Gangs running drugs?

[Anubis]

Got stopped this morning in West Auckland whilst riding behind traffic at about 35kph. :eek5:
Silver mufty cager flashed his puppies at me and pulled me over.

After removing my helmet and looking at him puzzled he stated the following:

"We have a standing order to stop all bikes at the moment. We have had some trouble with pursuits. Gang's are using motorcycles to traffic drugs, as they know that can out run us on a bike".

Wasn't sure what to say about that to be honest.

Have to say the guy was quite pleasant and opened up the conversation with "whats that a SV1000? i used to own a TL1000" - all said with a happy smile on his face.

He certainly wasn't lookin to fill a quota as he could have nailed me for not having my rego displayed (i had removed it last night in order to reposition it on the bike, unfortunately an over-tightened screw prevented me from re-attaching it).

Anyhow, after telling me his radio was broken so he couldn't run a check on my drivers licence he let me go.:bash:

Just thought I'd put this out there - it's quite possible there is a "crackdown" in place and thought that auckland riders may want to be aware and "take it easy" for the next couple of weeks.

:rockon:

[Ragingrob]

Hmmm maybe I ought to chuck my L plate on just in case I come across a bad egg then :(

[fireball]

drug runners eh? look out killa beez they gonna get cha:lol:

[Swoop]

Stopping all bikes at the moment?

Hmm. Rather indiscriminate and marginally illegal I would guess. Proper suspicion and all that...

[Soul.Trader]

Stopping all bikes at the moment?

Hmm. Rather indiscriminate and marginally illegal I would guess. Proper suspicion and all that...

Erm, there's nothing illegal at putting your focus onto a certain group. They do it to boy racers, amoung others. I'm personally happy for them to pull over bikers indiscriminantly (better than discriminantly, right) in order to try to nail drug dealers.

[Ixion]

So, on that basis , an even better idea would be to stop all vehicles driven by black people ? Right? Just putting their focus on a certain group, after all.

And what I wonder do they intend to DO once they have stopped a bike? They can't search it (no reasonable suspicion of drugs, it's a random motorcycle). The rider is hardly going to admit he's carrying anything illegal.

The argument is nonsense also. "We are stopping all motorcycles, because we have a problem with motorcycles not stopping and getting away from us". Is it not obvious, that if motorcycles can indeed outrun the Man, then if they try to stop on who IS carrying drugs, he will simply speed off, and by their own statement they can't catch him.

And I doubt this was a STU or HP vehicle, or even a proper copper cop, probably a defective. So he could hardly stop very many , try as he might. And the chances of him actually stopping a carrier , out of those few on a random basis, would be a number closely approximateing zero.

[Soul.Trader]

What is your problem with him pulling over motorcyclists? He's obviously not handing out tickets, he's just trying to do some good old fashioned police work. It seems trying to work as a cop is a damned-if-you-do type situation.

[jrandom]

*several well-conceived points*

Personally, I would imagine that the copper in question suspected Mr Anubis of being someone other than he was, presumably someone known to be of less than law-abiding character, and was intent on a quick catch-up.

Upon helmet removal and confirmation that his suspicion was unfounded, he trotted out a soothing "we're looking after y'all here" story to sooth the mind of the prole before departure and allay any potential annoyance at being singled out for attention.

Occasional such incidents are an unavoidable result of a proactive policing mandate. I would have no quarrel with an officer who pulled me over for a similar reason.

[Quasievil]

Oh Fuck it, this drug running business is getting harder by the day:no:

[Finn]

Oh Fuck it, this drug running business is getting harder by the day:no:

Perhaps a softer seat?

[mxracer_nz]

Got stopped this morning in West Auckland whilst riding behind traffic at about 35kph. :eek5:
Silver mufty cager flashed his puppies at me and pulled me over.

After removing my helmet and looking at him puzzled he stated the following:

"We have a standing order to stop all bikes at the moment. We have had some trouble with pursuits. Gang's are using motorcycles to traffic drugs, as they know that can out run us on a bike".

Wasn't sure what to say about that to be honest.

Have to say the guy was quite pleasant and opened up the conversation with "whats that a SV1000? i used to own a TL1000" - all said with a happy smile on his face.

He certainly wasn't lookin to fill a quota as he could have nailed me for not having my rego displayed (i had removed it last night in order to reposition it on the bike, unfortunately an over-tightened screw prevented me from re-attaching it).

