Do we need an Early Cruisy Wednesday Night Ride?

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Do We Need An Early Cruisy Wednesday Night Ride?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=57104&page=48 [post 715]

Yesterday, February 13, 2008 – a date which will live in infamy BuckBuckNo1 was suddenly and deliberately seen by certain members of the Kiwibiker community as disrupting a promulgated ride.

BuckBuckNo1 was at peace with that community, and at the solicitations of various members of the KB community, was still in conversation with other members of the KB community towards the maintenance of peaceful and safe riding practice within the Wellington region. Indeed one hour after the Wednesday Night ride commenced [yesterday evening] digital downloads of the KB forum were received on a mobile phone and delivered/shown to BuckBuckNo1 being a formal reply to an earlier message [post 690] of yesterday. While these digital forum replies essentially inferred that to have any other ride on a Wednesday evening would detract from the regular 6.30pm ride, it contained no threat or hint of war or armed attack………

The people of the Kiwibiker community in Wellington have already formed their opinions and well understand the very life and safety of our riding community each Wednesday night.

As a member of the Kiwibiker community, appreciated and respected by some, and not all, BuckBuckNo1 has taken appropriate measures.

Always will be remembered the character of the onslaught against BuckBuckNo1.

No matter how long it may take to overcome this current situation, the Kiwibiker community in Wellington, in their righteous might will win through to peaceful co-existence.

With confidence – with unbounding determination of the Kiwibiker community at large,
There is room enough, on the roads, in the carparks, and at the cafes for all who enjoy the spirit of riding, no matter wherever or whenever. And if BuckBuckNo1 wants to co-ordinate a ride that will be limited to five riders on a Wednesday Night between now and end of daylight saving then, please God, may we ride safe.

There is no need for another Cruisy Wednesday Night Ride, however if four other riders [including L-Plate riders and Restricted riders] want to ride earlier with BuckBuckNo1, then those decisions can be made either ahead of time by PM or at the duckpond carpark on the night. When it is all said and done, what is 15 minutes in the scheme of things if 5 riders leave early – if by coincidence the 6.30 group elect to head to the same destination in all likelihood, arrival times would be pretty close I would assume.


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=57104&page=48 [post 715]

[Str8 Jacket]

Guy, if you want to organise a ride, then just do it. You don't need anyone's permission to so.

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I tried to put a poll up, but being in the Meeting forum, apparently did not work.

General comment and feedback appreciated.

Heads Up and Enjoy

[Trudes]

I won't be able to make your rides BB#1 (or TCWNR usually for that matter) because I work too late, however I can see where you're coming from.
I don't really like getting home from a ride on a school night at 9 or 10 pm and especially don't like riding at a) dusk or b) night with tinted visor, and it's often quite nice to get home before it gets late (L platers especially need to consider this), and when the days start to get shorter and darker earlier, the idea of starting a ride earlier in order to get home earlier is a good idea in my opinion. So I say "Go for it Guy" and anyone who wishes to join you in a smaller group situation (which again can often be better for newer riders), and arrange it, but may be start a new thread that is a regular Wednesday night thing, or maybe arrange it for another night. Just a suggestion.
I think however that what got a few people in a tiz was that the arranging of your ride last night was done in TCWNR thread (not that I personally have an issue with it, hey shit, bigger things to worry about really), but I'm thinking this is what the problem was, not that you were arranging a ride that just happened to leave a bit earlier than the usual one.
Anyway, good luck BB#1!

[Lissa]

I think that if you want to organise a ride just do it BB1. It can be on any day, not necessarily on a Wednesday or every Wednesday. Just if you want to ride, txt your friends or write a thread... no big worry.

[Kendog]

A strange post with good intent Guy.

My opinion:
1. People can organise rides leaving whenever they like, going where ever they like
2. If a ride is on at the same time as another ride, see point 3
3. People can choose to ride when and with whom they like
4. Organising a new ride should not be done in an already existing ride thread

We are all adults that can make our own choices, the roads are plenty wide enough to support multiple bikes, there are plenty of daylight hours to ride in.

Rather than asking if we need a ride, just set it up and those that choose will join you.

[skelstar]

Jebus this is a bit dramatic Buck.

[Fatjim]

:crazy::wacko:


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[koba]

I just asked (Via rep coloured red) if buckbuck had spent alot of time in the military.
I now read his profile.
Thats alot of time in the military.

