands when the police repeatedly fail to deliver anything resembling justice other than tickets for 111Kmhr.

Mmmm....No, yes and yes. Now painted over.

Stabbing a tagger is not taking law into own hands.........the guy deserves jail time...........

[Brett]

Unfortuanately there is bugger all we can do about these pricks carrying knive. That is why, either this year or early next year my brother and I want to go to the bloke in Dunna's who trains people in Close Quarter Combat, he trains the SAS and other special opps units and runs intensive courses over a few weeks. Best way of learning to defend yourself IMO. Currently I box and keep myself as fit as possible, this would be the next step. Want to get my wife to do a similar course also.

[Brett]

Did you hear the one about the kid that went to a knife fight armed with a spray can?

Yeah, he wasn't cut out for it.

[Finn]

Yeah, he wasn't cut out for it.

I heard he was badly burnt but I guess they don't fuck round at the crematorium.

[99TLS]

another one on the news now and in manurewa also thats 3 there now

[Mikkel]

Carrying a knife for your own protection is a really really bad idea unless you know how to use it.

If I had anyone pull a knife on me I'd probably try and evaluate whether the person knew how to use it properly. If he didn't I'd take it off him and show him why it's a bad idea.

And why bother carrying a knife anyway? The supply of improvised weapons is never-ending...


Did you hear the one about the kid that went to a knife fight armed with a spray can?

spray-can + lighter = mini flamethrower...


As for taking hands off with a chainsaw - I'd say use a hammer I'm sure the memory would last longer!

[Mekk]

Load of rubbish.

Seconded.

Having been stabbed in the throat by a some guy fucked on drugs, it's easy to see how damage can be done regardless of skill or inebriation level.

[kevfromcoro]

another one on the news now and in manurewa also thats 3 there now

Just heard that on the news...lady slashed in the throat
.Not dead...3 in 4 days..all in Manurewa

[Mekk]

Just heard that on the news...lady slashed in the throat
.Not dead...3 in 4 days..all in Manurewa

Media sensationalization. These attacks are probably within the normal statistics, especially in that area.

I think it's being worked up like those dog attacks a little while ago. Unless there's hard evidence of knife attacks increasing, we cannot assume it's anything out of the ordinary just because there's increased media coverage of such things.

The Herald especially enjoys this type of journalism, so before everyone gets paranoid and starts carrying counter-weapons, I suggest we take a step back and have a look at the right facts.

[Headbanger]

Carrying a knife for your own protection is a really really bad idea unless you know how to use it.

If I had anyone pull a knife on me I'd probably try and evaluate whether the person knew how to use it properly. If he didn't I'd take it off him and show him why it's a bad idea.



In all seriousness, what makes you think you could?

The guy that knifed me, I never saw the knife, I thought I dodged a punch, But no, he had slit my throat....and I stepped in and him on the chin.

[SPman]

However if a white kid gets attacked by a group of hoodlums and is left pantless in the middle of the school yard in front of everyone, the principle says "I don't want to hear about it" and the whole thing is covered up.
Well, I hope he was covered up.........

disgusting sight...........

[Dargor]

Unless there's hard evidence of knife attacks increasing, we cannot assume it's anything out of the ordinary just because there's increased media coverage of such things.

The Herald especially enjoys this type of journalism, so before everyone gets paranoid and starts carrying counter-weapons, I suggest we take a step back and have a look at the right facts.

So if these things happen all the time that makes it ok. No thanks, if these things happen all the time then we should be carrying "counter-weapon", whatever they maybe.

[Mr Merde]

So if these things happen all the time that makes it ok. No thanks, if these things happen all the time then we should be carrying "counter-weapon", whatever they maybe.


Sorry to burst your bubble but unfortunately it has been decided that you or anyone is in no way allowed to carry as you put it a counter weapon.

It has been decided, by whom I am not too entirely sure, that for you to fight back in any way would contravene the rights of the criminal to pursue their chosen career. If by any chance you actually damaged said criminal you would be guilty of usually a far greater crime and the full force of the law will be brought to bear and to defend yourself you will have to bankrupt yourself and your family. This bankruptcy is deemed a fitting punishment by your superiors for daring to oppose what they see as morally correct.

It would be much more favourably looked upon if you were to submit to the criminal behaviour and become a victim. This would allow the mass media a much greater opportunity to pontificate over the decline in societies moral. It would also grant those persons who stop you from defending yourself, to use your predicament as excuse to further fortify their positions by more and more draconian steps all designed to subjugate the general population.

Lifes a bitch and the sooner you become one of the herd the better.