Anyhow, after telling me his radio was broken so he couldn't run a check on my drivers licence he let me go.:bash:

Just thought I'd put this out there - it's quite possible there is a "crackdown" in place and thought that auckland riders may want to be aware and "take it easy" for the next couple of weeks.

:rockon:when you say your rego wasnt displayed you mean your number plate or the little plasticky rego thing with plate number expiry date etc? does the that little bit and the wof have to be displayed? i usually just keep both of them in ma wallet

[avgas]

So, on that basis , an even better idea would be to stop all vehicles driven by black people ? Right? Just putting their focus on a certain group, after all.
Hell yes - that car is probably stolen or carrying drugs

[Quasievil]

Perhaps a softer seat?

Any chance I can rent your Arse cavity mate, my products should be tight and secure up there im thinking

[Usarka]

some drugs are being transported by car. Stop ALL cars!

(you'll never catch my submarine you bastards!)

[Finn]

Any chance I can rent your Arse cavity mate, my products should be tight and secure up there im thinking

Sorry, the IRD has exclusive access.

[Quasievil]

Sorry, the IRD has exclusive access.


BWAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

mine and all

[TOTO]

I was following a marked copper on the bridge then passed him and he was driving behind me - didnt get pulled over.

So they may be pulling over all bikes in west area - lots of dangerous elements in that area my friend once said :)

Anyhow thanks for the heads up, will start taking it easy :)

[99TLS]

Oh Fuck it, this drug running business is getting harder by the day:no:

used to do it all the time , many times i have had a pound or 2 on my bike so its not a new thing at all

[MIXONE]

There was a certain Waikato gang that used to do this between Hamilton and Auckland back in the late 80s on a couple of big jap bikes until one of them got taken out by a car and trailer.Did I shed a tear over the death of a fellow biker?Actually no I couldn't give a shit cause they were a bunch of trouble making wankers.

[ManDownUnder]

The cops are welcome to stop me every 1/2 hour if it gets that shit off the streets.

[jrandom]

many times i have had a pound or 2 on my bike...

There's about 210 on my bike today.

I blame the Racing Pies (tm).

[The Pastor]

This thread makes no sence at all.

Don't gangs ride cruisers? How the hell do the cops use the excuse "can't catch them" They ride underpowerd overweight chromed turds.

Bet he was just wanting to waste time not catching real crooks.

Also GANGS RUNNING DRUGS?? GET OUT OF HERE, WHAT WILL THEY THINK OF NEXT? DRUNKEN FIGHTS AND STABBINGS? MAYBE THEY WILL GET GUNS NOW.

[Anubis]

when you say your rego wasnt displayed you mean your number plate or the little plasticky rego thing with plate number expiry date etc? does the that little bit and the wof have to be displayed? i usually just keep both of them in ma wallet

to use the correct term "my vehicle road usage license" (the little blue thingy with an expiry date on it).

according to the LTSA website "You must display this label on the left-hand side of your motor vehicle's windscreen, or near your number plate (for trailers or motorcycles)."

[Maha]

Never heard such a load of crap.....ever!....:devil2:

[Anubis]

This thread makes no sence at all.

Don't gangs ride cruisers? How the hell do the cops use the excuse "can't catch them" They ride underpowerd overweight chromed turds.

Bet he was just wanting to waste time not catching real crooks.

Also GANGS RUNNING DRUGS?? GET OUT OF HERE, WHAT WILL THEY THINK OF NEXT? DRUNKEN FIGHTS AND STABBINGS? MAYBE THEY WILL GET GUNS NOW.

Hey you can take it how you like, I was just stating the facts. Personally i think he was looking for someone else on a "blue motorcycle" and the "we're stopping everybody" excuse was just a weak placate. But there's no harm in taking the cautious approach.

P.S someone else mentioned it being a defective - it was an officer - actually there were 3 of them in the car.

[avgas]

kinda funny that a gang member would ride something that is bound to be pulled over by cops. Considerin ya can hide drugs everywhere.
Once i was a youth who snuck into town with a suitcase fulla piss. Took the bus and everything. You could prob sneak 50kgs of the stuff in a one of em ol 70's style cases. $5 for that from the sallies and $5 for the bus.
But no, lets ride something the cops are bound to pull over.

[ManDownUnder]

This thread makes no sence at all.

Don't gangs ride cruisers? How the hell do the cops use the excuse "can't catch them" They ride underpowerd overweight chromed turds.

You forgot expensive overweight etc etc etc. And they need to get all that money from somewhere. I might be wrong but I don't think they're all Merchant Bankers - are they? Runnign drugs *might* be part of their income...