I agree with Kendog, good intentions but strange and in my opinion alienating.

Most, not all, of us have as one of our reasons for riding the overwheling sense of freedom.
Doesn't happen that way with regimental organisation, with most of us that is.

Do your thing if you wan't just don't pack a sad if hoards don't follow.

Buckbuck, use the big wide vision that is so important in safe riding to see that no one has any particular problem with you as a person or rider but that you may want to lighten up.

Intended as constructive (but blunt) advice.

[Weaver]

Its not a fucken club, do what you want.

However I've noticed that TCWNR is sometimes lacking in numbers and your rides may possibly lower attendance even more.

Why don't you start BB#1 tuesday night ride. One in which people have to PM you to attend, because you'll keep the meeting place top secret and change it every time.

[Paul in NZ]

Sometimes I think when I get onto KB I get the addy wrong and end up in a different dimension? Pretty well sucks because everything else is weird and on drugs but I'm still sober, old and fat.. damn

[Blue Velvet]

I'm still sober, old and fat.. damn

Sucks to be you! :sunny:

[Str8 Jacket]

Sucks to be you! :sunny:

Hell no, Paul rocks!!

[James Deuce]

He's NOT fat!

[jrandom]

He's NOT fat!

I am.<tencharacters>

[Blue Velvet]

He's NOT fat!

Don't tell me he has girly fat issues? :confused:

[James Deuce]

I am.

Yes, but your personality makes up for it.

[James Deuce]

Don't tell me he has girly fat issues? :confused:

He's gone from being lumpen to square cut in an impressively short period of time. His self esteem hasn't caught up.

[Trudes]

But geeze, don't call him skinny, you might be meaning it in a bad way that may make him sad and bitter and hate fat people for the rest of his life and remind them constantly about a fat person saying he was skinny once .....:msn-wink:


Edit: in no way is this post referring directly to Paul (for those not up with the play)

[Blue Velvet]

Is he hawt?


...remind them constantly about a fat person saying she was skinny once

:killingme

[Hitcher]

It's always disturbing when people are reduced to obfuscatory use of the third person.

I'm not sure what the problem is. If members want to organise rides by PM or by advertising a designated rendezvous point to all comers, then they are entitled to do so. While organising rides with one's mates or whomever is a major part of Kiwi Biker's reason for being, the site's rules have no bearing on these activities, as they happen off the site.

Following its initiation by Uncle B three summers ago, TCWNR has become a biker institution in Wellington during the months of daylight saving. It has regulars who come and go, and a constant influx of newbies who may only participate for a couple of rides.

If people want to organise Wellington rides of the same type on Wednesday nights, they are entitled to do so. However, as a courtesy, these should have different rendezvous points to avoid confusion when their advocates/organisers are advertising them on this or any other site.

Nobody needs anybody else's permission to organise a ride. But a bit of courtesy and cooperation never goes amiss.

[Nasty]

Is he hawt?



:killingme

Extremely ... but I like slightly older than myself men! :sunny:

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There is no need for another Cruisy Wednesday Night Ride, however if four other riders [including L-Plate riders and Restricted riders] want to ride earlier with BuckBuckNo1, then those decisions can be made either ahead of time by PM or at the duckpond carpark on the night. When it is all said and done, what is 15 minutes in the scheme of things if 5 riders leave early – if by coincidence the 6.30 group elect to head to the same destination in all likelihood, arrival times would be pretty close I would assume.

I will continue to attend TCWNR, and if nobody wants to leave earlier, then I will join the main ride. If however, two, three or four riders approach me, either in the duckpond carpark or via PM prior and ask me if I would like to leave earlier, then a decision will be made at that time.




If people want to organise Wellington rides of the same type on Wednesday nights, they are entitled to do so. However, as a courtesy, these should have different rendezvous points to avoid confusion when their advocates/organisers are advertising them on this or any other site.

The word “should” is not in my dictionary in the context “go and ride somewhere else”


I just asked (Via rep coloured red) if buckbuck had spent alot of time in the military.
I now read his profile.
Thats alot of time in the military.

I agree with Kendog, good intentions but strange and in my opinion alienating.

Most, not all, of us have as one of our reasons for riding the overwheling sense of freedom.
Doesn't happen that way with regimental organisation, with most of us that is.