[mitchilin]

Glad to see this isn't turning into an anti knife kind of thing.People will use what ever falls to hand as a weapon like screwdrivers bottles,jackhandles....There used to be an old adage about running from a knife and grabbing a gun.As far as the police are concerned,if you can justify having the knife theres no real drama.I mean you are not going to take a three inch knife pig hunting are you?I've carried a knife a for years as a tool and don't want to lose that privilage because of bunch of fuckhead kids.

[Brett]

Sorry to burst your bubble but unfortunately it has been decided that you or anyone is in no way allowed to carry as you put it a counter weapon.

It has been decided, by whom I am not too entirely sure, that for you to fight back in any way would contravene the rights of the criminal to pursue their chosen career. If by any chance you actually damaged said criminal you would be guilty of usually a far greater crime and the full force of the law will be brought to bear and to defend yourself you will have to bankrupt yourself and your family. This bankruptcy is deemed a fitting punishment by your superiors for daring to oppose what they see as morally correct.

It would be much more favourably looked upon if you were to submit to the criminal behaviour and become a victim. This would allow the mass media a much greater opportunity to pontificate over the decline in societies moral. It would also grant those persons who stop you from defending yourself, to use your predicament as excuse to further fortify their positions by more and more draconian steps all designed to subjugate the general population.

Lifes a bitch and the sooner you become one of the herd the better.

Rip an aerial off a car near by, they make brilliant defence weapons when used right.

[Mr Merde]

Rip an aerial off a car near by, they make brilliant defence weapons when used right.

So you are advocating vandalism, criminal damage, assault with a weapon and disobediance of the law.

Next you strike the crim and he suffers an injury in the normal course of his occupation, ACC will have to pay out and we will have to foot the bill with greater and greater deductions for the agency from our income.

Our medical resources which we also pay for with our hard earned taxes will be open to the crim so as to restore him/her to as full health as possible so as to enable them to once again partake of their chosen occupation.

As I said ealier it is far better to lay down and take what ever is thrown art you with out recourse to defence. Better for the crim, better for the media, better for the government and financially better for all of us who have to pay for the repairs.

As a victim we\you are on a hiding to nothing. Buggered if you do buggered if you dont. So dont rock the boat. Be a good little citizen and get done over.

[Mekk]

So if these things happen all the time that makes it ok. No thanks, if these things happen all the time then we should be carrying "counter-weapon", whatever they maybe.

I have no idea how you managed to deduce that from what I said.

Please explain why you think carrying more weapons would prevent further stabbings.

[Mikkel]

In all seriousness, what makes you think you could?

Well, I realise that there are situations where you won't see it coming.

I've so far succeeded in avoiding getting into violent confrontations and am hoping to be able to continue that trend.

As for thinking I could take the knife off the guy... I sure hope I'd be able to - but as I said, I wouldn't even consider that option if he seemed to be knowing how to use it.

[ManDownUnder]

I have no idea how you managed to deduce that from what I said.

Please explain why you think carrying more weapons would prevent further stabbings.

On the bright side... the cops will get to practice their tazer use!

"I'm gonna kill you, fucken pig!"


ka ZAPPP-PPP-PPP-PPP-PPP!

[sAsLEX]

I have no idea how you managed to deduce that from what I said.

Please explain why you think carrying more weapons would prevent further stabbings.



Two mags of 9mm through your chest will stop you stabbing me.

[Dargor]

Mr Merde, I understant what your saying, and i understand that in this country in this age the law says that. But remember that gun shop worker who shot the robber. Laws change, and thats one that should.

What ever the law says does not put the crim in the right, and that does not put anyone who defends themselves in the wrong, in my any many others opinions.

If i were being attacked i would defending myself(or run), I would exercise restraint(unlike the guy who killed the tagger). But i am no expert in dealing with those situations (thats the cops job and they cant be everywhere) and i would not accept responsibility for any mistakes I may make. If have not started the attack, It was there choice, their fault.

If that situation turned to shit, and i were in obvious trouble with the coppers, I would run to the media and tell my story. Try to get the public on my side, try to get that law changed pronto.


Mekk. There are more good people than bad people in the country, it democracy, seems to be working, must be.
If everyone had a gun, and everyone were ready to turn it on crims. Then the any crim who was seen robbing dairy's would be shot, this would make every crim think very hard before robbing the dairy.
That and what sAsLEX said would prevent stabbings.

for more info http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/?faq=firearms#488.
Im not sure i agree with everything the libertarianz think but they have it right there.

[Headbanger]

As for thinking I could take the knife off the guy... I sure hope I'd be able to - but as I said, I wouldn't even consider that option if he seemed to be knowing how to use it.