So to spend $3,000 on a quick Jappa is nothing... lo - it doesn't even look like a gang bike... so a fast disguise - and CHEAP.

[007XX]

There's about 210 on my bike today.

I blame the Racing Pies (tm).

........................

[SixPackBack]

My bullshit detector is on full alert.:Police:

[avgas]

My bullshit detector is on full alert.:Police:
Standing in a paddock right now?

[Finn]

There's about 210 on my bike today.

Ahem... Dry weight maybe. :innocent:

[jrandom]

Ahem... Dry weight maybe.

Do I look wet to you?

[Finn]

Do I look wet to you?

Is there a window in your sump?

[SixPackBack]

Standing in a paddock right now?

Either the original poster or the cop is chocka block full of it.

[jrandom]

Is there a window in your sump?

I think you're supposed to use the dipstick.

[jrandom]

Either the original poster or the cop is chocka block full of it.

The cop, I reckon.

Like I said.

[Subike]

So, on that basis , an even better idea would be to stop all vehicles driven by black people ? Right? Just putting their focus on a certain group, after all.

And what I wonder do they intend to DO once they have stopped a bike? They can't search it (no reasonable suspicion of drugs, it's a random motorcycle). The rider is hardly going to admit he's carrying anything illegal.

The argument is nonsense also. "We are stopping all motorcycles, because we have a problem with motorcycles not stopping and getting away from us". Is it not obvious, that if motorcycles can indeed outrun the Man, then if they try to stop on who IS carrying drugs, he will simply speed off, and by their own statement they can't catch him.

And I doubt this was a STU or HP vehicle, or even a proper copper cop, probably a defective. So he could hardly stop very many , try as he might. And the chances of him actually stopping a carrier , out of those few on a random basis, would be a number closely approximateing zero.



Well if I was a cop, with a radio, ( he did admit his was not working B S )
And I was on a ""catch the drug trafficing biker" assignment
I would have at least two other cages parked ahead of me by say 2 k's, so that when I found said " drug trafficing Gang member on a bike"
Who promptly speed off into the distance, laughing at my feeble attempts of persuit,
A simple radio call to my "buddies" 2k up the track, out with the road spikes,
Down goes the egotistical Gang Biker, drugs and all. One collar thank you very much!
Simple really.
So dont think the cops are that stupid, if a dumb fuck like me can think of a senario that would catch said drug runner, bassed on the info of this thread.
Im sure Helens Finest are more edumacated than me

On the other side of the coin,
In the late 80's I knew of several riders that did the Christchurch West Coast ride late at night, very quickly, carried up to a kilo of Bush Weed each run.
Triumph Daytona's were the rides,
The new ones, not the old 60's bangers, when they were first new. Fact

[Ixion]

Personally, I would imagine that the copper in question suspected Mr Anubis of being someone other than he was, presumably someone known to be of less than law-abiding character, and was intent on a quick catch-up.

Upon helmet removal and confirmation that his suspicion was unfounded, he trotted out a soothing "we're looking after y'all here" story to sooth the mind of the prole before departure and allay any potential annoyance at being singled out for attention.

Occasional such incidents are an unavoidable result of a proactive policing mandate. I would have no quarrel with an officer who pulled me over for a similar reason.

Quite so. And I would have no gripe with an officer who stopped me and then told me something along the lines of "Oh, sorry, Sir. We've been looking for a chap riding a motorcycle, description rather like yours. Thought you might have been him, hard to tell what with the helmet and all , but I see you are not he. Apologies ". (passing over the fact that NOBODY looks like me)

But it is a bit different to say "Well, we are stopping all bikers because we reckon that there's a good chance that we'll find that a random biker is running drugs". As someone said, would they use the same logic to stop all cars?

[jrandom]

In the late 80's I knew of several riders that did the Christchurch West Coast ride late at night, very quickly, carried up to a kilo of Bush Weed each run...

The rufty tufty biker carrying a large stash of weed at high speed through the midnight countryside is a bit of a modern romantic pop-culture antihero, really, wouldn't you say?