Do your thing if you wan't just don't pack a sad if hoards don't follow.

Buckbuck, use the big wide vision that is so important in safe riding to see that no one has any particular problem with you as a person or rider but that you may want to lighten up.

Intended as constructive (but blunt) advice.

Thank you for the constructive feedback koba much appreciated.

Several months ago, I spat the dummy because I unintentionally offended several people immediately following the KB Birthday evening, it would appear that I very well have done it again.

John Kirwan was told to ‘toughen up’ or perhaps HTFU, and his response was ‘find somebody else that understands and keep on asking until you do.’

Well I elected to join and choose to remain in this Kiwibiker community and in particular take onboard your comment: “use the big wide vision that is so important in safe riding to see that no one has any particular problem with you as a person or rider but that you may want to lighten up.”

There are numerous veterans in rider communities all over the world. Some may have done military service and not left their country but still step back out into the real world carrying baggage.

Well I reckon I have carried enough baggage over my lifetime it’s time to lighten up and shed some of the load. These past 10 years has been directly related to getting myself back on an even keel.

I am hoping the Kiwibiker community, can see past its own foibles, for God knows I have endeavoured to shed my own foibles for far too many years.

It must be me, the fact that I can upset so many in this ‘digital community’ without even realizing it until after the event/incident. Or then it maybe the way some people perceive my intentions.

I do not use Bruce Hannaford’s name in vein and his enduring legacy that is TCWNR, my intentions are well meaningful, and if people cannot see that and more importantly cannot accept me for who I am, then so be it. Life goes on.

Participating in the Kiwibiker community is a very very important part of my continued health and well-being. Ask yourself how someone is retired at a relative young age, and who rides their first 1000km in Stokes Valley before riding outside the valley - there is a connection there – for those that may want to get to know me. Now ask yourself why I may feel more comfortable riding in a smaller group.

I will ride on Wednesday nights at 6.30pm if not earlier, leaving the duckpond.

Heads Up and Enjoy

[Str8 Jacket]

Dear God! :thud:

You practicing for drama school or something mate?!

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Dear God! :thud:

You practicing for drama school or something mate?!

Now there's a thought.

Heads Up and Enjoy

[sels1]

BBNo1, we know you have the best of intentions -

But you have to remember that organising KBers is like herding cats...

Dont stress....Just put the jellymeat out and they will come if they want....or not!

[Weaver]

But you have to remember that organising KBers is like herding kids...

Just hang your jellymeat out and they will come

I think he'd get arrested for that

[nivram]

As a newbie I dont really care as long as the ride a safe and at a speed I can keep up with and learn, would be good to start earlier though around 6pm as being on L's time is always going to be an issue.

[koba]

I will ride on Wednesday nights at 6.30pm if not earlier, leaving the duckpond.


Sweet as :cool:


oh and do any of you think I may be getting a tad fat?

[Str8 Jacket]

oh and do any of you think I may be getting a tad fat?

Yes. You should stop drinking all the beer!

[Freakshow]

Yes. You should stop drinking all the beer!

Oh I can feel the love ousssing everywhere!!

:hug:

[Blue Velvet]

ousssing

Urm, WTF is that?

[James Deuce]

He means Oozing.

The literacy haters will no doubt be here in a moment, demanding various bits of our anatomy for a. pointing it out (naughty Blue Velvet), and b., daring to produce the correct spelling for oozing.

[Dodger]

Im confused...
again :Pokey:

[Bullitt]

I personally dont see the need for an earlier ride. If people want to go different places thats happened in the past and I have no problem with that.

By the time people finish work and battle through the traffic to lower hutt many wouldnt be able to make it much earlier anyway (I could, but in general).

Its going to start getting darker earlier and earlier, its not like 15 mins will stop people from having to ride home in the dark. And it'll get mighty confusing if it starts 10 mins earlier each week until its leaving at 3pm:niceone:

[Weaver]

Inregards to starting early, just look at the TRTNR. The meeting place changed, no biggie right? Heaps of people still ask where it meets now. The same will happen with the TCWNR. I know people who go on these rides that don't post or even read these forums. Then they'll turn up and sit in the car park going "what the fuck?"

[bull]

The more ride options the better i reckon, create your own ride thread for wednesday nights Buckbuck and those whom want to ride with you will do so.
As long as people are out riding then they will have less reason to be in these threads moaning about thread hijacks etc.