He wouldn't need to "know" how to use it, Just get you with it and your in trouble.

During my "incident" 2 others grabbed the guys arms, He stabbed one in the groin, The other in the face.


No "know how", Just rage and tools.

Not that I can tell you how to handle such a situation, But if the man or child is going to use the knife on you then there is little reason to expect him to show it to you so you can gauge his skill level. More likely poke ya in the gut.

[Mr Merde]

Mr Merde, I understant what your saying, and i understand that in this country in this age the law says that. But remember that gun shop worker who shot the robber. Laws change, and thats one that should.

..


I think you should look back at some of my posts.

I have a very dry sense of humour and understanding that then reading my post here you would probably discover an underlying sarcasm of the laws that govern us today and a complete distrust and almost loathing of those they assume they know whats good for us. Coupled with their enforcement departments they are the greatest threat we face today.

As to the gun shop employee, I have met Greg and his father and fully approve of the result of the case so far.

I am one of those persons vilified by the media and the bleeding heart liberal. I am a member of the most taxed and least represented group of people in this country. I'm middle aged, male,employed, hetrosexual, educated and a firearms owner. I have been trained in their use and know the devastation they can cause when used on another human being.

Its nice to see another person capable of making a rational decision with regards to their own well being but unfortunately there are too many in this country all too willing to evade any personal responsibility and pass it on to any one or any thing else.

[Mekk]

Two mags of 9mm through your chest will stop you stabbing me.

Touche...

...but you'll probably be stabbed in prison.

[Headbanger]

Touche...

...but you'll probably be stabbed in prison.

Yeah, fighting off your rapist....

[Wolf]

And so you encounter a gang of 9-year-olds with knives, they threaten you. Your life is clearly in danger, they can surround you - you can't possibly keep track of all of them, even if they don't kill you they can seriously fuck you up (that which does not kill you.... can still leave you maimed for life.)

So you've ascertained that a serious threat exists and you attempt to defend yourself. You manage to hammer the shit out of two of the little buggers before their mates get you in the kidneys. They work you over, leave you for dead and if you're liucky enough to survive you find yourself up on charges of assaulting and maiming two minors.

As to taking the knives off them in a "fair fight": I can't remember who said it (it was in some news report about a bloke who was stabbed a while back) but I cannot get out of my mind: "I thought he had punched me - and then I felt the blood flowing..."

He didn't even see the knife.

[mstriumph]

Load of rubbish.

Stabbed people die, read a newspaper. Knife fights aren't the skillful dance you see on TV.

As for me, 600 stitches, slit throat, punctured lung, Stomach/chest cut open, knife in my back (i had decided to get the fuck out) cleaved along 8 inches and exited out through my armpit.

shot people don't die? :blink:

nevertheless, sorry to hear about your incident - hope you are ok now.

[mstriumph]

You're joking here aren't you?? Most of these cunts that are stabbing people would have zero chance of obtaining a firearm. Anyone has access to a knife that will kill.

And a 'degree of skill'? More like a 'P' fuelled frenzy!! 'Artistry' and 'Precision'? It's purely BAD luck on behalf of the victims of these brutal crimes if they die. And I hope you don't ever have to tell us of you 'close encounter'.

In my opinion...you stab someone with intent to injure/maim or kill...you have BOTH hands removed with a chainsaw.

i really did think that the way i'd written it was a dead [if you'll pardon the pun] giveaway that i was trying to inject [there i go again] a note of reasonably lighthearted balance - a comparative viewpoint - into what was rapidly becoming 'another one of those threads on kb'

oh well - failed again :yawn:

[ManDownUnder]

Arm the authorities with the old shotgun cartridge propelled deer nets. Net the little bugger en masse from 20m away and do what you like with them.

[Mekk]

He didn't even see the knife.

That's it. Your body goes into shock or something before you have time to react and realise what has happened.

I don't remember realising before I saw the blood flowing over my chest.

[Bikernereid]

Young kid just got stabbed in school in the UK, fuck. So if we ban guns and knives what will they use next?

[sAsLEX]

Young kid just got stabbed in school in the UK, fuck. So if we ban guns and knives what will they use next?

Guy jsut got stabbed in NZ after confronting a tagger.


I see they have embelished the story of the guy up for murder stabbing the other tagger, he was involved in a scuffle, self defence I call he was on his own property when some youfs attacked it he went to dissuade them and got involved in a scuffle.