:love:

[Ixion]

Well if I was a cop, with a radio, ( he did admit his was not working B S )
And I was on a ""catch the drug trafficing biker" assignment
I would have at least two other cages parked ahead of me by say 2 k's, so that when I found said " drug trafficing Gang member on a bike"
Who promptly speed off into the distance, laughing at my feeble attempts of persuit,
A simple radio call to my "buddies" 2k up the track, out with the road spikes,
Down goes the egotistical Gang Biker, drugs and all. One collar thank you very much!
Simple really.
So dont think the cops are that stupid, if a dumb fuck like me can think of a senario that would catch said drug runner, bassed on the info of this thread.
Im sure Helens Finest are more edumacated than me

On the other side of the coin,
In the late 80's I knew of several riders that did the Christchurch West Coast ride late at night, very quickly, carried up to a kilo of Bush Weed each run.
Triumph Daytona's were the rides,
The new ones, not the old 60's bangers, when they were first new. Fact

Given that the OPs situation concerned a stop in traffic, not a road block, your scenario would require the cop to have a crystal ball to know that he was going to pull over a bike in a specific location. And a very great deal of rearranging of buddies and spikes throughout the day (incidentally, theya re not permitted to use spikes to stop motorcycles).

A road block type scenario might have greater legitimacy. "Sorry to stop you, Sir, but we have information that someone on a motorcycle is going to be running a consignment of drugs along this road, this morning. We don't have any more details, so we're stopping all bikes. I see you are not the man we want, apologies for the delay". Fair enough . I think. Probably. But that wasn't the picture painted. The picture there was : Cop sees a bike in traffic. "Hey look, a motorbike. Bet you anything he's carrying drugs, I'll stop him". The implicit assumption , motorcyclist=drug dealer IS objectionable. And I would object if stopped on that basis.

[Ixion]

The rufty tufty biker carrying a large stash of weed at high speed through the midnight countryside is a bit of a modern romantic pop-culture antihero, really, wouldn't you say?

:love:

If one were going to carry a stash of illegal drugs from A to B, common sense would indicate that one would NOT do so at high speed! What fool would thus risk drawing needless attention to himself.

[jrandom]

What fool would thus risk drawing needless attention to himself.

I did say 'modern romantic pop-culture antihero', not 'sensible mitigator of risks'...

[Subike]

The rufty tufty biker carrying a large stash of weed at high speed through the midnight countryside is a bit of a modern romantic pop-culture antihero, really, wouldn't you say?

:love:

no
Fact pure and simple.

[MIXONE]

If one were going to carry a stash of illegal drugs from A to B, common sense would indicate that one would NOT do so at high speed! What fool would thus risk drawing needless attention to himself.

A white toyota corolla at 100 clicks and nobody would notice you:innocent::sweatdrop

[Anubis]

Well I see this has been moved to rants and raves so obviously noone particularly sees my experience this morning as a legitimate concern.
I admit the reason for the stoppage is probably complete BS - but i was doing nothing that warranted being stopped so still felt there may be a legitimate crackdown on checking licenses/rego/warrants for bikes and felt I should share/warn people.

Should i not bother in the future?

[SixPackBack]

no
Fact pure and simple.

Care to elaborate Subike?

[El Dopa]

Any chance I can rent your Arse cavity mate, my products should be tight and secure up there im thinking

Finn can fit a set of Quasi leathers up his arse?

[Motu]

You lot were obviously not riding in the '70's,and of questionable appearance - being stopped and questioned by the Police was a daily occurrence.I remember heading north one year the day after a gang killing,man were we hounded by the cops! Also at one stage in the '70's I was always being pulled up by the cops and given a hard time - a few months later someone with the same name as me went up on a major drug charge.I was kinda flattered by all the attention....shit I musta been a real bad bastard eh? But these days you have to complain.

[Subike]

Care to elaborate Subike?

nope
that would entail nameing persons, places, and give any reader information that could lead to other things happening.

Such That I do know that runs were made for that reason in the 80'S

no more than that needs to be said

[DMNTD]

A white toyota corolla at 100 clicks and nobody would notice you:innocent::sweatdrop

As long as it's stock standard plus has a "Drive to Survive" sticker,bang on ;)

[Subike]

You lot were obviously not riding in the '70's,and of questionable appearance - being stopped and questioned by the Police was a daily occurrence.I remember heading north one year the day after a gang killing,man were we hounded by the cops! Also at one stage in the '70's I was always being pulled up by the cops and given a hard time - a few months later someone with the same name as me went up on a major drug charge.I was kinda flattered by all the attention....shit I musta been a real bad bastard eh? But these days you have to complain.


The shadow patrols were also common back then. They were also dumb
Agree that the 70 - 80's police were more agressive towards groups of bikers , any bikers, than they are today. It is relitivly calm out there now as far as attitude goes

[Ixion]

Yeah, but back then I was a callow youff, brought up to fear and respect both the law and my elders. So I questioned them not.