Personally if there was a later ride around 7pm then that would suit me better than both the early and TCWNR. Maybe another rider wants to put their hands up to do a later ride like this - so long as they dont get shot down for not staying with the usual flock of sheep.

[Fatjim]

I'm thinking of organising a hot chicks ride leaving the duck pond at 5:59pm sharp.

Only rules are I'm the only bloke and I get to go last.

[Ocean1]

I'm thinking of organising a hot chicks ride leaving the duck pond at 5:59pm sharp.

Only rules are I'm the only bloke and I get to go last.

And come first?

[RantyDave]

I just asked (Via rep coloured red) if buckbuck had spent alot of time in the military.
I now read his profile.
Thats alot of time in the military.
Fascinating, that answers a lot of questions I had:

* Does anyone else agree with me?
* What happens if you spend your entire working life in the military?
* I wonder if BuckBuck did it?

With "Yes", "that", and "yes" as the answers. So, without making reference to RantyDave in the third person (y'see what I did there? didya? didya?) I shall endeavour to perhaps explain.

BuckBuck - you come across as someone who likes rules, order, and who badly wants to be in charge. I don't know if you spent a life in the military being in charge, or a life in the military wanting to be in charge - in either case it would probably suit the wider community's amusement to not tell me and see if I can figure it out. Either which way - while you are without doubt a fine chap, there are those of us within our ranks for whom the very act of wanting to be in charge is ... something worth rebelling against. It ... just ... grates. Unlike leadership, which is a truly beautiful thing when done well. But, takes all sorts, right? So what does this have to do with TCWNR?

The way I see it there's a difference between "being in charge" and "being a leader". Specifically that someone in charge takes something over, and a leader builds something. This "leave from the duckpond 15 minutes earlier" shit is, for those of us who have not spent a life in the military, a way transparent takeover attempt on something which, to be frank, does not need taking over. I think there are currently problems with TCWNR (another thread it it's own right), and certainly problems with my 'relationship' to TCWNR but these are never going to be fixed by .... ahh fuck.

Look, it's like trying to get off with a girl by standing between her and her boyfriend while they're having a quiet drink. It might, on paper, seem like a good idea but all it really does is make you look like a dick.

Unfortunately I find myself reduced to a mere analogy to make my point, but it is my point. As many others have posted you are welcome to set up rides and use this fine resource to promote them. You may choose, for instance, to resurrect "BuckBuck's Bunch for Brunch" although I would suggest losing the "BuckBuck's" moniker since it alerts potential attendees to the underlying motivations behind the ride - namely the burning desire to be in charge.

I appreciate and encourage your efforts to aid the newbies. And, indeed, it may yet become the case that you slowly and quietly become even more of a central figure in the microcosm of our society which is TCWNR - perhaps even leading to something which may be described as leadership. However, I suggest that this would come to pass as a result of your understanding and embracing of the community in which you find yourself, and not merely attempting to nick off with it.

Dave

[koba]

Wow Dave.

I'm all outa rep but you got some in the post.

Buckbuck you have some green on the way too, good shit for taking comments constructivley. Comments that could have easily been misunderstood.

TCWNR is good shit, long may it continue! :headbang:

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I appreciate and encourage your efforts to aid the newbies. And, indeed, it may yet become the case that you slowly and quietly become even more of a central figure in the microcosm of our society which is TCWNR - perhaps even leading to something which may be described as leadership. However, I suggest that this would come to pass as a result of your understanding and embracing of the community in which you find yourself, and not merely attempting to nick off with it.
Dave

Seriously Dave, your comments are appreciated.

Who or what type of leader I was is immaterial to this forum, but most importantly, what is important is that I learn from my experiences outside the service. And hopefully new riders and older riders get an insight too.

The bottom line for me is how comfortable do I feel riding on a Wednesday night and how some others may feel also.

If I have pressed some of the wrong buttons so be it - and there is no attempt 'to nick off with it.'

Made for good reading your views, once again, thank you.

Heads Up and Enjoy

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The more ride options the better i reckon, create your own ride thread for wednesday nights Buckbuck and those whom want to ride with you will do so.
As long as people are out riding then they will have less reason to be in these threads moaning about thread hijacks etc.