Why is it in NZ defending your property and family always ends up with you getting in trouble?! For all its bad points this would hardly be a problem in the states

[Bikernereid]

it would be a problem in the US. Don't you remembe the guy who got sued by a burglar who got locked in the garage and survived on dog food; he sued the home owner for illegal imprisonment!!

Get sued for having the priveldge of your own home burgled and get done for protecting your home- the whole world has gone BLODDY NUTS!!


Guy jsut got stabbed in NZ after confronting a tagger.


I see they have embelished the story of the guy up for murder stabbing the other tagger, he was involved in a scuffle, self defence I call he was on his own property when some youfs attacked it he went to dissuade them and got involved in a scuffle.

Why is it in NZ defending your property and family always ends up with you getting in trouble?! For all its bad points this would hardly be a problem in the states

[Headbanger]

it would be a problem in the US. Don't you remembe the guy who got sued by a burglar who got locked in the garage and survived on dog food; he sued the home owner for illegal imprisonment!!

Get sued for having the priveldge of your own home burgled and get done for protecting your home- the whole world has gone BLODDY NUTS!!


he was sued because he had an illegal door.

In whatever state it was in they are required by law to have a door that can be manually unlocked from inside.

Not that it makes it any less insane, Personally I think if you trap someone in your house you should get to own them.

[Virago]

Guy jsut got stabbed in NZ after confronting a tagger.


I see they have embelished the story of the guy up for murder stabbing the other tagger, he was involved in a scuffle, self defence I call he was on his own property when some youfs attacked it he went to dissuade them and got involved in a scuffle.

Why is it in NZ defending your property and family always ends up with you getting in trouble?! For all its bad points this would hardly be a problem in the states

Where on earth did you get that version of events from...?

[Bikernereid]

But would you want to own anyone that stupid? Even decent slaves have intellect!!


he was sued because he had an illegal door.

In whatever state it was in they are required by law to have a door that can be manually unlocked from inside.

Not that it makes it any less insane, Personally I think if you trap someone in your house you should get to own them.

[mstriumph]

........... So if we ban guns and knives what will they use next?

dunno
but they wouldn't let me take my knitting needles on the last flight with me in case i used them to thug up the aircrew soooooooooo

i guess the sky is the limit :msn-wink:

[Headbanger]

But would you want to own anyone that stupid? Even decent slaves have intellect!!

I was thinking along the lines of humiliation, beating, and killing them.

Perhaps we could do as the Romans did, and put on a circus, Bring is some lions, Or you could display them at School gala's, $3 a spear throw?

The list is endless.

Experiments?

How long does it take to drown?

Can a person live without their skin?

What is the persons reaction if you cut off their balls and feed them to them?

[Bikernereid]

I am always looking for subjects, are you free anytime soon?

Have you thought of joining the army and working in interrogations?


I was thinking along the lines of humiliation, beating, and killing them.

Perhaps we could do as the Romans did, and put on a circus, Bring is some lions, Or you could display them at School gala's, $3 a spear throw?

The list is endless.

Experiments?

How long does it take to drown?

Can a person live without their skin?

What is the persons reaction if you cut off their balls and feed them to them?

[Gareth123]

I have happily been taught how to fight with a knife. 9 basic attacks that I can string together to make any combination I want as long as it will flow nicely. Does this mean I carry a knife around with me? No, I don't carry one with me. But since the most common attack of a knife by someone who doesn't know how to use it (average street punk) is attacks 1 and 5 i'd back myself to stop the attack and break his leg with minimal cuts or pain to me. 4 years of Karate helps.

For someone untrained fighting against a knife the chances of dying are 75%. For 2 people untrained, both fighting with knives, 3 things generally happen.
1. One dies.
2. The other dies.
3. They both die.

Very rarely do they both walk away.

If anyone wants to learn knife fighting look up AMOK Knife fighting. The New Zealand branch is run by a guy named Ian Sadler based in Tauranga.

I know he travels to do seminars around the country. I'll do a bit more digging to see if I can find his website.

[Gareth123]

Sorry can only find their main site. The link to Ians page isn't working.

www.edgedweoponsolutions.com

[Swoop]

shot people don't die? :blink:
Correct. Not everyone who is hit by the bullet will die. Hollyweird has a lot to answer for.

Why is it in NZ defending your property and family always ends up with you getting in trouble?! For all its bad points this would hardly be a problem in the states
Luckily the Americans are getting wiser. The increased issue of a concealed carry permit, to vetted firearm owners, is aiding this downward trend in crime statistics.
The crim' has no idea if his intended victim could fight back, so is now playing a numbers game.
Luckily England and Australia are much nicer on their criminals, and allow them to attack their victims' without that risk.