Now, I am elderly and respectable , a lawabiding pillar of the community, 'n if any pimply faced young oick in uniform is gonna take liberties, he better have read his rule book carefully. And he better call me "Sir", too. And if I was sure what a forelock was , I'd expect him to be pulling it into the bargain.

Beside , back then they wore them helmets , which gave great mana. And blue serge. Now they just look like security guards.

[Motu]

Yeah,we may have taken a surly pose...like,you don't scare me copper.But really we were shitting ourselves - it was like being sent out into the corridor for a canning.Fear of authority....the missing link.

[T.W.R]

Yeah,we may have taken a surly pose...like,you don't scare me copper.But really we were shitting ourselves - it was like being sent out into the corridor for a canning.Fear of authority....the missing link.

Some weren't scared of authority though :no:

Around 1970ish my old man & one of his colleagues (Christchurch City Council Traffic Officers) were on patrol out at New Brighton and engaged in a confrontation with a bunch of Epitaph Riders and arrested a couple. A few weeks later when they (old man & mate) were coming off swing-shift(2am finish) and back at central were taken too by a bunch of Epitaphs who'd broken into the building and got a fairly good hammering:bash:

As for gangs couriering drugs it isn't anything new by a long shot and what Subike has mentioned about local gang exploits in the late 80s is valid and a particular bike & gang member were well known in other motorcycling circles and also did time for his exploits, though most of the runners slipped underneath the radar.

[SixPackBack]

'Course if drugs became legal [or decriminalised], drug running would be a thing of the past. Dopey coppers would then need a REAL story to feed their clients.

[avgas]

'Course if drugs became legal [or decriminalised], drug running would be a thing of the past. Dopey coppers would then need a REAL story to feed their clients.
Not really - you and I, we look like rapist.
Chicks - they look like they know a rapist.
There goes the country under a whole new curtain

[Grahameeboy]

Quite so. And I would have no gripe with an officer who stopped me and then told me something along the lines of "Oh, sorry, Sir. We've been looking for a chap riding a motorcycle, description rather like yours. Thought you might have been him, hard to tell what with the helmet and all , but I see you are not he. Apologies ". (passing over the fact that NOBODY looks like me)

But it is a bit different to say "Well, we are stopping all bikers because we reckon that there's a good chance that we'll find that a random biker is running drugs". As someone said, would they use the same logic to stop all cars?

Sounds like you need some drugs to chill about this...

[Grahameeboy]

Yeah, but back then I was a callow youff, brought up to fear and respect both the law and my elders. So I questioned them not.

Now, I am elderly and respectable , a lawabiding pillar of the community, 'n if any pimply faced young oick in uniform is gonna take liberties, he better have read his rule book carefully. And he better call me "Sir", too. And if I was sure what a forelock was , I'd expect him to be pulling it into the bargain.

Beside , back then they wore them helmets , which gave great mana. And blue serge. Now they just look like security guards.

I hope you have enough polyfilla to fill those chips matey...

[Mikkel]

Stopping all bikes at the moment?

Hmm. Rather indiscriminate and marginally illegal I would guess. Proper suspicion and all that...

Well, the police actually don't need an excuse to pull you over. They don't have to be pleasant or engage in idle chit chat.

[Guitana]

Finn can fit a set of Quasi leathers up his arse?

Where does he store his helmet then??????

[Japtwin]

What is your problem with him pulling over motorcyclists? He's obviously not handing out tickets, he's just trying to do some good old fashioned police work. It seems trying to work as a cop is a damned-if-you-do type situation.
well Soultrader reread Ixions post. What is the point apart from inconveniencing innocent bikers?? As stated the runners will do just that, run. Old fashioned police work my arse this sounds like lazy random drift net fishing.

[avgas]

well Soultrader reread Ixions post. What is the point apart from inconveniencing innocent bikers?? As stated the runners will do just that, run. Old fashioned police work my arse this sounds like lazy random drift net fishing.
Call me old fashioned but its a whole lot easier to see a rabbit if you scare it enough to move. And its a whole easier to see a runner, if you make him run.
The only runners i have done are when the cops genuinely wanted to pull me over. They may have only wanted to chat, but i was damned at that point in time to find out.
Fortunately i treasure my life a bit better now.

[El Dopa]

Where does he store his helmet then??????

Dunno. On his 'other' head?