Personally if there was a later ride around 7pm then that would suit me better than both the early and TCWNR. Maybe another rider wants to put their hands up to do a later ride like this - so long as they dont get shot down for not staying with the usual flock of sheep.

Appreciate your comments Danny, the 7pm ride next spring/daylight saving.
In the meantime Rapa rides on a Sunday through winter are on the horizon.

Heads Up and Enjoy

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Wow Dave.

I'm all outa rep but you got some in the post.

Buckbuck you have some green on the way too, good shit for taking comments constructivley. Comments that could have easily been misunderstood.

TCWNR is good shit, long may it continue! :headbang:

Providing good comes out of this then the pain is worthwhile.

Heads Up and Enjoy

[DingoZ]

It's all about the riding isn't it...?
It's all about the comraderie isn't it...?
It's all about the freedom and individuality isn't it...?
It's all about talking bike's isn't it..?

It's all about the whole experience..!!!

[James Deuce]

God, I love riding by myself.

[Kendog]

Just curious, why are you not suggesting a different night?

[Freakshow]

WE could always meet at 5:35 pm and leave at 5:35 pm With all that extra light and NO chit chat we could put down some serious kays. Pahiatua and back!


And oussing sounded right to me!! you all worked it out anyway!!

[Weaver]

God, I love riding by myself.

Was that you on the Katana in Featherston last night all by yourself. Didn't even wave :(

[James Deuce]

Yes. I was riding on a road thing with vehicle things around, a rail crossing up ahead, and an SUV pilot on a cellphone in front of me.

Waving is overrated.

[skelstar]

I'm going to come along on the next Wed night ride. I'm not going to say anything to anyone but get on my bike at 6:20pm, rev the motor suggestively and leave. Can't wait to see the hordes of retards scrambling for their bikes thinking its all on, and the ride owners getting all hot under their collars because someone is taking over their ride.

[skelstar]

Was that you on the Katana in Featherston last night all by yourself. Didn't even wave :(
He must HATE you Alan. Burn him :mellow:

[Lissa]

Who you calling a retard??

[Freakshow]

I'm going to come along on the next Wed night ride. I'm not going to say anything to anyone but get on my bike at 6:20pm, rev the motor suggestively and leave. Can't wait to see the hordes of retards scrambling for their bikes thinking its all on, and the ride owners getting all hot under their collars because someone is taking over their ride.

Sounds good to me but let me know which way you go so I can go the other way!!! And Sel1 on the tiger could go the other way across the park :chase:

[Trudes]

I'm going to come along on the next Wed night ride. I'm not going to say anything to anyone but get on my bike at 6:20pm, rev the motor suggestively and leave. Can't wait to see the hordes of retards scrambling for their bikes thinking its all on, and the ride owners getting all hot under their collars because someone is taking over their ride.

:laugh: that's funny, might have to come along to watch that..... and sit about til 6:40 and then go home and see if the tail end charlie follows me.

[Dodger]

Maybe I should turn up on my 50cc :baby:

We could have time trials around the carpark on it :)

[skelstar]

Who you calling a retard??
Def not you sweetie, but its been suggested that people are stupid enough to be left behind if unless all rides leave on the dot. Not my theory.



disclaimer: I don't think anyone on the TWCNRWCR is retarded.

[Freakshow]

I'm going to come along on the next Wed night ride. I'm not going to say anything to anyone but get on my bike at 6:20pm, rev the motor suggestively and leave.

To top it off Skel turn up wearing a white Stig helmet tinted visor down!!!

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I'm going to come along on the next Wed night ride. I'm not going to say anything to anyone but get on my bike at 6:20pm, rev the motor suggestively and leave. Can't wait to see the hordes of retards scrambling for their bikes thinking its all on, and the ride owners getting all hot under their collars because someone is taking over their ride.

You know I may just join you, and then I may just ride out of Dodge to the twin bridges and back for the heck of it.:woohoo:

Lighten up they said so wt....enjoy yourself.

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Just curious, why are you not suggesting a different night?

Diary is full - golf Tuesdays and Thursdays. More idiots on the road Friday evenings. Monday, probably cleaning the bike and shhhhh, a man has got to do what a man has got to do.

Heads Up and Enjoy

[Lissa]

:laugh: that's funny, might have to come along to watch that..... and sit about til 6:40 and then go home and see if the tail end charlie follows me.

I remember not toooooo long ago *enter the mist* when I was on a ride that was suppose to be the Rapa Ride that turned into the 'Sels bbq' ride, a few of us had chosen to follow Trudes, who in turn thought she was following some cute male 'kb' arses.... shit it was funny when we turned up at the petrol station, elle told these guys off for taking us the long way, only to find out they werent on our ride. ahhhh the good old days. :rolleyes: Moral of the story is... I dont really have one (Trudes we need to go for a ride sometime and drag #1 and elle along with us)... its a secret.. dont tell anyone. The old buggers who read this thread cant read small print... poor eyesight and all that!

[Number One]

(Trudes we need to go for a ride sometime and drag #1 and elle along with us)... its a secret.. dont tell anyone. The old buggers who read this thread cant read small print... poor eyesight and all that!

mmmhmmm. I am going riding on Sunday....not sure where to go though....need a nana route.:innocent:

[Trudes]

I remember not toooooo long ago *enter the mist* when I was on a ride that was suppose to be the Rapa Ride that turned into the 'Sels bbq' ride, a few of us had chosen to follow Trudes, who in turn thought she was following some cute male 'kb' arses.... shit it was funny when we turned up at the petrol station, elle told these guys off for taking us the long way, only to find out they werent on our ride. ahhhh the good old days. :rolleyes: Moral of the story is... I dont really have one (Trudes we need to go for a ride sometime and drag #1 and elle along with us)... its a secret.. dont tell anyone. The old buggers who read this thread cant read small print... poor eyesight and all that!

Moral of story, Trudes gets lost a lot, people who don't know any better follow, Trudes goes home and says to the bikers that turn up at her place "What the hell are you guys doing here?"
In small print so the old blind buggers can't read it... sounds good doll, just don't call it a chick's ride, because that's not allowed.

[sels1]

disclaimer: I don't think anyone on the TWCNRWCR is retarded.

Except for that bloke who used to turn up on a red Hyosung....oh...wait a minute.....:)


Build a bridge people....

[Str8 Jacket]

Build a bridge people....

IM so bored that I could build many. My opinion doesnt really count anyway, its not like I even have a bike at the mo! :(

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Wellington - Wednesday Night Smaller Group Ride WNSGR

Calendar Event: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=1575&day=2008-2-20&

Heads Up and Enjoy

[Smoggy]

Exactly - only 303 shopping days to Christmas :)

[merv]

Sweet as :cool:


oh and do any of you think I may be getting a tad fat?

Hope not, you don't want to lose the sprint record to some slim guy or gal.

[merv]

I remember not toooooo long ago *enter the mist* when I was on a ride that was suppose to be the Rapa Ride that turned into the 'Sels bbq' ride, a few of us had chosen to follow Trudes, who in turn thought she was following some cute male 'kb' arses.... shit it was funny when we turned up at the petrol station, elle told these guys off for taking us the long way, only to find out they werent on our ride. ahhhh the good old days. :rolleyes: Moral of the story is... I dont really have one (Trudes we need to go for a ride sometime and drag #1 and elle along with us)... its a secret.. dont tell anyone. The old buggers who read this thread cant read small print... poor eyesight and all that!

Nah moral of the story was Trudes like following cute arses.

[Trudes]

Tis true Merv, you found out my dirty little secret obsession!

[Str8 Jacket]

Tis true Merv, you found out my dirty little secret obsession!

Ha! Twas no secret Trudes!

[koba]

Hope not, you don't want to lose the sprint record to some slim guy or gal.

I hear rumours of a 53kg ring in.... :sweatdrop

[ceebie13]

I have the answer...

Lets create an earlier ride for novice riders or those (like me) who aren't at work.

We'll call it the Wednesday Afternoon No Kneedown Excursion Ride

or the weekly WANKER for short! :shutup::tugger:

[Str8 Jacket]

or the weekly WANKER for short! :shutup::tugger:

That ride is on Thursday nights.....

[Deano]

God, I love riding by myself.

God, I love TRTNR.

[Str8 Jacket]

Wish I just had a bike that I could love.

[nivram]

Yes!! 6:00pm would be good.

[craneman]

hey Paul your right its like walking into a party at midnight

[craneman]

did that go to the right place

[James Deuce]

Define the "right place".

[craneman]

no mate still finding my way around and im disadvantaged ie; not of the I-Tgeneration

[James Deuce]

Home is where the heart is!